In article ,
Pete C wrote:
One of the things _most_ people like about summer is being able to
sleep next to an open window to get a cool breeze of fresh air
throughout the night.

I leave a pedestal fan set to low on overnight on hot summer nights. the
slight constant noise doesn't seem to bother me.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:44:29 GMT, s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:

On 8 Apr 2005 01:01:50 -0700, (markzoom) wrote:

That was almost entirely their own fault.

So it's old people's fault that they are old? People with asthma are
to blame are they?

There are many countries
where it's hot (not warm) all year round and people don't die from it

Yes, they do.

Lots (was it something like 5000?) of elderly people died from the heat in
France last year.


--
Holly, in France
Holiday home in Dordogne
http://la-plaine.chez.tiscali.fr

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:58:10 +0100, Pete C
wrote:

Making a second loft hatch that has a 'box fan' or similar built in is
a good way of ventilating house and loft.

I have a box fan and might try this as an experiment.

So, the fan should be blowing into the loft to cool it. Should it be
run during the day (To cool the hot loft) or run at night (To draw
cold air into the house)?

(s--p--o--n--i--x) wrote in message ...
On 8 Apr 2005 01:01:50 -0700, (markzoom) wrote:

That was almost entirely their own fault.

So it's old people's fault that they are old? People with asthma are
to blame are they?

??? What prattish remarks.
Old people die in winter/summer because they don't wear the
appropriate clothing (check out the number of grannies wearing winter
coats in the middle of summer!). Asthmatics die because they don't use
their medication.
That is their fault, not someone else's, and certainly not the fault
of the taxpayer for not providing every pensioner/asthmatic with air
conditioning, dipstick.




There are many countries
where it's hot (not warm) all year round and people don't die from it

Yes, they do.

Rarely, and usually it's again their own fault. In GB you have to be
terminally stupid to die from warm weather.

M.K.

"markzoom" wrote in message
om...
....
I think you might be one of those people who would benefit greatly
from experiencing or even seeing some real "hardship". ...

Done that, but I don't see why I should needlessly to inconvenience myself,
just because there are people out there who have no choice. I consider it to
be of much more value to them if I buy a water borehole each year, having
given up on paying for innoculations since they became a corporate fashion.

Colin Bignell

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:00:19 GMT, (s--p--o--n--i--x)
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:58:10 +0100, Pete C
wrote:

Making a second loft hatch that has a 'box fan' or similar built in is
a good way of ventilating house and loft.

I have a box fan and might try this as an experiment.

So, the fan should be blowing into the loft to cool it. Should it be
run during the day (To cool the hot loft) or run at night (To draw
cold air into the house)?

Hi,

I doubt it would cool the loft much in the day but it will help cool
it quicker in the evening, and cool the house when indoor temps start
to rise above outdoor.

So I'd switch it on or set a timer for when the indoor temp may start
rising above outdoor (an indoor/outdoor thermometer would help to
determine this) then switch off at daybreak.

For a more permanent install some louvres would help hide the fan
itself, and rubber or foam bushings to minimise any fan noise.

If on broadband a program like 'Weather Exchange' is good for
monitoring outdoor temperatures etc:

http://www.ambientweather.com/weex1.html

cheers,
Pete.

On 6 Apr 2005 07:54:18 -0700, wrote:

1. a big external fan on a timer, or better on a differential
thermostat. I've had typically 4-6C drop with this arrangement, max
10C. The idea is to run it evening and night only, bringing in cooler
air for hours cools down the house structure so you get less peak temp
in the next day.

Hi,

What time of day generally does it start when using a differential
thermostat, and does the time vary a lot either side of this?

cheers,
Pete.

"Pete C" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 01:10:20 +0100, "nightjar"
wrote:

"Pete C" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:13:05 +0100, "nightjar"
wrote:

Assuming I ever got a tuit for rebuilding the sashes and fitting new
cords,
windows do not give a very good control of air flow. It always tends to
be
too little or too great and I also dislike drafts.

You can close or partly close the windows when it's cool enough.

Having to get up in the middle of the night to make adjustments rather
defeats the object of getting the room cool enough to sleep in the first
place.

Hi,

Try moving the furniture so the head of the bed is not directly
opposite the window, and then try adjusting your duvet

It would be much easier to fit air conditioning.

....
One of the things _most_ people like about summer is being able to
sleep next to an open window to get a cool breeze of fresh air
throughout the night.

