Faced with the irritation of arriving on site at a place that required
"a hole", with trusty combi drill in its case, only to find I had
earlier "borrowed" all the drill bits from said case, I thought I would
invest in a dedicated set of bits for each drill case!

To improve the luggability factor, I thought I would try a set of these
all singing all dancing drill any material drill bits:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=35478&recno=4

The anticipation was that they would not be as good as dedicated
Masonry, HSS, and Lip'n'Spur sets, but would be a handy way to recover
from those forgetful moments!

Drilling wood: In short OK. Needs a little more pressure to start them
drilling, but once they have a bite they cut as fast or faster than a
HSS bit. The also clear the swarf nicely.

Masonry: Amazingly good!: They actually outperform any standard masonry
bit I have used in the past. While up a ladder the other day I needed to
drill a couple of holes in the (usually) "impervious to drilling"
render/walls of our place. Fully anticipating needing to get out the SDS
and extension lead as usual, I though I would see if I could get away
with using the cordless "just for two holes". I had one of these drills
in my pocket, so thought I would give it a go. I was amazed to find that
I could sink a 2" deep 7mm hole using my 18V cordless (on hammer) in 10
to 15 secs. I went on to do another 22 holes in the same wall (elaborate
routing of downpipe!) using the same bit and drill and it kept its edge
and performance.

Conclusion: well pleased!

(I bought the four common wall plug sized bits separately, but I notice
that Axminster also list a set of four - but I did not order that since
they neglect to mention which sizes are in the set!)


--
Cheers,

John.

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"John Rumm" wrote in message
...

Faced with the irritation of arriving on site at a place that required "a
hole", with trusty combi drill in its case, only to find I had earlier
"borrowed" all the drill bits from said case, I thought I would invest in
a dedicated set of bits for each drill case!

To improve the luggability factor, I thought I would try a set of these
all singing all dancing drill any material drill bits:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=35478&recno=4

The anticipation was that they would not be as good as dedicated Masonry,
HSS, and Lip'n'Spur sets, but would be a handy way to recover from those
forgetful moments!

Drilling wood: In short OK. Needs a little more pressure to start them
drilling, but once they have a bite they cut as fast or faster than a HSS
bit. The also clear the swarf nicely.

Masonry: Amazingly good!: They actually outperform any standard masonry
bit I have used in the past. While up a ladder the other day I needed to
drill a couple of holes in the (usually) "impervious to drilling"
render/walls of our place. Fully anticipating needing to get out the SDS
and extension lead as usual, I though I would see if I could get away with
using the cordless "just for two holes". I had one of these drills in my
pocket, so thought I would give it a go. I was amazed to find that I could
sink a 2" deep 7mm hole using my 18V cordless (on hammer) in 10 to 15
secs. I went on to do another 22 holes in the same wall (elaborate routing
of downpipe!) using the same bit and drill and it kept its edge and
performance.

Conclusion: well pleased!

(I bought the four common wall plug sized bits separately, but I notice
that Axminster also list a set of four - but I did not order that since
they neglect to mention which sizes are in the set!)


--
Cheers,

John.

Thanks for taking the time for that John. Very informative, to the point
where I've just ordered some myself )

Mogweed.

In article , John Rumm
wrote:


http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=35478&recno=4

That's nice. Crashes Oregano halfway through the page.

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In article ,
Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=35478&recno=4

That's nice. Crashes Oregano halfway through the page.

So it does. Trying to load something it doesn't like. Netsurf seems to
cope, though. As does Fresco but complains about something as usual.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message
"Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics)" wrote:

In article , John Rumm
wrote:


http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=35478&recno=4

That's nice. Crashes Oregano halfway through the page.

What are you using, Andy?
Seems ok here with Oregano 1 :-)

Cheers,
--
Jim White
Wimbledon London England

John Rumm wrote.

Has anyone tried those flat bits that claim to work like augers? The
point is threaded, although still flat, and the outer edge of the flat
cutter has a point on so it cuts the wood away before it rips it out,
for a cleaner lower energy job. Well, so it says...

