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Earth on metal light switches?
I live in a modern house that was built 7 years ago and we had a loft
extension built a couple of years ago. We are in the process of re-decorating the loft and decided that chrome plated flat sockets and light switches would complement the modern look we were trying to achieve. The fittings were ordered and received but I noticed that the light switches have earth connectors and a label saying "This metal plate must be earthed using the terminal marked earth". On closer examination of my light switches, they don't appear to have earth cables, just a live and switched live wire! The ceiling roses do have earth connections but this earth isn't taken to the switches. I know from experience that this isn't unusual and is the way that the last three new houses I have lived in were wired. Is it necessary for me to run an earth cable from the ceiling rose to the light switch in order to fit these new metal boxes? Could you also help me with the definition of a lug. Another label on the switch says "If a 4 lug mounting box is used, the top & bottom lugs must be bent fully back". Is the lug the thing in the mounting bot that the screws screw into? I'm fairly sure it is but I'm not sure why you would ever get 4 in a mounting box. Because the light switches are fitted to plaster board walls in the loft, plastic mounting boxes have been used which have the adjustable fixings i.e. they pull tight onto the plaster board when the switch fitting is screwed on. Thanks in advance for guidance on earthing the metal switches. |
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Ignore my question about the lug I have determined that my
understanding is correct. I guess you might get 4 lugs in a metal mounting box that is meant to be used in solid walls, and as I recall these can be bent back flat so that they don't get in the way of the fitting. |
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In article .com,
Milleniumaire wrote: On closer examination of my light switches, they don't appear to have earth cables, just a live and switched live wire! The ceiling roses do have earth connections but this earth isn't taken to the switches. I know from experience that this isn't unusual and is the way that the last three new houses I have lived in were wired. I'm not quite sure when lighting earths throughout the circuit became mandatory, but I'd say it was more than 7 years ago. My house has them and it was re-wired in '74... And of course the one at the switch is perhaps the most important if using metal plate switches. Is it necessary for me to run an earth cable from the ceiling rose to the light switch in order to fit these new metal boxes? If this is easy, then simply change the cable to TW&E. Although you'll probably find it already is - but with the ECC cut off. Twin without earth really hasn't been readily available for many a year. But if the house is 7 years old, still under warranty? Might be worth pursuing this. Could you also help me with the definition of a lug. Another label on the switch says "If a 4 lug mounting box is used, the top & bottom lugs must be bent fully back". Is the lug the thing in the mounting bot that the screws screw into? Yes. I'm fairly sure it is but I'm not sure why you would ever get 4 in a mounting box. Some accessories have vertically aligned screws - although not so common these days. Because the light switches are fitted to plaster board walls in the loft, plastic mounting boxes have been used which have the adjustable fixings i.e. they pull tight onto the plaster board when the switch fitting is screwed on. They're called dry lining boxes, and I've not seen these with four lugs. -- *Many people quit looking for work when they find a job * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Milleniumaire" wrote in message oups.com... I live in a modern house that was built 7 years ago and we had a loft extension built a couple of years ago. We are in the process of re-decorating the loft and decided that chrome plated flat sockets and light switches would complement the modern look we were trying to achieve. The fittings were ordered and received but I noticed that the light switches have earth connectors and a label saying "This metal plate must be earthed using the terminal marked earth". On closer examination of my light switches, they don't appear to have earth cables, just a live and switched live wire! I didn't think you could buy house wiring cable without an earth wire 7 years ago. Before WWII possibly. If its grey coloured T&E the bare earth wire may be just cut back and not easily visible. bland |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" writes: In article .com, Milleniumaire wrote: On closer examination of my light switches, they don't appear to have earth cables, just a live and switched live wire! The ceiling roses do have earth connections but this earth isn't taken to the switches. I know from experience that this isn't unusual and is the way that the last three new houses I have lived in were wired. I'm not quite sure when lighting earths throughout the circuit became mandatory, but I'd say it was more than 7 years ago. My house has them and In the 1960's I think. it was re-wired in '74... My parents' house, wired in 1950's has earths in the switch drop wires, so they were fitted even before they were mandatory in some cases. And of course the one at the switch is perhaps the most important if using metal plate switches. Yes, you mustn't use them without being earthed. -- Andrew Gabriel |
