On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:35:55 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

Dave Liquorice wrote:

What contaminated food packaging? Tins rinse easy, as do bottles and
jars, frozen food packs/bags are pretty clean but again rinse if
required.

At what cost (monetary or environmental) in water, heating, and
detergent though?

I fill up any leftover space at the top of the DW with fruit punnets,
margarine tubs etc.

Jars I soak off the label and most of the of the left over contents,
and put them on top of and between the cups/mugs.

Time is an important consideration too, but considering the time spent
buying, storing and eating the contents, a bit of extra time spent on
recycling is nothing really.

cheers,
Pete.

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:42:21 +0100, John White wrote:

... "clean glass (no labels, ...
snip
... "plastic bottles and cans (no caps or labels)" ...

As previously stated nearly all our waste goes for recycling but if they
slapped a "no labels" requirement that would rapidly change. I'll not
waste my time getting the labels of the beer, wine and milk bottles or
other glass/plastic containers. Many plastic food containers are printed
anyway.

As it stands jam jars that take more than a 5 minute soak to get the
label off cleanly go for recycling rather than our own jam production.

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Dave Liquorice wrote:

Read what I wrote, "rinse" just water. Though in our case it's the
washing up water just before the plug is pulled. No additional resources
used above that for the normal washing up. Yes, shock horror washing
up by hand!

Yes, sure I read about that somewhere ;-)

A wheelie bin probably holds more than 4 bags worth of rubbish though.


So we would only need a collection every 3 months or so (1/4 bag/week, 4
bags = 16 weeks). I bet they'd still come every week...

I don't think I have ever put out a wheelie bin less than 3/4 full...
(shame we can't recycle cardboard in these parts, since I always end up
with a significant quantity of that)


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Dave Liquorice wrote:

So instead of having the streets clogged up once a week (or fortnight)
with the bin wagons you either have a load of them throughout a single
day or "bin days" spread through the week. Wonderful, not.

Of course I doubt it would take long for these private operators to come
to "an arrangement" where they collect "each others" rubbish.

They way they run the scheme in Southend on Sea (private refuse
cointractors) seems reasonable - they furnish two sets of bags to
householders, pink translucent ones and normal black sacks. You stick
anything recyclable into the pink sacks (list on the side - but they
take most stuff), and other rubbish into the black ones. Once per week
they send round two sets of collection crews (about 1 hr appart), first
one lifts all the pink sacks, and the next takes the black ones. The
only thing they seem to ask is you tie up the sacks and leave them
neatly on the pavement beside your property. They handle all the sorting
of the recycleable stuff. Hence if you have one week with extra rubbish
you put out extra bags, nice and easy!

Round here you are only allowed one wheelie bin load week with no
overspill sacks (appart from two or three "holiday season" specials per
year), and a blue box of (limited) recyclables they they collect once
per fortnight while making a huge noise!


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On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 22:08:43 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

You must have been putting flesh into the dustbin.

If you must do that - I can't think why

There are only so many places to bury those TV licence inspectors.

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:45:58 +0100, Pete C wrote:

|On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:35:55 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:
|
|Dave Liquorice wrote:
|
| What contaminated food packaging? Tins rinse easy, as do bottles and
| jars, frozen food packs/bags are pretty clean but again rinse if
| required.
|
|At what cost (monetary or environmental) in water, heating, and
|detergent though?
|
|I fill up any leftover space at the top of the DW with fruit punnets,
|margarine tubs etc.
|
|Jars I soak off the label and most of the of the left over contents,
|and put them on top of and between the cups/mugs.
|
|Time is an important consideration too, but considering the time spent
|buying, storing and eating the contents, a bit of extra time spent on
|recycling is nothing really.

I notionally charge all time I spend on anything at the National Minimum
Wage, currently roughly GBP 5 per hour. If somebody, somewhere does not
get GBP 5 for everything I do it is not worth doing.
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John Rumm wrote:
I don't think I have ever put out a wheelie bin less than 3/4 full...
(shame we can't recycle cardboard in these parts, since I always end up
with a significant quantity of that)

Yes we have to do cardboard - we have seperate sacks for paper and
cardboard. Then they come round and empty both into the back of the same
truck. Go figure...

