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Science and the whacko left on supposed Glable Whamming
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:05:47 AM UTC-5, RD Sandman wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote in : On 13/12/2016 12:54 AM, Mr. B1ack wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:13:22 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote: On 11/12/2016 5:57 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 09:36:09 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote: On 11/12/2016 4:39 AM, Winston_Smith wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 06:31:38 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote: On the other side we have SCIENCE. EVERY single climatologist on the planet agrees ... Oh you want science, do you? I found two interesting versions of the same story today. ==WS SCIENCE https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...rce=web&cd=11& cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjwytPWi-rQAhUDRiYKHQmUDqsQ1ScIWzAK&url=h ttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle% 2Fominous-story- of-syria-climate-refugees%2F&usg=AFQjCNEwrulC98nWrPXwtxoojVm4G4pJQ w The Ominous Story of Syria's Climate Refugees Syria's water crisis is largely of its own making. Back in the 1970s, the military regime led by President Hafez al-Assad launched an ill-conceived drive for agricultural self-sufficiency. No one seemed to consider whether Syria had sufficient groundwater and rainfall to raise those crops. Farmers made up for water shortages by drilling wells to tap the country's underground water reserves. When water tables retreated, people dug deeper. In 2005 the regime of Assad's son and successor, President Bashar al-Assad, made it illegal to dig new wells without a license issued personally, for a fee, by an official€”but it was mostly ignored, out of necessity. WHACKO LEFT REPORTING https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/.../10/drought-he lped-caused-syrias-war-will-climate-change-bring-more-like-it/ Drought helped cause Syrias war. Will climate change bring more like it? **If you're trying to say that news reports are not necessarily very scientifically rigorous, then I agree. If you want to know about a subject, refer to the best source possible. That is rarely a news media piece. If you want to educate yourself about AGW, this is where you need to go: www.ipcc.ch "Dot-ch" ??? Sorry, but any science about GW has long since been replaced by the POLITICS of GW ... various entities with competing agendas. Facts CAN be found ... but only buried in professional scientific journals that Joe Average won't/can't read. Even worse, YOU have to figure out what it means. **I've been reading those professional scientific journals since the mid-1970s. ALL their data is now available at: www.ipcc.ch Um ... ALL ... or "selected" ? It's important. **_ALL_ the available scientific reports. That includes the ones that claimed we were heading for an ice age. Amazing how they went from theory to another with no change in facts. No, no, no. That's not what happened. The "coming ice age" that climate deniers toss around as if they know what they're talking about was to come AFTER a big melt of the Arctic ice cap and a flooding of coastal cities. It was a hypothesis proposed by Maurice Ewing and William Donn in 1956, and then turned into popular, sensationalist disaster books about ten years later. The hypothesis never had widespread acceptance but the data provided fodder for the early modern work on climate change. Here's the popular article (from Harper's) that got the snowball rolling among the public: http://harpers.org/archive/1958/09/the-coming-ice-age/ Like, sheesh, RD. d8-) -- Ed Huntress -- RD Sandman Airspeed, altitude and brains....two of the three are always required to complete a mission. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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... On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:05:47 AM UTC-5, RD Sandman wrote: Trevor Wilson wrote in : On 13/12/2016 12:54 AM, Mr. B1ack wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:13:22 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote: On 11/12/2016 5:57 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 09:36:09 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote: On 11/12/2016 4:39 AM, Winston_Smith wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 06:31:38 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote: On the other side we have SCIENCE. EVERY single climatologist on the planet agrees ... Oh you want science, do you? I found two interesting versions of the same story today. ==WS SCIENCE https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...rce=web&cd=11& cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjwytPWi-rQAhUDRiYKHQmUDqsQ1ScIWzAK&url=h ttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle% 2Fominous-story- of-syria-climate-refugees%2F&usg=AFQjCNEwrulC98nWrPXwtxoojVm4G4pJQ w The Ominous Story of Syria's Climate Refugees Syria's water crisis is largely of its own making. Back in the 1970s, the military regime led by President Hafez al-Assad launched an ill-conceived drive for agricultural self-sufficiency. No one seemed to consider whether Syria had sufficient groundwater and rainfall to raise those crops. Farmers made up for water shortages by drilling wells to tap the country's underground water reserves. When water tables retreated, people dug deeper. In 2005 the regime of Assad's son and successor, President Bashar al-Assad, made it illegal to dig new wells without a license issued personally, for a fee, by an official-but it was mostly ignored, out of necessity. WHACKO LEFT REPORTING https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/.../10/drought-he lped-caused-syrias-war-will-climate-change-bring-more-like-it/ Drought helped cause Syria's war. Will climate change bring more like it? **If you're trying to say that news reports are not