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Ignoramus2148 wrote:
A little followup. I got the job done and the safes are in my place. The safe that is locked open is great and beautiful and changing the combo should not be a problem. I just do not know how to do it, but plenty of materials are available to learn. I started opening one of the locked closed safes. I started with an old black Diebold. Someone already tried to open it, but that person did not understand how safes work. Well, I have no idea how much such a safe would be worth. But, it seems that opening a safe by just trying all combinations would not take terribly long, if it is just a 3-number combination. (5 number safes would take maybe 2500 times longer.) Some comments on this are in Richard Feynman's book, which is a great read if you haven't read them. Jon |
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On 2016-10-01, Jon Elson wrote:
Ignoramus2148 wrote: A little followup. I got the job done and the safes are in my place. The safe that is locked open is great and beautiful and changing the combo should not be a problem. I just do not know how to do it, but plenty of materials are available to learn. I started opening one of the locked closed safes. I started with an old black Diebold. Someone already tried to open it, but that person did not understand how safes work. Well, I have no idea how much such a safe would be worth. But, it seems that opening a safe by just trying all combinations would not take terribly long, if it is just a 3-number combination. (5 number safes would take maybe 2500 times longer.) Some comments on this are in Richard Feynman's book, which is a great read if you haven't read them. Both locked closed safes are, in my opinion, worth nothing. One is already ruined as the hinges are cut off. Another is not lookin super great and not worth a few hours of picking. Since we do not know how to do it, it will take a long time. Plus I want to practice safecracking, if feels vaguely exciting, like riding a rollercoaster. I know that it is not illegal to break into those safes, but it feels a bit like an adventure. i |
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On Oct 2, 2016, Ignoramus4179 wrote
(in ): On 2016-10-01, Jon wrote: Ignoramus2148 wrote: A little followup. I got the job done and the safes are in my place. The safe that is locked open is great and beautiful and changing the combo should not be a problem. I just do not know how to do it, but plenty of materials are available to learn. I started opening one of the locked closed safes. I started with an old black Diebold. Someone already tried to open it, but that person did not understand how safes work. Well, I have no idea how much such a safe would be worth. But, it seems that opening a safe by just trying all combinations would not take terribly long, if it is just a 3-number combination. (5 number safes would take maybe 2500 times longer.) Some comments on this are in Richard Feynman's book, which is a great read if you haven't read them. Both locked closed safes are, in my opinion, worth nothing. One is already ruined as the hinges are cut off. Another is not lookin super great and not worth a few hours of picking. Since we do not know how to do it, it will take a long time. Plus I want to practice safecracking, if feels vaguely exciting, like riding a rollercoaster. I know that it is not illegal to break into those safes, but it feels a bit like an adventure. Isnt it the most fun if you blow the safe with nitro, like in the good old days of safecracking jobs? Or at least a thermal lance? Joe Gwinn |
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Iggy
If I saw a locked safe with the hinges removed I would assume there might be something of value inside. I would know that unlocking it was dangerous because the very heavy unlocked door will fall out of the safe. Take care! |
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On 2016-10-02, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
On Oct 2, 2016, Ignoramus4179 wrote (in ): On 2016-10-01, Jon wrote: Ignoramus2148 wrote: A little followup. I got the job done and the safes are in my place. The safe that is locked open is great and beautiful and changing the combo should not be a problem. I just do not know how to do it, but plenty of materials are available to learn. I started opening one of the locked closed safes. I started with an old black Diebold. Someone already tried to open it, but that person did not understand how safes work. Well, I have no idea how much such a safe would be worth. But, it seems that opening a safe by just trying all combinations would not take terribly long, if it is just a 3-number combination. (5 number safes would take maybe 2500 times longer.) Some comments on this are in Richard Feynman's book, which is a great read if you haven't read them. Both locked closed safes are, in my opinion, worth nothing. One is already ruined as the hinges are cut off. Another is not lookin super great and not worth a few hours of picking. Since we do not know how to do it, it will take a long time. Plus I want to practice safecracking, if feels vaguely exciting, like riding a rollercoaster. I know that it is not illegal to break into those safes, but it feels a bit like an adventure. Isn???t it the most fun if you blow the safe with nitro, like in the good old days of safecracking jobs? Or at least a thermal lance? Joe Gwinn I am using an angle grinder and hand tools. i |
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On 2016-10-02, wrote:
Iggy If I saw a locked safe with the hinges removed I would assume there might be something of value inside. I would know that unlocking it was dangerous because the very heavy unlocked door will fall out of the safe. Take care! Good point. Look at this pictu https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...81900.jpg.html you will see that hinges are cut off on one side only. It is a bit safer, the door with the lock will not fall. It was a safe in their workshop, not the office, so I am hoping that it may hold some expensive consumables like sewing needles or some such. (it was a clothes sewing company) We all know, of course, that cutting hinges off any half decent fireproof safe will not open the doors. i |
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On 02/10/16 19:28, Ignoramus4179 wrote:
