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No evidence Clinton deserted; very solid evidence that Bush did
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 11:37:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Huntress wrote:
Except he didn't desert. He did desert. He didn't show up, ever. Another non veteran who does not know the definition of desertion. Dan |
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No evidence Clinton deserted; very solid evidence that Bush did
On 2/25/2015 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 11:37:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Huntress wrote: Except he didn't desert. He did desert. He didn't show up, ever. Another non veteran who does not know the definition of desertion. How is it you manage to attribute my statement to Diana Huntress, you bonehead? Diana is, in fact, a veteran. This isn't hard to determine, idiot, and one need not be a veteran to understand it. In military terminology, desertion is the abandonment of a duty or post without permission (a pass, liberty or leave) and is done with the intention of not returning. In contrast, Unauthorized Absence (UA) or Absence Without Leave (US: AWOL; Commonwealth: AWL) refers to a temporary absence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertion The offense of desertion, under Article 85 carries a much greater punishment than the offense of AWOL, under Article 86. Many people believe that if one is absent without authority for 30 days or more, the offense changes from AWOL to desertion, but that's not quite true. The primary difference between the two offenses is "intent to remain away permanently," or if the purpose of the absence is to shirk "important duty," (such as a combat deployment). If one intends to return to "military control" someday, one is guilty of AWOL, not desertion, even if they were away for 50 years. Conversely, if a person was absent for just one minute, and then captured, he could be convicted of desertion, if the prosecution could prove that the member intended to remain away from the military permanently. http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justi...ldesertion.htm Bush left and never returned, and he never intended to return. He was not AWOL - he deserted. Why are you ****ing and moaning about a political issue, when you routinely whine about others posting non-metalworking content? ****ing hypocrite. -- I ceased in the year 1764 to believe that one can convince one’s opponents with arguments printed in books. It is not to do that, therefore, that I have taken up my pen, but merely so as to annoy them, and to bestow strength and courage on those on our own side, and to make it known to the others that they have not convinced us. Georg Christoph Lichtenberg 1742 - 1799 |
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No evidence Clinton deserted; very solid evidence that Bush did
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:36:01 -0800, Rudy Canoza
wrote: On 2/25/2015 11:24 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 11:37:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Huntress wrote: Except he didn't desert. He did desert. He didn't show up, ever. Another non veteran who does not know the definition of desertion. How is it you manage to attribute my statement to Diana Huntress, you bonehead? Diana is, in fact, a veteran. Uh, no, I'm not. Within one month of besing re-classified from 1-S to 1-A, I was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. No Type 1 has ever been drafted or allowed to enlist -- we're very high-maintenance humans, prone to eat up medical resources and to drop dead rather quickly. Not that I was enthusiastic, but I would have served if I'd been drafted. But Caster isn't doing so well here. He doesn't seem to know the legal definitions. -- Ed Huntress This isn't hard to determine, idiot, and one need not be a veteran to understand it. In military terminology, desertion is the abandonment of a duty or post without permission (a pass, liberty or leave) and is done with the intention of not returning. In contrast, Unauthorized Absence (UA) or Absence Without Leave (US: AWOL; Commonwealth: AWL) refers to a temporary absence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertion The offense of desertion, under Article 85 carries a much greater punishment than the offense of AWOL, under Article 86. Many people believe that if one is absent without authority for 30 days or more, the offense changes from AWOL to desertion, but that's not quite true. The primary difference between the two offenses is "intent to remain away permanently," or if the purpose of the absence is to shirk "important duty," (such as a combat deployment). If one intends to return to "military control" someday, one is guilty of AWOL, not desertion, even if they were away for 50 years. Conversely, if a person was absent for just one minute, and then captured, he could be convicted of desertion, if the prosecution could prove that the member intended to remain away from the military permanently. http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justi...ldesertion.htm Bush left and never returned, and he never intended to return. He was not AWOL - he deserted. Why are you ****ing and moaning about a political issue, when you routinely whine about others posting non-metalworking content? ****ing hypocrite. |
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No evidence Clinton deserted; very solid evidence that Bush did
On 2/25/2015 12:18 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:36:01 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote: On 2/25/2015 11:24 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 11:37:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Huntress wrote: Except he didn't desert. He did desert. He didn't show up, ever. Another non veteran who does not know the definition of desertion. How is it you manage to attribute my statement to Diana Huntress, you bonehead? Diana is, in fact, a veteran. Uh, no, I'm not. Within one month of besing re-classified from 1-S to 1-A, I was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. No Type 1 has ever been drafted or allowed to enlist -- we're very high-maintenance humans, prone to eat up medical resources and to drop dead rather quickly. My mistake. I thought I saw something from you in which you claimed to be a veteran. -- I ceased in the year 1764 to believe that one can convince one’s opponents with arguments printed in books. It is not to do that, therefore, that I have taken up my pen, but merely so as to annoy them, and to bestow strength and courage on those on our own side, and to make it known to the others that they have not convinced us. Georg Christoph Lichtenberg 1742 - 1799 |
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No evidence Clinton deserted; very solid evidence that Bush did
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:30:17 -0800, Rudy Canoza
wrote: On 2/25/2015 12:18 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:36:01 -0800, Rudy Canoza wrote: On 2/25/2015 11:24 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 11:37:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Huntress wrote: Except he didn't desert. He did desert. He didn't show up, ever. Another non veteran who does not know the definition of desertion. How is it you manage to attribute my statement to Diana Huntress, you bonehead? Diana is, in fact, a veteran. Uh, no, I'm not. Within one month of besing re-classified from 1-S to 1-A, I was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. No Type 1 has ever been drafted or allowed to enlist -- we're very high-maintenance humans, prone to eat up medical resources and to drop dead rather quickly. My mistake. I thought I saw something from you in which you claimed to be a veteran. Someone was speculating about whether I was, and told him not to speculate, but to ask. He never did. From time to time I mention my dad's service and experience in the South Pacific during WWII. Maybe one of those two is where you got the impression. -- Ed Huntress |