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Milleniumaire formulated on Sunday :
I live in a modern house that was built 7 years ago and we had a loft extension built a couple of years ago. We are in the process of re-decorating the loft and decided that chrome plated flat sockets and light switches would complement the modern look we were trying to achieve. Something does not quite ring true with the above. The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. If the place was built just 7 years ago, then certainly there should be earth points at the switches. If there aren't, then you should be chasing the builder to chase the original installer. The fittings were ordered and received but I noticed that the light switches have earth connectors and a label saying "This metal plate must be earthed using the terminal marked earth". They should not be installed until you have the earths sorted out. On closer examination of my light switches, they don't appear to have earth cables, just a live and switched live wire! The ceiling roses do have earth connections but this earth isn't taken to the switches. I know from experience that this isn't unusual and is the way that the last three new houses I have lived in were wired. Then they must have been wired a very long time ago and would be well over due for rewireing. Is it necessary for me to run an earth cable from the ceiling rose to the light switch in order to fit these new metal boxes? Obsolutely, though you may well find that the earths have been cut off at the point the cable enters the switch. This was a common practise when the earth was first introduced and not needed. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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on 27/11/2005, bland supposed :
I didn't think you could buy house wiring cable without an earth wire 7 years ago. Before WWII possibly. If its grey coloured T&E the bare earth wire may be just cut back and not easily visible. I think singles grey sheathed no earth, was available until quite recently and perhaps still is (?). -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
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"Milleniumaire" wrote in message
oups.com... I live in a modern house that was built 7 years ago and we had a loft extension built a couple of years ago. We are in the process of re-decorating the loft and decided that chrome plated flat sockets and light switches would complement the modern look we were trying to achieve. The fittings were ordered and received but I noticed that the light switches have earth connectors and a label saying "This metal plate must be earthed using the terminal marked earth". On closer examination of my light switches, they don't appear to have earth cables, just a live and switched live wire! The ceiling roses do have earth connections but this earth isn't taken to the switches. I know from experience that this isn't unusual and is the way that the last three new houses I have lived in were wired. Is it necessary for me to run an earth cable from the ceiling rose to the light switch in order to fit these new metal boxes? Could you also help me with the definition of a lug. Another label on the switch says "If a 4 lug mounting box is used, the top & bottom lugs must be bent fully back". Is the lug the thing in the mounting bot that the screws screw into? I'm fairly sure it is but I'm not sure why you would ever get 4 in a mounting box. Because the light switches are fitted to plaster board walls in the loft, plastic mounting boxes have been used which have the adjustable fixings i.e. they pull tight onto the plaster board when the switch fitting is screwed on. Thanks in advance for guidance on earthing the metal switches. Wow! Any exposed metalwork or metal-clad boxes (and linkage to their removable metal panels fitted with: mains switches, sockets, spur outlets, etc) must be bonded all the way to a good supply Earth. It's Common sense, it's the electricity regulations, and it's the law. This neglect could possibly nullify insurance claims, too. You could unbodge it safely by just running green PVC-covered braided 1.5sq mm copper wire from your reliable earth busbar (or from your ceiling rose if it is truly earthed) -hidden hopefully- to the exposed metal lighting-switch boxes and panels, and anything similar that is not yet earthed, or, to do it properly, you would have to rewire any such item with correct gauges of twin and earth (may have either the old or the new colours) and you will need 15A braided and green & yellow sleeving for the box-to-panel linkages. Before rewiring.... Make sure you have a good torch or secondary lighting, and kill the area mains supply!! Jim |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote: Obsolutely, though you may well find that the earths have been cut off at the point the cable enters the switch. This was a common practise when the earth was first introduced and not needed. I've seen this done where there was a metal box with earth terminal. Must have saved a minute per switch. -- *Happiness is seeing your mother-in-law on a milk carton Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Milleniumaire wrote:
On closer examination of my light switches, they don't appear to have earth cables, just a live and switched live wire! The ceiling roses do have earth connections but this earth isn't taken to the switches. I know from experience that this isn't unusual and is the way that the last three new houses I have lived in were wired. Are the cables run through metal conduit which provides an earth? That is how the earthing for most of the sockets and switches in my flat is done - there is no seperate cable for those fittings. Alex |