NT

John Rumm wrote:

(I bought the four common wall plug sized bits separately, but I notice
that Axminster also list a set of four - but I did not order that since
they neglect to mention which sizes are in the set!)

5.5, 6, 7, 8 mm according to the printed catalogue

....and perversely 70p + vat cheaper to buy individually


--

wrote:

Has anyone tried those flat bits that claim to work like augers? The
point is threaded, although still flat, and the outer edge of the flat
cutter has a point on so it cuts the wood away before it rips it out,
for a cleaner lower energy job. Well, so it says...

That sounds somewhat like an expansive bit I got from toolstation...
much like a flat bit except you can slide the flat part from side to
side to change the effective cutting diameter. The "flat" section is
also profiled slightly such that it has a slight attack angle rather
than being exactly perpendicular to the wood.

As for being low energy, not a chance. I found the worm thread on the
tip tries to pull the bit through way to fast - such that it attempts to
take a 2mm thick bite out of the wood on each rotation. Rather like an
auger in a brace would. In a very powerful cordless you will have great
difficulty holding it steady, and it will either stall the drill or
twist your wrist if you are not very careful! The solution is to
pre-drill the centre hole. Then the worm screw just guides rather than
pulls. Then it is much like a spade bit. Not sure it is much cleaner,
but then again I have always found spade bits make reasonably neat holes
except for the exit.

I used it for drilling into the end grain of a newel post base (to
accept the 2" spigot on the end of the newel). In this mode it does not
pull through so fast and you can get more speed and a lighter cut per
rotation, but it still tends to switch randomly between spinning with
very little cut and then grabbing hold and sucking out half a tree in
one go.

So if you need a big blind hole of depth, then it will do the job when
not much else will, otherwise not a pleasant drilling experience.

As usual YMMV, and remember we are taking about a 10 quid silverline
version here and not the 20 to 30 quid version that most places have.



--
Cheers,

John.

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\================================================= ================/

wrote:

Has anyone tried those flat bits that claim to work like augers? The
point is threaded, although still flat, and the outer edge of the flat
cutter has a point on so it cuts the wood away before it rips it out,
for a cleaner lower energy job. Well, so it says...

That sounds somewhat like an expansive bit I got from toolstation...
much like a flat bit except you can slide the flat part from side to
side to change the effective cutting diameter. The "flat" section is
also profiled slightly such that it has a slight attack angle rather
than being exactly perpendicular to the wood.

As for being low energy, not a chance. I found the worm thread on the
tip tries to pull the bit through way to fast - such that it attempts to
take a 2mm thick bite out of the wood on each rotation. Rather like an
auger in a brace would. In a very powerful cordless you will have great
difficulty holding it steady, and it will either stall the drill or
twist your wrist if you are not very careful! The solution is to
pre-drill the centre hole. Then the worm screw just guides rather than
pulls. Then it is much like a spade bit. Not sure it is much cleaner,
but then again I have always found spade bits make reasonably neat holes
except for the exit.

I used it for drilling into the end grain of a newel post base (to
accept the 2" spigot on the end of the newel). In this mode it does not
pull through so fast and you can get more speed and a lighter cut per
rotation, but it still tends to switch randomly between spinning with
very little cut and then grabbing hold and sucking out half a tree in
one go.

So if you need a big blind hole of depth, then it will do the job when
not much else will, otherwise not a pleasant drilling experience.

As usual YMMV, and remember we are taking about a 10 quid silverline
version here and not the 20 to 30 quid version that most places have.



--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

John Rumm wrote:

Faced with the irritation of arriving on site at a place that required
"a hole", with trusty combi drill in its case, only to find I had
earlier "borrowed" all the drill bits from said case, I thought I would
invest in a dedicated set of bits for each drill case!

To improve the luggability factor, I thought I would try a set of these
all singing all dancing drill any material drill bits:

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=35478&recno=4

The anticipation was that they would not be as good as dedicated
Masonry, HSS, and Lip'n'Spur sets, but would be a handy way to recover
from those forgetful moments!

Drilling wood: In short OK. Needs a little more pressure to start them
drilling, but once they have a bite they cut as fast or faster than a
HSS bit. The also clear the swarf nicely.

