The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i

On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:06:43 -0500, Ignoramus23561
wrote:

The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i
Couple of things come to mind. If a trucker is paying to park means he
can't park at home and he has no company lot or not enough parking
there. All this means they have no place to dump trash. Unless you
have concrete beams to set the dollies on, there will be some
penetrations in the surface from loaded trailers. Expect trash,
blownout tires and a torn up parking lot.

On 2011-10-03, wrote:
The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i
Couple of things come to mind. If a trucker is paying to park means he
can't park at home and he has no company lot or not enough parking
there. All this means they have no place to dump trash. Unless you
have concrete beams to set the dollies on, there will be some
penetrations in the surface from loaded trailers. Expect trash,
blownout tires and a torn up parking lot.


The lot is not in the best of shapes even now.

Can I just ask those truckers to put pads under their semi trailer
jacks?

i

"Ignoramus23561" wrote in message
...
The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i

You need to talk to a lawyer. When i had my place on belmont ave. i
used to rent parking spaces until the city of chicago passed an ordenance
that would have required me to buy a license to park cars. To much hastle
so i stoped renting.

Best Regards
Tom.

--
http://fija.org/

On 2011-10-03, azotic wrote:



"Ignoramus23561" wrote in message
...
The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i

You need to talk to a lawyer. When i had my place on belmont ave. i
used to rent parking spaces until the city of chicago passed an ordenance
that would have required me to buy a license to park cars. To much hastle
so i stoped renting.

Thanks for a VERY straight answer. I will talk to a local lawyer soon.

By the way, the warehouse not in Chicago, but , obviously, you gave a
great example of local laws.

i

On 10/2/2011 8:01 PM, Ignoramus23561 wrote:
On 2011-10-03, wrote:



id wrote in message
...
The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i

You need to talk to a lawyer. When i had my place on belmont ave. i
used to rent parking spaces until the city of chicago passed an ordenance
that would have required me to buy a license to park cars. To much hastle
so i stoped renting.

Thanks for a VERY straight answer. I will talk to a local lawyer soon.

By the way, the warehouse not in Chicago, but , obviously, you gave a
great example of local laws.

i
What do you have for lighting? Need bright lights for security and
perhaps a video monitoring system.

Paul

Ignoramus23561 wrote:
On 2011-10-03, wrote:
The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i
Couple of things come to mind. If a trucker is paying to park means he
can't park at home and he has no company lot or not enough parking
there. All this means they have no place to dump trash. Unless you
have concrete beams to set the dollies on, there will be some
penetrations in the surface from loaded trailers. Expect trash,
blownout tires and a torn up parking lot.


The lot is not in the best of shapes even now.

Can I just ask those truckers to put pads under their semi trailer
jacks?

i


Get some small containers and rent them out in place for storage.

John

On Sun, 02 Oct 2011 22:01:57 -0500, Ignoramus23561
wrote:

On 2011-10-03, azotic wrote:

You need to talk to a lawyer. When i had my place on belmont ave. i
used to rent parking spaces until the city of chicago passed an ordenance
that would have required me to buy a license to park cars. To much hastle
so i stoped renting.

Thanks for a VERY straight answer. I will talk to a local lawyer soon.

By the way, the warehouse not in Chicago, but , obviously, you gave a
great example of local laws.

Also check on laws concerning security and liability. You'd probably
need a new liability policy for that, city licensing, etc. Call your
speaking weasel today!

--
Worry is a misuse of imagination.
-- Dan Zadra

"Ignoramus23561" wrote

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

In Las Vegas, out at the south end of Nellis, they were putting in Hwy 93.
There was a car out there in the desert. It had no doors, motor, rear end,
etc. Just a shell. As kids we went out there. As we got older, we got
girls to go with us. You know the rest.

