All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

Z.

"Zoinks" wrote in message
...
All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

Z.

unless you live on a cliff top you are not going to have enough wind to get
even a tenth of a kilowatt.

The message
from Zoinks contains these words:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

You'd have to be amazingly gullible to expect item 2 to happen. Unless
you live on a beach.

--
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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

"Zoinks" wrote in message
...
All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.


Great, one of the first of many ill-conceived green band wagon commercial
money spinners, preying on those with less than adequate IQs. Net effect:
further degradation of the aesthetics of our island and bugger all
contribution to our carbon foot print. So long as it makes a buck and
alleviates the guilt of your average 4x4 driver then that's okay then...

--
Mike W

On 2006-11-04 14:21:22 +0000, Zoinks said:

All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

Z.

Yes. Take a look through the archives for this group and you will
discover that this subject was done to death about 2 weeks ago, with
the conclusion that you would be better off spending the £1500 on
Lottery tickets.

Alternatively you can send it to me via Paypal where I promise that it
will be put to better use than B&Q could make of it. Your return on
investment would be the same in both cases.

"Andy Hall" wrote in message
...
On 2006-11-04 14:21:22 +0000, Zoinks said:

All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

Z.

Yes. Take a look through the archives for this group and you will
discover that this subject was done to death about 2 weeks ago, with the
conclusion that you would be better off spending the £1500 on Lottery
tickets.

Alternatively you can send it to me via Paypal where I promise that it
will be put to better use than B&Q could make of it. Your return on
investment would be the same in both cases.


Does he need to send you regular cheques for maintenance costs too?

"mrcheerful ." wrote in message
.uk...

"Zoinks" wrote in message
...
All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

Z.

unless you live on a cliff top you are not going to have enough wind to
get even a tenth of a kilowatt.

Or Norfolk ...

Mary

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:21:22 +0000, Zoinks
wrote:

All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

This topic has been done to death earlier.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW

It will in winds that we get for about 5 days a year. It will generate
about enough to make a torch bulb occasionally glow in usual
circumstances. Work out what 12 meters a second is. And it does not
decrease in a linear manner so 6 meters a second is not 0.5Kw, but
just a few watts.


2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill

This claim is patently fraudulent.

3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.

Very doubtful and will probably cost £200 to get, if they allow it.

4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

The thing has a stated life of about 10 years. It will generate about
£60 a year if it's unusually windy.

Any thoughts?

Z.

As above

"Zoinks" wrote in message
...
All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

6) How to cope with neighbours complaining about the noise?
Don

On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:21:22 UTC, Zoinks
wrote:

Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

You're quite a few days behind us...

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW

Economy with the truth, unless you live on an exposed hill/island it
will be a fraction of that.

2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill

Do the arithmetic.

3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.

But it might shake the house a bit.

4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.

I'd like to see that in writing.

5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

I think it has a projected life of 10 years.
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visionset wrote:

Great, one of the first of many ill-conceived green band wagon commercial
money spinners, preying on those with less than adequate IQs. Net effect:
further degradation of the aesthetics of our island and bugger all
contribution to our carbon foot print. So long as it makes a buck and
alleviates the guilt of your average 4x4 driver then that's okay then...

Better that the more poluting Prius owners install them, they're more
likely to be the target anyway...
http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/

"EricP" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:21:22 +0000, Zoinks
wrote:

The thing has a stated life of about 10 years. It will generate about
£60 a year if it's unusually windy.


The bumpf also says (from memory) and not my emphasis...

* STATED LIFE IS NOT GUARANTEED LIFE.

draw your own conclusions about the effect on return.

Jim A

Zoinks wrote:

All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have
started doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

Erm I think we did this a couple of weeks back!

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW

Indeed it might - but fat chance of it doing so in the vast majority of
urban environments.

2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill

Translated it will save less than 31% - no risk in that statement then.

3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.

Not if you stick it on top of a 30m tall tower, which is probably what
would be required to get anywhere near to the claims in 1)

4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.

Aha! and there we have the whole reason for its existance!

5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Yeah, right.

