On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:05:47 AM UTC-5, RD Sandman wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote in
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On 13/12/2016 12:54 AM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:13:22 +1100, Trevor Wilson
wrote:

On 11/12/2016 5:57 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 09:36:09 +1100, Trevor Wilson
wrote:

On 11/12/2016 4:39 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 06:31:38 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On the other side we have
SCIENCE. EVERY single climatologist on the planet agrees ...

Oh you want science, do you? I found two interesting versions of
the same story today.
==WS


SCIENCE
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...rce=web&cd=11&
cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjwytPWi-rQAhUDRiYKHQmUDqsQ1ScIWzAK&url=h
ttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle% 2Fominous-story-
of-syria-climate-refugees%2F&usg=AFQjCNEwrulC98nWrPXwtxoojVm4G4pJQ
w The Ominous Story of Syria's Climate Refugees

Syria's water crisis is largely of its own making. Back in the
1970s, the military regime led by President Hafez al-Assad
launched an ill-conceived drive for agricultural
self-sufficiency. No one seemed to consider whether Syria had
sufficient groundwater and rainfall to raise those crops. Farmers
made up for water shortages by drilling wells to tap the
country's underground water reserves. When water tables
retreated, people dug deeper. In 2005 the regime of Assad's son
and successor, President Bashar al-Assad, made it illegal to dig
new wells without a license issued personally, for a fee, by an
official€”but it was mostly ignored, out of necessity.

WHACKO LEFT REPORTING
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/.../10/drought-he
lped-caused-syrias-war-will-climate-change-bring-more-like-it/
Drought helped cause Syrias war. Will climate change bring more
like it?


**If you're trying to say that news reports are not necessarily
very scientifically rigorous, then I agree. If you want to know
about a subject, refer to the best source possible. That is rarely
a news media piece. If you want to educate yourself about AGW,
this is where you need to go:

www.ipcc.ch


"Dot-ch" ???

Sorry, but any science about GW has long since
been replaced by the POLITICS of GW ... various
entities with competing agendas.

Facts CAN be found ... but only buried in professional
scientific journals that Joe Average won't/can't read.
Even worse, YOU have to figure out what it means.


**I've been reading those professional scientific journals since the
mid-1970s. ALL their data is now available at:

www.ipcc.ch


Um ... ALL ... or "selected" ?

It's important.


**_ALL_ the available scientific reports. That includes the ones that
claimed we were heading for an ice age.


Amazing how they went from theory to another with no change in facts.

No, no, no. That's not what happened. The "coming ice age" that climate deniers toss around as if they know what they're talking about was to come AFTER a big melt of the Arctic ice cap and a flooding of coastal cities.

It was a hypothesis proposed by Maurice Ewing and William Donn in 1956, and then turned into popular, sensationalist disaster books about ten years later. The hypothesis never had widespread acceptance but the data provided fodder for the early modern work on climate change.

Here's the popular article (from Harper's) that got the snowball rolling among the public:

http://harpers.org/archive/1958/09/the-coming-ice-age/

Like, sheesh, RD. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


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On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:05:47 AM UTC-5, RD Sandman wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote in
:

On 13/12/2016 12:54 AM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:13:22 +1100, Trevor Wilson
wrote:

On 11/12/2016 5:57 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 09:36:09 +1100, Trevor Wilson
wrote:

On 11/12/2016 4:39 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 06:31:38 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On the other side we have
SCIENCE. EVERY single climatologist on the planet agrees ...

Oh you want science, do you? I found two interesting versions
of
the same story today.
==WS


SCIENCE
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...rce=web&cd=11&
cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjwytPWi-rQAhUDRiYKHQmUDqsQ1ScIWzAK&url=h
ttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle% 2Fominous-story-
of-syria-climate-refugees%2F&usg=AFQjCNEwrulC98nWrPXwtxoojVm4G4pJQ
w The Ominous Story of Syria's Climate Refugees

Syria's water crisis is largely of its own making. Back in
the
1970s, the military regime led by President Hafez al-Assad
launched an ill-conceived drive for agricultural
self-sufficiency. No one seemed to consider whether Syria had
sufficient groundwater and rainfall to raise those crops.
Farmers
made up for water shortages by drilling wells to tap the
country's underground water reserves. When water tables
retreated, people dug deeper. In 2005 the regime of Assad's
son
and successor, President Bashar al-Assad, made it illegal to
dig
new wells without a license issued personally, for a fee, by
an
official-but it was mostly ignored, out of necessity.

WHACKO LEFT REPORTING
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/.../10/drought-he
lped-caused-syrias-war-will-climate-change-bring-more-like-it/
Drought helped cause Syria's war. Will climate change bring
more
like it?


