I need an inkjet printer for large print runs on A4 paper. I don't do
much photo printing so something with just black, cyan, magenta &
yellow cartridges would be ideal: something I can refill with generic
refill ink. Perhaps with a continuous-ink system, or with large ink
tanks.

I have been using a Canon i560, which was okay, but it just bit the
dust, an I need a replacement printer fast.

Any suggestions what would be a cheap but effective solution?

Thank you,

Jake D

Jake D wrote:
I need an inkjet printer for large print runs on A4 paper. I don't do
much photo printing so something with just black, cyan, magenta &
yellow cartridges would be ideal: something I can refill with generic
refill ink. Perhaps with a continuous-ink system, or with large ink
tanks.

I have been using a Canon i560, which was okay, but it just bit the
dust, an I need a replacement printer fast.

Any suggestions what would be a cheap but effective solution?

Thank you,

Jake D
What counts as large runs? Wouldn't the running cost of a colour laser
be less than that of an inkjet? Morgan had/has some colour laser
printers at very attractive prices.

Richard

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Jake D
saying something like:

Perhaps with a continuous-ink system, or with large ink
tanks.

www.svp.co.uk have mention of continuous ink systems

eg. http://svp.co.uk/products-solo.php?pid=1564

And the Epson R220 with CISS pops up on ebay from time to time.
--

Dave

Richard wrote:
Jake D wrote:
I need an inkjet printer for large print runs on A4 paper. I don't do
much photo printing so something with just black, cyan, magenta &
yellow cartridges would be ideal: something I can refill with generic
refill ink. Perhaps with a continuous-ink system, or with large ink
tanks.

I have been using a Canon i560, which was okay, but it just bit the
dust, an I need a replacement printer fast.

Any suggestions what would be a cheap but effective solution?
Thank you,

Jake D
What counts as large runs? Wouldn't the running cost of a colour laser
be less than that of an inkjet? Morgan had/has some colour laser
printers at very attractive prices.

Richard

Can't believe this will end up cheaper than jobbing it out to an online
print service

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:40:01 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

Perhaps with a continuous-ink system, or with large ink
tanks.

www.svp.co.uk have mention of continuous ink systems

eg. http://svp.co.uk/products-solo.php?pid=1564

And the Epson R220 with CISS pops up on ebay from time to time.

Dave, Thanks for that. I have seen those kits, but I don't like the
look of having to use 6 different colours. I'd rather have just four:
black, magenta, cyan and yellow. It's all I need for my type of work
which is mostly text and just a few scanned images.

An Epson printer may be an option. I'd like one that's fairly cheap,
with four transparent, large-sized ink tanks, with the black one
bigger than the others if possible. Is there such a beast, I
wonder...

Jake

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:56:20 GMT, Stuart Noble
wrote:

Can't believe this will end up cheaper than jobbing it out to an online
print service

Maybe not, but I like to have full control over what's being printed.
For example, I often need to alter the text being printed, half-way
through a print run.

Jake

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:57:31 +0100, Richard wrote:

What counts as large runs?

4000+, about once every couple of months. Apart from that, my usage is
about average for a home office / small business.

Wouldn't the running cost of a colour laser
be less than that of an inkjet? Morgan had/has some colour laser
printers at very attractive prices.

My experiences with lasers is that they are very expensive to run.
Like someone else mentiones in an earlier thread, the drums need
replacing regularly and that's invariably expensive. The toner is by
no means cheap either. A well-chosen inkjet refilled with
bulk-purchased ink is can be less expensive in the long run, IMO. But,
of course, it probably depends on numerous factors.

Jake

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:25:58 +0100, Jake D
wrote:

My experiences with lasers is that they are very expensive to run.
Like someone else mentiones in an earlier thread, the drums need
replacing regularly and that's invariably expensive. The toner is by
no means cheap either. A well-chosen inkjet refilled with
bulk-purchased ink is can be less expensive in the long run, IMO. But,
of course, it probably depends on numerous factors.

........although, I have not investigated the cost (and running costs)
of recent colour lasers. Last time I looked was about 4 years ago. I
will have to take a look at today's offerings.

Jake

.......although, I have not investigated the cost (and running costs)
of recent colour lasers. Last time I looked was about 4 years ago. I
will have to take a look at today's offerings.

They're really cheap to run in comparison to inkjets now. However, many do
need unofficial mods to the cartridges as the manufacturers put spy chips in
to force you to buy their overpriced ink.

The black ink isn't much different from mono-laser. The coloured ink is a
fraction of ink jet ink price.

The output is much better than inkjet, especially for computer generated
graphics, rather than photos.

Christian.

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:18:04 +0100, Jake D
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:40:01 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

Perhaps with a continuous-ink system, or with large ink
tanks.

www.svp.co.uk have mention of continuous ink systems

eg. http://svp.co.uk/products-solo.php?pid=1564

And the Epson R220 with CISS pops up on ebay from time to time.

Dave, Thanks for that. I have seen those kits, but I don't like the
look of having to use 6 different colours. I'd rather have just four:
black, magenta, cyan and yellow. It's all I need for my type of work
which is mostly text and just a few scanned images.