necessarily very scientifically rigorous, then I agree. If you want to know about a subject, refer to the best source possible. That is rarely a news media piece. If you want to educate yourself about AGW, this is where you need to go: www.ipcc.ch "Dot-ch" ??? Sorry, but any science about GW has long since been replaced by the POLITICS of GW ... various entities with competing agendas. Facts CAN be found ... but only buried in professional scientific journals that Joe Average won't/can't read. Even worse, YOU have to figure out what it means. **I've been reading those professional scientific journals since the mid-1970s. ALL their data is now available at: www.ipcc.ch Um ... ALL ... or "selected" ? It's important. **_ALL_ the available scientific reports. That includes the ones that claimed we were heading for an ice age. Amazing how they went from theory to another with no change in facts. No, no, no. That's not what happened. The "coming ice age" that climate deniers toss around as if they know what they're talking about was to come AFTER a big melt of the Arctic ice cap and a flooding of coastal cities. It was a hypothesis proposed by Maurice Ewing and William Donn in 1956, and then turned into popular, sensationalist disaster books about ten years later. The hypothesis never had widespread acceptance but the data provided fodder for the early modern work on climate change. Here's the popular article (from Harper's) that got the snowball rolling among the public: http://harpers.org/archive/1958/09/the-coming-ice-age/ Like, sheesh, RD. d8-) -- Ed Huntress http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm |
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Science and the whacko left on supposed Glable Whamming
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:56:07 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:05:47 AM UTC-5, RD Sandman wrote: Trevor Wilson wrote in : On 13/12/2016 12:54 AM, Mr. B1ack wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:13:22 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote: On 11/12/2016 5:57 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 09:36:09 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote: On 11/12/2016 4:39 AM, Winston_Smith wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 06:31:38 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote: On the other side we have SCIENCE. EVERY single climatologist on the planet agrees ... Oh you want science, do you? I found two interesting versions of the same story today. ==WS SCIENCE https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...rce=web&cd=11& cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjwytPWi-rQAhUDRiYKHQmUDqsQ1ScIWzAK&url=h ttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle% 2Fominous-story- of-syria-climate-refugees%2F&usg=AFQjCNEwrulC98nWrPXwtxoojVm4G4pJQ w The Ominous Story of Syria's Climate Refugees Syria's water crisis is largely of its own making. Back in the 1970s, the military regime led by President Hafez al-Assad launched an ill-conceived drive for agricultural self-sufficiency. No one seemed to consider whether Syria had sufficient groundwater and rainfall to raise those crops. Farmers made up for water shortages by drilling wells to tap the country's underground water reserves. When water tables retreated, people dug deeper. In 2005 the regime of Assad's son and successor, President Bashar al-Assad, made it illegal to dig new wells without a license issued personally, for a fee, by an official-but it was mostly ignored, out of necessity. WHACKO LEFT REPORTING https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/.../10/drought-he lped-caused-syrias-war-will-climate-change-bring-more-like-it/ Drought helped cause Syria's war. Will climate change bring more like it? **If you're trying to say that news reports are not necessarily very scientifically rigorous, then I agree. If you want to know about a subject, refer to the best source possible. That is rarely a news media piece. If you want to educate yourself about AGW, this is where you need to go: www.ipcc.ch "Dot-ch" ??? Sorry, but any science about GW has long since been replaced by the POLITICS of GW ... various entities with competing agendas. Facts CAN be found ... but only buried in professional scientific journals that Joe Average won't/can't read. Even worse, YOU have to figure out what it means. **I've been reading those professional scientific journals since the mid-1970s. ALL their data is now available at: www.ipcc.ch Um ... ALL ... or "selected" ? It's important. **_ALL_ the available scientific reports. That includes the ones that claimed we were heading for an ice age. Amazing how they went from theory to another with no change in facts. No, no, no. That's not what happened. The "coming ice age" that climate deniers toss around as if they know what they're talking about was to come AFTER a big melt of the Arctic ice cap and a flooding of coastal cities. It was a hypothesis proposed by Maurice Ewing and William Donn in 1956, and then turned into popular, sensationalist disaster books about ten years later. The hypothesis never had widespread acceptance but the data provided fodder for the early modern work on climate change. Here's the popular article (from Harper's) that got the snowball rolling among the public: http://harpers.org/archive/1958/09/the-coming-ice-age/ Like, sheesh, RD. d8-) -- Ed Huntress http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm ....And there's one of the sensationalist stories. Note that there are no quantifiers there of how many or which "kind" of climatologists said anything.. But the quote from NAS makes clear that the journalists were reaching for stories where the scientists, at that time, had only questions: €śOur knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data,€ť concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. €śNot only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.€ť -- Ed Huntress |
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