It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.
£
Plumbing 15,000
Electrics 4,000
Flooring 900
Ceilings 900
Painting 900
Furniture 1,200
Building work 5,500

Total 28,400

Makes the average BG quote for central heating seem absolutely modest.

The mind boggles, particularly at the first two and last items. What on
earth did she get for the money, and what on earth are the council tax
payers of North Yorkshire getting for theirs?

--
Roger Chapman

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:50:52 +0100 Roger wrote :
It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.
£
Plumbing 15,000
Electrics 4,000
Flooring 900
Ceilings 900
Painting 900
Furniture 1,200
Building work 5,500

Total 28,400

Sounds like Dolphin Bathrooms!

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

Roger wrote:
It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.
£
Plumbing 15,000
Electrics 4,000
Flooring 900
Ceilings 900
Painting 900
Furniture 1,200
Building work 5,500

Total 28,400

Makes the average BG quote for central heating seem absolutely modest.

The mind boggles, particularly at the first two and last items. What on
earth did she get for the money, and what on earth are the council tax
payers of North Yorkshire getting for theirs?

And, if the correct procurement procedure has been followed, that
should be the cheapest of three quotations

"Roger" wrote:
It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.
£
Plumbing 15,000
Electrics 4,000
Flooring 900
Ceilings 900
Painting 900
Furniture 1,200
Building work 5,500

Total 28,400

Makes the average BG quote for central heating seem absolutely modest.

The mind boggles, particularly at the first two and last items. What on
earth did she get for the money, and what on earth are the council tax
payers of North Yorkshire getting for theirs?

--
Roger Chapman

She blames it on the carpet. But that was only 900 quid.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:50:52 +0100, Roger wrote:

It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.

One has got to wonder what she is doing in her office that requires her
to have a shower. Sitting behind a desk in a presumably air conditioned
enviroment shuffling bits of paper or having a chat with people is hardly
physically demanding.

As for the costs you don't know what they had to do to get suitable water
supplies, power to and waste from the area. In a modern ofice block this
might not be as straight forward as it first appears.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:50:52 +0100 someone who may be Roger
wrote this:-

It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire

Does her sex matter particularly?

required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.

ISTM that the cost is outrageous, not remarkable. Some people live
in houses that cost less than that to buy.

Makes the average BG quote for central heating seem absolutely modest.

Indeed.

The mind boggles, particularly at the first two and last items. What on
earth did she get for the money,

I would expect to see marble surfaces and solid gold fittings for
that price.

and what on earth are the council tax
payers of North Yorkshire getting for theirs?

Less money spent on something useful, like catching criminals. It
does seem that some firms see the public sector coming and charge
outrageous prices.

Are there no showers elsewhere in the building that she could use?



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:50:52 +0100 someone who may be Roger
wrote this:-

It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire

Does her sex matter particularly?

It would affect the smell certainly.


required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.

ISTM that the cost is outrageous, not remarkable. Some people live
in houses that cost less than that to buy.

Makes the average BG quote for central heating seem absolutely modest.

Indeed.

The mind boggles, particularly at the first two and last items. What on
earth did she get for the money,

I would expect to see marble surfaces and solid gold fittings for
that price.

and what on earth are the council tax
payers of North Yorkshire getting for theirs?

Less money spent on something useful, like catching criminals. It
does seem that some firms see the public sector coming and charge
outrageous prices.

Are there no showers elsewhere in the building that she could use?


Depends on whether she is in the habit of entertaining male officers in
her private demesne..

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:50:52 +0100 someone who may be Roger
wrote this:-

It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire

Does her sex matter particularly?

It would affect the smell certainly.


required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.

snipped


Are there no showers elsewhere in the building that she could use?


Depends on whether she is in the habit of entertaining male officers in
her private demesne..


============================
Not likely, judging by her appearance. She looks like a revised version of 'Two
Ton Tessie O'Shea' with a bit of added extra tonnage.

Cic.

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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:50:52 +0100, Roger
wrote:

It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.
£
Plumbing 15,000
Electrics 4,000
Flooring 900
Ceilings 900
Painting 900
Furniture 1,200
Building work 5,500

Total 28,400

Makes the average BG quote for central heating seem absolutely modest.

The mind boggles, particularly at the first two and last items. What on
earth did she get for the money, and what on earth are the council tax
payers of North Yorkshire getting for theirs?