One man's fresh air is another man's draft.

Colin Bignell

wrote:
wrote:
Hugh wrote:

1. a big external fan on a timer, or better on a differential
thermostat. I've had typically 4-6C drop with this arrangement, max
10C. The idea is to run it evening and night only, bringing in
cooler
air for hours cools down the house structure so you get less peak
temp
in the next day. Note that one is not much use, you need 2 arranged
to
give a through draft. With more thought it may be poss to arrange
this
passively: this is a better option when implementable.

The problem I find with the UK is that even with an unbearably humid
day the evenings can still be very cool so I wouldn't want my house
any
cooler at night thanks.

it is sometimes necessary to limit how cold it gets at night.
Thermostats take care of the comfort zone.

On cold nights, what happens is the house air cools until the stat
switches the cooling ventiaion off, then temp rises again due to stored
heat, so the cooling ventilation comes on again etc.


In the UK it's the humidity not the
temperature that is the problem.

If that were really true,

1. people would use a dehumidifier instead of a/c, whereas in reality
it doesnt make much difference

2. evaporative coolers, which improve comfort by several degrees (but
thats all) would make things worse not better.

RH does matter, but it seems to have been blown out of proportion in
popular thinking.


I'm digging out my garden at the
moment and might lay an earth pipe as an experiment.

excellant. If you can put 20-30' of 4" pipe 1m down you should be able
to get seriously cold in summer. Anything less should give you more
reasonable cooling levels.


NT

Pete C wrote:
On 6 Apr 2005 07:54:18 -0700, wrote:

Add similar in loft too, lofts cook in summer.

Making a second loft hatch that has a 'box fan' or similar built in
is
a good way of ventilating house and loft.

Problem with modern houses is that it can be difficult to get cool
air
coming into a bedroom on the top storey from the window unless there
is a prevailing wind.

Its normally necessary to open 2 windows on oposite sides to get a
through draught.


The above would fix that and help the loft and
ceiling to cool down.

Ideally you want more air throughput than a small box fan will normally
give - it should help, but I doubt it would be dramatic.


Also moving bed close to open window in summer can help.

If youve got sash windows, opening the top half rather than the bottom
gives you another 1C apx benefit.


NT

s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:58:10 +0100, Pete C
wrote:

Making a second loft hatch that has a 'box fan' or similar built in
is
a good way of ventilating house and loft.

I have a box fan and might try this as an experiment.

So, the fan should be blowing into the loft to cool it. Should it be
run during the day (To cool the hot loft) or run at night (To draw
cold air into the house)?

It depends what else youve got going, but in mosts cases all the time
24/7. Only if youre doing enough to get interior temps below outdoor
temps is it worth switching such a fan off.

But what... it is cheaper and more reliable to use natural airflow
instead of electric fans. Its also a damn sight nicer to have silence
than some horrible noise all day and night.

How to use natural airflow? 2 loft vents, the thermostatic greenhouse
venting kind. They need no power, and open a window when it gets hot.
You need 2 to get crossflow. Sticking a fan in is easier of course.


NT

Pete C wrote:
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 15:00:19 GMT, (s--p--o--n--i--x)
wrote:

Making a second loft hatch that has a 'box fan' or similar built in
is
a good way of ventilating house and loft.

I have a box fan and might try this as an experiment.

So, the fan should be blowing into the loft to cool it. Should it be
run during the day (To cool the hot loft) or run at night (To draw
cold air into the house)?

Hi,

I doubt it would cool the loft much in the day

lofts really cook in summer. Thats one reason upstairs is always hotter
than down. Really though you want a lot of ventilation, and a box fan
isnt a lot.


but it will help cool
it quicker in the evening, and cool the house when indoor temps start
to rise above outdoor.

it does, so does opening windows.


So I'd switch it on or set a timer for when the indoor temp may start
rising above outdoor (an indoor/outdoor thermometer would help to
determine this) then switch off at daybreak.

Yeah. I found that proper control gave a lot more result than rough
control. A dif stat really is important if you want to get a decent
result from it. Without this, the results arent there.


For a more permanent install some louvres would help hide the fan
itself, and rubber or foam bushings to minimise any fan noise.

I would not put a fan on the loft floor at all, it will be a real
annoyance. If you want to try it, sure, but almost any fan is going to
make an unacceptable racket at night.

Fitting extra window locks that allow you to have the top 2" of the
windows staying open is more useful. And putting in crossflow
ventilation in the loft to cool that down.