The car was a hulk. But, legally, they had to slap an orange sticker on it
(it was upside down) for 90 days. Of course, no one claimed it, and it was
towed off by a wrecker after 90 days. Ending up with a titleless chattel
can be a real PITA to legally dispose of, conduct searches you might have to
pay for, and heaven forbid traces of cocaine, blood, or heroin show up.
And, as usual, it's the honest little guy who pays through the nose and has
huge hoops to go through. As a renter, this may become a regular scenario
for you which may be profitable or costly.

A guy I know in Redondo Beach rented his parking lot to those "roach
coaches" guys. He got damn good rent because in addition to being roach
coaches, they secretly doubled as unlicensed payday loan sources of cash,
and that bumped the price up, and they ended up being a very quiet
self-policing group, not wanting any reason for the cops to come over. They
were licensed inspected vehicles paying for overnight parking, think he had
to get a parking lot license. Not a lot of $$$.

Keep it simple, Simon.

Steve

"Steve B" wrote in message
.. .


"Ignoramus23561" wrote

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

In Las Vegas, out at the south end of Nellis, they were putting in Hwy 93.
There was a car out there in the desert. It had no doors, motor, rear
end, etc. Just a shell. As kids we went out there. As we got older, we
got girls to go with us. You know the rest.

The car was a hulk. But, legally, they had to slap an orange sticker on
it (it was upside down) for 90 days. Of course, no one claimed it, and it
was towed off by a wrecker after 90 days. Ending up with a titleless
chattel can be a real PITA to legally dispose of, conduct searches you
might have to pay for, and heaven forbid traces of cocaine, blood, or
heroin show up. And, as usual, it's the honest little guy who pays through
the nose and has huge hoops to go through. As a renter, this may become a
regular scenario for you which may be profitable or costly.

A guy I know in Redondo Beach rented his parking lot to those "roach
coaches" guys. He got damn good rent because in addition to being roach
coaches, they secretly doubled as unlicensed payday loan sources of cash,
and that bumped the price up, and they ended up being a very quiet
self-policing group, not wanting any reason for the cops to come over.
They were licensed inspected vehicles paying for overnight parking, think
he had to get a parking lot license. Not a lot of $$$.

Keep it simple, Simon.

Steve


You've got some good points Steve, however smaller vehicles could be ok.

We've got a 40 seat bus we park in someone elses yard and pay a couple of
hundred a month for a loose "road base" parking space.

There are a lot of buses, small trucks etc in our industrial areas that pay
for a fenced parking lot. I dont know about the US but here in Oz the
liabilities are small.

On Oct 2, 4:06*pm, Ignoramus23561 ignoramus23...@NOSPAM.
23561.invalid wrote:
The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i

The vacant lot across the street was rented to a road resurfacing
company that worked in the area for a year or so. Now it's rented to a
limo/tour bus company. Gravel surface so doesn't have some of the
problems mentioned. No shack or anything. The drive their car in and
the lemo out and lock the gate. It sound like renting to one company
could prevent some of the problems mentioned.
Karl

On 2011-10-03, wrote:
On Oct 2, 4:06?pm, Ignoramus23561 ignoramus23...@NOSPAM.
23561.invalid wrote:
The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i

The vacant lot across the street was rented to a road resurfacing
company that worked in the area for a year or so. Now it's rented to a
limo/tour bus company. Gravel surface so doesn't have some of the
problems mentioned. No shack or anything. The drive their car in and
the lemo out and lock the gate. It sound like renting to one company
could prevent some of the problems mentioned.
Karl

Not a bad idea! Less hassle, too.

i

Ignoramus23561 wrote:
The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i

Yeah, just ****ing do it. If falling meteor insurance or narco mexi
cartels become a problem, or elephants stampede your property or any of
the other paranoid things people here bring up happen, you can deal with
them.

Worst case the village tells you stop doing it, great you stop and have
made a couple thousand bucks already. Big deal, move on. If you start with
an attorney you're already in the hole before you even collect your first
dollar.