Hmmm, I smell a taxable benefit here!


--
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Electronics for Visio http://www.electronics.sandrila.co.uk/

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:09:47 UTC, "Cicero"
wrote:

Depends on whether she is in the habit of entertaining male officers in
her private demesne..

Not likely, judging by her appearance. She looks like a revised version of 'Two
Ton Tessie O'Shea' with a bit of added extra tonnage.

I dunno. Mightv suit Two Jags...

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The message
from "Codswallop" contains these words:

She blames it on the carpet. But that was only 900 quid.

It was raised again on the local news this lunchtime and the tale gets
worse. All this work (apparently not paid for yet so someone is having
qualms) because she got a slight shock from the original installation.
Surely replacing an electric shower should cost £284 or so, not £28400.

The police precept for north Yorkshire is a good deal higher than those
for South and West Yorkshire, and no wonder given the lax financial
controls.

--
Roger Chapman

Roger wrote:
It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.
£
Plumbing 15,000
Electrics 4,000
Flooring 900
Ceilings 900
Painting 900
Furniture 1,200
Building work 5,500

Total 28,400


Quadruple that figure as it occurs in every major police establishment
up'n'down the country.



--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

In article . net,
The Tax Inspector wrote:
Hmmm, I smell a taxable benefit here!

Yes. Having private shower facilities in a job where there is no special
need for them should indeed be taxable.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:40:16 +0100 (BST) someone who may be "Dave
Liquorice" wrote this:-

As for the costs you don't know what they had to do to get suitable water
supplies, power to and waste from the area. In a modern ofice block this
might not be as straight forward as it first appears.

All the more reason for someone to look at the initial estimates and
then say, "this will cost too much." However, it doesn't surprise me
that either there wasn't such a person, or they were ignored.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:48:41 +0100 someone who may be Roger
wrote this:-

It was raised again on the local news this lunchtime and the tale gets
worse. All this work (apparently not paid for yet so someone is having
qualms) because she got a slight shock from the original installation.
Surely replacing an electric shower should cost £284 or so, not £28400.

The obvious questions include what original installation and what
sort of shock?


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On 2006-10-20 14:37:31 +0100, "Bob Eager" said:

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:09:47 UTC, "Cicero" wrote:

Depends on whether she is in the habit of entertaining male officers in
her private demesne..

Not likely, judging by her appearance. She looks like a revised version
of 'Two
Ton Tessie O'Shea' with a bit of added extra tonnage.

I dunno. Mightv suit Two Jags...

Shudder.

Thinks of Blunkett with his red flag on Sheffield town hall....

The message
from David Hansen contains these words:

ISTM that the cost is outrageous, not remarkable. Some people live
in houses that cost less than that to buy.

Me, for a start!

--
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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

The message
from David Hansen contains these words:

It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire

Does her sex matter particularly?

Only if you expect the sexes to respond differently in such a situation.

snip

and what on earth are the council tax
payers of North Yorkshire getting for theirs?

Less money spent on something useful, like catching criminals. It
does seem that some firms see the public sector coming and charge
outrageous prices.

It has crossed my mind since that the police HQ might be a PFI building
but even so these prices seem outrageous even by NHS rip-off standards.

Are there no showers elsewhere in the building that she could use?

Most probably but executive privileges are by no means confined to the
public sector.
--
Roger Chapman

The message
from David Hansen contains these words:

It was raised again on the local news this lunchtime and the tale gets
worse. All this work (apparently not paid for yet so someone is having
qualms) because she got a slight shock from the original installation.
Surely replacing an electric shower should cost £284 or so, not £28400.

The obvious questions include what original installation and what
sort of shock?

I assumed it was an electric shower delivering an electric shock. It was
not clear whether the original installation was also an en suite or
whether it was elsewhere in the building but undoubtedly the CC had
access to a shower of some sort prior to the current waste of money.

--
Roger Chapman

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:51:44 +0100 David Hansen wrote :
All the more reason for someone to look at the initial estimates and
then say, "this will cost too much." However, it doesn't surprise me
that either there wasn't such a person, or they were ignored.

More likely it was a case of "the Chief Constable is away for the next
two weeks and wants to find an en-suite shower in her office when she
returns. Which part of the last sentence don't you understand?".

