Hello all

We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent out. It
doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was going to ask an
electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have heard that card meters
are best as the coin meters can be broken into. Does anyone have any
experience with these meters or any advice to offer regarding which brand I
should go for or where I can buy them from a reputable dealer in the UK?
Links would be greatly appreciated.

What should I expect to pay for the meters?
What should fitting cost?
Do I need to comply with any specific laws or notify any bodies when I fit
these?

Any other advice / do's & don'ts would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Haymish

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Haymish wrote:
Hello all

We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent out. It
doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was going to ask an
electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have heard that card meters
are best as the coin meters can be broken into. Does anyone have any
experience with these meters or any advice to offer regarding which brand I
should go for or where I can buy them from a reputable dealer in the UK?
Links would be greatly appreciated.

What should I expect to pay for the meters?
What should fitting cost?
Do I need to comply with any specific laws or notify any bodies when I fit
these?


It's been discussed acouple of times recently. One thing is that you
are not allowed to charge more than you pay for the leccy.

MBQ

wrote:
Haymish wrote:
Hello all

We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent
out. It doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was
going to ask an electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have
heard that card meters are best as the coin meters can be broken
into. Does anyone have any experience with these meters or any
advice to offer regarding which brand I should go for or where I can
buy them from a reputable dealer in the UK? Links would be greatly
appreciated.

What should I expect to pay for the meters?
What should fitting cost?
Do I need to comply with any specific laws or notify any bodies when
I fit these?


It's been discussed acouple of times recently. One thing is that you
are not allowed to charge more than you pay for the leccy.

MBQ

Thanks MBQ but I have searched via google and can't seem to find posts that
relate to my situation. There's plenty of would someone point me in the
right duirection or give a brief summary? Many thanks, Haymish

Haymish wrote:
We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent out.

I assume you mean "which we're going to let".

It
doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was going to ask an
electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have heard that card meters
are best as the coin meters can be broken into. Does anyone have any
experience with these meters or any advice to offer regarding which brand I
should go for or where I can buy them from a reputable dealer in the UK?
Links would be greatly appreciated.

Is this meter going to be fitted to the gas supply downstream
of your meter?

Chris Bacon wrote:
Haymish wrote:
We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent
out.

I assume you mean "which we're going to let".

It
doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was going to
ask an electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have heard
that card meters are best as the coin meters can be broken into.
Does anyone have any experience with these meters or any advice to
offer regarding which brand I should go for or where I can buy them
from a reputable dealer in the UK? Links would be greatly
appreciated.

Is this meter going to be fitted to the gas supply downstream
of your meter?

Yes. Does this make a difference?

Haymish

"Haymish" wrote in message
o.uk...
Hello all

We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent out.
It doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was going to ask
an electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have heard that card
meters are best as the coin meters can be broken into.

A while back there were a lot of stolen cards going about. Which meant when
the meter came to be read, the amount bought on the official card didn't
tally up with the amount put through the meter!! A lot of questions would
then have to be answered!!

I'm not sure if this has since been resolved but just so you are aware that
the card system isn't full proof.

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:09:19 -0000, Dontcha wrote:

It doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was going to
ask an electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have heard that
card meters are best as the coin meters can be broken into.

A while back there were a lot of stolen cards going about. Which meant
when the meter came to be read, the amount bought on the official card
didn't tally up with the amount put through the meter!!

Strikes me as anything above a normal meter is technology for
technologies sake. Part of the lease would be to set the rates for gas
and electric(*) and the payment interval, on credit or in advance. When a
new tenant comes in your read the meters together and record those
figures. Then every interval you do the same and calculate a bill as
set out in the terms of the lease.

(*)I find it hard to believe you can't charge more for electricity than
you pay. What about any standing charge? I can understand the reasoning
to stop the rip off rates of the past (20p/unit touch) but charging 0.5
or 1p/unit more covers your standing charge and costs of supply
maintenace etc.

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Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:09:19 -0000, Dontcha wrote:

It doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was going to
ask an electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have heard that
card meters are best as the coin meters can be broken into.

A while back there were a lot of stolen cards going about. Which meant
when the meter came to be read, the amount bought on the official card
didn't tally up with the amount put through the meter!!

Strikes me as anything above a normal meter is technology for
technologies sake. Part of the lease would be to set the rates for gas
and electric(*) and the payment interval, on credit or in advance. When a
new tenant comes in your read the meters together and record those
figures. Then every interval you do the same and calculate a bill as
set out in the terms of the lease.

(*)I find it hard to believe you can't charge more for electricity than
you pay. What about any standing charge? I can understand the reasoning
to stop the rip off rates of the past (20p/unit touch) but charging 0.5
or 1p/unit more covers your standing charge and costs of supply
maintenace etc.

http://www.ofgas.gov.uk/temp/ofgem/c...h/1787_mrp.pdf

You can charge a proportionate amount of the standing charge but it is
illegal to charge more then the maximum resale price for the actual gas
or electricity, which is currently the price you buy at.

