I have a Ford LNT9000 Semi tractor.

I uploaded some pictures he

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Ford-LNT9000/

The nameplate is pictured he

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Ford-LNT9...T9000-0007.jpg

Its name plate on the door says, GVWR 44,800 lbs.

What exactly does it mean?

Someone told me that this means that the total weight of truck plus
trailer (combined) cannot exceed 44,800 lbs.

This makes no sense to me, as GVWR is not the same as GCWR, and if
they wanted to put GCWR on the truck, they would say so.

So... How big of a trailer can this truck tow?

Sorry for being so confused, guys, I would hate to realize that I
cannot tow a trailer that would be as big as I would hope to be able
to. The trailer I have is the low boy behind the truck, you can see it
on pictures.

My own reasoning is that GVWR is the max loaded weight of the front
and back axles of the truck, and it does not include the weight of the
rear axles of the semi trailer. So the GCWR capacity is limited by
44,800 plus 34,000 for the rear axles of the semi trailer, or 78,800
lbs GCWR.

Who is right?

Please, help!

Ignoramus21956 wrote:
I have a Ford LNT9000 Semi tractor.

I uploaded some pictures he

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Ford-LNT9000/

The nameplate is pictured he

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Ford-LNT9...T9000-0007.jpg

Its name plate on the door says, GVWR 44,800 lbs.

What exactly does it mean?

Someone told me that this means that the total weight of truck plus
trailer (combined) cannot exceed 44,800 lbs. That person is wrong to a point.

GVWR = Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - This means that the total weight of
the tractor itself cannot exceed 44,800 pounds.


This makes no sense to me, as GVWR is not the same as GCWR, and if
they wanted to put GCWR on the truck, they would say so.

GCWR - Gross Combined Weight Rating - The total weight of tractor and
whatever the load behind you is.


So... How big of a trailer can this truck tow?

How big have you got? Seriously.

Here is a simplified version.

You have a trailer rated for 40,000 pounds GVWR. Then you have your
tractor with a 44,800 pound GVWR.
Let's say that your empty trailer weighs in at 8,000 pounds. And your
tractor weighs in at 10,000 pounds.

You have a GCWR of 84,800 pounds.

You have the capacity to load up to 66,000 pounds of cargo. (Subtract
out the actual weight of the trailer and the tractor from the GCWR +
drop the 800 pounds off the tractor for a reason that I'll explain in a
bit.)

When you load the trailer you need to make sure that once loaded the
TOTAL weight on the trailers two axles do not exceed the 40,000 pound
number and the total weight on the tractors three axles doesn't exceed
44,000 pounds.

Under the above scenario with the 66,000 pound load and with the numbers
you would be running with a GCWR of 84,800 pounds. Your actual scaled
weight would be 84,000 pounds though. 800 pounds under the legal limit
for your rig. (that is why you toss the 800 pounds out, it gives you a
buffer of 800 pounds)



Sorry for being so confused, guys, I would hate to realize that I
cannot tow a trailer that would be as big as I would hope to be able
to. The trailer I have is the low boy behind the truck, you can see it
on pictures.

My own reasoning is that GVWR is the max loaded weight of the front
and back axles of the truck, and it does not include the weight of the
rear axles of the semi trailer. So the GCWR capacity is limited by
44,800 plus 34,000 for the rear axles of the semi trailer, or 78,800
lbs GCWR.

Who is right?

Your math is correct. But drop the 800 pounds for the reason I gave.
Have it on the registration and insurance paperwork but when figuring
your loads leave it out. That buffer could save you BIG fines if you
needed it.


Please, help!


--
Steve W.

On 2012-04-11, Steve W. wrote:
Ignoramus21956 wrote:
I have a Ford LNT9000 Semi tractor.

I uploaded some pictures he

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Ford-LNT9000/

The nameplate is pictured he

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Ford-LNT9...T9000-0007.jpg

Its name plate on the door says, GVWR 44,800 lbs.

What exactly does it mean?

Someone told me that this means that the total weight of truck plus
trailer (combined) cannot exceed 44,800 lbs. That person is wrong to a point.

GVWR = Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - This means that the total weight of
the tractor itself cannot exceed 44,800 pounds.