If on broadband a program like 'Weather Exchange' is good for
monitoring outdoor temperatures etc:

http://www.ambientweather.com/weex1.html

ahh, not heard of that before. Will go look. It offers weather news,
but I saw no mention of real time temp measurement.

I didnt find any commercial diff stats, need to make your own. Not hard
though.


NT

Pete C wrote:
On 6 Apr 2005 07:54:18 -0700, wrote:

1. a big external fan on a timer, or better on a differential
thermostat. I've had typically 4-6C drop with this arrangement, max
10C. The idea is to run it evening and night only, bringing in
cooler
air for hours cools down the house structure so you get less peak
temp
in the next day.

Hi,

What time of day generally does it start when using a differential
thermostat, and does the time vary a lot either side of this?

It varies a lot, you wont get much result if you do it on a timer.


NT

In article .com,
writes:
In the UK it's the humidity not the
temperature that is the problem.

If that were really true,

1. people would use a dehumidifier instead of a/c,

No they wouldn't because a dehumidifier chucks out loads of heat too.

whereas in reality it doesnt make much difference

because is counteracts the drop in humidity with a rise in temperature.

A/C works very well even if it doesn't drop the temperature,
as it does drop the humidy very significantly.

2. evaporative coolers, which improve comfort by several degrees (but
thats all) would make things worse not better.

They do indeed make things worse, although they often don't work
at all in UK climate as it's too humid. They work very well in
dry heat, which we never get.

RH does matter, but it seems to have been blown out of proportion in
popular thinking.

RH governs you body's ability to cool itself, which is actually
much more important than the temperature.

--
Andrew Gabriel

Holly in France wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:44:29 GMT, s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:

On 8 Apr 2005 01:01:50 -0700, (markzoom) wrote:

That was almost entirely their own fault.

So it's old people's fault that they are old? People with asthma are
to blame are they?

There are many countries
where it's hot (not warm) all year round and people don't die from it

Yes, they do.

Lots (was it something like 5000?) of elderly people died from the heat in
France last year.

And apparently an extra 5000 subsequently didn't (see other post). In
any case, it's not really comparable with any warm weather we get in
GB. A few warm days are sure preferable to an extra cold spell (which
the brits seem totally crap at coping with either).
M.K.

In message , markzoom
writes
Air
conditioners work by creating a cold draught too.

No, they work by circulating air at a controlled rate of flow. If properly
designed, that rate of flow is less than the level that will be perceived as
a draft.

Colin Bignell

I think you might be one of those people who would benefit greatly
from experiencing or even seeing some real "hardship". A place where
3" cockroaches, swarms of mosquitoes and 2ft lizards croaking +
scrabbling about on the tin roof keep you awake would be just the
thing for you. Coconuts crashing down on it in the middle of the night
can be a bit of a nuisance, not as bad as the neighbours cockerel
though.... You'd really get to appreciate "draughts".
M.K.

Huh - I bet you've never had a cockroach fall off a rafter into your
mouth while you were asleep

Yuuuuk

--
geoff

In message , Doctor Evil
writes

I do wish you'd stop wanking

......yes he did say that above.....he did........incredible I know.......

snip babbling balls to make matters easier for all of you

Well if you did, you might be able to spell correctly, and actually
think what you were saying


--
geoff

In message , markzoom
writes
(s--p--o--n--i--x) wrote in message
...
On 6 Apr 2005 17:18:51 -0700, (markzoom) wrote:


Ya big girl's blouse!
There is no such thing as "unbearable heat" in the UK.

Try telling that to the people that died last year, due to the heat.

That was almost entirely their own fault. There are many countries
where it's hot (not warm) all year round and people don't die from it
(nor do they have air conditioning). Hell, even in europe most
countries have hotter summers than in GB.
You need to toughen up. Air conditioning (in the UK) is for whimps.
M.K.

Wot 'e said

--
geoff

In message .com,
writes
The problem I find with the UK is that even with an unbearably humid
day the evenings can still be very cool so I wouldn't want my house
any
cooler at night thanks.

it is sometimes necessary to limit how cold it gets at night.
Thermostats take care of the comfort zone.

FFS, when I was a kid I had ice on the inside of my bedroom window

--
geoff

markzoom wrote:

coats in the middle of summer!). Asthmatics die because they don't use
their medication.

You do talk ********.

