The HSE is conducting a review of the domestic gas safety regulatory
framework.

Details here;

http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/domestic/progress.htm

They have appointed consultants to carry out the review and a
questionnaire is available for "stakeholders" (???) to submit their
views.

If you'd like to make your opinions known, the questionnaire is
available here;
http://www.frontline-consultants.com/

You need to click on the 'Review of Domestic Gas Safety Regulatory
Framework' button at the bottom of the page.

Completed questionnaires must be returned by Friday 30th June 2006 at
the latest.

I suspect pressure groups with a vested interest may be campaigning for
a complete ban on DIY gas work or the sale of gas appliances to
non-CORGI registered people or companies.

One question is; "Does 'DIY' gas installation represent a threat
to domestic gas safety?"

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Aidan wrote:
The HSE is conducting a review of the domestic gas safety regulatory
framework.

Details here;

http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/domestic/progress.htm

They have appointed consultants to carry out the review and a
questionnaire is available for "stakeholders" (???) to submit their
views.

If you'd like to make your opinions known, the questionnaire is
available here;
http://www.frontline-consultants.com/

You need to click on the 'Review of Domestic Gas Safety Regulatory
Framework' button at the bottom of the page.

Completed questionnaires must be returned by Friday 30th June 2006 at
the latest.

I suspect pressure groups with a vested interest may be campaigning
for a complete ban on DIY gas work or the sale of gas appliances to
non-CORGI registered people or companies.

One question is; "Does 'DIY' gas installation represent a threat
to domestic gas safety?"

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

I don't care. I'm aaf to do me 50 jobs for ACS and get CORGI'd up anyway ;-)

One question is; "Does 'DIY' gas installation represent a threat
to domestic gas safety?"

It's a loaded question.

Of course it does.

Just like drivers cause road accidents.

Th real question (along with Part P) should be, "Is there an
unacceptable number of accidents caused by DIY work?"

How would a CORGI installer know the answer to (either) question
anyway?

Only accident investigation statistics can tell if the problem is
significant.

Significant problem: Determine the best remedy -
education/regulation/inspection etc.

Insignificant problem: Do nothing.

wrote:
One question is; "Does 'DIY' gas installation represent a threat
to domestic gas safety?"

It's a loaded question.

I thought so.

Of course it does.

Not necessarily, (IMHO).

I think there will be pressure groups acting to ensure this heads in a
Part P type direction, closely followed by all plumbing installation.

wrote:
One question is; "Does 'DIY' gas installation represent a threat
to domestic gas safety?"


Who sparked off this particular HSE review ?

It's a loaded question.
Loaded questions are how surveyors get the results they want.


Of course it does.

Just like drivers cause road accidents.

Th real question (along with Part P) should be, "Is there an
unacceptable number of accidents caused by DIY work?"

How would a CORGI installer know the answer to (either) question
anyway?


The CORGI man may have seen (or claim to have seen) several DIY jobs
gone wrong that he has had to fix, and he will say so. But of course he
will only have seen the bad ones, the good ones he will not know is
DIY.

Only accident investigation statistics can tell if the problem is
significant.

Significant problem: Determine the best remedy -
education/regulation/inspection etc.

Insignificant problem: Do nothing.

Will the review be open enough to accept that there should be
competition for CORGI ?
I doubt it. And if there was a large DIY community contribution to the
survey, someone will say "oh no look at all the DIYers there's so many
the risk is too great blah blah".

Simon.

On 16 Jun 2006 02:11:44 -0700 Aidan wrote :
I suspect pressure groups with a vested interest may be campaigning
for a complete ban on DIY gas work or the sale of gas appliances to
non-CORGI registered people or companies.

The impression I get is that CORGI members believe in it whilst also
hating it for its empire-building tendencies. The latest PHAM News has as
its main story that NAPIT (National Association of Professional
Inspectors and Testers) is applying to HSE to become an alternative body
for gas safety and one of its non-execs is a former CORGI CEO.

The MD of CORGI says "it is highly likely that multiple schemes will
result in an increase in deaths from CO poisoning". MRD again

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

On 16 Jun 2006 03:32:47 -0700 Sm_jamieson wrote :
The CORGI man may have seen (or claim to have seen) several
DIY jobs gone wrong that he has had to fix, and he will say so.

And if he does Landlord Safety Checks he's probably seen more than a
few 'professional' ones that does meet the mark - Ed?


--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk

The message . com
from " contains these words:

Th real question (along with Part P) should be, "Is there an
unacceptable number of accidents caused by DIY work?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-risk_bias

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

The message
from Tony Bryer contains these words:

The MD of CORGI says "it is highly likely that multiple schemes will
result in an increase in deaths from CO poisoning". MRD again

Wonder what they base that on.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
On 16 Jun 2006 02:11:44 -0700 Aidan wrote :
I suspect pressure groups with a vested interest may be campaigning
for a complete ban on DIY gas work or the sale of gas appliances to
non-CORGI registered people or companies.