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"Alex" wrote in message
... Milleniumaire wrote: On closer examination of my light switches, they don't appear to have earth cables, just a live and switched live wire! The ceiling roses do have earth connections but this earth isn't taken to the switches. I know from experience that this isn't unusual and is the way that the last three new houses I have lived in were wired. Are the cables run through metal conduit which provides an earth? That is how the earthing for most of the sockets and switches in my flat is done - there is no seperate cable for those fittings. Alex The UK Electricity Regs were updated by the newer edition over15 years ago from allowing just (proven unreliable) conduit continuity for earthing to stipulating a third wire to radiate from true earth in the consumer unit (or mains supply entry) to any outlet or power device, be it daisy-chained along a ring-main or at the end of a spur. As far as I know, only pendant incandescent lampholders, ES or Bayonet, made from thermoplastic are exempt from the 3rd installation wire. Steel via Conduit and sunken /surface boxes is used for its physical and sometimes EMI protection. Alex, I would seriously ask you and/or the owners of the whole block of flats to have system earth-loop resistance testing and any necessary corrective safety measures done. If it cares at all about the risks of preventable accidental death, what does your buildings insurer say? Jim |
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"etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. If the place was built just 7 years ago, then certainly there should be earth points at the switches. If there aren't, then you should be chasing the builder to chase the original installer. Sniped Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about |
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. If the place was built just 7 years ago, then certainly there should be earth points at the switches. If there aren't, then you should be chasing the builder to chase the original installer. Sniped Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. -- Beav OMF#19 VN 750 Zed Thou mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes) |
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Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks |
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Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? -- ah |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01,
ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. -- Frightener of Cloven-Hooved Ruminants! - owl tuna at hot mail dot com |
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Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. -- ah |
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"ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. -- Beav OMF#19 VN 750 Zed Thou mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes) |
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Beav wrote:
"ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86068870249151 Don't underestimate our willingness to enforce The Rule. -- ah |
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"etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message .. . "Beav" verbally sodomised in : "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. He's going to send a dossier of the offenders posts to his headmaster. -- Phil KyleT SPAMCOP thinks posting to multi NG's is Spam....................! Perhaps you could take it on yourself to educate them I think you need educating as well |
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"etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed verbally sodomised in : "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message .. . "Beav" verbally sodomised in : "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. He's going to send a dossier of the offenders posts to his headmaster. -- Phil KyleT SPAMCOP thinks posting to multi NG's is Spam....................! Perhaps you could take it on yourself to educate them There are a few problems with that statement. One is you haven't specified whether you mean multi-posting or crossposting. Secondly, the spamcop site doesn't actually say that posting to multiple NG's is spam, thus your statement is untrue. Thirdly, you are an idiot if you trust a single source for your information without question or corroboration with other sources. HTH Phil KyleT One......Multi posting (as stated) and Two.....you are wrong they do (Not the site - but in correspondence) Ask Spamcop. What other sources are needed to corrobarate the statement. Look to oneself before decrying others...... Join AAAA Why? |