I have a friend who has serious (i.e. life theatening) asthma, her
breathing (at its best) is well *below* the level at which most
asthmatics are instructed to ring for an ambulance. This is on full
medication. In the summer the heat and humidity means her breathing gets
worse. Putting her at very great risk.

That is their fault, not someone else's, and certainly not the fault
of the taxpayer for not providing every pensioner/asthmatic with air
conditioning, dipstick.

Er, who was suggesting that the taxpayer provides aircon?

As it happens I thought that aircon probably would help my friend
greatly in the worst two or three summer months, so I bought her a
monoblock aircon unit so she could have at least one cool and dry room
in the house to seek respite in. Guess what? I was right, it does help
greatly.

So get over it.

Rarely, and usually it's again their own fault. In GB you have to be
terminally stupid to die from warm weather.

You would have to be terminally stupid to believe that only stupid
people die in hot weather. Lets face it, you are still here.


--
Cheers,

John.

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raden wrote in message ...
In message , markzoom
writes
Air
conditioners work by creating a cold draught too.

No, they work by circulating air at a controlled rate of flow. If properly
designed, that rate of flow is less than the level that will be perceived as
a draft.

Colin Bignell

I think you might be one of those people who would benefit greatly
from experiencing or even seeing some real "hardship". A place where
3" cockroaches, swarms of mosquitoes and 2ft lizards croaking +
scrabbling about on the tin roof keep you awake would be just the
thing for you. Coconuts crashing down on it in the middle of the night
can be a bit of a nuisance, not as bad as the neighbours cockerel
though.... You'd really get to appreciate "draughts".
M.K.

Huh - I bet you've never had a cockroach fall off a rafter into your
mouth while you were asleep

Yuuuuk

Yuuuk, no! But then I did bring a mosquito net.
M.K.

In article ,
raden wrote:
it is sometimes necessary to limit how cold it gets at night.
Thermostats take care of the comfort zone.

FFS, when I was a kid I had ice on the inside of my bedroom window

You had glass in your windows? Kids these days...

--
*One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

John Rumm wrote in message ...
markzoom wrote:

coats in the middle of summer!). Asthmatics die because they don't use
their medication.

You do talk ********.

I have a friend who has serious (i.e. life theatening) asthma, her
breathing (at its best) is well *below* the level at which most
asthmatics are instructed to ring for an ambulance. This is on full
medication. In the summer the heat and humidity means her breathing gets
worse. Putting her at very great risk.

That is their fault, not someone else's, and certainly not the fault
of the taxpayer for not providing every pensioner/asthmatic with air
conditioning, dipstick.

Er, who was suggesting that the taxpayer provides aircon?

As it happens I thought that aircon probably would help my friend
greatly in the worst two or three summer months, so I bought her a
monoblock aircon unit so she could have at least one cool and dry room
in the house to seek respite in. Guess what? I was right, it does help
greatly.

So get over it.

Rarely, and usually it's again their own fault. In GB you have to be
terminally stupid to die from warm weather.

You would have to be terminally stupid to believe that only stupid
people die in hot weather. Lets face it, you are still here.


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Cheers,

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All the above being irrelevant since the poster is neither old nor asthmatic.
M.K.

markzoom wrote:

All the above being irrelevant since the poster is neither old nor asthmatic.
M.K.

Have you been taking Dr. Drivel pills?

Your post had nothing to do with the OP. I was responding to your post.
You are the one who said "Asthmatics die because they don't use
their medication. That is their fault, not someone else's".

I was highligting that the statement was plainly untrue and ilogical as
well as being just plain offensive.

The OP wanted advice on choice of air conditioner, not a lecture about
how you think you could spend his money more wisely than him, Have you
ever thought of getting into politics? You would feel well at home.


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John Rumm wrote:
markzoom wrote:

All the above being irrelevant since the poster is neither old nor
asthmatic.
M.K.

Have you been taking Dr. Drivel pills?

Your post had nothing to do with the OP. I was responding to your
post.
You are the one who said "Asthmatics die because they don't use
their medication. That is their fault, not someone else's".

I was highligting that the statement was plainly untrue and ilogical
as
well as being just plain offensive.

The OP wanted advice on choice of air conditioner, not a lecture
about
how you think you could spend his money more wisely than him, Have
you
ever thought of getting into politics? You would feel well at home.

The trouble with giving a sensible reply is you only get another
halfwit response... then another. And nothing gets done meanwhile.