Thanks.


This makes no sense to me, as GVWR is not the same as GCWR, and if
they wanted to put GCWR on the truck, they would say so.

GCWR - Gross Combined Weight Rating - The total weight of tractor and
whatever the load behind you is.

Right.



So... How big of a trailer can this truck tow?

How big have you got? Seriously.

Well, I have a Trailking lowboy for the trailer. It is on a couple of
the pictures on that webpage.

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Ford-LNT9...T9000-0002.jpg

Its empty weight is 16,000 lbs, maximum gross weight is 76,000 lbs,
and capacity is 60,000 lbs. I got this information from the Trailking
company.

Here is a simplified version.

You have a trailer rated for 40,000 pounds GVWR. Then you have your
tractor with a 44,800 pound GVWR. Let's say that your empty trailer
weighs in at 8,000 pounds. And your tractor weighs in at 10,000
pounds.

You have a GCWR of 84,800 pounds.

You have the capacity to load up to 66,000 pounds of cargo. (Subtract
out the actual weight of the trailer and the tractor from the GCWR +
drop the 800 pounds off the tractor for a reason that I'll explain in a
bit.)

When you load the trailer you need to make sure that once loaded the
TOTAL weight on the trailers two axles do not exceed the 40,000 pound
number and the total weight on the tractors three axles doesn't exceed
44,000 pounds.

Under the above scenario with the 66,000 pound load and with the numbers
you would be running with a GCWR of 84,800 pounds. Your actual scaled
weight would be 84,000 pounds though. 800 pounds under the legal limit
for your rig. (that is why you toss the 800 pounds out, it gives you a
buffer of 800 pounds)



Sorry for being so confused, guys, I would hate to realize that I
cannot tow a trailer that would be as big as I would hope to be able
to. The trailer I have is the low boy behind the truck, you can see it
on pictures.

My own reasoning is that GVWR is the max loaded weight of the front
and back axles of the truck, and it does not include the weight of the
rear axles of the semi trailer. So the GCWR capacity is limited by
44,800 plus 34,000 for the rear axles of the semi trailer, or 78,800
lbs GCWR.

Who is right?

Your math is correct. But drop the 800 pounds for the reason I gave.
Have it on the registration and insurance paperwork but when figuring
your loads leave it out. That buffer could save you BIG fines if you
needed it.

OK, thanks. We are trying to figure out how to register all that stuff
to be legal and not questionable.

The equipment is that Ford LNT9000 and the Trailking 76,000 lbs
lowboy.

i

On 4/10/2012 11:04 PM, Ignoramus21956 wrote:
On 2012-04-11, Steve wrote:
Ignoramus21956 wrote:
I have a Ford LNT9000 Semi tractor.
....
Its name plate on the door says, GVWR 44,800 lbs.

What exactly does it mean?

Someone told me that this means that the total weight of truck plus
trailer (combined) cannot exceed 44,800 lbs. That person is wrong to a point.

GVWR = Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - This means that the total weight of
the tractor itself cannot exceed 44,800 pounds.

....
This makes no sense to me, as GVWR is not the same as GCWR, and if
they wanted to put GCWR on the truck, they would say so.

GCWR - Gross Combined Weight Rating - The total weight of tractor and
whatever the load behind you is.

Right.



So... How big of a trailer can this truck tow?

How big have you got? Seriously.

....
Its empty weight is 16,000 lbs, maximum gross weight is 76,000 lbs,
and capacity is 60,000 lbs. I got this information from the Trailking
company.

Here is a simplified version.

You have a trailer rated for 40,000 pounds GVWR. Then you have your
tractor with a 44,800 pound GVWR. Let's say that your empty trailer
weighs in at 8,000 pounds. And your tractor weighs in at 10,000
pounds.

You have a GCWR of 84,800 pounds.

You have the capacity to load up to 66,000 pounds of cargo. (Subtract
out the actual weight of the trailer and the tractor from the GCWR +
drop the 800 pounds off the tractor for a reason that I'll explain in a
bit.)

When you load the trailer you need to make sure that once loaded the
TOTAL weight on the trailers two axles do not exceed the 40,000 pound
number and the total weight on the tractors three axles doesn't exceed
44,000 pounds.