Back in my Council days we got a new Director who on day one said he
wanted a new desk etc etc. As he was ex-military I do not think that
anyone would have dared say "we've nothing in the budget for this".

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.com...
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:50:52 +0100, Roger wrote:

It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.

One has got to wonder what she is doing in her office that requires her
to have a shower. Sitting behind a desk in a presumably air conditioned
enviroment shuffling bits of paper or having a chat with people is hardly
physically demanding.

Without condoning the _in_action of the Chief Constable here but the
statement "Sitting behind a desk in a presumably air conditioned enviroment
shuffling bits of paper or having a chat with people ... " displays a
remakable lack of knowledge. A chief Executive, particularly for a Police
Force/Service, _may_ be sitting in an air-conditioned office one minute,
then attending a major incident - lots of blood and gore, smoke, fire,
fire-arms, rain, mud ...whatever; then have to attend a award/promotion
ceremony .. .then appear of camera for CNN/ITN/BBC ... then attend a dinner
with the Lord Lieutenant, Mayor, Council .... in one working day!


As for the costs you don't know what they had to do to get suitable water
supplies, power to and waste from the area. In a modern ofice block this
might not be as straight forward as it first appears.

Dave, hasn't the report read out to him yet, where-in it specifically says
that this was a remodelling of an existing facility!
But why should Dave let facts intrude into his rant!

--

Brian

In article , Roger
writes
It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.
£
Plumbing 15,000
Electrics 4,000
Flooring 900
Ceilings 900
Painting 900
Furniture 1,200
Building work 5,500

Total 28,400

Makes the average BG quote for central heating seem absolutely modest.

The mind boggles, particularly at the first two and last items. What on
earth did she get for the money, and what on earth are the council tax
payers of North Yorkshire getting for theirs?


The report I read said that it was a replacement of an existing
facility, and the estimate for the price was 20% of the final cost.
"She was horrified at the cost of the personal shower. She could not
believe how they had spiralled".


Adrian
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To Reply :
replace "news" with "adrian" and "nospam" with "ffoil"
Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops
Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.

In message , Adrian Simpson
writes
In article , Roger
writes
It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.
£
Plumbing 15,000
Electrics 4,000
Flooring 900
Ceilings 900
Painting 900
Furniture 1,200
Building work 5,500

Total 28,400

Makes the average BG quote for central heating seem absolutely modest.

The mind boggles, particularly at the first two and last items. What on
earth did she get for the money, and what on earth are the council tax
payers of North Yorkshire getting for theirs?


The report I read said that it was a replacement of an existing
facility, and the estimate for the price was 20% of the final cost.
"She was horrified at the cost of the personal shower. She could not
believe how they had spiralled".


Adrian
Mind you, upset the Chief Constable, and the plumbers van could be
getting its tyres & tax disc inspected by the boys in blue very
regularly indeed ;-)



--
steve

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:51:44 +0100, David Hansen wrote:


As for the costs you don't know what they had to do to get suitable
water supplies, power to and waste from the area. In a modern ofice
block this might not be as straight forward as it first appears.

All the more reason for someone to look at the initial estimates and
then say, "this will cost too much." However, it doesn't surprise me
that either there wasn't such a person, or they were ignored.

Or the person doing the authorising is the person wanting the shower.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:59:20 GMT, Brian Sharrock wrote:

_may_ be sitting in an air-conditioned office one minute, then
attending a major incident - lots of blood and gore, smoke, fire,
fire-arms, rain, mud ...whatever; then have to attend a award/promotion
ceremony .. .then appear of camera for CNN/ITN/BBC ... then attend a
dinner with the Lord Lieutenant, Mayor, Council .... in one working
day!

So there are no facilties for the ordinary WPC's who do that the ****ty
work all day, every day? Why does the CC *need* private facilties and in
their office?

it specifically says that this was a remodelling of an existing
facility!

Which makes the costs even more outrageous. For that money it sounds as
if an all singing all dancing whole family, steam shower unit complete
with DVD, TV, phone internet and jacuzi has been fitted.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Owain wrote:
Dave Liquorice wrote:
So there are no facilties for the ordinary WPC's who do that the
****ty work all day, every day? Why does the CC *need* private
facilties and in their office?

It wouldn't be very fair to the lower ranks if they thought the CC might
be in the next cubicle.

Would you like to be in the shower soaping yourself down and your boss
unexpectedly pop his/her head over the cubicle partition asking for a
loan of your Imperial Leather?