An Epson printer may be an option. I'd like one that's fairly cheap,
with four transparent, large-sized ink tanks, with the black one
bigger than the others if possible. Is there such a beast, I
wonder...

Jake

Hi Jake,

If another Canon would be good, this doc. will help find which of
their current printers uses cheap cartridges:

http://www.canon-europe.com/Images/13_319846.pdf

Eg a Pixma IP4000 uses CMYK BCI-6 cartridges, which can be bought for
peanuts.

For bulk inkjet printing, check out the first link he

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=re sult&cd=1&q=continuous+flow+system&spell=1

BTW I found this through the following site

http://www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff.html

Canon have an outlet on Ebay (canon_uk1) which can be a good source of
a cheap Canon printer.

Whatever the printer I'd just get a clutch of cartriges and refill
them in batches with some decent bulk ink.

cheers,
Pete.

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:27:07 +0100, Owain
wrote:

Maybe not, but I like to have full control over what's being printed.
For example, I often need to alter the text being printed, half-way
through a print run.

Don't know what you're printing, but would it be feasible to get the
majority of the artwork printed offset, then over-print only variable
(preferably black) text?

Owain, Thanks for the suggestion; however, I feel this would add to
the costs in terms of time and money, rather than reduce them. (Two
lots of printing to produce each sheet.)

Jake

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:20:35 +0100, Pete C
wrote:

If another Canon would be good, this doc. will help find which of
their current printers uses cheap cartridges:

http://www.canon-europe.com/Images/13_319846.pdf

Eg a Pixma IP4000 uses CMYK BCI-6 cartridges, which can be bought for
peanuts.

Pete, Thanks for the input and URLs. I generally refill my cartridges
using bulk-purchased generic ink. This worked faultessly with my Canon
i560. I would have liked to find an IP3000 or IP4000 to replace the
i560, but they are both discontinued now. The nearest thing that's
easily available sems to be the IP4200 which unfortunately uses 5 ink
tanks instead of the IP300's more convenient four.

Just before my i560 bit the dust, I bought a bulk quantity of generic
refill ink... I'm just hoping it will work in the IP4200.

Has anyone had success refilling the Canon IP 4200 with generic refill
ink?

Jake

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:25:30 +0100, Jake D
wrote:

Pete, Thanks for the input and URLs. I generally refill my cartridges
using bulk-purchased generic ink. This worked faultessly with my Canon
i560. I would have liked to find an IP3000 or IP4000 to replace the
i560, but they are both discontinued now. The nearest thing that's
easily available sems to be the IP4200 which unfortunately uses 5 ink
tanks instead of the IP300's more convenient four.

My mistake, I didn't realise Canon had bought out new printers that
use different cartridges.

Just before my i560 bit the dust, I bought a bulk quantity of generic
refill ink... I'm just hoping it will work in the IP4200.

Has anyone had success refilling the Canon IP 4200 with generic refill
ink?

I'd look around at Epson and HP, what you could do with is something
with non-chipped carts that have cheap generic equivalents.

Theres a few printer forums out there, this one is quite good though
biased toward photo printers:

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/

cheers,
Pete.

Jake D wrote:

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:27:07 +0100, Owain
wrote:


Maybe not, but I like to have full control over what's being printed.
For example, I often need to alter the text being printed, half-way
through a print run.

Don't know what you're printing, but would it be feasible to get the
majority of the artwork printed offset, then over-print only variable
(preferably black) text?


Owain, Thanks for the suggestion; however, I feel this would add to
the costs in terms of time and money, rather than reduce them. (Two
lots of printing to produce each sheet.)

Owen and others.

Just give up.

He is so self motivated as to be inadvisable.

Dave

Yes, excellent info on that one, thank you! I found a long and
informative thread discussing Canon's chipped carts, and using
cintinuous flow systems with them, etc.

www.svp.co.uk have just started to sell them (cont. ink systems)

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:30:37 +0100, Pete C
wrote:

Theres a few printer forums out there, this one is quite good though
biased toward photo printers:

http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/

Yes, excellent info on that one, thank you! I found a long and
informative thread discussing Canon's chipped carts, and using
cintinuous flow systems with them, etc.

Jake

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:03:59 +0100, Owain
wrote:

It's standard practice for a lot of things like show flyers, which are
colour printed for the show and then overprinted in black with
date/venue information.

I can see what you meant now. Yes, that would save money with some
kinds of work.

Kyocera always used to be good for low running cost lasers.

I'll check 'em out - thanks.

Jake

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:03:00 +0100, Colin Wilson
wrote:

Yes, excellent info on that one, thank you! I found a long and
informative thread discussing Canon's chipped carts, and using
cintinuous flow systems with them, etc.

www.svp.co.uk have just started to sell them (cont. ink systems)

So they have. I wish they did one for the Canon ip4200. (I've just
ordered one of those.) Perhaps someone else sells one.

Jake

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:25:56 +0100, Dave
wrote:



Owen and others.

Just give up.

He is so self motivated as to be inadvisable.

Dave

But-out, half-wit; we don't need your backward advice.

JB