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They are not. There are many different types of units. Some use FM
radio
signals, others AM, other different again.

So I could simply play Radio 4

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Mike Deblis wrote:

Is there any evidence at all that these
"electronic" scale inhibitors work at all?

None.


Mine works

snip tripe

MINE WORKS!!!

No

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When are you ****ing off to Italy? Please go soon.

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FFS!
Read and re-read replies by Christian and dennis above.
Read replies from Dr. Evil only for their entertainment value. If
this
is an on-line community, then Dr. Evil fills the role of our village
idiot.

I'm an electronic engineer by degree, and a scientist by profession, so
I'm
deeply sceptical about these electronic gizmos which basically seem to
be
just a 555 oscillator and a couple of coils;

They are not. There are many different types of units. Some use FM
radio
signals, others AM,

Capital radio's best for soft water

Maxie, it is?


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We live near Tonbridge in Kent, which is a hard water area. We are

putting

in UFH, and the supplier is recommending a softener - they are

suggesting

either a "Salamander Electrolytic Scale Inhibitor" (approx 170 quid),
or

a

"Genus SD500 metered high-flow water softener" (approx. 490 quid).

FFS!
Read and re-read replies by Christian and dennis above.
Read replies from Dr. Evil only for their entertainment value. If this
is an on-line community, then Dr. Evil fills the role of our village
idiot.


I'm an electronic engineer by degree, and a scientist by profession, so
I'm
deeply sceptical about these electronic gizmos which basically seem to
be
just a 555 oscillator and a couple of coils; about £1.50 worth of bits
(if
that)...

I have no intention of using one, but wanted to know what the real-world
experiences were.

We are using a complex geothermal heating system from Ice Energy, and
the
UFH should not need softenting - the question is whether it's worth
doing it
for the house - the missus and daughter might like it, and compared with
the
expense of the geothermal stuff, it's insignificant...


What you spend on salt, you save on soap.

A bar of soap that used to last a couple of weeks now last months..

No furred up taps either wit seals going from lime deposists.

I get through about £1 a week on salt - we are profligate with all water
here.

£52 a year to run and many, many £100s to install. Wow!

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Is there any evidence at all that these
"electronic" scale inhibitors work at all?

None.

Mine works

Its easy enough to prove.

What is the hardness of the water on the inlet side?
What is it on the outlet side?

I will put my bet on "there is no difference".

You can get it tested by the water suppliers if you want.

PS

"You'd only need treated (de-ionized) water for the initial fill if
there were a requirement to use anti-freeze..."

By this I meant the usual propylene or ethylene glycol antifreeze
mixtures. I believe that excessively hard water will be detrimental to
the corrosion inhibitors in most commercial anti-freeze solutions.

I think the Ice Energy system is a ground source heat pump and the
underground heat source pipes are filed with a water & anti-freeze
mixture. I think they use an alcohol as the anti-freeze & don't know
what their requirements for the water quality are.

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Are these reasonable options? Is there any evidence at all that these
"electronic" scale inhibitors work at all?

None whatsoever, unless you consider
"working" in terms of making their
inventors very rich by supplying a

Stop making thing up. I have one and it works.

No, it doesn't.

Please provide a link to any independant studies that show these
things working.

sponix

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:02:58 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

Mine works

I bet you have one of those plug in pest eliminator thingumies that
they sell on the shopping channels. You know, you plug them in and it
apparently turns your ring main into an invisible force field.

sponix

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:54:16 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

There is lots of evidence they work.

Where?

All I have been able to find is sales blurb generated by the companies
that sell them.

Please link to an independant scientific report that shows these
things are worthwhile.

sponix

I bet you have one of those plug in pest eliminator thingumies that
they sell on the shopping channels. You know, you plug them in and it
apparently turns your ring main into an invisible force field.

Nah he couldn't afford it after he spent all that cash on a fuel line
conditioner that improves your fuel efficiency by 30%.

Christian.

In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
You could also try casting a spell.

You could also stop making things up. I have one and it WORKS!!!!!!
Nothing worse than a know-it-all.

I've got an electronic elephant scarer in my back garden and that works
well too.

--
*On the other hand, you have different fingers.

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"dennis@home" wrote in message
k...

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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Is there any evidence at all that these
"electronic" scale inhibitors work at all?

None.

Mine works

Its easy enough to prove.

What is the hardness of the water on the inlet side?
What is it on the outlet side?