On 2011-10-03, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Ignoramus23561 wrote:
The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i

Yeah, just ****ing do it. If falling meteor insurance or narco mexi
cartels become a problem, or elephants stampede your property or any of
the other paranoid things people here bring up happen, you can deal with
them.

Worst case the village tells you stop doing it, great you stop and have
made a couple thousand bucks already. Big deal, move on. If you start with
an attorney you're already in the hole before you even collect your first
dollar.



I like your way of thinking, generally, with some exceptions.

The way I see it, I will need a lawyer to draft an agreement for
truckers, in any case.

I also talked to the village today and they said that it should not be
a problem, although they said they will double check.

i

On 2011-10-03, Steve B wrote:


"Ignoramus23561" wrote

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

In Las Vegas, out at the south end of Nellis, they were putting in Hwy 93.
There was a car out there in the desert. It had no doors, motor, rear end,
etc. Just a shell. As kids we went out there. As we got older, we got
girls to go with us. You know the rest.

The car was a hulk. But, legally, they had to slap an orange sticker on it
(it was upside down) for 90 days.

OK, I will bite. What exactly you were going with girls in an upside
down car?

I mean, I have two kids and I know what boys do with girls, but, I
cannot imagine doing THAT in a car that is upside down.

i

Ignoramus19762 fired this volley in
:

No tractor.

It doesn't take much of a "tug tractor" to move even a fully-loaded 53'
trailer. The big deal is tongue weight. Build yourself a 5th-wheel dolly
to go under the front, good for a working load of at least 60Klb, and you
could move them with block-n-tackle if necessary.

Just make sure nobody puts a kingpin lock on one without leaving you the
key.

LLoyd

On 2011-10-03, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus19762 fired this volley in
:

No tractor.

It doesn't take much of a "tug tractor" to move even a fully-loaded 53'
trailer. The big deal is tongue weight. Build yourself a 5th-wheel dolly
to go under the front, good for a working load of at least 60Klb, and you
could move them with block-n-tackle if necessary.

Just make sure nobody puts a kingpin lock on one without leaving you the
key.

Lloyd, I think that this is the stuff that I can figure out. I mean,
if someone leaves an unpaid-for parked semitrailer, I have plenty of
time to deal with it.

Ignoramus19762 fired this volley in
:

Lloyd, I think that this is the stuff that I can figure out. I mean,
if someone leaves an unpaid-for parked semitrailer, I have plenty of
time to deal with it.

Yep, and with the right contract, you own the tractor and the load after x
number of missed rent payments (just like storage places).

LLoyd

On 2011-10-03, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus19762 fired this volley in
:

Lloyd, I think that this is the stuff that I can figure out. I mean,
if someone leaves an unpaid-for parked semitrailer, I have plenty of
time to deal with it.

Yep, and with the right contract, you own the tractor and the load after x
number of missed rent payments (just like storage places).

Exactly. And I can always say, no hazmat placarded vehicles.

i

Ignoramus19762 fired this volley in
:

Exactly. And I can always say, no hazmat placarded vehicles

Actually, if you have the required distances for (say) explosives, you can
make a friggin' MINT by declaring a "safe haven" for explosives trucks.

LLoyd

On 2011-10-03, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus19762 fired this volley in
:

Exactly. And I can always say, no hazmat placarded vehicles

Actually, if you have the required distances for (say) explosives, you can
make a friggin' MINT by declaring a "safe haven" for explosives trucks.

No explosives allowed. I am in M-1 manufacturing zone.

i

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Ignoramus23561 wrote:
The building that I own since last Thursday, has a huge front parking
lot that is 133 feet deep and is rather wide also. I have no use for
it.

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

Depending on how much area I give to each semi truck, there is room
for, perhaps, 11-12 "big rigs" to be parked in front only, and for
some in the back. They would have plenty of room to easily get in and
out, through my property.

The past owner could not do it, because his employees needed to park
their cars, but for me this is not the case.

