In article ,
says...
The keys are held in with bolts,
but they also appear to be held in by punching the join between the key and
the casting. When I remove the bolts, the keys still won't come out, even
if I whack them laterally with a mallet (using a piece of wood to avoid
denting anything). I didn't try whacking with all my might.

What's the right way to remove these, without damaging anything?


If these key are accurate, they may be a good way to line up your vise
with your table.

Jim Kovar
Vulcan, Mi

Walter Harley wrote:

Thanks to everyone's help here, I bought an Enco 4" milling vise. I
unbolted it from its swivel base, since it's one more thing to not be true
and it steals precious inches of height (I have a small mill/drill without
much vertical clearance).

I want to mount the vise directly onto my mill/drill table. But after
removing it from the base, there are two rectangular keys protruding from
its bottom, about 1/2" square by 1" long. The keys are held in with bolts,
but they also appear to be held in by punching the join between the key and
the casting. When I remove the bolts, the keys still won't come out, even
if I whack them laterally with a mallet (using a piece of wood to avoid
denting anything). I didn't try whacking with all my might.

What's the right way to remove these, without damaging anything?

Try a piece of brass and a BFH. Or maybe a piece of round stock fit into
the bolt hole to pry it out.

michael

Those are locating lugs to assist you in setting the vice parallel to the
table by pushing both lugs against one of the table slots. They should be
removable - like they should fall out when the bolts are removed. I've
never heard of any being pressed in. Try removing the bolts part way out
and whacking on the bolt as to effect a rocking motion of the key.

Bob Swinney
"Walter Harley" wrote in message
...
Thanks to everyone's help here, I bought an Enco 4" milling vise. I
unbolted it from its swivel base, since it's one more thing to not be true
and it steals precious inches of height (I have a small mill/drill without
much vertical clearance).

I want to mount the vise directly onto my mill/drill table. But after
removing it from the base, there are two rectangular keys protruding from
its bottom, about 1/2" square by 1" long. The keys are held in with
bolts,
but they also appear to be held in by punching the join between the key
and
the casting. When I remove the bolts, the keys still won't come out, even
if I whack them laterally with a mallet (using a piece of wood to avoid
denting anything). I didn't try whacking with all my might.

What's the right way to remove these, without damaging anything?

On 25 Aug 2004 22:30:46 GMT, "Walter Harley"
wrote:

Thanks to everyone's help here, I bought an Enco 4" milling vise. I
unbolted it from its swivel base, since it's one more thing to not be true
and it steals precious inches of height (I have a small mill/drill without
much vertical clearance).

I want to mount the vise directly onto my mill/drill table. But after
removing it from the base, there are two rectangular keys protruding from
its bottom, about 1/2" square by 1" long. The keys are held in with bolts,
but they also appear to be held in by punching the join between the key and
the casting. When I remove the bolts, the keys still won't come out, even
if I whack them laterally with a mallet (using a piece of wood to avoid
denting anything). I didn't try whacking with all my might.

What's the right way to remove these, without damaging anything?

Why would you want to remove them? They are the locating keys for the
slot in your mill table.

Gunner

"In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by
the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked
out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman
Liebmann

On 25 Aug 2004 23:48:55 GMT, "Walter Harley"
wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
says...
The keys are held in with bolts,
but they also appear to be held in by punching the join between the key
and
the casting. When I remove the bolts, the keys still won't come out,
even
if I whack them laterally with a mallet (using a piece of wood to avoid
denting anything). I didn't try whacking with all my might.

What's the right way to remove these, without damaging anything?


If these key are accurate, they may be a good way to line up your vise
with your table.


Unfortunately, they're aligned along an axis that is perpendicular to the
flanges for the tee slots; so, if I have the vise mounted to the tee slots,
the keys are sitting up on top of the table, keeping the vise from lying
flat. If I mounted the vise parallel to the X axis of the table I might be
able to use them, but I think that then the tee slots wouldn't line up with
the flanges (plus, I wouldn't be able to clamp long pieces).

The keys are at 90' to the vise jaws? Thats a wierd one. Most of the
time they are parallel with the vise jaws. I dont think Ive ever seen
em 90' out,. before.

Gunner

"In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by
the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked
out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman
Liebmann

Walter Harley wrote:

Thanks to everyone's help here, I bought an Enco 4" milling vise. I
unbolted it from its swivel base, since it's one more thing to not be true
and it steals precious inches of height (I have a small mill/drill without
much vertical clearance).

I want to mount the vise directly onto my mill/drill table. But after
removing it from the base, there are two rectangular keys protruding from
its bottom, about 1/2" square by 1" long. The keys are held in with bolts,
but they also appear to be held in by punching the join between the key and
the casting. When I remove the bolts, the keys still won't come out, even
if I whack them laterally with a mallet (using a piece of wood to avoid
denting anything). I didn't try whacking with all my might.