Masonry: Amazingly good!: They actually outperform any standard masonry
bit I have used in the past. While up a ladder the other day I needed to
drill a couple of holes in the (usually) "impervious to drilling"
render/walls of our place. Fully anticipating needing to get out the SDS
and extension lead as usual, I though I would see if I could get away
with using the cordless "just for two holes". I had one of these drills
in my pocket, so thought I would give it a go. I was amazed to find that
I could sink a 2" deep 7mm hole using my 18V cordless (on hammer) in 10
to 15 secs. I went on to do another 22 holes in the same wall (elaborate
routing of downpipe!) using the same bit and drill and it kept its edge
and performance.

Conclusion: well pleased!

(I bought the four common wall plug sized bits separately, but I notice
that Axminster also list a set of four - but I did not order that since
they neglect to mention which sizes are in the set!)



the same dills are on screwfix..exactly the same prices. Hmmmm

Arthur

In article , Jim White
wrote:

What are you using, Andy?
Seems ok here with Oregano 1 :-)

Interesting, since Dave had the same problem. My system automatically
fetches Oregano 1 as the MkII version is so awful. I get frustrated
everytime I have to use that MS a***e licking piece of crap. :-)


--
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http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk

In article ,
Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:
What are you using, Andy?
Seems ok here with Oregano 1 :-)

Interesting, since Dave had the same problem. My system automatically
fetches Oregano 1 as the MkII version is so awful. I get frustrated
everytime I have to use that MS a***e licking piece of crap. :-)

Yup - I've found 1 better than 2.

Can you order and pay from the RS site with any RISC OS browser?

I've found I have to resort to the dark side for that. But don't worry,
it's only IE 5.5 on a 586 card, so not really a threat. ;-)

--
*Starfishes have no brains *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:
What are you using, Andy?
Seems ok here with Oregano 1 :-)

Interesting, since Dave had the same problem. My system automatically
fetches Oregano 1 as the MkII version is so awful. I get frustrated
everytime I have to use that MS a***e licking piece of crap. :-)

Yup - I've found 1 better than 2.

Can you order and pay from the RS site with any RISC OS browser?

I've found I have to resort to the dark side for that. But don't worry,
it's only IE 5.5 on a 586 card, so not really a threat. ;-)

Never realised there were so many RO users in uk.d-i-y :-)

Dave
Andy
Jim
Myself

Any more?

Never used Oregano myself; my weapon of choice is Netsurf at the moment,
though I have WebsterXL in the armoury and ArcWeb still comes out for a
look-see sometimes.

Hwyl!

M.

--
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Two free issues: http://www.livtech.co.uk/ Living With Technology
.... I did it. I killed them all.

In article ,
Martin Angove wrote:
Never realised there were so many RO users in uk.d-i-y :-)

Oh dear. You'd get flamed for that on some groups. It's got to be RISC OS
these days. ;-)

Dave
Andy
Jim
Myself

Any more?

Never used Oregano myself; my weapon of choice is Netsurf at the moment,
though I have WebsterXL in the armoury and ArcWeb still comes out for a
look-see sometimes.

Trouble with Netsurf is it doesn't have even the limited version of
Javascript that Oregano does. But of course it's still being actively
developed. There's also a version of Firefox being ported.

But the problem is the proprietary plug ins or add ons. The cost of the
licence to use them - apart from the work involved. Things like Java. And
the various streamed audio etc players.

--
*A person who smiles in the face of adversity probably has a scapegoat *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Martin Angove wrote:

Never realised there were so many RO users in uk.d-i-y :-)

Dave
Andy
Jim
Myself

Any more?

Me.... Ant Suite.

Look at the headers to see who runs what. In your case:

User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05S)
(RISC-OS/4.39) NewsHound/1.42

--
Tony Williams.

John Rumm wrote:
wrote:

Has anyone tried those flat bits that claim to work like augers? The
point is threaded, although still flat, and the outer edge of the flat
cutter has a point on so it cuts the wood away before it rips it out,
for a cleaner lower energy job. Well, so it says...