NT

John Rumm wrote:
markzoom wrote:

All the above being irrelevant since the poster is neither old nor
asthmatic.
M.K.

Have you been taking Dr. Drivel pills?

Your post had nothing to do with the OP. I was responding to your
post.
You are the one who said "Asthmatics die because they don't use
their medication. That is their fault, not someone else's".

I was highligting that the statement was plainly untrue and ilogical
as
well as being just plain offensive.

The OP wanted advice on choice of air conditioner, not a lecture
about
how you think you could spend his money more wisely than him, Have
you
ever thought of getting into politics? You would feel well at home.

The trouble with giving a sensible reply is you only get another
halfwit response... then another. And nothing gets done meanwhile.


NT

John Rumm wrote in message ...
markzoom wrote:

All the above being irrelevant since the poster is neither old nor asthmatic.
M.K.

Have you been taking Dr. Drivel pills?

No, I'm getting tired of responding to your's though.


Your post had nothing to do with the OP. I was responding to your post.
You are the one who said "Asthmatics die because they don't use
their medication. That is their fault, not someone else's".

So who's fault is it then?


I was highligting that the statement was plainly untrue and ilogical as
well as being just plain offensive.

The OP wanted advice on choice of air conditioner, not a lecture about
how you think you could spend his money more wisely than him, Have you
ever thought of getting into politics? You would feel well at home.

I'm much to forthright for that, and I stand by my statement that
anyone considering air conditioning for a normal brit bedroom is a
liliylivered big girl's blouse, whatsmore everyone is affected by the
pollution caused from unecessary energy use (heatwaves being an
apparent side-effect).
You wouldn't be a maggot-dicked SUV driver by any chance? They are the
worst.

M.K.





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markzoom wrote :-
I'm much to forthright for that, and I stand by my statement that
anyone considering air conditioning for a normal brit bedroom is a
liliylivered big girl's blouse, whatsmore everyone is affected by the
pollution caused from unecessary energy use (heatwaves being an
apparent side-effect).
You wouldn't be a maggot-dicked SUV driver by any chance? They are the
worst.

Try working nights or try working full stop.

I blame the parents, its very irresponsible letting little mark have
uncontrolled net access.

Regards Jeff

On 8 Apr 2005 12:40:42 -0700, wrote:

Pete C wrote:

For a more permanent install some louvres would help hide the fan
itself, and rubber or foam bushings to minimise any fan noise.

I would not put a fan on the loft floor at all,

No, built horizontally into the hatch...

it will be a real
annoyance. If you want to try it, sure, but almost any fan is going to
make an unacceptable racket at night.

IME the fans aren't that noisy on low, they could always be switched
off for a while and there would be some convection through the hatch
instead. What sort of set up do you have, is it switched off at night?

Fitting extra window locks that allow you to have the top 2" of the
windows staying open is more useful. And putting in crossflow
ventilation in the loft to cool that down.

Not easy to add crossflow ventilation I would have thought.

I didnt find any commercial diff stats, need to make your own. Not hard
though.

Not easy for everybody. Using a timer or doing it manually would give
some idea of how well it works and so whether it's worth making a
differential stat.

cheers,
Pete.

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 00:02:42 GMT, raden wrote:

In message .com,
writes

it is sometimes necessary to limit how cold it gets at night.
Thermostats take care of the comfort zone.

FFS, when I was a kid I had ice on the inside of my bedroom window

You sound like my folks, but I tell them 'you're not SEVENTEEN now
you're SEVENTY odd!'

Though it doesn't get that cold in summer here, nothing a light duvet
couldn't handle.

cheers,
Pete.

Jeff wrote:

For those of us who work nights and sleep during the day Aircon is
the only
practical solution, all this talk of earth pipes, etc etc does not
really
apply as we are talking about one room in isolation. Opening a window
is not
an option for noise reasons.

how would this rule out earth pipes?


I will be getting aircon after our extension is completed because we
are
moving our bedroom to the south side so it will be considerably
hotter, the

a shade plant would help, whatever you put in. Even if you use a/c your
bills will be lower, and youll have lots of fruit to enjoy each year.
This alone wont transform the temp situation, but each move makes it
1-2-3C cooler.


NT

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article .com,
writes:

In the UK it's the humidity not the
temperature that is the problem.

If that were really true,

1. people would use a dehumidifier instead of a/c,

No they wouldn't because a dehumidifier chucks out loads of heat too.