Any thoughts?


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John.

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"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:21:22 UTC, Zoinks
wrote:

Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

You're quite a few days behind us...

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW

Economy with the truth, unless you live on an exposed hill/island it
will be a fraction of that.

No - UP TO ...


3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.

It's not here.

But it might shake the house a bit.

You don't have to have it on the house.

4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.

I'd like to see that in writing.

I think that's something to do with Blue Skies grants. I think they're being
discontinued ... but are very restrictive.

5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

I think it has a projected life of 10 years.

I suspect there's a bit in small print about terms and conditions applying
....

What, me? Sceptical?

Yes.

Mary

On 2006-11-04 15:41:22 +0000, "dennis@home"
said:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message ...
On 2006-11-04 14:21:22 +0000, Zoinks said:

All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

Z.

Yes. Take a look through the archives for this group and you will
discover that this subject was done to death about 2 weeks ago, with
the conclusion that you would be better off spending the £1500 on
Lottery tickets.

Alternatively you can send it to me via Paypal where I promise that it
will be put to better use than B&Q could make of it. Your return on
investment would be the same in both cases.


Does he need to send you regular cheques for maintenance costs too?

Oh no. BACS would be fine. I hate dealing with paper cheques -
waste of time.

Maintenance business on this kind of product would be a nice earner
because there's no way to tell if it's working or not.

On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:50:29 UTC, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:21:22 UTC, Zoinks
wrote:

Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

You're quite a few days behind us...

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW

Economy with the truth, unless you live on an exposed hill/island it
will be a fraction of that.

No - UP TO ...

That's why I used the word ECONOMY - it's not the whole truth...it's
misleading, whatever the greenies of this world might say...

3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.

It's not here.

But it might shake the house a bit.

You don't have to have it on the house.

Most of the target customer base have no other option, if they want it
to turn at all. Of course, many of the greenies will want it just to
show they have one, and turning is not essential.

4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.

I'd like to see that in writing.

I think that's something to do with Blue Skies grants. I think they're being
discontinued ... but are very restrictive.

Exactly - misleading again.

5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

I think it has a projected life of 10 years.

I suspect there's a bit in small print about terms and conditions applying

Apparently it says somewhere that 10 years is not guaranteed...

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On 2006-11-04 18:06:47 +0000, "Bob Eager" said:

On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:50:29 UTC, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:21:22 UTC, Zoinks
wrote:

Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

You're quite a few days behind us...

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW

Economy with the truth, unless you live on an exposed hill/island it
will be a fraction of that.

No - UP TO ...

That's why I used the word ECONOMY - it's not the whole truth...it's
misleading, whatever the greenies of this world might say...

Then it is economy. Economy with the truth....



3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.

It's not here.

But it might shake the house a bit.

You don't have to have it on the house.

Most of the target customer base have no other option, if they want it
to turn at all. Of course, many of the greenies will want it just to
show they have one, and turning is not essential.

I'm sure that there is a knob in the controller which randomly applies
some electricity to the windmill to turn it - scaled from dark to
bright green.




4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.

I'd like to see that in writing.

I think that's something to do with Blue Skies grants. I think they're
being discontinued ... but are very restrictive.

Exactly - misleading again.

Blue Skies...... very appropriate name.


5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

I think it has a projected life of 10 years.

I suspect there's a bit in small print about terms and conditions applying

Apparently it says somewhere that 10 years is not guaranteed...

Details, details... This is all about greeny feel good, don't confuse
it with facts.

"Zoinks" wrote:
All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

Z.