On 2016-10-02, wrote: Iggy If I saw a locked safe with the hinges removed I would assume there might be something of value inside. I would know that unlocking it was dangerous because the very heavy unlocked door will fall out of the safe. Take care! Good point. Look at this pictu https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...81900.jpg.html you will see that hinges are cut off on one side only. It is a bit safer, the door with the lock will not fall. It was a safe in their workshop, not the office, so I am hoping that it may hold some expensive consumables like sewing needles or some such. (it was a clothes sewing company) We all know, of course, that cutting hinges off any half decent fireproof safe will not open the doors. i It's a shame it can't be used. A machinist I used to know kept all his expensive tooling such as gear shaping cutters, hobs, and broaches in a similar fire safe so in the event of a fire they wouldn't be damaged. An old boss of mine kept some company hard drives in a fire safe but he didn't know the difference between a fire safe and a data safe, a fire safe is good for paper material but a data safe has to keep the digital media at a much lower maximum temperature, IIRC below 40C for at least an hour. |
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On 10/02/2016 1:57 PM, David Billington wrote:
.... It's a shame it can't be used. A machinist I used to know kept all his expensive tooling such as gear shaping cutters, hobs, and broaches in a similar fire safe so in the event of a fire they wouldn't be damaged. ... .... They're also very useful in shop for fire safe for combustibles. Got the missing hinges, Iggy? Once in it, I'd surely be tempted to keep it around for such misc. uses. |
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 13:28:17 -0500, Ignoramus4179
wrote: https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...81900.jpg.html Hope they found their keys --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 09:53:29 -0500, Ignoramus4179
wrote: Both locked closed safes are, in my opinion, worth nothing. One is already ruined as the hinges are cut off. Another is not lookin super great and not worth a few hours of picking. Since we do not know how to do it, it will take a long time. picking a good combination safe is for all practical purposes impossible. When I worked for the government I got them to buy me a mail order locksmith course. Excellent course. started a lifelong interest in locksmithing. Quality locks arrange things so the cam doesn't ride on the wheels. IT drops only when you turn the handle. In that case the wheels have false notches to foil picking. The professional method is to drill at a certain point and remove the hinge pin from the follower. A certified 'smith can buy a book containing drill location templates for hundreds of different types of safes. Plus I want to practice safecracking, if feels vaguely exciting, like riding a rollercoaster. I know that it is not illegal to break into those safes, but it feels a bit like an adventure. One thing to be aware of is that a number of people who keep especially valuable things in their safes load it with a pyrotechnic, usually a pound of black powder in a silk bag. This is aimed at giving the brute force crackers a little surprise. John i John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address |
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Dad told of going to the state fair when a young man and one exhibit
had a big safe that was opened in reverse. :-) A soldering fire was started inside and the door was closed. The fire consumed all of the oxygen in the air and the save imploded. Just a thought. I think the save was shambles but good items inside would be ok. Martin On 10/2/2016 6:43 PM, Neon John wrote: On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 09:53:29 -0500, Ignoramus4179 wrote: Both locked closed safes are, in my opinion, worth nothing. One is already ruined as the hinges are cut off. Another is not lookin super great and not worth a few hours of picking. Since we do not know how to do it, it will take a long time. picking a good combination safe is for all practical purposes impossible. When I worked for the government I got them to buy me a mail order locksmith course. Excellent course. started a lifelong interest in locksmithing. Quality locks arrange things so the cam doesn't ride on the wheels. IT drops only when you turn the handle. In that case the wheels have false notches to foil picking. The professional method is to drill at a certain point and remove the hinge pin from the follower. A certified 'smith can buy a book containing drill location templates for hundreds of different types of safes. Plus I want to practice safecracking, if feels vaguely exciting, like riding a rollercoaster. I know that it is not illegal to break into those safes, but it feels a bit like an adventure. One thing to be aware of is that a number of people who keep especially valuable things in their safes load it with a pyrotechnic, usually a pound of black powder in a silk bag. This is aimed at giving the brute force crackers a little surprise. John i John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address |
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They actually forgot all their company keys in a drawer of a
locked-open safe. I found them upon the safe arrival to my place. I emailed them. ;-) i On 2016-10-02, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 13:28:17 -0500, Ignoramus4179 wrote: https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...81900.jpg.html Hope they found their keys --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 22:44:36 -0500, Ignoramus4179
wrote: They actually forgot all their company keys in a drawer of a locked-open safe. I found them upon the safe arrival to my place. I emailed them. ;-) i (Grin) On 2016-10-02, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 13:28:17 -0500, Ignoramus4179 wrote: https://www.machinerymoverschicago.c...81900.jpg.html Hope they found their keys --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 22:44:36 -0500, Ignoramus4179
wrote: They actually forgot all their company keys in a drawer of a locked-open safe. I found them upon the safe arrival to my place. I emailed them. ;-) I hope you included the profile so they can know which new blanks to file down. -- Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people can handle it. -- Hugh Macleod |
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assume a perfect vacuum and air-tight safe. Neither achievable.