.....

OK, thanks. We are trying to figure out how to register all that stuff
to be legal and not questionable.
....

Good for registration...only other "gotcha'" is alluded to is what are
local axle load limits that may be under what the vehicle ratings are
capable of.

I mentioned in one of the previous threads the conundrum we're in in
this area of being on border of multiple states; each has its own limits
on weights/lengths and they're not consistent (and they don't care if
you came from the higher into the lower). You can get by a weight
restriction some places by a permitting process; two of the five nearby
states either will not permit or will not if the load can be broken.
The biggest difference is the length; OK allows 2ft over what KS does
but NM is 700 lb under the limits of each of those two as well as the
shorter length. It's not a lot but it can bite. And, of course, in
metro areas there are often local restrictions to boot and probably 80%
of violations are on individual axle limits as opposed to overall owing
to loading nonuniformity. This is a real key w/ heavy equipment like a
dozer or somesuch that is a concentrated weight to ensure have it
balanced properly and enough axles and axle spacings.
That's why see the many-axled trailer in so much of the NE and upper
midwest--MI must be particularly restrictive from what I've observed
when traveling to the Monroe fossil and Davis-Besse nuclear power plants
in my former days...

--

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:54:18 -0500
dpb wrote:

big snip
That's why see the many-axled trailer in so much of the NE and upper
midwest--MI must be particularly restrictive from what I've observed
when traveling to the Monroe fossil and Davis-Besse nuclear power plants
in my former days...

Too lazy to look it up, but you can legally scale ~160,000lbs gross in
MI. That is why they have all those axles and yes, you can still get
busted for a misload. Commonly called 11 axle, three on the tractor and
eight on the trailer. Brother-inlaw used to drive one hauling steel.
Back then (~30 years) if you were talented and lucky you could even
get away with more by playing with the air axles as you crossed the
weigh-station scale

You should try sitting on one of our viaducts sometime and
wait for one of those loaded 11 axles rigs to rumble by. And the
Sheeple wonder why our roads are crap...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On 4/11/2012 2:06 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:54:18 -0500
wrote:

big snip
That's why see the many-axled trailer in so much of the NE and upper
midwest--MI must be particularly restrictive from what I've observed
when traveling to the Monroe fossil and Davis-Besse nuclear power plants
in my former days...

Too lazy to look it up, but you can legally scale ~160,000lbs gross in
MI. That is why they have all those axles and yes, you can still get
busted for a misload. Commonly called 11 axle, three on the tractor and
eight on the trailer. Brother-inlaw used to drive one hauling steel.
Back then (~30 years) if you were talented and lucky you could even
get away with more by playing with the air axles as you crossed the
weigh-station scale

You should try sitting on one of our viaducts sometime and
wait for one of those loaded 11 axles rigs to rumble by. And the
Sheeple wonder why our roads are crap...


Been there, done that (outside Monroe plant, primarily waiting for
coal trains to clear; was a exit off the viaduct that was a gravel/wash
pit, apparently, that was a regular stream of vehicles).

They're really hell in the snow...was there one year at roughly
Christmas time and had roughly 2-ft--trucks stranded everywhere. To my
great surprise, they were saying that was an all-time record for a 24-hr
accumulation and I was also amazed at how it nearly completely paralyzed
Detroit area. I had always presumed they would have the means of
dealing w/ a little thing like a couple of feet, only...

This would have been toward end of the 80s if memory serves correctly.
We were doing the S-meter upgrade at Monroe and last I worked on it
would have been about that time...my how time has flown.

--

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:24:26 -0500
dpb wrote:

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They're really hell in the snow...was there one year at roughly
Christmas time and had roughly 2-ft--trucks stranded everywhere. To my
great surprise, they were saying that was an all-time record for a 24-hr
accumulation and I was also amazed at how it nearly completely paralyzed
Detroit area. I had always presumed they would have the means of
dealing w/ a little thing like a couple of feet, only...