As far as I can tell, you don't save anything. The estimated time taken to
recoup the installation costs is between 8 and 11 years. But the lifespan of
these windmills is about ten years, less in coastal areas due to salt
corrosion. So it would just about have paid for itself and then need to be
replaced, effectively cancelling out any savings. Only certain properties
are suitable. The B & Q Windsave is mounted on a 6ft pole which needs to be
attached to the gable end of the property so that the blades are at least
30ft high. The blades also need to be out of the wind shadow of any tall
buildings. The Windsave stars to generate electricity at 9mph, but the
average wind speed across the UK is 12.5mph at 33ft above the ground, enough
to power two 40watt bulbs. So apart from on very windy days the amount of
electricity generated will be limited, and none at all when the wind speed
falls below 9mph.When the wind speed is 28mph the Windsave will generate 1
kilowatt of power, enough to run a TV, DVD player, computer, fridge freezer
and several lights. B & Q expects to sell between 20,000 and 50,000 a year
and believes they will be a common feature of the skyline within 5 years. It
reminds me of Sir Clive Sinclair's C5. Planning permission is needed at the
moment, which costs at least £200.

In message , Donwill
wrote

6) How to cope with neighbours complaining about the noise?

I wonder how terrestrial digital TV will cope with the rotating blades
on the same chimney as the TV aerial - let alone interference from
badly maintained (or shoddily made) electrical generators.

--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

"Alan" wrote:
I wonder how terrestrial digital TV will cope with the rotating blades on
the same chimney as the TV aerial - let alone interference from badly
maintained (or shoddily made) electrical generators.

--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

My understanding is that the Windsave has to be mounted on the gable end of
a property.

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:21:22 +0000, Zoinks
wrote:

All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

The thing uses 6W in standby mode. I can't wait for the day a weather
forecaster announces that there will be no appreciable wind over most
of the UK for the next week, so you might as well unplug all your wind
turbines and save us all a few MWh of power.



--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd. http://www.pherber.com/
Electronics for Visio http://www.electronics.sandrila.co.uk/

In message , Codswallop wrote
"Alan" wrote:
I wonder how terrestrial digital TV will cope with the rotating blades on
the same chimney as the TV aerial - let alone interference from badly
maintained (or shoddily made) electrical generators.

--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

My understanding is that the Windsave has to be mounted on the gable end of
a property.


So it only buggers up your neighbours TV

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On 2006-11-04 20:37:03 +0000, Owain said:

Andy Hall wrote:
Does he need to send you regular cheques for maintenance costs too?
Oh no. BACS would be fine. I hate dealing with paper cheques -
waste of time.

I don't mind *receiving* them - it's writing them distresses me.

I hate that as well. It's a complete PITA having to make a special
trip to go and pay the damn things in - almost as bad as having to go
to a main post office to buy a car licence.

As far as payments are concerned, I've managed to almost completely
eliminate cheque payments by not dealing with people who don't accept
payment by credit card or BACS. There has to be a very good reason
for me to get the cheque book out. So far this year, I have written 3
cheques and hope not to write any more.

On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:18:36 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:

I'm sure that there is a knob in the controller which randomly applies
some electricity to the windmill to turn it - scaled from dark to
bright green.

AH, so that's how they get the 1kw and 30% saving on your power bill. All
the other turbines up the street blow air at yours!

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Andy Hall wrote:

As far as payments are concerned, I've managed to almost completely
eliminate cheque payments by not dealing with people who don't accept
payment by credit card or BACS. There has to be a very good reason
for me to get the cheque book out. So far this year, I have written 3
cheques and hope not to write any more.

I'm glad others have this policy - eventually it'll make a dent. I
cannot stand cheques, either writing or receiving them.


--
Grunff

In article ,
Andy Hall writes:
I hate that as well. It's a complete PITA having to make a special
trip to go and pay the damn things in - almost as bad as having to go
to a main post office to buy a car licence.

As far as payments are concerned, I've managed to almost completely
eliminate cheque payments by not dealing with people who don't accept
payment by credit card or BACS. There has to be a very good reason
for me to get the cheque book out. So far this year, I have written 3
cheques and hope not to write any more.

In my case, 4 cheques this year, but one of them was lost by
Legal and General (who can't handle BACS either), and one of
them was car tax too.

I now write so few of them, I have to stop and think how to
do it again each time.

I try to use BACS for everything.

--
Andrew Gabriel

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:
Does he need to send you regular cheques for maintenance costs too?
Oh no. BACS would be fine. I hate dealing with paper cheques - waste
of time.