Atmospheric pressure of 14.7PSI at sea level would not crush a safe. Simply a side show gimmick, done probably with heavy aluminum or maybe steel foil. John On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 20:56:12 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: Dad told of going to the state fair when a young man and one exhibit had a big safe that was opened in reverse. :-) A soldering fire was started inside and the door was closed. The fire consumed all of the oxygen in the air and the save imploded. Just a thought. I think the save was shambles but good items inside would be ok. Martin On 10/2/2016 6:43 PM, Neon John wrote: On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 09:53:29 -0500, Ignoramus4179 wrote: Both locked closed safes are, in my opinion, worth nothing. One is already ruined as the hinges are cut off. Another is not lookin super great and not worth a few hours of picking. Since we do not know how to do it, it will take a long time. picking a good combination safe is for all practical purposes impossible. When I worked for the government I got them to buy me a mail order locksmith course. Excellent course. started a lifelong interest in locksmithing. Quality locks arrange things so the cam doesn't ride on the wheels. IT drops only when you turn the handle. In that case the wheels have false notches to foil picking. The professional method is to drill at a certain point and remove the hinge pin from the follower. A certified 'smith can buy a book containing drill location templates for hundreds of different types of safes. Plus I want to practice safecracking, if feels vaguely exciting, like riding a rollercoaster. I know that it is not illegal to break into those safes, but it feels a bit like an adventure. One thing to be aware of is that a number of people who keep especially valuable things in their safes load it with a pyrotechnic, usually a pound of black powder in a silk bag. This is aimed at giving the brute force crackers a little surprise. John i John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address John DeArmond http://www.neon-john.com http://www.tnduction.com Tellico Plains, Occupied TN See website for email address |
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On Oct 2, 2016, Ignoramus4179 wrote
(in ): On 2016-10-02, Joseph wrote: On Oct 2, 2016, Ignoramus4179 wrote (in ): On 2016-10-01, Jon wrote: Ignoramus2148 wrote: A little followup. I got the job done and the safes are in my place. The safe that is locked open is great and beautiful and changing the combo should not be a problem. I just do not know how to do it, but plenty of materials are available to learn. I started opening one of the locked closed safes. I started with an old black Diebold. Someone already tried to open it, but that person did not understand how safes work. Well, I have no idea how much such a safe would be worth. But, it seems that opening a safe by just trying all combinations would not take terribly long, if it is just a 3-number combination. (5 number safes would take maybe 2500 times longer.) Some comments on this are in Richard Feynman's book, which is a great read if you haven't read them. Both locked closed safes are, in my opinion, worth nothing. One is already ruined as the hinges are cut off. Another is not lookin super great and not worth a few hours of picking. Since we do not know how to do it, it will take a long time. Plus I want to practice safecracking, if feels vaguely exciting, like riding a rollercoaster. I know that it is not illegal to break into those safes, but it feels a bit like an adventure. Isnt it the most fun if you blow the safe with nitro, like in the good old days of safecracking jobs? Or at least a thermal lance? Joe Gwinn I am using an angle grinder and hand tools. Killjoy. We wanted a video, from a safe distance. Joe Gwinn |
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2016 11:03:02 -0400, Joseph Gwinn
wrote: On Oct 2, 2016, Ignoramus4179 wrote (in ): On 2016-10-02, Joseph wrote: On Oct 2, 2016, Ignoramus4179 wrote (in ): On 2016-10-01, Jon wrote: Ignoramus2148 wrote: A little followup. I got the job done and the safes are in my place. The safe that is locked open is great and beautiful and changing the combo should not be a problem. I just do not know how to do it, but plenty of materials are available to learn. I started opening one of the locked closed safes. I started with an old black Diebold. Someone already tried to open it, but that person did not understand how safes work. Well, I have no idea how much such a safe would be worth. But, it seems that opening a safe by just trying all combinations would not take terribly long, if it is just a 3-number combination. (5 number safes would take maybe 2500 times longer.) Some comments on this are in Richard Feynman's book, which is a great read if you haven't read them. Both locked closed safes are, in my opinion, worth nothing. One is already ruined as the hinges are cut off. Another is not lookin super great and not worth a few hours of picking. Since we do not know how to do it, it will take a long time. Plus I want to practice safecracking, if feels vaguely exciting, like riding a rollercoaster. I know that it is not illegal to break into those safes, but it feels a bit like an adventure. Isn’t it the most fun if you blow the safe with nitro, like in the good old days of safecracking jobs? Or at least a thermal lance? Joe Gwinn I am using an angle grinder and hand tools. Killjoy. We wanted a video, from a safe distance. I guess we'll have to place requests to FPSRussia, instead. HE will make a party of it, guaranteed. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fpsrussia YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaw! -- All of us want to do well. But if we do not do good, too, then doing well will never be enough. -- Anna Quindlen |
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