Just my opinion, but I don't think they want to take chances with
all the crazy four wheelers around them. I haven't had to drive one
under those conditions but that is what I would be worrying about. If
those big rigs have a load and don't have to come to a complete stop...
bah! you already know this

The couple feet of snow isn't a problem for a single storm, but if the
wind blows and it doesn't quit for several days... then there is a big
problem. The big rigs have to stop because they can't make it around
all the four wheelers parked in the road or even see them at times
(shrug).

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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On 4/11/2012 2:42 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:24:26 -0500
wrote:

snip
They're really hell in the snow...was there one year at roughly
Christmas time and had roughly 2-ft--trucks stranded everywhere. To my
great surprise, they were saying that was an all-time record for a 24-hr
accumulation and I was also amazed at how it nearly completely paralyzed
Detroit area. I had always presumed they would have the means of
dealing w/ a little thing like a couple of feet, only...

Just my opinion, but I don't think they want to take chances with
all the crazy four wheelers around them. I haven't had to drive one
under those conditions but that is what I would be worrying about. If
those big rigs have a load and don't have to come to a complete stop...
bah! you already know this

The couple feet of snow isn't a problem for a single storm, but if the
wind blows and it doesn't quit for several days... then there is a big
problem. The big rigs have to stop because they can't make it around
all the four wheelers parked in the road or even see them at times
(shrug).

It wasn't them parked; they were just flat unable to get enough traction
w/ all the axles to push the snow out of the way; they were completely
helpless to even start, so stopping wasn't the issue.

This was a single afternoon/overnight event and almost no wind (at least
by W KS standards; it didn't drift badly at least).

The large trucks were blocking almost every major throughway ramp in the
area. On the way to the airport I saw fewer than a couple dozen
vehicles moving of any type; the place was essentially shut down. Had
to use side streets for quite a ways from the area of Monroe plant
towards the city before finally found a place to get to the freeway.

Never would have dreamed it if hadn't been there...

--

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:30:07 -0500
dpb wrote:

snip
It wasn't them parked; they were just flat unable to get enough traction
w/ all the axles to push the snow out of the way; they were completely
helpless to even start, so stopping wasn't the issue.

Never seen anything quite like that on this side of the state. Trucks
may have been empty? a lot of steel went towards Detroit back then with
little if anything on the back haul. A lot of the 11 axles back then
were steel haulers. I remember the city workers over there on strike a
few times, it didn't take much of storm to shut things down. Wasn't
enough white-collar's to replace striking blue-collars Kind of doubt
you happened upon a strike though...

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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Leon Fisk wrote:

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:30:07 -0500
dpb wrote:

snip
It wasn't them parked; they were just flat unable to get enough traction
w/ all the axles to push the snow out of the way; they were completely
helpless to even start, so stopping wasn't the issue.

Never seen anything quite like that on this side of the state. Trucks
may have been empty? a lot of steel went towards Detroit back then with
little if anything on the back haul. A lot of the 11 axles back then
were steel haulers. I remember the city workers over there on strike a
few times, it didn't take much of storm to shut things down. Wasn't
enough white-collar's to replace striking blue-collars Kind of doubt
you happened upon a strike though...


A lot of steel left Middletown Ohio on train cars, and loads of train
cars full of cars passed Middletown for the Southern States.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:02:04 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus21956 wrote:
I have a Ford LNT9000 Semi tractor.



I uploaded some pictures he



http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Ford-LNT9000/



The nameplate is pictured he



http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/Ford-LNT9...T9000-0007.jpg



Its name plate on the door says, GVWR 44,800 lbs.



What exactly does it mean?



Someone told me that this means that the total weight of truck plus

trailer (combined) cannot exceed 44,800 lbs.



This makes no sense to me, as GVWR is not the same as GCWR, and if

they wanted to put GCWR on the truck, they would say so.



So... How big of a trailer can this truck tow?



Sorry for being so confused, guys, I would hate to realize that I

cannot tow a trailer that would be as big as I would hope to be able

to. The trailer I have is the low boy behind the truck, you can see it

on pictures.



My own reasoning is that GVWR is the max loaded weight of the front

and back axles of the truck, and it does not include the weight of the

rear axles of the semi trailer. So the GCWR capacity is limited by

44,800 plus 34,000 for the rear axles of the semi trailer, or 78,800

lbs GCWR.



Who is right?



Please, help!