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On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 10:05:59 +0700, John B.
wrote: On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 15:33:27 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:44:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 08:01:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 11:36:27 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote: On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 6:17:33 PM UTC-7, Ignoramus14408 wrote: I could create high precision parts if I wanted to. Fortunately, for me, I do not want to, and instead enjoy weekly auctions of bankrupt "high precision" job shops. i Wrong. iggy could not. iggy is bull****ting himself again. In addition, iggy doesn't make the kind of money that successful high-end SoCal machining job shops make. I disagree. Now I don't know business in the machining field very well, but if you work out of NY or Chicago, you should be able to rival that kind of money (at least if you go all out - that's the whole reason for going into high end areas). I closed down yet another "sucessful high-en SoCal machining job shop" a couple weeks ago, and I picked up another customer yesterday..another "sucessful high-end SoCal machining job shop" who is about to fail That makes 29 and 30 such "sucessful high-end SoCal machining job shops" in the past 4 yrs Gunner One thing I've learned about machine shops in my 40 years of covering them is there is a tremendous range from nearly bankrupt to wildly successful, and that goes on all the time. California was riding high for many years, due to government aerospace; Michigan and northwest PA (mold shops) ride high when the automobile industry is doing well; and so on. Jobbers are always dependent on the health of the industries they serve. When there's a lot of growth in those industries, everybody does well. Then the customers fall off and the weak ones -- the ones that aren't well managed, or that are undercapitalized (the two tend to go hand-in-hand) go belly-up. That's probably what Gunner is running into. They can do great work but wind up broke. The *range* of success rates, in average times, is huge. And 90% of that is the variation in the quality of management. Some people are excellent craftsmen but are not cut out to run a business. A few can do both, and they're the ones who tend to survive the downturns and make a bundle while others are struggling. But that is pretty much true in any business, isn't it? I think that machine shops are an extreme case. The company I worked for in Indonesia was started by a guy with a Master's Degree in computer Science and another with a Master's in Economics that got a small contract to set up a computer system for the Indonesian Statistics Department and after they got their feet on the ground realized that there was a vast market for technical training in Indonesia and ended up a success. I once asked them how a financial guy and a computer guy could get into all this industrial training and one of them commented that "if you can get the contract and the financing you can always hire a technical guy to do the work" :-) True. -- Ed Huntress |
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