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"etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed verbally sodomised in : "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed verbally sodomised in : "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message .. . "Beav" verbally sodomised in : "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. He's going to send a dossier of the offenders posts to his headmaster. -- Phil KyleT SPAMCOP thinks posting to multi NG's is Spam....................! Perhaps you could take it on yourself to educate them There are a few problems with that statement. One is you haven't specified whether you mean multi-posting or crossposting. Secondly, the spamcop site doesn't actually say that posting to multiple NG's is spam, thus your statement is untrue. Thirdly, you are an idiot if you trust a single source for your information without question or corroboration with other sources. HTH Phil KyleT One......Multi posting (as stated) and You didn't state multi-posting, you said posting to multiple newsgroups. Posting to multiple newsgroups could be both multi-posting and crossposting. Two.....you are wrong they do (Not the site - but in correspondence) Ask Spamcop. In other words you can't back up what you said with any sort of proof. I'm not asking them, it's your job to back up what you said. What other sources are needed to corrobarate the statement. The statement that posting to multiple groups is spam needs to be backed up by other sources, other than spamcop. Would you ask one person in the UK if they liked fish and when they said "yes", claim everyone in Britain likes fish? -- Phil KyleT But, But ah! but quote "SPAMCOP thinks posting to multi NG's is Spam" I did state that Spamcop etc etc you are trying to miss quote me and I did think that such an eloquent person such as you might, with your obvious charm try and re-educate them.. How wrong was I. Whh on earth did you bother to send this? |
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"etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed verbally sodomised in : "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed verbally sodomised in : "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed verbally sodomised in : "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message .. . "Beav" verbally sodomised in : "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. He's going to send a dossier of the offenders posts to his headmaster. -- Phil KyleT SPAMCOP thinks posting to multi NG's is Spam....................! Perhaps you could take it on yourself to educate them There are a few problems with that statement. One is you haven't specified whether you mean multi-posting or crossposting. Secondly, the spamcop site doesn't actually say that posting to multiple NG's is spam, thus your statement is untrue. Thirdly, you are an idiot if you trust a single source for your information without question or corroboration with other sources. HTH Phil KyleT One......Multi posting (as stated) and You didn't state multi-posting, you said posting to multiple newsgroups. Posting to multiple newsgroups could be both multi-posting and crossposting. Two.....you are wrong they do (Not the site - but in correspondence) Ask Spamcop. In other words you can't back up what you said with any sort of proof. I'm not asking them, it's your job to back up what you said. What other sources are needed to corrobarate the statement. The statement that posting to multiple groups is spam needs to be backed up by other sources, other than spamcop. Would you ask one person in the UK if they liked fish and when they said "yes", claim everyone in Britain likes fish? -- Phil KyleT But, But ah! but quote "SPAMCOP thinks posting to multi NG's is Spam" I did state that Spamcop etc etc you are trying to miss quote me and I did think that such an eloquent person such as you might, with your obvious charm try and re-educate them.. How wrong was I. I'm not trying to misquote you, I think I've just misinterpreted your original post. I thought you were arguing for spamcops position. Sorry. -- Apology accepted......no hard feelings ..made life interesting...now how about it...? Any time you like! |
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"etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed verbally sodomised in : "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed verbally sodomised in : "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed verbally sodomised in : "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed verbally sodomised in : "Phillip Kyle" wrote in message .. . "Beav" verbally sodomised in : "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. He's going to send a dossier of the offenders posts to his headmaster. -- Phil KyleT SPAMCOP thinks posting to multi NG's is Spam....................! Perhaps you could take it on yourself to educate them There are a few problems with that statement. One is you haven't specified whether you mean multi-posting or crossposting. Secondly, the spamcop site doesn't actually say that posting to multiple NG's is spam, thus your statement is untrue. Thirdly, you are an idiot if you trust a single source for your information without question or corroboration with other sources. HTH Phil KyleT One......Multi posting (as stated) and You didn't state multi-posting, you said posting to multiple newsgroups. Posting to multiple newsgroups could be both multi-posting and crossposting. Two.....you are wrong they do (Not the site - but in correspondence) Ask Spamcop. In other words you can't back up what you said with any sort of proof. I'm not asking them, it's your job to back up what you said. What other sources are needed to corrobarate the statement. The statement that posting to multiple groups is spam needs to be backed up by other sources, other than spamcop. Would you ask one person in the UK if they liked fish and when they said "yes", claim everyone in Britain likes fish? -- Phil KyleT But, But ah! but quote "SPAMCOP thinks posting to multi NG's is Spam" I did state that Spamcop etc etc you are trying to miss quote me and I did think that such an eloquent person such as you might, with your obvious charm try and re-educate them.. How wrong was I. I'm not trying to misquote you, I think I've just misinterpreted your original post. I thought you were arguing for spamcops position. Sorry. -- Apology accepted......no hard feelings ..made life interesting...now how about it...? Sorry, I'm spoken for. Then you cannot have the brains or balls for it............ A bit like you! |
