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Followup: Roof insulation materials
My roof has no insulation at all and I have been looking at the
options. On the open market the eco friendly products like sheepswool batts are seven times the price of glass fibre. I'd be prepared to pay a small premium but that is too much for my bank balance to bear The government is giving grants for insulating old houses so I booked a survey to get a price with grant included and to pick the brains of the surveyor He has just been to visit and the outcome is that sheepswool is still much more expensive even with the grant. He says that his company priced up the sheepswool option for a client and the cost to his company was 4.5 times what they sell glass fibre for. Add on his company's markup and the cost to me is heading towards 7 times The good news is that material and labour for installing ten inches of insulation in my attic, plus cavity wall insulation in the 1976 extension will cost me just £225 (three bedroom house) Anna ~~ Anna Kettle, Suffolk, England |""""| ~ Lime plaster repairs / ^^ \ // Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc |____| www.kettlenet.co.uk 01359 230642 |
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In article , Anna Kettle
writes My roof has no insulation at all and I have been looking at the options. On the open market the eco friendly products like sheepswool batts are seven times the price of glass fibre. I'd be prepared to pay a small premium but that is too much for my bank balance to bear The government is giving grants for insulating old houses so I booked a survey to get a price with grant included and to pick the brains of the surveyor He has just been to visit and the outcome is that sheepswool is still much more expensive even with the grant. He says that his company priced up the sheepswool option for a client and the cost to his company was 4.5 times what they sell glass fibre for. Add on his company's markup and the cost to me is heading towards 7 times The good news is that material and labour for installing ten inches of insulation in my attic, plus cavity wall insulation in the 1976 extension will cost me just £225 (three bedroom house) Anna ~~ Anna Kettle, Suffolk, England |""""| ~ Lime plaster repairs / ^^ \ // Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc |____| www.kettlenet.co.uk 01359 230642 What's so "not" ecologically sound about fibre glass?..... -- Tony Sayer |
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"Anna Kettle" wrote in message ... My roof has no insulation at all and I have been looking at the options. On the open market the eco friendly products like sheepswool batts are seven times the price of glass fibre. I'd be prepared to pay a small premium but that is too much for my bank balance to bear The government is giving grants for insulating old houses so I booked a survey to get a price with grant included and to pick the brains of the surveyor He has just been to visit and the outcome is that sheepswool is still much more expensive even with the grant. He says that his company priced up the sheepswool option for a client and the cost to his company was 4.5 times what they sell glass fibre for. Add on his company's markup and the cost to me is heading towards 7 times The good news is that material and labour for installing ten inches of insulation in my attic, plus cavity wall insulation in the 1976 extension will cost me just £225 (three bedroom house) Go for Rockwool, not galss fibre. Make the ceiling air-tight before installtion and lay a well fitting vapour barrier. Make sure the loft lid is sealed too. |
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"Rick" wrote in message ... Sheeps wool is 100 pence a flease from the farmer, if you want some drop me an email. Its nautrally waterproof, and bug proof. Not bug-proof. I imagine all you need to do is get the sh1t out of it, which of cource is a haven for nasties. There's a bit more to it than that ... your imagination is running riot. Mary Rick |
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On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 20:20:12 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Rick" wrote in message .. . Sheeps wool is 100 pence a flease from the farmer, if you want some drop me an email. Its nautrally waterproof, and bug proof. Not bug-proof. I imagine all you need to do is get the sh1t out of it, which of cource is a haven for nasties. There's a bit more to it than that ... your imagination is running riot. Mary Rick Mary Do the bugs live by eating the wool, or do they live by eating all the stuff (sh1t and the like) that collects in the wool ? Looking at the local sheep population, the dirtier the sheep the more unhealty they look. Thanks Rick |
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In message , Rick
