http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=272705

Shows a line of UP locomotives sitting idle in a lineup in the Inland
Empire of California; more than 125 at last count (more than a mile and
a half of locos).

We're screwed.


--
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upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:47:55 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=272705

Shows a line of UP locomotives sitting idle in a lineup in the Inland
Empire of California; more than 125 at last count (more than a mile and
a half of locos).

We're screwed.

Plenty of box cars are staged in the desert, around here. They await
transfers for the correct UP train. Locomotives may just be at the
service yard.

On 2/27/2009 1:20 PM Oren spake thus:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:47:55 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=272705

Shows a line of UP locomotives sitting idle in a lineup in the Inland
Empire of California; more than 125 at last count (more than a mile and
a half of locos).

We're screwed.

Plenty of box cars are staged in the desert, around here. They await
transfers for the correct UP train. Locomotives may just be at the
service yard.

Nope, these are in what apparently is called a "LUGO" (laid-up good
order) line, meaning there's nothing wrong with the power except for not
enough goods to haul. Definitely an economic thing.

You *never* see this much "head-end power" parked at one time.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:35:53 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

On 2/27/2009 1:20 PM Oren spake thus:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:47:55 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=272705

Shows a line of UP locomotives sitting idle in a lineup in the Inland
Empire of California; more than 125 at last count (more than a mile and
a half of locos).

We're screwed.

Plenty of box cars are staged in the desert, around here. They await
transfers for the correct UP train. Locomotives may just be at the
service yard.

Nope, these are in what apparently is called a "LUGO" (laid-up good
order) line, meaning there's nothing wrong with the power except for not
enough goods to haul. Definitely an economic thing.

You *never* see this much "head-end power" parked at one time.

Could be a result of already implemented policy.

Port of LA will prevent trucks from entry (soon). It's about the age
of the truck (Spanish speakers may be out of a job). Many old trucks
haul containers, pollution became a concern. They have a new policy in
the LA port.

I can say, close the port of LA and your stuff; just became, more
costly. It could take a year/dayS to get products into the mid-west.

Ya gotta get it on a train.

On Feb 27, 7:57�pm, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:35:53 -0800, David Nebenzahl





wrote:
On 2/27/2009 1:20 PM Oren spake thus:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:47:55 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=272705

Shows a line of UP locomotives sitting idle in a lineup in the Inland
Empire of California; more than 125 at last count (more than a mile and
a half of locos).

We're screwed.

Plenty of box cars are staged in the desert, around here. They await
transfers for the correct UP train. Locomotives may just be at the
service yard.

Nope, these are in what apparently is called a "LUGO" (laid-up good
order) line, meaning there's nothing wrong with the power except for not
enough goods to haul. Definitely an economic thing.

You *never* see this much "head-end power" parked at one time.

Could be a result of already implemented policy.

Port of LA will prevent trucks from entry (soon). It's about the age
of the truck (Spanish speakers may be out of a job). Many old trucks
haul containers, pollution became a concern. They have a new policy in
the LA port.

I can say, close the port of LA and your stuff; just became, more
costly. It could take a year/dayS �to get products into the mid-west.

Ya gotta get it on a train.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

anyone see the deconstruction show where they scrap out a engine?
interesting but kinda sad.

or extreme trains on national geographic channel? host takes trains
all over country

On 2/27/2009 4:57 PM Oren spake thus:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:35:53 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

On 2/27/2009 1:20 PM Oren spake thus:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:47:55 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=272705

Shows a line of UP locomotives sitting idle in a lineup in the Inland
Empire of California; more than 125 at last count (more than a mile and
a half of locos).

We're screwed.

Plenty of box cars are staged in the desert, around here. They await
transfers for the correct UP train. Locomotives may just be at the
service yard.

Nope, these are in what apparently is called a "LUGO" (laid-up good
order) line, meaning there's nothing wrong with the power except for not
enough goods to haul. Definitely an economic thing.

You *never* see this much "head-end power" parked at one time.

Could be a result of already implemented policy.

Port of LA will prevent trucks from entry (soon). It's about the age
of the truck (Spanish speakers may be out of a job). Many old trucks
haul containers, pollution became a concern. They have a new policy in
the LA port.

I can say, close the port of LA and your stuff; just became, more
costly. It could take a year/dayS to get products into the mid-west.

Well, keep in mind that ports like L.A. (and Oakland up here) are
completely intermodal, which means that even if all trucks were banned
(which I assure you will *not* happen, even though I know Oakland is
considering much more stringent regulation of diesel pollution, as L.A.
probably is), all the stuff coming in from China, India, Vietnam, the
Phillipines, etc., could just as easily be loaded onto railcars.

But regarding that photo: those locomotives are *definitely* idled
because of the economy. Costs money to pay crews to move them, dontcha know.


--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair

On Feb 27, 8:05�pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 2/27/2009 4:57 PM Oren spake thus:





On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:35:53 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

On 2/27/2009 1:20 PM Oren spake thus:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:47:55 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=272705

Shows a line of UP locomotives sitting idle in a lineup in the Inland
Empire of California; more than 125 at last count (more than a mile and
a half of locos).

We're screwed.

Plenty of box cars are staged in the desert, around here. They await
transfers for the correct UP train. Locomotives may just be at the
service yard.

Nope, these are in what apparently is called a "LUGO" (laid-up good
order) line, meaning there's nothing wrong with the power except for not
enough goods to haul. Definitely an economic thing.

You *never* see this much "head-end power" parked at one time.

Could be a result of already implemented policy.

Port of LA will prevent trucks from entry (soon). It's about the age
of the truck (Spanish speakers may be out of a job). Many old trucks
haul containers, pollution became a concern. They have a new policy in
the LA port.

I can say, close the port of LA and your stuff; just became, more
costly. It could take a year/dayS �to get products into the mid-west.

Well, keep in mind that ports like L.A. (and Oakland up here) are
completely intermodal, which means that even if all trucks were banned
(which I assure you will *not* happen, even though I know Oakland is
considering much more stringent regulation of diesel pollution, as L.A.
probably is), all the stuff coming in from China, India, Vietnam, the
Phillipines, etc., could just as easily be loaded onto railcars.

But regarding that photo: those locomotives are *definitely* idled
because of the economy. Costs money to pay crews to move them, dontcha know.

--
Personally, I like Vista, but I probably won't use it. I like it
because it generates considerable business for me in consulting and
upgrades. As long as there is hardware and software out there that
doesn't work, I stay in business. Incidentally, my company motto is
"If this stuff worked, you wouldn't need me".

- lifted from sci.electronics.repair- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

i heard the desert around tucson has more airliners than ever before
parked, unused.......

california unemployment rate is over 10% things are bad worldwide

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:05:21 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

Well, keep in mind that ports like L.A. (and Oakland up here) are
completely intermodal, which means that even if all trucks were banned
(which I assure you will *not* happen, even though I know Oakland is
considering much more stringent regulation of diesel pollution, as L.A.
probably is), all the stuff coming in from China, India, Vietnam, the
Phillipines, etc., could just as easily be loaded onto railcars.

But regarding that photo: those locomotives are *definitely* idled
because of the economy. Costs money to pay crews to move them, dontcha know.

Idle trains...

LA port only has a few tracks. Most cargo is hauled from the port by
trucks. Some material does move by train.

Rocket engines are shipped by train; with, an approved locomotive.