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:25:46 GMT, ah wrote:
Beav wrote: "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86068870249151 Don't underestimate our willingness to enforce The Rule. Considering that most of those people in the video can't hit the broadside of a barn, the threat seems a bit empty. -- Turby the Turbosurfer |
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Turby wrote:
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:25:46 GMT, ah wrote: Beav wrote: "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86068870249151 Don't underestimate our willingness to enforce The Rule. Considering that most of those people in the video can't hit the broadside of a barn, the threat seems a bit empty. Sheer numbers should do. -- ah |
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I had another look at a couple of switches and now that it has been
brought to my attention I have found the earth core. In one light switch it was cut back so that it couldn't be seen without moving the sleeve. Fortunately, there was enough slack in the cable to allow me to cut it back. In other switches I found that the earth cable was wrapped back around the cable and I just hadn't seen it. So, thanks to your help and advice I have now successfully (and correctly) wired up the new metal switches and sockets. Regards. Paul. |
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In article . com,
Milleniumaire wrote: I had another look at a couple of switches and now that it has been brought to my attention I have found the earth core. In one light switch it was cut back so that it couldn't be seen without moving the sleeve. Fortunately, there was enough slack in the cable to allow me to cut it back. In other switches I found that the earth cable was wrapped back around the cable and I just hadn't seen it. So, thanks to your help and advice I have now successfully (and correctly) wired up the new metal switches and sockets. Result. ;-) -- *Born free...Taxed to death. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"ah" wrote in message news:_gfkf.3867$SY.1992@trnddc06... Beav wrote: "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86068870249151 Don't underestimate our willingness to enforce The Rule. A bunch of "Whooo, whooo's" and a little kid. The amount of intellignece at that place has no beginning. -- Beav OMF#19 VN 750 Zed Thou mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes) |
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"ah" wrote in message news:V9Llf.17427$SY.11032@trnddc06... Turby wrote: On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:25:46 GMT, ah wrote: Beav wrote: "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86068870249151 Don't underestimate our willingness to enforce The Rule. Considering that most of those people in the video can't hit the broadside of a barn, the threat seems a bit empty. Sheer numbers should do. Just hope to **** those numbers aren't anything to do with IQ eh? -- Beav OMF#19 VN 750 Zed Thou mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes) |
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Beav wrote:
"ah" wrote in message news:V9Llf.17427$SY.11032@trnddc06... Turby wrote: On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:25:46 GMT, ah wrote: Beav wrote: "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86068870249151 Don't underestimate our willingness to enforce The Rule. Considering that most of those people in the video can't hit the broadside of a barn, the threat seems a bit empty. Sheer numbers should do. Just hope to **** those numbers aren't anything to do with IQ eh? 1+1=3.5, Bruce. -- ah |
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Beav wrote:
"ah" wrote in message news:_gfkf.3867$SY.1992@trnddc06... Beav wrote: "ah" wrote in message news:RyNjf.5598$3x2.1507@trnddc07... Big Mouth Billy Bass wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:32:46 GMT, via 2Wvjf.1094$fY3.433@trnddc01, ah spake thusly: Rob Kleinschmidt wrote: Beav wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "etomd" nospam@bed wrote in message ... Snipped The provision of earths at both lighting points and switches became a requirement IMHO back in the late 60's/ early 70's. Green/yellow sleeving appeared sometime after that. Join AAAA Eh? What the hell are you talking about Ground wires, obviously. Ground... Earth.... same tihng. Which still doesn't excuse the fact that this is an off topic posting in rec.motorcycles. Please don't let it happen again. thanks Why are you posting this in demon.local? Because it's off-topic. I would have thought that that was obvious. You'll not be warned again. What's going to happen? Are yu going to seek him out and slap his legs? I demand jpegs at least, but a vid would be better. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...86068870249151 Don't underestimate our willingness to enforce The Rule. A bunch of "Whooo, whooo's" and a little kid. The amount of intellignece at that place has no beginning. You should experience their urban areas sometime. -- ah |
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