writes On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 20:20:12 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Rick" wrote in message . .. Sheeps wool is 100 pence a flease from the farmer, if you want some drop me an email. Its nautrally waterproof, and bug proof. Not bug-proof. I imagine all you need to do is get the sh1t out of it, which of cource is a haven for nasties. There's a bit more to it than that ... your imagination is running riot. Do the bugs live by eating the wool, or do they live by eating all the stuff (sh1t and the like) that collects in the wool ? Looking at the local sheep population, the dirtier the sheep the more unhealty they look. Washing enough fleeces to insulate our large loft would be a non-trivial task. -- Chris French |
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In message , Anna Kettle
writes The government is giving grants for insulating old houses so I booked a survey to get a price with grant included and to pick the brains of the surveyor Who deals with these grants? We have very poor insulation in our loft, which will need sorting out before the autumn. The good news is that material and labour for installing ten inches of insulation in my attic, plus cavity wall insulation in the 1976 extension will cost me just £225 (three bedroom house) Not bad at all. I really don't fancy putting this stuff in myself in our large loft, and I've also come to the conclusion that more 'eco-friendly ' products are just to expensive for us. -- Chris French |
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"Rick" wrote in message ... Sheeps wool is 100 pence a flease from the farmer, I hope not. We were getting £2.25 last year. |
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"Anna Kettle" wrote in message ... My roof has no insulation at all and I have been looking at the options. On the open market the eco friendly products like sheepswool batts are seven times the price of glass fibre. I'd be prepared to pay a small premium but that is too much for my bank balance to bear The government is giving grants for insulating old houses so I booked a survey to get a price with grant included and to pick the brains of the surveyor He has just been to visit and the outcome is that sheepswool is still much more expensive even with the grant. He says that his company priced up the sheepswool option for a client and the cost to his company was 4.5 times what they sell glass fibre for. Add on his company's markup and the cost to me is heading towards 7 times The good news is that material and labour for installing ten inches of insulation in my attic, plus cavity wall insulation in the 1976 extension will cost me just £225 (three bedroom house) Ask him for a price for those recycled paper products (Bitvent ?). These have about the same U value as fibreglass. It is sprayed into place so a little more expensive to install but if you're doing a cavity wall then the equipment is there. |
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chris French wrote:
In message , Anna Kettle writes The government is giving grants for insulating old houses so I booked a survey to get a price with grant included and to pick the brains of the surveyor Who deals with these grants? We have very poor insulation in our loft, which will need sorting out before the autumn. I think that it is your local council, but... My wife works for our local council and because of this, she found out that we could get a discount for loft and cavity wall insulation. The surveyor came round and said that the cavity insulation could be done for just over 100 quid (we live in a small half terraced house). When it came to the loft insulation, that was a totally different thing. Cos we had 'some' (a scant squashed 2 inches) loft insulation we would be charged more than 250 quid (this was with the council discount). If we had none, it would cost 125 quid. I did it myself for a lot less than 100 quid, including cross battening to allow another 5 inches of rockwool. The good news is that material and labour for installing ten inches of insulation in my attic, plus cavity wall insulation in the 1976 extension will cost me just £225 (three bedroom house) Not bad at all. I really don't fancy putting this stuff in myself in our large loft, and I've also come to the conclusion that more 'eco-friendly ' products are just to expensive for us. Put the rockwool down, but wear a long sleaved shirt, buttoned at the wrist. Do it on a cool day. Make sure that the central heating cannot come on and warm you up in the loft. When you have done for the day, take all your clothes off and take a shower. For the first few minutes you will have to just let the water run down your body, do not touch any of your skin, as this may rub the fibres into it. Now shower as normal, but make all the washing strokes downward. That way, you will not suffer the big itch of loft insulation. Dave |
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On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:12:30 +0100, chris French