I will put my bet on "there is no difference".

Since when have you been in my place? It takes away scale. IT WORKS. Are
you hard of thinking?

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"Christian McArdle" wrote in message
et...
Are these reasonable options? Is there any evidence at all that these
"electronic" scale inhibitors work at all?

None whatsoever, unless you consider
"working" in terms of making their
inventors very rich by supplying a

Stop making thing up. I have one and it works.

No, it doesn't.

Please provide a link to any independant studies that show these
things working.

MINE WORKS. I don't need someone else to tell it works. Do you get an
independent man to tell if your car moves?

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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:02:58 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

Mine works

I bet you have one of those
plug in pest eliminator thingumies that
they sell on the shopping channels.
You know, you plug them in and it
apparently turns your ring main into
an invisible force field.

No, because I am not an idiot. How does yours work?

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There is lots of evidence they work.

Where?

Me.

Also do a Google on this ng. Enough comes up. Ignore the same idiot trolls,
who have never seen one and say they don't work.


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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
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You could also try casting a spell.

You could also stop making things up. I have one and it WORKS!!!!!!
Nothing worse than a know-it-all.

I've got an electronic elephant scarer in my back garden and that works
well too.



What is it - a radio controlled mouse?

you really shouldn't scare elephants, you know. they're very sensitive
creatures & have long memories.....



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mail me at
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You could also stop making things up. I have one and it WORKS!!!!!!
Nothing worse than a know-it-all.

I've got an electronic elephant scarer in my back garden and that
works well too.

Not had many elephants round recently? It really must be very effective. Can
I buy one?

Christian.

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t...

You could also stop making things up. I have one and it WORKS!!!!!!
Nothing worse than a know-it-all.

I've got an electronic elephant scarer in my back garden and that
works well too.

Not had many elephants round recently?
It really must be very effective. Can
I buy one?

Find out if it uses too many batteries first. Have you developed the caber
tossing technique yet?


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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:38:10 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
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"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:54:16 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

There is lots of evidence they work.

Where?

Me.

Also do a Google on this ng. Enough comes up. Ignore the same idiot trolls,
who have never seen one and say they don't work.

I've tried a google and I find exactly one poster who claims they work
for mains water (i.e. not in a closed loop like CH)

Have a guess who that one person is ?

Cheers,

John

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Also do a Google on this ng. Enough comes up. Ignore the same idiot
trolls, who have never seen one and say they don't work.

A Google search will show you're pretty well the only one who says they
work - despite the hundreds saying they don't *and* explaining why.

Perhaps you simply live in a soft water area? And it's gone to your head?

--
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
Also do a Google on this ng. Enough comes up. Ignore the same idiot
trolls, who have never seen one and say they don't work.

A Google search will show you're pretty
well the only one who says they
work

It doesn't at all, look again. How is the electric caber going?

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You could also stop making things up. I have one and it WORKS!!!!!!
Nothing worse than a know-it-all.
I've got an electronic elephant scarer in my back garden and that
works well too.

Not had many elephants round recently? It really must be very
effective. Can I buy one?

Find out if it uses too many batteries first.

Solar powered.

Have you developed the
caber tossing technique yet?

Well, elephants are good with trunks.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Doctor Evil wrote:

Some use FM radio
signals, others AM

The difference between unmodulated FM and AM being?

(or do you need to connect an audio source as well?)

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Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk wrote:

Radio waves however modulated (of which I can see absolutely no point
of amplitude modulation as frequency remains constant) would not even
reach the water.

Yes the pipe should act as a nice Faraday cage.

(Minor unrelated point for the truly pedantic, but the frequency of an
Amplitude Modulated signal will not remain constant because the waveform
will no longer be sinusoidal (otherwise it would use effectively zero
bandwidth))



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Doctor Evil wrote:

Some use FM radio
signals, others AM

The difference between unmodulated FM and AM being?

Oh a quiz.

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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:36:19 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
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"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:02:58 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

Mine works

I bet you have one of those
plug in pest eliminator thingumies that
they sell on the shopping channels.
You know, you plug them in and it
apparently turns your ring main into
an invisible force field.

No, because I am not an idiot. How does yours work?

Of course it works! I have no rats in my house so of course it works!
LOL!

sponix

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Doctor Evil wrote:
You could also stop making things up. I have one and it WORKS!!!!!!
Nothing worse than a know-it-all.
I've got an electronic elephant scarer in my back garden and that
works well too.