MBQ

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:09:19 -0000, Dontcha wrote:

It doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was going to
ask an electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have heard
that card meters are best as the coin meters can be broken into.

A while back there were a lot of stolen cards going about. Which
meant when the meter came to be read, the amount bought on the
official card didn't tally up with the amount put through the meter!!

Strikes me as anything above a normal meter is technology for
technologies sake. Part of the lease would be to set the rates for gas
and electric(*) and the payment interval, on credit or in advance.
When a new tenant comes in your read the meters together and record
those figures. Then every interval you do the same and calculate a
bill as set out in the terms of the lease.


We may end up renting the house and the annexe so need a way to bill each
party the appropriate amount. The annexe is currently fed from the same
supply as the house. We do not have separate meters in the annexe so we
can't work out the useage.


(*)I find it hard to believe you can't charge more for electricity
than you pay. What about any standing charge? I can understand the
reasoning to stop the rip off rates of the past (20p/unit touch) but
charging 0.5 or 1p/unit more covers your standing charge and costs of
supply maintenace etc.

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:36:13 GMT, Haymish wrote:

We may end up renting the house and the annexe so need a way to bill
each party the appropriate amount. The annexe is currently fed from the
same supply as the house. We do not have separate meters in the annexe
so we can't work out the useage.

Eh? I thought you where asking about meters for the annex? Bung a meter
in the supply to the annex and then it is simple maths:

house useage for period = total consumption for period - annex
consumption for period

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Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Haymish wrote:
Hello all

We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent
out. It doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was
going to ask an electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have
heard that card meters are best as the coin meters can be broken
into. Does anyone have any experience with these meters or any advice
to offer regarding which brand I should go for or where I can buy
them from a reputable dealer in the UK? Links would be greatly
appreciated.

What should I expect to pay for the meters?
What should fitting cost?
Do I need to comply with any specific laws or notify any bodies when
I fit these?

Any other advice / do's & don'ts would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Haymish

Isn't this selling on a consumers product, which is illegal?

--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite

"The3rd Earl Of Derby" wrote in message
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Haymish wrote:

We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent
out. It doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was
going to ask an electrician / plumber to install card meters.

snip

Isn't this selling on a consumers product, which is illegal?

What exactly do you mean? Which law are you on about?

--
Albert

The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Haymish wrote:
Hello all

We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent
out. It doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was
going to ask an electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have
heard that card meters are best as the coin meters can be broken
into. Does anyone have any experience with these meters or any advice
to offer regarding which brand I should go for or where I can buy
them from a reputable dealer in the UK? Links would be greatly
appreciated.

What should I expect to pay for the meters?
What should fitting cost?
Do I need to comply with any specific laws or notify any bodies when
I fit these?

Any other advice / do's & don'ts would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Haymish

Isn't this selling on a consumers product, which is illegal?

What is a "consumers product"? No, it's not illegal.

MBQ

"Haymish" wrote in message
o.uk...
Hello all

We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent out.
It doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was going to ask
an electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have heard that card
meters are best as the coin meters can be broken into. Does anyone have
any experience with these meters or any advice to offer regarding which
brand I should go for or where I can buy them from a reputable dealer in
the UK? Links would be greatly appreciated.

What should I expect to pay for the meters?
What should fitting cost?
Do I need to comply with any specific laws or notify any bodies when I fit
these?

Any other advice / do's & don'ts would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Haymish

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You just need a sub-meter for the gas - I'd start by calling your gas
supplier, I think Transco fit them (or one of their contractors). I guess
its a similar situation for the leccy.

Angus

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:23:52 -0000, "Fentoozler" nospam@mapson wrote:

"Haymish" wrote in message
. co.uk...
Hello all

We have an annexe attached to our house which we were going to rent out.
It doesn't have it's own gas or electricity supply so I was going to ask
an electrician / plumber to install card meters. I have heard that card
meters are best as the coin meters can be broken into. Does anyone have
any experience with these meters or any advice to offer regarding which
brand I should go for or where I can buy them from a reputable dealer in
the UK? Links would be greatly appreciated.

What should I expect to pay for the meters?
What should fitting cost?
Do I need to comply with any specific laws or notify any bodies when I fit
these?

Any other advice / do's & don'ts would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Haymish

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You just need a sub-meter for the gas - I'd start by calling your gas
supplier, I think Transco fit them (or one of their contractors). I guess
its a similar situation for the leccy.

Angus

Transco only fit primary meters AFAIK. You can just buy a secondary
meter from many plumbers merchants these days. Getting hold of a card
meter to use as a secondary meter might be a tricky propositoin. I
mean,there is the Quantum system as used by the various gas suppliers
but this isnt available over the counter to joe public. Of course you
could have a new gas service installed to the property and then
request to have a Quantum meter fitted.



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