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No evidence Clinton deserted; very solid evidence that Bush did
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:24:44 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 11:37:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Huntress wrote: Except he didn't desert. He did desert. He didn't show up, ever. Another non veteran who does not know the definition of desertion. You've got the wrong guy. I didn't write that. -- Ed Huntress Dan |
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No evidence Clinton deserted; very solid evidence that Bush did
" on Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:24:44 -0800
(PST) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 11:37:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Huntress wrote: Except he didn't desert. He did desert. He didn't show up, ever. Another non veteran who does not know the definition of desertion. Fnord - I've heard the stories. Of the guy arrested for desertion, even though he never got off post. Why? Because he stripped off his uniform, declared he was deserting, and headed for the gate. OTOH, there was the guy who would go AWOL, get caught a couple months later, but because he still had his uniform and ID card, could (and did) argue that he had intended to return. And my Dad knew of the situation where the guy had a fatal car accident while on a three day pass. About two and a half days drive from base. You reckon he was going to be back in time? "Technically", innocent until proven guilty, and all that - well, yes, he hadn't yet "gone over the hill." -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone." |
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No evidence Clinton deserted; very solid evidence that Bush did
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:12:26 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote: " on Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:24:44 -0800 (PST) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 11:37:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Huntress wrote: Except he didn't desert. He did desert. He didn't show up, ever. Another non veteran who does not know the definition of desertion. Fnord - I've heard the stories. Of the guy arrested for desertion, even though he never got off post. Why? Because he stripped off his uniform, declared he was deserting, and headed for the gate. OTOH, there was the guy who would go AWOL, get caught a couple months later, but because he still had his uniform and ID card, could (and did) argue that he had intended to return. I seem to remember that there was some book keeping involved, at least in the Air force. When someone left, without leave, they were classified as AWOL for some period and after a specified number of days/months they were automatically re-classified as "Deserted". And my Dad knew of the situation where the guy had a fatal car accident while on a three day pass. About two and a half days drive from base. You reckon he was going to be back in time? "Technically", innocent until proven guilty, and all that - well, yes, he hadn't yet "gone over the hill." -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone." -- Cheers, John B. |
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No evidence Clinton deserted; very solid evidence that Bush did
John B. Slocomb on Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:36:44
+0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:12:26 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: " on Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:24:44 -0800 (PST) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 11:37:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Huntress wrote: Except he didn't desert. He did desert. He didn't show up, ever. Another non veteran who does not know the definition of desertion. Fnord - I've heard the stories. Of the guy arrested for desertion, even though he never got off post. Why? Because he stripped off his uniform, declared he was deserting, and headed for the gate. OTOH, there was the guy who would go AWOL, get caught a couple months later, but because he still had his uniform and ID card, could (and did) argue that he had intended to return. I seem to remember that there was some book keeping involved, at least in the Air force. When someone left, without leave, they were classified as AWOL for some period and after a specified number of days/months they were automatically re-classified as "Deserted". After 30 days of being listed as Absent WithOut Leave, one is officially eligible for Deserter status. There was a case reported in the Stars & Stripes, under Carter's Amnesty, where the guy needed to find out his status. Seems that his paperwork had gotten lost right after basic, and he was put in a holding assignment till they got it straightened out. After two years, on the anniversary of his reporting in for basic training, he walked out, and when home. When he later contacted the Army, they wanted to gig him for desertion, but nobody had reported him AWOL, so ... The Service, can be, at times, a bit "weird". Like the story I heard of the guy who wanted out. Badly. As I heard the story, he sat down and lit up a joint in front of the Chief in the Engine room. Chief asked him what he was doing. "Smoking a joint, Chief" was the reply. "Well, Pass it over," says the Chief. Now what are you going to do? Chief says 'Don't bogart the joint' you don't bogart the joint. So when the XO (#2 Officer on board ship) came in the space, she said "I'm going back up an pretend I didn't see that." But our hero really wants out of the Navy. "No sir, you caught me, smoking Maryjuwana in the engine compartment." So he is busted, and they search his rack. He keeps telling them that his stash is in the air vent. They finally look there, and low, there is a baggie full of "a vegetable material presumed to be marijuana." Yeah, right. Court martial, and his advocate argues that because the Air Vent was not his personal space, it could be that someone else had placed that baggie there. (Yeah, right.). Bust in rate, six months loss of pay, and transferred to the laundry. After a few weeks of this, he starches the officers's underwear, and decamps. A year and a half later, he has had enough of being a deserter, so he turns himself in. the Navy figures, what the hell, lets him finish out the last few months of his enlistment "we'll call it even." Fine by him. But, in the last year and a half, he's done some growing up, some maturing. You know, the Navy isn't such a bad gig, really. He decides to reup. Usually a good thing, but ... there was that court marital for that drug usage (not to mention the starch incident) - so, no dice. That this was also in the midst of the post SE Asia War Games RIF, probably had something to do with it as well. GI Brats, we sometimes hear some of the wildest stories. Some of which may even be true, B-) tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich "With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone." |
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