So my question, first, is, would parking this many semis raise
any concerns for an industrial zoned land?

My second question is, how can I find this out for sure, should I just
talk to the village or ask some local attorney? The village, so far,
seems nice and accommodating. My bilding is 500 feet from the village
hall, as it happens.

In addition, there are no banks and loan covenants in the picture.

Any comments?

i

Yeah, just ****ing do it. If falling meteor insurance or narco mexi
cartels become a problem, or elephants stampede your property or any of
the other paranoid things people here bring up happen, you can deal with
them.

Worst case the village tells you stop doing it, great you stop and have
made a couple thousand bucks already. Big deal, move on. If you start with
an attorney you're already in the hole before you even collect your first
dollar.

STRIKE ONE! You're outta here .............

"Ignoramus19762" wrote in message
...
On 2011-10-03, Steve B wrote:


"Ignoramus23561" wrote

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

In Las Vegas, out at the south end of Nellis, they were putting in Hwy
93.
There was a car out there in the desert. It had no doors, motor, rear
end,
etc. Just a shell. As kids we went out there. As we got older, we got
girls to go with us. You know the rest.

The car was a hulk. But, legally, they had to slap an orange sticker on
it
(it was upside down) for 90 days.

OK, I will bite. What exactly you were going with girls in an upside
down car?

I mean, I have two kids and I know what boys do with girls, but, I
cannot imagine doing THAT in a car that is upside down.

i

You must remember that nothing was ever proven in a court of law. And that
my childhood/pubertyhood probably was a little different than yours. Las
Vegas is like growing up on another planet. As for what we did, whatever
was done was done with mutual consent.

"Ignoramus19762" wrote

Exactly. And I can always say, no hazmat placarded vehicles.

i

That takes care of the honest people..................

Steve

On 2011-10-03, Steve B wrote:

"Ignoramus19762" wrote in message

Well, at least you are taking it one step at a time, and getting answers to
some potential questions before you get caught in the bear trap. That is
the sign of a good businessman. Large things fall out of the sky
occasionally, and you don't believe it until one lands on your house. You
have a lot to risk here, so just don't take any uninformed leaps. Sounds
like you're doing your homework, and if you get your ducks in a row, the
income will flow soon. And if you do it right, you won't have hassle after
hassle once it does start. It won't be interrupted by fits and starts of
things you could have easily avoided.


My thinking exactly. Get a lawyer, avoid big problems, deal with small
problems as they arrive. Do not forget to collect money.

i

"Ignoramus19762" wrote in message
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On 2011-10-03, Steve B wrote:

"Ignoramus19762" wrote in message

Well, at least you are taking it one step at a time, and getting answers
to
some potential questions before you get caught in the bear trap. That is
the sign of a good businessman. Large things fall out of the sky
occasionally, and you don't believe it until one lands on your house.
You
have a lot to risk here, so just don't take any uninformed leaps. Sounds
like you're doing your homework, and if you get your ducks in a row, the
income will flow soon. And if you do it right, you won't have hassle
after
hassle once it does start. It won't be interrupted by fits and starts of
things you could have easily avoided.


My thinking exactly. Get a lawyer, avoid big problems, deal with small
problems as they arrive. Do not forget to collect money.

i

Don't forget deposit, either.

Steve

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That takes care of the honest people..................


If you take in an un-placarded load, along with a statement that the
trailer contains no hazmat, and it's found that it does, you have a
reasonably limited liability (so long as no property damage occurs to
your neighbors).

I'd form an LLC separate from your machine selling business with which to
conduct that sort of enterprise.

LLoyd

On 2011-10-03, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
"Steve B" fired this volley in
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That takes care of the honest people..................


If you take in an un-placarded load, along with a statement that the
trailer contains no hazmat, and it's found that it does, you have a
reasonably limited liability (so long as no property damage occurs to
your neighbors).

I'd form an LLC separate from your machine selling business with which to
conduct that sort of enterprise.