wrote: In message , Anna Kettle writes How come I can see the replies in this thread but not my original message? I even went and Google Grouped to find it and it isn't there. Wierd The government is giving grants for insulating old houses so I booked a survey to get a price with grant included and to pick the brains of the surveyor Who deals with these grants? We have very poor insulation in our loft, which will need sorting out before the autumn. www.heatproject.co.uk which listed 16 different suppliers for my area, all selling much the same thing and much the same price so I went for the one who put a flyer through my door and is based in the next village They are very over subscribed. I requested a survey eight weeks ago and have only just got to the top of the list,so it would be worth asking suppliers how long you need to wait for a survey The good news is that material and labour for installing ten inches of insulation in my attic, plus cavity wall insulation in the 1976 extension will cost me just £225 (three bedroom house) Not bad at all. I really don't fancy putting this stuff in myself in our large loft Agreed. I'd have paid £225 just for someone else to do the installing Anna ~~ Anna Kettle, Suffolk, England |""""| ~ Lime plaster repairs / ^^ \ // Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc |____| www.kettlenet.co.uk 01359 230642 |
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On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 23:29:58 +0100, "Mike" wrote:
Ask him for a price for those recycled paper products (Bitvent ?). These have about the same U value as fibreglass. It is sprayed into place so a little more expensive to install but if you're doing a cavity wall then the equipment is there. He suggested that option but loose fill is no good for me cos one day I will have to take up the insulation in part of the house to repair the ceiling from above which is old and historically valuable but in lousy condition. Luckily thats what I do for a living Anna ~~ Anna Kettle, Suffolk, England |""""| ~ Lime plaster repairs / ^^ \ // Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc |____| www.kettlenet.co.uk 01359 230642 |
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Rick wrote:
Do the bugs live by eating the wool, or do they live by eating all the stuff (sh1t and the like) that collects in the wool ? Haven't you ever seen clothes moths? Carpet beetles? |
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In article .com, Alan
writes The energy required to produce it? Is that an answer or a question?. Even so its remarkably durable and lasts for a very long time. Is sheep's fleece flammable to add to its other seeming disadvantages..... -- Tony Sayer |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... Is sheep's fleece flammable Of course not! to add to its other seeming disadvantages..... Which are? Mary |
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tony sayer wrote:
Is sheep's fleece flammable to add to its other seeming disadvantages..... Wool is naturally fairly resistant to fire, which is why a sheepskin hearthrug is a good idea. Wool on top, leather underneath, and the long pile brushes over any burned bits. Owain |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... Is sheep's fleece flammable Only at gas mark 6 if you leave it on the joint |
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In article , Mary
Fisher writes "tony sayer" wrote in message ... Is sheep's fleece flammable Of course not! to add to its other seeming disadvantages..... Which are? Mary Cost ?, for one plus some doubt about insect's ewecetra.... -- Tony Sayer |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Mary Fisher writes "tony sayer" wrote in message ... Is sheep's fleece flammable Of course not! to add to its other seeming disadvantages..... Which are? Mary Cost ?, for one plus some doubt about insect's ewecetra.... I don't understand. Which insect's ewecetera? -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Mary
Fisher writes "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Mary Fisher writes "tony sayer" wrote in message ... Is sheep's fleece flammable Of course not! to add to its other seeming disadvantages..... Which are? Mary Cost ?, for one plus some doubt about insect's ewecetra.... I don't understand. Which insect's ewecetera? -- Tony Sayer -- Tony Sayer Bancom Communications Ltd U.K. Tel+44 1223 566577 Fax+44 1223 566588 P.O. Box 280, Cambridge, England, CB2 2DY E-Mail |
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In article , Mary
Fisher writes "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Mary Fisher writes "tony sayer" wrote in message ... Is sheep's fleece flammable Of course not! to add to its other seeming disadvantages..... Which are? Mary Cost ?, for one plus some doubt about insect's ewecetra.... I don't understand. Which insect's ewecetera? ewe etc geddit?.. The ones a few threads back. Anyway what's so eco wrong about fibre glass and/or rockwool for that matter?.... -- Tony Sayer |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Mary Fisher writes "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Mary Fisher writes "tony sayer" wrote in message ... Is sheep's fleece flammable Of course not! to add to its other seeming disadvantages..... Which are? Mary Cost ?, for one plus some doubt about insect's ewecetra.... I don't understand. Which insect's ewecetera? ewe etc geddit?.. The ones a few threads back. Anyway what's so eco wrong about fibre glass and/or rockwool for that matter?.... -- Tony Sayer |
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