That sounds somewhat like an expansive bit I got from toolstation...
much like a flat bit except you can slide the flat part from side to
side to change the effective cutting diameter. The "flat" section is
also profiled slightly such that it has a slight attack angle rather
than being exactly perpendicular to the wood.

As for being low energy, not a chance. I found the worm thread on the
tip tries to pull the bit through way to fast - such that it attempts to
take a 2mm thick bite out of the wood on each rotation. Rather like an
auger in a brace would. In a very powerful cordless you will have great
difficulty holding it steady, and it will either stall the drill or
twist your wrist if you are not very careful! The solution is to
pre-drill the centre hole. Then the worm screw just guides rather than
pulls. Then it is much like a spade bit. Not sure it is much cleaner,
but then again I have always found spade bits make reasonably neat holes
except for the exit.

I used it for drilling into the end grain of a newel post base (to
accept the 2" spigot on the end of the newel). In this mode it does not
pull through so fast and you can get more speed and a lighter cut per
rotation, but it still tends to switch randomly between spinning with
very little cut and then grabbing hold and sucking out half a tree in
one go.

So if you need a big blind hole of depth, then it will do the job when
not much else will, otherwise not a pleasant drilling experience.

As usual YMMV, and remember we are taking about a 10 quid silverline
version here and not the 20 to 30 quid version that most places have.

lovely, nother nice review. Worse than I expected.

I think the only plus with flat bits is theyre very cheap and you can
make your own if stuck.


NT

In article ,
Tony Williams wrote:
Never realised there were so many RO users in uk.d-i-y :-)

Dave
Andy
Jim
Myself

Any more?

Me.... Ant Suite.

I've got Fresco as part of Voyager and find it the most flaky of all.

--
*A fool and his money are soon partying *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message ,
Tony Williams wrote:

In article ,
Martin Angove wrote:

Never realised there were so many RO users in uk.d-i-y :-)

Dave
Andy
Jim
Myself

Any more?

Me.... Ant Suite.

Look at the headers to see who runs what. In your case:

User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.21 (MsgServe/3.05S)
(RISC-OS/4.39) NewsHound/1.42


I did do a header search. Thing is, while Messenger and Pluto use the
"user-agent" header, Marcel (Andy) doesn't, it uses "x-newsreader".
Rather than trawling manually through the ng looking for any other
variations (until I did a 7-day expire last night I had 4000 messages) I
just thought I'd ask :-)

We're still dwarfed by some other systems, but it's interesting to know
us RISC OS (noted) users don't stick just to the RISC OS newsgroups...

Hwyl!

M.

--
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Two free issues: http://www.livtech.co.uk/ Living With Technology
.... How do frogs die? Ker-mit suicide!

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:21:57 +0100, Martin Angove
wrote:

I did do a header search. Thing is, while Messenger and Pluto use the
"user-agent" header, Marcel (Andy) doesn't, it uses "x-newsreader".
Rather than trawling manually through the ng looking for any other
variations (until I did a 7-day expire last night I had 4000 messages) I
just thought I'd ask :-)

We're still dwarfed by some other systems, but it's interesting to know
us RISC OS (noted) users don't stick just to the RISC OS newsgroups...

It's not always a foolproof way of telling. For example, from my
header:

X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560

You'd think I was running some version of Windows.

I'm not.
--
On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk

(Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)

In message
Martin Angove wrote:

Never realised there were so many RO users in uk.d-i-y :-)

Any more?

I'm getting over it... :-)

Never used Oregano myself;

Very wise, if version 1 is better than 2. When I decided I'd had enough
of them the code had got to the stage of "OK, we know what we're doing
now, let's start again from scratch". What got released was that plus
some Javascript capability. Luckily my name got removed from the credits
of the release version...

Anthony

In message
Martin Angove wrote:
[snip]


We're still dwarfed by some other systems, but it's interesting to know
us RISC OS (noted) users don't stick just to the RISC OS newsgroups...

Yeah, even with Doctor Drivel in full flight it's not as heated here :-)

Best regards
--
Jim White
Wimbledon London England

wrote:

I think the only plus with flat bits is theyre very cheap and you can
make your own if stuck.