I don't mind *receiving* them - it's writing them distresses me.

Maintenance business on this kind of product would be a nice earner
because there's no way to tell if it's working or not.

And for reasons of public safety too - if it saves just one child from
being knocked senseless by a wobbly turbine.

Depends which child .... but how many children have been knocked senseless
by a wobbly turbine?

Mary

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...


I try to use BACS for everything.

I offer to receive payment in BACS but only Museums do it. Most people don't
seem to understand that it's quicker and cheaper.

Mary

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...


But it might shake the house a bit.

You don't have to have it on the house.

Most of the target customer base have no other option, if they want it
to turn at all. Of course, many of the greenies will want it just to
show they have one, and turning is not essential.

You seemed to assume that it WOULD be on the house. We souldn't have one on
the house, we have a very sturdy (home built) garage which would accommodate
one. If there were enough wind here, which there isn't, we've been told by a
supplier.



5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

I think it has a projected life of 10 years.

I suspect there's a bit in small print about terms and conditions
applying

Apparently it says somewhere that 10 years is not guaranteed...

Why am I not surprised?

I wouldn't believe anythinig from that source.

Mary

"Codswallop" wrote in message
...

.. Planning permission is needed at the
moment, which costs at least £200.

?

Planning permission isn't needed here (I asked the planners) and if it were
it wouldn't cost.

Mary

On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 22:04:25 UTC, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

In my case, 4 cheques this year, but one of them was lost by
Legal and General (who can't handle BACS either), and one of
them was car tax too.

I relicense via the DVLA website.

As for paying cheques in...I keep a stock of the paying in envelopes. At
least I can just walk in, drop it in the slot and walk out.

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"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 22:04:25 UTC, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

In my case, 4 cheques this year, but one of them was lost by
Legal and General (who can't handle BACS either), and one of
them was car tax too.

I relicense via the DVLA website.

That is very easy but Spouse wants to support the local post office so
insists on doing the car and his bike there.

As for paying cheques in...I keep a stock of the paying in envelopes. At
least I can just walk in, drop it in the slot and walk out.

That's what Spouse does. I don't do anything except look at the on-line
statements :-)

Mary

"Owain" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:
I hate dealing with paper cheques - waste of time.
I don't mind *receiving* them - it's writing them distresses me.
I hate that as well. It's a complete PITA having to make a special
trip to go and pay the damn things in

Just make your mark on the back and post them to me. I'll handle all that
irksome work of paying them in for you and you'll never see them (or the
money...) again.

National Girobank used to provide prepaid envelopes for paying cheques in.
For your cheques, I'd be happy to do the same :-)

Local government employees can still claim an additional 15 minutes'
lunch-break every fortnight to go to the bank,

Really?

Heavens! I can't remember the last time I used cash for anything. Oh yes, I
can, when Spouse was having his prostatectomy recently and I had to park
every day, twice a day, for nine days. That was a bit of a bummer, I had to
search down the back of all the chairs and in his pockets to find enough!

Mary

On 2006-11-04 22:37:46 +0000, "Mary Fisher" said:


"Owain" wrote in message
...
Andy Hall wrote:
Does he need to send you regular cheques for maintenance costs too?
Oh no. BACS would be fine. I hate dealing with paper cheques -
waste of time.

I don't mind *receiving* them - it's writing them distresses me.

Maintenance business on this kind of product would be a nice earner
because there's no way to tell if it's working or not.

And for reasons of public safety too - if it saves just one child from
being knocked senseless by a wobbly turbine.

Depends which child .... but how many children have been knocked
senseless by a wobbly turbine?

Mary

The parents certainly have been...

Mary Fisher wrote:

Heavens! I can't remember the last time I used cash for anything. Oh yes, I
can, when Spouse was having his prostatectomy recently and I had to park
every day, twice a day, for nine days. That was a bit of a bummer, I had to
search down the back of all the chairs and in his pockets to find enough!

Doesn't your hospital have an option to buy a weekly pass? Often cheaper
than the extortionate amount they want per day...

