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does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
I am a consultant looking to identify asbestos (or not) in the safe
walls...can't resell the items (there are four) without knowledge of the potential for asbestos inside. -- posted from http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...os-581044-.htm using PolytechForum's Web, RSS and Social Media Interface to rec.crafts.metalworking and other engineering groups |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
On 8/1/2013 9:18 AM, Environova wrote:
I am a consultant looking to identify asbestos (or not) in the safe walls...can't resell the items (there are four) without knowledge of the potential for asbestos inside. So, say there is asbestos. What happens if you are wrong and there is not asbestos? Paul |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
Environova wrote: I am a consultant looking to identify asbestos (or not) in the safe walls...can't resell the items (there are four) without knowledge of the potential for asbestos inside. Why don't you ask Diebold? -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
replying to Paul Drahn , Environova wrote:
pdrahn wrote: So, say there is asbestos. What happens if you are wrong and there is not asbestos? Paul Nothing happens other than excessive disposal cost - unless the unit is resold for use, then there is no problem whatsoever. If, however, it goes the other way(saying there's none and there really is some), then there could be significant fines and jail time if someone opens the walls and gets exposed. -- posted from http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...os-581044-.htm using PolytechForum's Web, RSS and Social Media Interface to rec.crafts.metalworking and other engineering groups |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
replying to Michael A. Terrell , Environova wrote:
mike.terrell wrote: Why don't you ask Diebold? -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. Diebold has moved and there number just rings...not even voicemail. -- posted from http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...os-581044-.htm using PolytechForum's Web, RSS and Social Media Interface to rec.crafts.metalworking and other engineering groups |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
On 2013-08-01, Environova wrote:
replying to Paul Drahn , Environova wrote: pdrahn wrote: So, say there is asbestos. What happens if you are wrong and there is not asbestos? Paul Nothing happens other than excessive disposal cost - unless the unit is resold for use, then there is no problem whatsoever. If, however, it goes the other way(saying there's none and there really is some), then there could be significant fines and jail time if someone opens the walls and gets exposed. Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I mean to offer for sale. I believe that they all use drywall type material instead of asbestos. Drywall gypsum has better heat resistance, because it can absorb a lot of heat while thermally disintegrating. It does not really need asbestos. i |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
Ignoramus4354 fired this volley in
: I believe that they all use drywall type material instead of asbestos. Drywall gypsum has better heat resistance, because it can absorb a lot of heat while thermally disintegrating. It does not really need asbestos. Ig, It's true that asbestos is not required for the insulative qualities. However, in a lot of older gypsum-lined apparatus that would be exposed to heat, they used chopped asbestos fiber to reinforce the poured gypsum, so that it would not crack during curing, oven drying, and handling. Cracks would condemn the safe in a fire; very quickly, actually. Lloyd |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
"Environova" wrote in message oups.com... replying to Michael A. Terrell , Environova wrote: mike.terrell wrote: Why don't you ask Diebold? -- Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to have a DD214, and a honorable discharge. Diebold has moved and there number just rings...not even voicemail. Umm... Diebold is a huge, publically-traded multinational company. Have you called the main number on the website: http://www.diebold.com/our-company/P...s/default.aspx |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
Ignoramus4354 wrote:
Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I mean to offer for sale. I'd call Diebold. As far as I know, they are still in the ATM business, at least. I suspect they HAVE to answer such questions by law. "Data safe" sounds like it is for protecting computer media, and therefor is probably fairly recent, so it has a good chance to be asbestos-free. Jon |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
On 2013-08-01, Jon Elson wrote:
Ignoramus4354 wrote: Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I mean to offer for sale. I'd call Diebold. As far as I know, they are still in the ATM business, at least. I suspect they HAVE to answer such questions by law. "Data safe" sounds like it is for protecting computer media, and therefor is probably fairly recent, so it has a good chance to be asbestos-free. Data safes are awesome. They are much better protected against fire, than regular safes. Mine is rated for reaching only 150 degrees inside after being in fire for 2 hours. i |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
replying to anorton , Environova wrote:
anorton wrote: "Environova" wrote in message oups.com... Umm... Diebold is a huge, publically-traded multinational company. Have you called the main number on the website: http://www.diebold.com/our-company/P...s/default.aspx Thank you for the contact us page on their website - I am currently awaiting a response from Diebold directly via the internet, since their main number was not answered when I called several times. -- posted from http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...os-581044-.htm using PolytechForum's Web, RSS and Social Media Interface to rec.crafts.metalworking and other engineering groups |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:18:01 PM UTC-4, Environova wrote:
replying to anorton , Environova wrote: anorton wrote: "Environova" wrote in message oups.com... Umm... Diebold is a huge, publically-traded multinational company. Have you called the main number on the website: http://www.diebold.com/our-company/P...s/default.aspx Thank you for the contact us page on their website - I am currently awaiting a response from Diebold directly via the internet, since their main number was not answered when I called several times. -- posted from http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...os-581044-.htm using PolytechForum's Web, RSS and Social Media Interface to rec.crafts.metalworking and other engineering groups Here's a general tip for what to do when a large company doesn't respond to a "normal" contact: Search on their web site for the corporate governance office or the investor relations office. In my experience, these phones ALWAYS get answered, and usually by someone who is more than happy to connect you to the right department. In this case: INVESTOR CONTACTS Primary IR Contact Investor Relations Department 9-B-16 Diebold 5995 Mayfair Road North Canton, OH 44720 Phone: 1-800-766-5859 Outside the U.S.:330-490-3790 |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:18:02 PM UTC-4, Environova wrote:
I am a consultant looking to identify asbestos (or not) in the safe walls...can't resell the items (there are four) without knowledge of the potential for asbestos inside. -- posted from http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...os-581044-.htm using PolytechForum's Web, RSS and Social Media Interface to rec.crafts.metalworking and other engineering groups Not that anyone sees replies from google, but this may be of some use... https://portal.navfac.navy.mil/porta.../Volume5-1.pdf |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
replying to Ignoramus4354 , Environova wrote:
ignoramus4354 wrote: Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I mean to offer for sale. I believe that they all use drywall type material instead of asbestos. Drywall gypsum has better heat resistance, because it can absorb a lot of heat while thermally disintegrating. It does not really need asbestos. i I finally found a phone number that works. Diebold says (according to their legal department) they never knowingly used asbestos in their products, but if your going to scrap the item, proceed as if asbestos is present. -- posted from http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...os-581044-.htm using PolytechForum's Web, RSS and Social Media Interface to rec.crafts.metalworking and other engineering groups |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
replying to rangerssuck , Environova wrote:
rangerssuck wrote: in ault.aspx -have-asbestos-581044-.htm Here's a general tip for what to do when a large company doesn't respond to a "normal" contact: Search on their web site for the corporate governance office or the investor relations office. In my experience, these phones ALW AYS get answered, and usually by someone who is more than happy to connect you to the right department. In this case: INVESTOR CONTACTS Primary IR Contact Investor Relations Department 9-B-16 Diebold 5995 Mayfair Road North Canton, OH 44720 Phone: 1-800-766-5859 Outside the U.S.:330-490-3790 Thank you for the contact number (I was unable to find it on the internet), it worked beautifully!! Diebold says they never knowingly used asbestos in their products, but if you're going to damage the integrity (like would happen at a scrap yard) then you should proceed as if asbestos is present. Thanks again! -- posted from http://www.polytechforum.com/metalwo...os-581044-.htm using PolytechForum's Web, RSS and Social Media Interface to rec.crafts.metalworking and other engineering groups |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
On 2013-08-02, Environova wrote:
replying to Ignoramus4354 , Environova wrote: ignoramus4354 wrote: Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I mean to offer for sale. I believe that they all use drywall type material instead of asbestos. Drywall gypsum has better heat resistance, because it can absorb a lot of heat while thermally disintegrating. It does not really need asbestos. i I finally found a phone number that works. Diebold says (according to their legal department) they never knowingly used asbestos in their products, but if your going to scrap the item, proceed as if asbestos is present. This, this is very useful. i |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
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Environova wrote: replying to Ignoramus4354 , Environova wrote: ignoramus4354 wrote: Let me know what you find out, I also have a diebold data safe that I mean to offer for sale. I believe that they all use drywall type material instead of asbestos. Drywall gypsum has better heat resistance, because it can absorb a lot of heat while thermally disintegrating. It does not really need asbestos. i I finally found a phone number that works. Diebold says (according to their legal department) they never knowingly used asbestos in their products, but if your going to scrap the item, proceed as if asbestos is present. That's a non-answer. Actually they do know if asbestos was an ingredient in the insulating plaster. What they don't know is how much asbestos came in other ingredients. When I was selling a house many years back, the buyer's broker wanted me to certify that the house had no UFFI in the walls. I declined to sign, because while I had seen no UFFI, I had and did not plan to open up all the walls and inspect for UFFI. Legally, my answer was "unknown", and there is no legal duty to investigate. The broker backed down. Joe Gwinn |
does a diebold R-5425 data-safe have asbestos
replying to Environova, Culty wrote:
I don't think it's required to open the walls to be exposed. According to lawyers statements I've read, just operating the safe could lead to exposure in high doses due to pressure release upon operation. -- for full context, visit https://www.polytechforum.com/metalw...os-581044-.htm |
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