Handy when you need to cut the shaft off one to get the drill in between
two joists as well ;-)

While not as nice as auger bits, I don't have that much difficulty with
flat ones it has to be said. They are also dead easy to sharpen on a
bench grinder. Perhaps I have never needed to make so many holes that
battery capacity becomes an issue.

--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
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|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
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\================================================= ================/

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I've got Fresco as part of Voyager and find it the
most flaky of all.

I stayed down at v1.69, (Feb98), which has none of
the later bells and whistles but is relatively stable.

--
Tony Williams.

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

Can you order and pay from the RS site with any RISC OS browser?

Haven't used RS in a long time. The end came when I was trying to use their
CD catalogue. :-(


I've found I have to resort to the dark side for that. But don't worry,
it's only IE 5.5 on a 586 card, so not really a threat. ;-)

I use a laptop with Virtual RPC, but do use Firefox for some jobs on the
dark side.

--
AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems
http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk

In article , Anthony Frost
wrote:

Very wise, if version 1 is better than 2.

Version 2 is the biggest waste of money I have ever made. It seems that
someone decided to follow the MickeySoft way of doing things, so that even
the delete key works incorrectly. Couple that with slowness and regular
crashes and most would revert to Fresco. Oh, yes, Oregano 2 will not work
with my router menu either, Fresco does.



--
AJL Electronics (G6FGO) Ltd : Satellite and TV aerial systems
http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk

In article ,
Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:
Can you order and pay from the RS site with any RISC OS browser?

Haven't used RS in a long time. The end came when I was trying to use
their CD catalogue. :-(

Heh heh. I get the old cats from one place I work at each time they get
new ones. I don't use them enough to get free ones direct.

But their website is fine and works ok with Oregano including ordering.
But something goes wrong when you try to pay. Probably a Javascript
thingie.

Same with Ebay. Can do everything with Oregano - but not upload pics if
selling something.

So I have a fresh virgin version of Win 95 with a fully upgraded copy of
IE 5.5 including all the 'plug ins'. So I can get to those sites that use
the latest Java and Javascript ok.

I tried Firefox, but found it slow - and it used up most of the RAM - 30
Meg max - with no room to run 'plug ins'.

--
*Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Nick Atty wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:21:57 +0100, Martin Angove
wrote:

I did do a header search. Thing is, while Messenger and Pluto use the
"user-agent" header, Marcel (Andy) doesn't, it uses "x-newsreader".
Rather than trawling manually through the ng looking for any other
variations (until I did a 7-day expire last night I had 4000 messages) I
just thought I'd ask :-)

We're still dwarfed by some other systems, but it's interesting to know
us RISC OS (noted) users don't stick just to the RISC OS newsgroups...

It's not always a foolproof way of telling. For example, from my
header:

X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560

You'd think I was running some version of Windows.

I'm not.

And some software deliberately tells porkies about itself, like wot I'm
using.

NT

On 13 Jun 2005 05:11:42 -0700, wrote:

Nick Atty wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:21:57 +0100, Martin Angove
wrote:

I did do a header search. Thing is, while Messenger and Pluto use the
"user-agent" header, Marcel (Andy) doesn't, it uses "x-newsreader".
Rather than trawling manually through the ng looking for any other
variations (until I did a 7-day expire last night I had 4000 messages) I
just thought I'd ask :-)

We're still dwarfed by some other systems, but it's interesting to know
us RISC OS (noted) users don't stick just to the RISC OS newsgroups...

It's not always a foolproof way of telling. For example, from my
header:

X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560

You'd think I was running some version of Windows.

I'm not.

And some software deliberately tells porkies about itself, like wot I'm
using.

You mean you're not using google groups?

Let's see - all the headers say that you are, but you have quoted some
context, properly indented, and with your comment at the bottom.

You're right - it can't be google.
--
On-line canal route planner: http://www.canalplan.org.uk

(Waterways World site of the month, April 2001)

Nick Atty wrote:
On 13 Jun 2005 05:11:42 -0700, wrote:

And some software deliberately tells porkies about itself, like wot I'm
using.

You mean you're not using google groups?

Let's see - all the headers say that you are, but you have quoted some
context, properly indented, and with your comment at the bottom.

You're right - it can't be google.

lol