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"Mary Fisher" wrote

.. We souldn't have one on
the house, we have a very sturdy (home built) garage which would
accommodate one. If there were enough wind here, which there isn't, we've
been told by a supplier.


You should try B&Q, I'm sure they could find a system that they will tell
you would do just fine for you ;-) As I'm sure they will for most of their
potential suckers - sorry I meant to say customers.

H

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:

Heavens! I can't remember the last time I used cash for anything. Oh yes,
I can, when Spouse was having his prostatectomy recently and I had to
park every day, twice a day, for nine days. That was a bit of a bummer, I
had to search down the back of all the chairs and in his pockets to find
enough!

Doesn't your hospital have an option to buy a weekly pass?

No.

Often cheaper than the extortionate amount they want per day...

I didn't begrudge it, it's a privilege. Our hospital fund more than covered
it anyway. Until recently it would have been impossible to find long term
parking so things are better than they used to be. It's an enormous hospital
and growing annually.

The annoying thing is that it's only two miles from home but I'd have to get
two buses to get there and two back, with quite long walks to the bus stops.
It was bad enough making the long hike to the ward from the car park. These
days I can't walk that distance, I used to, pushing prams, when I went to
ante and post natal appointments but that was a long time ago when I was
younger and not arthritic.

On the last day the enormous car park was full, people were queuing to get
in. I drove home, called a mini cab and was back again a few minutes later.

Mary

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On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 23:01:06 UTC, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Bob Eager" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 22:04:25 UTC, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

In my case, 4 cheques this year, but one of them was lost by
Legal and General (who can't handle BACS either), and one of
them was car tax too.

I relicense via the DVLA website.

That is very easy but Spouse wants to support the local post office so
insists on doing the car and his bike there.

As I always used to. It's only two minutes' walk away. Unfortunately,
there are now only two sub-postoffices near here (they closed several
others) and it is now permanently crowded, trying to deal with a
customer load well in excess of its capability. It is a very small shop.
It is just impractical to use it.

I buy stamps at the corner shop (which I do support), and unusual stamp
values (not standard 1st/2nd small letters) online.
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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Mary Fisher wrote:

Heavens! I can't remember the last time I used cash for anything. Oh yes,
I can, when Spouse was having his prostatectomy recently and I had to
park every day, twice a day, for nine days. That was a bit of a bummer, I
had to search down the back of all the chairs and in his pockets to find
enough!

Doesn't your hospital have an option to buy a weekly pass? Often cheaper
than the extortionate amount they want per day...

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Hospital parking charges are a disgrace. At our local hospital you are only
allowed a full refund for repeat visits if your relative is a terminal
patient.

When our twins were in the neo-natal unit we could get a charge capped at £2
a day if we had a chit signed and stamped by a medical staff member, nice
having to harass a tired medic for the stamp and nice when we were often
stressed too and then having to get the usually really miserable, and often
absent, security staff to validate it just so we could go home.

£2 a day isn't a lot to see your babies but at £84 for 6 weeks it was a
charge we resented, particularly as the money doesn't go into the coffers of
the Health Trust to help patient care but goes straight into the pockets of
the crony private finance initiative consortium. Why aren't these pfi
investments opened up to local small investors, I would put money in, high
return for apparently zero risk seems better than I can get else where - and
surely Us local patients would be happier about the money flows?

H

Mary Fisher wrote:
"mrcheerful ." wrote in message
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"Zoinks" wrote in message
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All,
Wandering around the local shed today I notice that they have started
doing wind turbines for £1500 inc. installation and VAT.

The bumf says the following:

1) The turbine generates (up to) 1kW
2) It will save me (up to) 30% of my electricity bill
3) Planning permission is (probably) not needed - it equates it with a
satellite dish.
4) The UK Government will (probably) stump up 30% of the cost.
5) It will pay for itself in (around) 7-12 years.

Any thoughts?

Z.

unless you live on a cliff top you are not going to have enough wind to
get even a tenth of a kilowatt.


Or Norfolk ...

Mary

The two turbines at Swaffham were criticised recently for only producing
30% of the expected output.