I am a consultant looking to identify asbestos (or not) in the safe
walls...can't resell the items (there are four) without knowledge of the
potential for asbestos inside.

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On 8/1/2013 9:18 AM, Environova wrote:
I am a consultant looking to identify asbestos (or not) in the safe
walls...can't resell the items (there are four) without knowledge of the
potential for asbestos inside.

So, say there is asbestos. What happens if you are wrong and there is
not asbestos?

Paul

Environova wrote:

I am a consultant looking to identify asbestos (or not) in the safe
walls...can't resell the items (there are four) without knowledge of the
potential for asbestos inside.

Why don't you ask Diebold?

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replying to Paul Drahn , Environova wrote:
pdrahn wrote:

So, say there is asbestos. What happens if you are wrong and there is
not asbestos?
Paul


Nothing happens other than excessive disposal cost - unless the unit is
resold for use, then there is no problem whatsoever. If, however, it goes
the other way(saying there's none and there really is some), then there
could be significant fines and jail time if someone opens the walls and
gets exposed.

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replying to Michael A. Terrell , Environova wrote:
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Why don't you ask Diebold?
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Diebold has moved and there number just rings...not even voicemail.

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On 2013-08-01, Environova wrote:
replying to Paul Drahn , Environova wrote:
pdrahn wrote:

So, say there is asbestos. What happens if you are wrong and there is
not asbestos?
Paul


Nothing happens other than excessive disposal cost - unless the unit is
resold for use, then there is no problem whatsoever. If, however, it goes
the other way(saying there's none and there really is some), then there
could be significant fines and jail time if someone opens the walls and
gets exposed.


Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I
mean to offer for sale.

I believe that they all use drywall type material instead of
asbestos. Drywall gypsum has better heat resistance, because it can
absorb a lot of heat while thermally disintegrating. It does not
really need asbestos.

i

Ignoramus4354 fired this volley in
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I believe that they all use drywall type material instead of
asbestos. Drywall gypsum has better heat resistance, because it can
absorb a lot of heat while thermally disintegrating. It does not
really need asbestos.


Ig,
It's true that asbestos is not required for the insulative qualities.
However, in a lot of older gypsum-lined apparatus that would be exposed
to heat, they used chopped asbestos fiber to reinforce the poured gypsum,
so that it would not crack during curing, oven drying, and handling.

Cracks would condemn the safe in a fire; very quickly, actually.

Lloyd

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replying to Michael A. Terrell , Environova wrote:
mike.terrell wrote:

Why don't you ask Diebold? -- Anyone wanting to run for any political
office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.


Diebold has moved and there number just rings...not even voicemail.


Umm... Diebold is a huge, publically-traded multinational company. Have you
called the main number on the website:
http://www.diebold.com/our-company/P...s/default.aspx

Ignoramus4354 wrote:


Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I
mean to offer for sale.
I'd call Diebold. As far as I know, they are still in the
ATM business, at least. I suspect they HAVE to answer such
questions by law. "Data safe" sounds like it is for protecting
computer media, and therefor is probably fairly recent, so it has
a good chance to be asbestos-free.

Jon

On 2013-08-01, Jon Elson wrote:
Ignoramus4354 wrote:


Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I
mean to offer for sale.
I'd call Diebold. As far as I know, they are still in the
ATM business, at least. I suspect they HAVE to answer such
questions by law. "Data safe" sounds like it is for protecting
computer media, and therefor is probably fairly recent, so it has
a good chance to be asbestos-free.

Data safes are awesome. They are much better protected against fire,
than regular safes. Mine is rated for reaching only 150 degrees inside
after being in fire for 2 hours.

i

replying to anorton , Environova wrote:
anorton wrote:

"Environova" wrote in
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Umm... Diebold is a huge, publically-traded multinational company. Have
you
called the main number on the website:

http://www.diebold.com/our-company/P...s/default.aspx


Thank you for the contact us page on their website - I am currently
awaiting a response from Diebold directly via the internet, since their
main number was not answered when I called several times.

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replying to anorton , Environova wrote:

anorton wrote:



"Environova" wrote in

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Umm... Diebold is a huge, publically-traded multinational company. Have

you

called the main number on the website:



http://www.diebold.com/our-company/P...s/default.aspx





Thank you for the contact us page on their website - I am currently

awaiting a response from Diebold directly via the internet, since their

main number was not answered when I called several times.