I do not want to have any more business entities. One is quite enough
for me.

i

Ignoramus19762 fired this volley in
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I do not want to have any more business entities. One is quite enough
for me.


Ig, the burden of maintaining an LLC for particularly liability-prone
activities is slight. It's cheap as dirt to form, easy as pie to do the
reporting, and gives you the "shield of the corporate veil" from any
misapprehensions of the company itself.

Your first duty is to protect and support your family. You cannot take
risks with their welfare by failing to do what is both inexpensive and
prudent, especially when it will require only 10-15 hours of work a year
to maintain that circumstance.

Talk to your attorney about this. It's not a great big deal, at all.
It's certainly less burdensome than creating an "S" corp.

LLoyd

On 2011-10-03, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus19762 fired this volley in
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I do not want to have any more business entities. One is quite enough
for me.


Ig, the burden of maintaining an LLC for particularly liability-prone
activities is slight. It's cheap as dirt to form, easy as pie to do the
reporting, and gives you the "shield of the corporate veil" from any
misapprehensions of the company itself.

I do not think that it gives as much of a shield as you think.

I will ask my lawyer about it, I talked to him a little today. I doubt
that just because I form an LLC, and someone accidentally causes
damage to neighbors, or the environment, that I would be off the hook
just because I formed some kind of business entity.

Your first duty is to protect and support your family. You cannot take
risks with their welfare by failing to do what is both inexpensive and
prudent, especially when it will require only 10-15 hours of work a year
to maintain that circumstance.

Talk to your attorney about this. It's not a great big deal, at all.
It's certainly less burdensome than creating an "S" corp.

S corporation is what I have.

i

Ignoramus19762 fired this volley in
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I will ask my lawyer about it, I talked to him a little today. I doubt
that just because I form an LLC, and someone accidentally causes
damage to neighbors, or the environment, that I would be off the hook
just because I formed some kind of business entity.


Here's the issue: If the corporation legitimately enters into a contract
which becomes "poison", and you have not personally done KNOWINGLY
negligent things to promote that condition, then all they can do is sue
the corporation.

If you (basically) keep the corporation "broke", there's nothing to gain
from a suit. They can try, but they'll get only what the LLC owns.

I make machines to make explosives! How much liability do you think
there is in that? G My attorney, who deals in manufacturing liability,
was johnny-on-the-spot to recommend an LLC as the best way to protect my
personal interests. (In addition to that, I have a "durable trust" set
up for my disabled son. EVERYTHING I own is irrevocably owned by him,
and cannot be touched by any action against me personally.)

In fact, you can't keep people from filing suit. That's why you make
them sue the LLC. With limited resources, they have nothing to gain.

LLoyd

On 2011-10-03, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
Ignoramus19762 fired this volley in
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I will ask my lawyer about it, I talked to him a little today. I doubt
that just because I form an LLC, and someone accidentally causes
damage to neighbors, or the environment, that I would be off the hook
just because I formed some kind of business entity.


Here's the issue: If the corporation legitimately enters into a contract
which becomes "poison", and you have not personally done KNOWINGLY
negligent things to promote that condition, then all they can do is sue
the corporation.

Right. A contract with an LLC, limits the recourse. So, say, if my LLC
cannot pay its bills, or some such, limited liability may shield its
owner.

Not so, when it comes to any torts where the negligent person is the
owner of the LLC.

If you (basically) keep the corporation "broke", there's nothing to gain
from a suit. They can try, but they'll get only what the LLC owns.


I make machines to make explosives! How much liability do you think
there is in that? G My attorney, who deals in manufacturing liability,
was johnny-on-the-spot to recommend an LLC as the best way to protect my
personal interests. (In addition to that, I have a "durable trust" set
up for my disabled son. EVERYTHING I own is irrevocably owned by him,
and cannot be touched by any action against me personally.)

In fact, you can't keep people from filing suit. That's why you make
them sue the LLC. With limited resources, they have nothing to gain.