Not had many elephants round recently? It really must be very
effective. Can I buy one?

Find out if it uses too many batteries first.

Solar powered.

Wow! Solar powered elephant repelling cabers.

Have you developed the
caber tossing technique yet?

Well, elephants are good with trunks.

How about suitcases?

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"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:02:58 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

Mine works

I bet you have one of those
plug in pest eliminator thingumies that
they sell on the shopping channels.
You know, you plug them in and it
apparently turns your ring main into
an invisible force field.

No, because I am not an idiot.
How does yours work?

Of course it works! I have no rats in
my house so of course it works!
LOL!

That's logical. Will this force field heat your water too?

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"dennis@home" wrote in message
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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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Is there any evidence at all that these
"electronic" scale inhibitors work at all?

None.

Mine works

Its easy enough to prove.

What is the hardness of the water on the inlet side?
What is it on the outlet side?

I will put my bet on "there is no difference".

Since when have you been in my place? It takes away scale. IT WORKS.

Placebos work too.

Are you hard of thinking?

No but I think I have found someone who is.

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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:02:58 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

Mine works

I bet you have one of those plug in pest eliminator thingumies that
they sell on the shopping channels. You know, you plug them in and it
apparently turns your ring main into an invisible force field.

Don't be silly

If he had one, do you think he would still be here ?

--
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"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:02:58 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

Mine works

I bet you have one of those
plug in pest eliminator thingumies that
they sell on the shopping channels.
You know, you plug them in and it
apparently turns your ring main into
an invisible force field.

No, because I am not an idiot.

You're in a minority of one there


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"Steve Firth" wrote in message
. ..
Doctor Evil wrote:

They are not. There are many different types of units. Some use FM
radio
signals, others AM, other different again.

So I could simply play Radio 4

snip total madness

You're more likely to get Madness on Radio 1 or 2


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Rumm writes
Doctor Evil wrote:

Some use FM radio
signals, others AM

The difference between unmodulated FM and AM being?

A straight line ?


--
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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:

Some use FM radio
signals, others AM

The difference between unmodulated FM and AM being?

Oh a quiz.

OK dIMM, what does unmodulated AM and FM look like ?

I'm serious here

(although I hope to have a laugh at your answer )

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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"dennis@home" wrote in message
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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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Is there any evidence at all that these
"electronic" scale inhibitors work at all?

None.

Mine works

Its easy enough to prove.

What is the hardness of the water on the inlet side?
What is it on the outlet side?

I will put my bet on "there is no difference".

Since when have you been in my place? It takes away scale. IT WORKS.

Placebos work too.

They don't.

Are you hard of thinking?

No but I think I have found someone who is.

You are hard of thinking. That is clear.


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"s--p--o--n--i--x" wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:02:58 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:

Mine works

I bet you have one of those
plug in pest eliminator thingumies that
they sell on the shopping channels.
You know, you plug them in and it
apparently turns your ring main into
an invisible force field.

No, because I am not an idiot.

You're in a minority of one there

Must be Maxie. All around are fools.


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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:

Some use FM radio
signals, others AM

The difference between unmodulated FM and AM being?


Oh a quiz.

OK dIMM, what does unmodulated AM and FM look like ?

Uh? they don't LOOK like anything because they aren't in the visible
spectrum?

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raden wrote:
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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:

Some use FM radio
signals, others AM

The difference between unmodulated FM and AM being?


Oh a quiz.

OK dIMM, what does unmodulated AM and FM look like ?

Uh? they don't LOOK like anything because they aren't in the visible
spectrum?

They can be

You know good and well what I mean

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"raden" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:

Some use FM radio
signals, others AM

The difference between unmodulated FM and AM being?


Oh a quiz.

OK dIMM, what does unmodulated AM and FM look like ?

Uh? they don't LOOK like anything because they aren't in the visible
spectrum?

They can be

You know good and well what I mean

I doubt if he does actually :-)

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"raden" wrote in message
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Doctor Evil wrote:

Some use FM radio
signals, others AM

The difference between unmodulated FM and AM being?


Oh a quiz.

OK dIMM, what does unmodulated AM and FM look like ?

Uh? they don't LOOK like anything because they aren't in the visible
spectrum?

They can be

You know good and well what I mean

I doubt if he does actually :-)


Ooh look, pikkies ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation

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