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Here's a general tip for what to do when a large company doesn't respond to a "normal" contact: Search on their web site for the corporate governance office or the investor relations office. In my experience, these phones ALWAYS get answered, and usually by someone who is more than happy to connect you to the right department.

In this case:
INVESTOR CONTACTS
Primary IR Contact
Investor Relations Department 9-B-16
Diebold
5995 Mayfair Road
North Canton, OH 44720
Phone: 1-800-766-5859
Outside the U.S.:330-490-3790

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:18:02 PM UTC-4, Environova wrote:
I am a consultant looking to identify asbestos (or not) in the safe

walls...can't resell the items (there are four) without knowledge of the

potential for asbestos inside.



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Not that anyone sees replies from google, but this may be of some use...

https://portal.navfac.navy.mil/porta.../Volume5-1.pdf

replying to Ignoramus4354 , Environova wrote:
ignoramus4354 wrote:

Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I
mean to offer for sale.
I believe that they all use drywall type material instead of
asbestos. Drywall gypsum has better heat resistance, because it can
absorb a lot of heat while thermally disintegrating. It does not
really need asbestos.
i


I finally found a phone number that works. Diebold says (according to
their legal department) they never knowingly used asbestos in their
products, but if your going to scrap the item, proceed as if asbestos is
present.



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replying to rangerssuck , Environova wrote:
rangerssuck wrote:

in

ault.aspx
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Here's a general tip for what to do when a large company doesn't respond
to
a "normal" contact: Search on their web site for the corporate governance

office or the investor relations office. In my experience, these phones
ALW
AYS get answered, and usually by someone who is more than happy to connect

you to the right department.
In this case:
INVESTOR CONTACTS
Primary IR Contact
Investor Relations Department 9-B-16
Diebold
5995 Mayfair Road
North Canton, OH 44720
Phone: 1-800-766-5859
Outside the U.S.:330-490-3790


Thank you for the contact number (I was unable to find it on the
internet), it worked beautifully!!

Diebold says they never knowingly used asbestos in their products, but if
you're going to damage the integrity (like would happen at a scrap yard)
then you should proceed as if asbestos is present.

Thanks again!

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On 2013-08-02, wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:18:02 PM UTC-4, Environova wrote:
I am a consultant looking to identify asbestos (or not) in the safe

walls...can't resell the items (there are four) without knowledge of the

potential for asbestos inside.




Not that anyone sees replies from google, but this may be of some use...

https://portal.navfac.navy.mil/porta.../Volume5-1.pdf


That's a perfect answer! Thanks!

On 2013-08-02, Environova wrote:
replying to Ignoramus4354 , Environova wrote:
ignoramus4354 wrote:

Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I
mean to offer for sale.
I believe that they all use drywall type material instead of
asbestos. Drywall gypsum has better heat resistance, because it can
absorb a lot of heat while thermally disintegrating. It does not
really need asbestos.
i


I finally found a phone number that works. Diebold says (according to
their legal department) they never knowingly used asbestos in their
products, but if your going to scrap the item, proceed as if asbestos is
present.




This, this is very useful.

i

In article s.com,
Environova wrote:

replying to Ignoramus4354 , Environova wrote:
ignoramus4354 wrote:

Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I
mean to offer for sale.
I believe that they all use drywall type material instead of
asbestos. Drywall gypsum has better heat resistance, because it can
absorb a lot of heat while thermally disintegrating. It does not
really need asbestos.
i


I finally found a phone number that works. Diebold says (according to
their legal department) they never knowingly used asbestos in their
products, but if your going to scrap the item, proceed as if asbestos is
present.

That's a non-answer. Actually they do know if asbestos was an
ingredient in the insulating plaster. What they don't know is how much
asbestos came in other ingredients.

When I was selling a house many years back, the buyer's broker wanted
me to certify that the house had no UFFI in the walls. I declined to
sign, because while I had seen no UFFI, I had and did not plan to open
up all the walls and inspect for UFFI. Legally, my answer was
"unknown", and there is no legal duty to investigate. The broker
backed down.

Joe Gwinn

replying to Environova, Culty wrote:
I don't think it's required to open the walls to be exposed. According to
lawyers statements I've read, just operating the safe could lead to exposure
in high doses due to pressure release upon operation.

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