David

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2006-08-05 22:56:09 +0100, Frank Erskine
said:

On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 21:58:06 +0100, Guy King
wrote:

The message
from Andy Hall contains these words:

It's not acceptable in hot weather to have bin collections every two weeks.

Works fine here. Accidentally went four weeks not long ago - no problem
even with four in the house.

Around our way, there are several small firms which virtually follow
the bin wagons about, cleaning wheelie-bins for a quid or two.

That's enterprising. In the animal kingdom I think it's called
parasitism. OTOH for a couple of £ .....

Judging by the house our local operative lives in, it's a nice little
earner.

MBQ

Lobster wrote:

Well as a family of five, doing all the recyling 100% properly, eg here we can't
recycle any food waste


What happens to our old dustbins?

drill lots of drainage holes in the bottom (or create an airspace and
fit a tap if you're feeling really excited) then add an expanded lump
of coir and about 250g of compost worms. Then you can dispose of
uncooked, vegetable kitchen waste. It will also benefit from a small
amount of shredded paper and cardboard.

Provided you don't let things rot anaerobically before putting them in
(guilty yerronor - the smell was unholy) there should be virtually no
odour. Make sure you keep water out and that the thing drains properly
otherwise you will drown then worms (also guilty yerronor - still the
resultant mucky mess made our beans grow a treat!)

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"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
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I notionally charge all time I spend on anything at the National Minimum
Wage, currently roughly GBP 5 per hour. If somebody, somewhere does not
get GBP 5 for everything I do it is not worth doing.

Tell me about your posting to usenet...

cheers,
clive

On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:04:21 +0100, "Clive George"
wrote:

|"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
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| I notionally charge all time I spend on anything at the National Minimum
| Wage, currently roughly GBP 5 per hour. If somebody, somewhere does not
| get GBP 5 for everything I do it is not worth doing.
|
|Tell me about your posting to usenet...

Somebody includes *me*, and entertainment has a value, as does helping
others, who hopefully find value in my posts.
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Lobster wrote:
John Rumm wrote:

I don't think I have ever put out a wheelie bin less than 3/4 full...
(shame we can't recycle cardboard in these parts, since I always end
up with a significant quantity of that)


Yes we have to do cardboard - we have seperate sacks for paper and
cardboard. Then they come round and empty both into the back of the same
truck. Go figure...

Well, it's possible that
(a) They are emptying into two separate compartments in the truck
(b) They are preparing for the day when they can do better paper
recycling but aren't there yet
(c) Something's gone wrong with the paper recycling they used to do
or
(d) It's an example of Blair-like joined-up thinking by 2 separate depts
in your council?

Douglas de Lacey

Douglas de Lacey wrote:
Lobster wrote:
John Rumm wrote:

I don't think I have ever put out a wheelie bin less than 3/4 full...
(shame we can't recycle cardboard in these parts, since I always end
up with a significant quantity of that)


Yes we have to do cardboard - we have seperate sacks for paper and
cardboard. Then they come round and empty both into the back of the
same truck. Go figure...

Well, it's possible that
(a) They are emptying into two separate compartments in the truck
(b) They are preparing for the day when they can do better paper
recycling but aren't there yet
(c) Something's gone wrong with the paper recycling they used to do
or
(d) It's an example of Blair-like joined-up thinking by 2 separate depts
in your council?

Certainly isn't (a) - but they do that with the our Recycling Box:
somebody goes through that item by item - bottles this way, cans that way.

Maybe they reckoned the local populace would rebel if they were
presented with yet another box... or maybe they'll phase another one in
later, once we've all stopped grumbling.

David

In article , Andy Hall wrote:

In effect, the local authority has halved the service by reducing the
collection frequency. Have they halved the amount of money collected
that relates to this part of their service? I very much doubt it.