Owain
First time I heard a truncheon called THAT....;-)

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:36:27 +0100 someone who may be
wrote this:-

I remember visiting the bog after a meeting with the big white chief from
head office. A derogatory discussion took place over the urinals about the
BWC. Guess who flushed and came out of the cubicle? (fortunately I hadn't
joined in teh discussion.

It's a good case for separate facilities for higher manglers.

I don't think so. For a start it might be the only place they get
honest information.

Many moons ago a sticker was stuck on the warm-air hand driers in
the toilets of the offices where I worked. We had just had the usual
sort of upbeat thrusting forward speech MDs are fond of. The sticker
said that for a speech on our future by the MD press the button on
the drier. The MD, who used the same toilets as us plebs, reportedly
laughed when he saw it, but the administrators took a dim view.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"David Hansen" wrote in message
...

Many moons ago a sticker was stuck on the warm-air hand driers in
the toilets of the offices where I worked. We had just had the usual
sort of upbeat thrusting forward speech MDs are fond of. The sticker
said that for a speech on our future by the MD press the button on
the drier. The MD, who used the same toilets as us plebs, reportedly
laughed when he saw it, but the administrators took a dim view.

Aaargh - people getting offended on behalf of others. Hate it.

cheers,
clive

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:29:42 +0100, wrote:
On 20 Oct,
Roger wrote:

It has been reported in the press that the female Chief constable for
North Yorkshire required an en suite shower to be installed in her
office at a quite remarkable cost.
£
Plumbing 15,000
Electrics 4,000
Flooring 900
Ceilings 900
Painting 900
Furniture 1,200
Building work 5,500

Total 28,400

Makes the average BG quote for central heating seem absolutely modest.

The mind boggles, particularly at the first two and last items. What on
earth did she get for the money, and what on earth are the council tax
payers of North Yorkshire getting for theirs?

Sounds about par for the course for council building work. It will have
included a lot of architectural and administration charges as well, and have
to be to a high security standard.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
are you thinking that someone would nick it?

Why they couldn't send her chauffeur down to B&Queue for one is another
matter.


wouldn't a 50p air freshener be just as effective?

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.. doesn't try it on (Billy Connolly) .....................................

Typical of councils and large organisations who need to show all the costs
and all the overheads. It would begin with a comprehensive building survey,
a risk assessment, an environment survey, a project manager, etc.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:11:10 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named
Owain randomly hit the keyboard and
produced:

Would you like to be in the shower soaping yourself down and your boss
unexpectedly pop his/her head over the cubicle partition asking for a
loan of your Imperial Leather?

"Where's the soap?"
"Yes it does".
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

On 2006-10-22 13:33:10 +0100, Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost said:

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:11:10 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named
Owain randomly hit the keyboard and
produced:

Would you like to be in the shower soaping yourself down and your boss
unexpectedly pop his/her head over the cubicle partition asking for a
loan of your Imperial Leather?

"Where's the soap?"
"Yes it does".

I'm shocked. On a Sunday as well :=)

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:01:35 +0100, David Hansen wrote:

A derogatory discussion took place over the urinals about the BWC.
Guess who flushed and came out of the cubicle? (fortunately I hadn't
joined in teh discussion.

It's a good case for separate facilities for higher manglers.

I don't think so. For a start it might be the only place they get
honest information.

Agreed. I got sent this the other day:

What Makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? Ever
wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have
all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%. How
about achieving 103%? What makes up 100% in life?

Here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer
these questions:

If:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

is represented as:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26.

Then:

H-A-R-D-W-O-R- K
8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%

and

K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E
11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

But,

A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E
1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

And,

B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T
2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

AND, look how far ass kissing will take you.

A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G
1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that, while Hard
work and knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there,
it's the Bull**** and Ass- kissing that will put you over the top.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Roger wrote:
It has crossed my mind since that the police HQ might be a PFI building
but even so these prices seem outrageous even by NHS rip-off standards.

Are there no showers elsewhere in the building that she could use?

Most probably but executive privileges are by no means confined to the
public sector.

I could comment on a certain Vice-chancellor who's University house (5
bed mansion) has had serious money spent on new en-suites for every
guest bedroom, still with all weekend parties and all the food etc
coming from Uni catering services, along with the waiting staff.....