I will check with my attorney. Thanks.

i

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:03:20 -0500, Ignoramus19762
wrote:

On 2011-10-03, Steve B wrote:


"Ignoramus23561" wrote

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

In Las Vegas, out at the south end of Nellis, they were putting in Hwy 93.
There was a car out there in the desert. It had no doors, motor, rear end,
etc. Just a shell. As kids we went out there. As we got older, we got
girls to go with us. You know the rest.

The car was a hulk. But, legally, they had to slap an orange sticker on it
(it was upside down) for 90 days.

OK, I will bite. What exactly you were going with girls in an upside
down car?

I mean, I have two kids and I know what boys do with girls, but, I
cannot imagine doing THAT in a car that is upside down.

i

Blink blink.....blink....oh..I ferget..you grew up in the USSR.

Had me worried for a minute there.

Gunner, who has done "it" in some very unusual places..including a glass
elevator...


"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:43:43 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Ignoramus19762" wrote

Exactly. And I can always say, no hazmat placarded vehicles.

i

That takes care of the honest people..................

Steve


Ayup.

Gunner

"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:37:28 -0500, Ignoramus19762
wrote:

On 2011-10-03, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
"Steve B" fired this volley in
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That takes care of the honest people..................


If you take in an un-placarded load, along with a statement that the
trailer contains no hazmat, and it's found that it does, you have a
reasonably limited liability (so long as no property damage occurs to
your neighbors).

I'd form an LLC separate from your machine selling business with which to
conduct that sort of enterprise.

I do not want to have any more business entities. One is quite enough
for me.

i

Not when it comes to this sort of thing. An LLC is a very good idea.


"In the history of mankind, there have always been men and women who's goal
in life is to take down nations. We have just elected such a man to run our
country." - David Lloyyd (2008)

On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:03:20 -0500, Ignoramus19762
wrote:

On 2011-10-03, Steve B wrote:


"Ignoramus23561" wrote

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

In Las Vegas, out at the south end of Nellis, they were putting in Hwy 93.
There was a car out there in the desert. It had no doors, motor, rear end,
etc. Just a shell. As kids we went out there. As we got older, we got
girls to go with us. You know the rest.

The car was a hulk. But, legally, they had to slap an orange sticker on it
(it was upside down) for 90 days.

OK, I will bite. What exactly you were going with girls in an upside
down car?

I mean, I have two kids and I know what boys do with girls, but, I
cannot imagine doing THAT in a car that is upside down.

Why not? Girls say "Let's go some place secluded." Boys think "Any
spot a girl gets on her back for (or on top of) me is fine with me."
and says "I know just the spot." Girl thinks "This is unique and
secluded and covered." and says "Let's do it."

--
Worry is a misuse of imagination.
-- Dan Zadra

Ignoramus19762 on Mon, 03 Oct
2011 13:03:20 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On 2011-10-03, Steve B wrote:


"Ignoramus23561" wrote

I am thinking of allowing semi trucks to park there, to make
money. There is one semi trailer parked on my property right now -- I
have no idea whose semi trailer it is and will sort it out -- so it
seems to be legal.

In Las Vegas, out at the south end of Nellis, they were putting in Hwy 93.
There was a car out there in the desert. It had no doors, motor, rear end,
etc. Just a shell. As kids we went out there. As we got older, we got
girls to go with us. You know the rest.

The car was a hulk. But, legally, they had to slap an orange sticker on it
(it was upside down) for 90 days.

OK, I will bite. What exactly you were going with girls in an upside
down car?
They were teaching astronomy. Sheens, desert nights, perfect for
star gazing. "Now just lay back down here, and you can see...."

I mean, I have two kids and I know what boys do with girls, but, I
cannot imagine doing THAT in a car that is upside down.

In it, under it, on it. next to it ... boys will be boys, and
girls will pick the wrong ones....


tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.