**If you're trying to say that news reports are not
necessarily
very scientifically rigorous, then I agree. If you want to
know
about a subject, refer to the best source possible. That is
rarely
a news media piece. If you want to educate yourself about AGW,
this is where you need to go:

www.ipcc.ch


"Dot-ch" ???

Sorry, but any science about GW has long since
been replaced by the POLITICS of GW ... various
entities with competing agendas.

Facts CAN be found ... but only buried in professional
scientific journals that Joe Average won't/can't read.
Even worse, YOU have to figure out what it means.


**I've been reading those professional scientific journals since
the
mid-1970s. ALL their data is now available at:

www.ipcc.ch


Um ... ALL ... or "selected" ?

It's important.


**_ALL_ the available scientific reports. That includes the ones
that
claimed we were heading for an ice age.


Amazing how they went from theory to another with no change in
facts.

No, no, no. That's not what happened. The "coming ice age" that
climate deniers toss around as if they know what they're talking about
was to come AFTER a big melt of the Arctic ice cap and a flooding of
coastal cities.

It was a hypothesis proposed by Maurice Ewing and William Donn in
1956, and then turned into popular, sensationalist disaster books
about ten years later. The hypothesis never had widespread acceptance
but the data provided fodder for the early modern work on climate
change.

Here's the popular article (from Harper's) that got the snowball
rolling among the public:

http://harpers.org/archive/1958/09/the-coming-ice-age/

Like, sheesh, RD. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:56:07 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
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On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 11:05:47 AM UTC-5, RD Sandman wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote in
:

On 13/12/2016 12:54 AM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 18:13:22 +1100, Trevor Wilson
wrote:

On 11/12/2016 5:57 PM, Mr. B1ack wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 09:36:09 +1100, Trevor Wilson
wrote:

On 11/12/2016 4:39 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 06:31:38 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

On the other side we have
SCIENCE. EVERY single climatologist on the planet agrees ...

Oh you want science, do you? I found two interesting versions
of
the same story today.
==WS


SCIENCE
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...rce=web&cd=11&
cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjwytPWi-rQAhUDRiYKHQmUDqsQ1ScIWzAK&url=h
ttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle% 2Fominous-story-
of-syria-climate-refugees%2F&usg=AFQjCNEwrulC98nWrPXwtxoojVm4G4pJQ
w The Ominous Story of Syria's Climate Refugees

Syria's water crisis is largely of its own making. Back in
the
1970s, the military regime led by President Hafez al-Assad
launched an ill-conceived drive for agricultural
self-sufficiency. No one seemed to consider whether Syria had
sufficient groundwater and rainfall to raise those crops.
Farmers
made up for water shortages by drilling wells to tap the
country's underground water reserves. When water tables
retreated, people dug deeper. In 2005 the regime of Assad's
son
and successor, President Bashar al-Assad, made it illegal to
dig
new wells without a license issued personally, for a fee, by
an
official-but it was mostly ignored, out of necessity.

WHACKO LEFT REPORTING
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/.../10/drought-he
lped-caused-syrias-war-will-climate-change-bring-more-like-it/
Drought helped cause Syria's war. Will climate change bring
more
like it?


**If you're trying to say that news reports are not
necessarily
very scientifically rigorous, then I agree. If you want to
know
about a subject, refer to the best source possible. That is
rarely
a news media piece. If you want to educate yourself about AGW,
this is where you need to go:

www.ipcc.ch


"Dot-ch" ???

Sorry, but any science about GW has long since
been replaced by the POLITICS of GW ... various
entities with competing agendas.

Facts CAN be found ... but only buried in professional
scientific journals that Joe Average won't/can't read.
Even worse, YOU have to figure out what it means.


**I've been reading those professional scientific journals since
the
mid-1970s. ALL their data is now available at:

www.ipcc.ch


Um ... ALL ... or "selected" ?

It's important.


**_ALL_ the available scientific reports. That includes the ones
that
claimed we were heading for an ice age.


Amazing how they went from theory to another with no change in
facts.

No, no, no. That's not what happened. The "coming ice age" that
climate deniers toss around as if they know what they're talking about
was to come AFTER a big melt of the Arctic ice cap and a flooding of
coastal cities.

It was a hypothesis proposed by Maurice Ewing and William Donn in
1956, and then turned into popular, sensationalist disaster books
about ten years later. The hypothesis never had widespread acceptance
but the data provided fodder for the early modern work on climate
change.

Here's the popular article (from Harper's) that got the snowball
rolling among the public:

http://harpers.org/archive/1958/09/the-coming-ice-age/

Like, sheesh, RD. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

....And there's one of the sensationalist stories. Note that there are no quantifiers there of how many or which "kind" of climatologists said anything.. But the quote from NAS makes clear that the journalists were reaching for stories where the scientists, at that time, had only questions:

€œOur knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data,€� concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. €œNot only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.€�

--
Ed Huntress