1

whereas in reality it doesnt make much difference

because is counteracts the drop in humidity with a rise in
temperature.

2

A/C works very well even if it doesn't drop the temperature,
as it does drop the humidy very significantly.

3

2. evaporative coolers, which improve comfort by several degrees
(but
thats all) would make things worse not better.

They do indeed make things worse,

4

although they often don't work
at all in UK climate as it's too humid. They work very well in
dry heat, which we never get.

RH does matter, but it seems to have been blown out of proportion
in
popular thinking.

RH governs you body's ability to cool itself, which is actually
much more important than the temperature.

5

5 mistakes

NT

Pete C wrote:
On 8 Apr 2005 12:40:42 -0700, wrote:

For a more permanent install some louvres would help hide the fan
itself, and rubber or foam bushings to minimise any fan noise.

I would not put a fan on the loft floor at all,

No, built horizontally into the hatch...

ok, have it your way, but dont blame me when you realise why it wasnt
such a great idea.


it will be a real
annoyance. If you want to try it, sure, but almost any fan is going
to
make an unacceptable racket at night.

IME the fans aren't that noisy on low,

theyre inadequate on full, on low just a waste of time.


they could always be switched
off for a while

really useful

and there would be some convection through the hatch
instead.

even less than useless


What sort of set up do you have, is it switched off at night?

Here I've got none of this in yet, cant wait to do it again, but
priorities etc.

What I used was
1. 24 hour indoor/outdoor temp whatnot
2. Passive crossflow venting on top floor
3. Plus 12" Forced venting for extra fast cooldown when nedeed
4. full house wall shading

1,2,3 got me 4-10C of improvement.
4 I dont know, as there was not enough monitoring to record temp
changes.

At a previous addr I also used evaporative cooling which helps a bit
more, and high power fanning, which is remarkably effective, but a bit
impractical. 1.4kW of fan per room feels lovely and cool, even at 30C,
but is damn noisy, guzzles power, and you can forget even owning
paperwork, let alone doing it. I spose one advantage is no need for
dusting

This time I'm thinking of going for upstairs crossflow first, then
hopefully earth pipe or loft ventilation to give complete cool all
summer on minimal energy use.


Fitting extra window locks that allow you to have the top 2" of the
windows staying open is more useful. And putting in crossflow
ventilation in the loft to cool that down.

Not easy to add crossflow ventilation I would have thought.

I'm not sure what problem you see. It is simple to add locks to sash
windows so they sit 2" open. Open front and back, and you get cross
ventilation. It will often be necessary to add door grills as well.


I didnt find any commercial diff stats, need to make your own. Not
hard
though.

Not easy for everybody.

no. IIRC Redrok.com had some of the simplest designs.


Using a timer or doing it manually would give
some idea of how well it works and so whether it's worth making a
differential stat.

As I explained Pete, it is as good as useless, but do as you wish. I
did try it.


NT

wrote in message
ups.com...
Jeff wrote:

For those of us who work nights and sleep during the day Aircon is
the only
practical solution, all this talk of earth pipes, etc etc does not
really
apply as we are talking about one room in isolation. Opening a window
is not
an option for noise reasons.

how would this rule out earth pipes?

It would be economically unviable as a one room solution imho



I will be getting aircon after our extension is completed because we
are
moving our bedroom to the south side so it will be considerably
hotter, the

a shade plant would help, whatever you put in. Even if you use a/c your
bills will be lower, and youll have lots of fruit to enjoy each year.
This alone wont transform the temp situation, but each move makes it
1-2-3C cooler.

Yes I agree but when I dont have enough sleep i am a nasty so and so
therefore I would probably be divorced before the shade plant had time to
grow :-)

Regards Jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...
Jeff wrote:

For those of us who work nights and sleep during the day Aircon is
the only
practical solution, all this talk of earth pipes, etc etc does not
really
apply as we are talking about one room in isolation. Opening a window
is not
an option for noise reasons.

how would this rule out earth pipes?

It would be economically unviable as a one room solution imho

Not so. Do all the points I have highlighted and install an earth pipe and
no polluting a/c needed. Are you obese?



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"Jeff" wrote in message ...
markzoom wrote :-
I'm much to forthright for that, and I stand by my statement that
anyone considering air conditioning for a normal brit bedroom is a
liliylivered big girl's blouse, whatsmore everyone is affected by the
pollution caused from unecessary energy use (heatwaves being an
apparent side-effect).
You wouldn't be a maggot-dicked SUV driver by any chance? They are the
worst.