The impression I get is that CORGI members believe in it whilst also
hating it for its empire-building tendencies. The latest PHAM News has as
its main story that NAPIT (National Association of Professional
Inspectors and Testers) is applying to HSE to become an alternative body
for gas safety and one of its non-execs is a former CORGI CEO.

The MD of CORGI says "it is highly likely that multiple schemes will
result in an increase in deaths from CO poisoning". MRD again

CORGI is NOT a gas safety body. It is a "registration authority". It
registers operatives to work on gas when they meet a criteria. The only
safety body is HSE.

Corgi members believe that Corgi:

1. Writes the gas safety standards
2. Writes the gas regulations
3. Is the ultimate authority on gas installations
4. Is the ultimate authority on gas safety

It is none of the above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-risk_bias

Very interesting reference, I'll remember that one. We see it all over
the place, but I didn't realise it had a specific name.

Doctor Drivel wrote:
"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
On 16 Jun 2006 02:11:44 -0700 Aidan wrote :
I suspect pressure groups with a vested interest may be campaigning
for a complete ban on DIY gas work or the sale of gas appliances to
non-CORGI registered people or companies.

The impression I get is that CORGI members believe in it whilst also
hating it for its empire-building tendencies. The latest PHAM News
has as its main story that NAPIT (National Association of
Professional Inspectors and Testers) is applying to HSE to become an
alternative body for gas safety and one of its non-execs is a former
CORGI CEO.

The MD of CORGI says "it is highly likely that multiple schemes will
result in an increase in deaths from CO poisoning". MRD again

CORGI is NOT a gas safety body. It is a "registration authority". It
registers operatives to work on gas when they meet a criteria. The
only safety body is HSE.

Corgi members believe that Corgi:

1. Writes the gas safety standards
2. Writes the gas regulations
3. Is the ultimate authority on gas installations
4. Is the ultimate authority on gas safety

It is none of the above.

agreed, but they are striving to get control of all of the above ;-)

The message .com
from " contains these words:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-risk_bias

Very interesting reference, I'll remember that one. We see it all over
the place, but I didn't realise it had a specific name.

But wait, there's more....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Matt wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:21:10 GMT, "." wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:

CORGI is NOT a gas safety body. It is a "registration authority".
It registers operatives to work on gas when they meet a criteria.
The only safety body is HSE.

Corgi members believe that Corgi:

1. Writes the gas safety standards
2. Writes the gas regulations
3. Is the ultimate authority on gas installations
4. Is the ultimate authority on gas safety

It is none of the above.

agreed, but they are striving to get control of all of the above ;-)

Do bears **** in the woods?



only if there's a convenient rabbit or a pope with which to wipe afterwards

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:21:10 GMT, "." wrote:

Doctor Drivel wrote:

CORGI is NOT a gas safety body. It is a "registration authority". It
registers operatives to work on gas when they meet a criteria. The
only safety body is HSE.

Corgi members believe that Corgi:

1. Writes the gas safety standards
2. Writes the gas regulations
3. Is the ultimate authority on gas installations
4. Is the ultimate authority on gas safety

It is none of the above.

agreed, but they are striving to get control of all of the above ;-)

Do bears **** in the woods?



--

Only accident investigation statistics can tell if the problem is
significant.

Lies and dammed lies


Insignificant problem: Do nothing.

Make it Part P !!

Dave

sm_jamieson wrote:

The CORGI man may have seen (or claim to have seen) several DIY jobs
gone wrong that he has had to fix, and he will say so. But of course he
will only have seen the bad ones, the good ones he will not know is
DIY.

Or better yet, any duff job he sees will be assumed to be down to a
DIY-er rather than an incompetent pro.

David

In message , Guy King
writes
The message
from Tony Bryer contains these words:

The MD of CORGI says "it is highly likely that multiple schemes will
result in an increase in deaths from CO poisoning". MRD again

Wonder what they base that on.

A catalytic reaction which occurs when a gas fitter exhales

--
geoff

Guy King wrote:
The message
.com from
" contains these words:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-risk_bias

Very interesting reference, I'll remember that one. We see it
all over the place, but I didn't realise it had a specific name.

But wait, there's more....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Thanks for that - a fascinating read!

The message
from "Steve Walker" contains these words:

But wait, there's more....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Thanks for that - a fascinating read!

And how many do you do? There's a few in there I probably /don't/ do -
and that's all I'm saying.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.