Down here (Folkestone) our collections went to biweekly for the landfill
waste and we were all given a box and a bag for recycling. Tins and bottles
(plastic and glass) go in the box, paper and cardboard in the bag and
everything else goes in the wheely bin. If you ask them they give you another
bin for garden waste which goes to a local farm to be composted (annoyingly,
no food waste, peelings etc can go into this - something to do with dumping
food waste onto farm land apparantly). Box and bag are collected every week.

Not had a problem with maggots and we dump all sorts in there - including
meat waste (bones, scaps etc etc). The advice from the council was to ensure
that the lid was shut and then the flies can't get in and there isn't a problem.
In practice, this appears to work despite every ones concerns.

Also, we find that the two of us adults, a five year old and a two year old
copes with the wheely bin only being emptied once a fortnight - and that is
with disposable nappies going in it (yes, I know...)

Can begin to whiff a bit towards the end of the fortnight but as long as the
lid is shut then it is fine - only people I know around here who have had
problems have been overfilling the bin so the lid doesn't shut.

Did they poll their customers and ask if they were happy to have
collections only every two weeks? Who knows.

We didn't As I say, it's actualy worked out quite well despite our
concerns - the most annoying thing is that they dump down the instructions.
Plastic bottles can be recycled - plastic packaging can't. When I asked about
what types could and couldn't they admitted that a lot of packaging can but
it was too complicated to tell people how to identify them :-(

Either way, if they are going to reduce a service, they should ask the
customers first and provide an option to opt out. In other words, if
the general level of service is halved and I don't accept that, then
there should be an option not to pay and to go elsewhere for rubbish
collection.

not quite the case here - the landfill collections were halved but they added
the recycling ones at the same time. Of course, on the days where we have both
the recycling lorry always seems to meet the landfill truck in the middle of
our street heading in opposite directions...usually around the time the school
at the end of the road kicks out. traffic chaos...

Darren

The message
from (dmc) contains these words:

(annoyingly, no food waste, peelings etc can go into this - something
to do with dumping food waste onto farm land apparantly).

It's to help prevent another outbreak of foot and mouth, amongst other things.

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Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

On Sat, 12 Aug 06 20:11:09 GMT, (dmc) wrote:

In article , Andy Hall wrote:

In effect, the local authority has halved the service by reducing the
collection frequency. Have they halved the amount of money collected
that relates to this part of their service? I very much doubt it.

Down here (Folkestone) our collections went to biweekly for the landfill
waste and we were all given a box and a bag for recycling.

Around here we changed to wheelie bins about - oh, ten years ago. With
the previous system you weren't supposed to bin garden rubbish - lawn
clippings and so on. "Salvage" collection of separately gathered
newspapers went out decades ago. When wheelies came in you could
deposit (almost!) anything in them, including garden stuff.
Collections were still (as now) weekly. Smaller wheelie bins were
supplied to old folks' bungalows, mainly from the point of view of
manhandling by the folks themselves (previously the binmen would
collect the bin from the back garden if necessary!).
A few years ago the LA were criticised for lack of recycling, so a box
system was introduced for the deposit of paper, glass and tin cans;
collected every fortnight on the same day as the wheelie. Many people
didn't/don't use their box - loads of these have been squirrelled away
by builders etc for transporting rubble. These are emptied by a
private firm, as an agent for the LA.
More recently, the LA (still being nagged by the recycling police)
introduced an extra wheelie-bin for the deposit of garden refuse. Just
to confuse the issue, they call it a "Green-it" collection, using
brown wheelies, whereas the original wheelies are green in colour.
These are also emptied every fortnight (except in winter), on
alternate weeks to the recycling box. I think the "Green-it" bins are
only supplied to those who have gardens - terraced town houses don't
have much (if any) of a garden :-) There's still no problem putting
garden waste into the "normal" wheelie, which is just as well for me
when I have the occasional bash at the front and back lawns :-)

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Frank Erskine
Sunderland