What's the right way to remove these, without damaging anything?


Those are table slot keys - and likely used in the rotation base to set zero in the
same spot every time...

The keys should fit down into your T-slots snugly and if not, additional keys can be
bought from the vendor. (with luck).

I bought a pair for my Kurt and they really help in alignment / tramming.

Martin

--
Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

Walter Harley wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...
The keys are held in with bolts,

but they also appear to be held in by punching the join between the key
and
the casting. When I remove the bolts, the keys still won't come out,
even
if I whack them laterally with a mallet (using a piece of wood to avoid
denting anything). I didn't try whacking with all my might.

What's the right way to remove these, without damaging anything?


If these key are accurate, they may be a good way to line up your vise
with your table.



Unfortunately, they're aligned along an axis that is perpendicular to the
flanges for the tee slots; so, if I have the vise mounted to the tee slots,
the keys are sitting up on top of the table, keeping the vise from lying
flat. If I mounted the vise parallel to the X axis of the table I might be
able to use them, but I think that then the tee slots wouldn't line up with
the flanges (plus, I wouldn't be able to clamp long pieces).


Can the pair be rotated to another set of slots ? at 90 degree ?

I did that to my Kurt today - had been using the vise length way (not the normal way)
on the table so I had the keys 90 out of normal. Today, being done with the project,
I swapped the keys back and mounted the vise crosswise (normal way).

The item I was milling was a bit to deep for milling. For the life of me, I don't know
why I didn't rotate the work - I think I was fixed on having the long sides in the jaws
or something. Likely just a bad mental thought at the time. But the job was completed.

Martin

--
Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

Walter Harley wrote:

Thanks to everyone's help here, I bought an Enco 4" milling vise. I
unbolted it from its swivel base, since it's one more thing to not be true
and it steals precious inches of height (I have a small mill/drill without
much vertical clearance).

I want to mount the vise directly onto my mill/drill table. But after
removing it from the base, there are two rectangular keys protruding from
its bottom, about 1/2" square by 1" long. The keys are held in with bolts,
but they also appear to be held in by punching the join between the key and
the casting. When I remove the bolts, the keys still won't come out, even
if I whack them laterally with a mallet (using a piece of wood to avoid
denting anything). I didn't try whacking with all my might.

What's the right way to remove these, without damaging anything?


I have used the screw in my fingers to tip the block out.

Martin

--
Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:48:55 +0000, Walter Harley wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
The keys are held in with bolts,
but they also appear to be held in by punching the join between the key
and
the casting. When I remove the bolts, the keys still won't come out,
even
if I whack them laterally with a mallet (using a piece of wood to avoid
denting anything). I didn't try whacking with all my might.

What's the right way to remove these, without damaging anything?


If these key are accurate, they may be a good way to line up your vise
with your table.


Unfortunately, they're aligned along an axis that is perpendicular to the
flanges for the tee slots; so, if I have the vise mounted to the tee slots,
the keys are sitting up on top of the table, keeping the vise from lying
flat. If I mounted the vise parallel to the X axis of the table I might be
able to use them, but I think that then the tee slots wouldn't line up with
the flanges (plus, I wouldn't be able to clamp long pieces).

When I got my cheap Palmgren vise it had no locating keys. One of the first
things I did was to go out and get some key stock at the hardware store to
mill up some keys. I milled my keys to be square rather than rectangular so
they would fit into the t-slot either way.

If you are a daring individual, what you could do is to bolt a chunk of steel
down directly to the milling table and then clamp your vise onto that, only
upside down, and then mill those keys to be square, in situ. You should only
need to mill the keys flush with the bottom of the vise, and you should be
sire that the vise is square and plumb with the table during set-up.

In fact, the whole process could be summed up into several steps:

1: get a piece of steel stock that will just fit into the vise.
2: bore two holes in the stock, one near each end, and large enough
to clear your t-bolts.
3: clamp the stock to the table using t-bolts
4: take truing cuts in the stock. Mill the faces of the stock that
the jaws of the vise will be clamping to so that they are parallel
to the x-axis of the table
5: clamp your vise upside down onto the stock. Do not remove the stock
from the table, as this will disturb your alignment. Also make sure that
the vise, when clamped in place, is level with the surface of the table.
6: Finally, mill down each key to make its "top" face square.

P.S. Of course, make sure that the bolts are reinstalled in the keys before
milling them.

"Walter Harley" wrote in message ...
Thanks to everyone's help here, I bought an Enco 4" milling vise. I
unbolted it from its swivel base, since it's one more thing to not be true
and it steals precious inches of height (I have a small mill/drill without
much vertical clearance).
[...]

Yeah, I only got a "quick vise" because of the height issue.