Try working nights

Two years inshore trawler crew from tidal harbour after leaving 6th
form.


or try working full stop.

My business is running fine thanks, has done for 16 years.

I blame the parents, its very irresponsible letting little mark have
uncontrolled net access.

Mark has apparently manged to bruise the fragile little ego of a
maggot-dicked SUV driver.


Regards Jeff

In message , markzoom
writes

I think you might be one of those people who would benefit greatly
from experiencing or even seeing some real "hardship". A place where
3" cockroaches, swarms of mosquitoes and 2ft lizards croaking +
scrabbling about on the tin roof keep you awake would be just the
thing for you. Coconuts crashing down on it in the middle of the night
can be a bit of a nuisance, not as bad as the neighbours cockerel
though.... You'd really get to appreciate "draughts".
M.K.

Huh - I bet you've never had a cockroach fall off a rafter into your
mouth while you were asleep

Yuuuuk

Yuuuk, no! But then I did bring a mosquito net.
M.K.

Mosquito nets? Girly attire

I used an electrical mosquito repellent together with Raid and a towel
rolled up with a wetted end (AKA a rats tail)

But then you have Dengue fever mosquitos which attack during the day



--
geoff

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
raden wrote:
it is sometimes necessary to limit how cold it gets at night.
Thermostats take care of the comfort zone.

FFS, when I was a kid I had ice on the inside of my bedroom window

You had glass in your windows? Kids these days...

Did I say anything about glass?

Well yes we did - very middle class

--
geoff

markzoom wrote:

Have you been taking Dr. Drivel pills?


No, I'm getting tired of responding to your's though.

That is a non sequiter.

Your post had nothing to do with the OP. I was responding to your post.
You are the one who said "Asthmatics die because they don't use
their medication. That is their fault, not someone else's".


So who's fault is it then?

Does it have to be anyones fault? Is it someones fault they have an
auto-immune disese? Is it someones fault that heat and humidity makes it
worse?

The OP wanted advice on choice of air conditioner, not a lecture about
how you think you could spend his money more wisely than him, Have you
ever thought of getting into politics? You would feel well at home.


I'm much to forthright for that, and I stand by my statement that
anyone considering air conditioning for a normal brit bedroom is a
liliylivered big girl's blouse,

You know what, who cares?

whatsmore everyone is affected by the
pollution caused from unecessary energy use (heatwaves being an
apparent side-effect).

Oh get a grip man.

500W AC running 8 hours / night for say 30 days / year = 120 kWh, or
about the same amount of polution generated as a couple of hours driving
about in your car.

You wouldn't be a maggot-dicked SUV driver by any chance? They are the
worst.

Ah willy waving I see. Yes I can see you obviously have a large one, I
can just make out the foreskin poking out the top of your neck.

--
Cheers,

John.

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Jeff wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Jeff wrote:

For those of us who work nights and sleep during the day Aircon
is
the only
practical solution, all this talk of earth pipes, etc etc does
not
really
apply as we are talking about one room in isolation. Opening a
window
is not
an option for noise reasons.

how would this rule out earth pipes?

It would be economically unviable as a one room solution imho

then what numbers are you looking at for
install ac
run cost of ac for 10 years
replace ac

versus

install earth pipe
run cost of earth pipe for 10 yrs
and just replace the fan after 10 yrs


I will be getting aircon after our extension is completed because
we
are
moving our bedroom to the south side so it will be considerably
hotter, the

a shade plant would help, whatever you put in. Even if you use a/c
your
bills will be lower, and youll have lots of fruit to enjoy each
year.
This alone wont transform the temp situation, but each move makes
it
1-2-3C cooler.

Yes I agree but when I dont have enough sleep i am a nasty so and so
therefore I would probably be divorced before the shade plant had
time to
grow :-)

whatever cooling you put in, the plant is still worthwile. Some will
grow to the first floor in 1 year, eg passionfruit. And earth pipe
should manage 1 room with no shading, but with shading will mean the
fan runs less and you get the fruit, and you can cool the rest of he
house as well.

There are gotchas with climnbers: avoid ivy and other things that try
to burrow into the wall, avoid slow growers, have the base 8-12" from
the wall, cut the thing back before it reaches the eaves, and if it
ever develops a thick trunk at the ground, cut it down completely and
replant. Thick wood trunks can damage walls.


NT