Spent a couple of hours with my almost civil war patented horizontal
mill yesterday. Somebody has to take it apart, just seems like it is
always me that has to do this kind of stuff. The gib screws are .6" X
2" with single slots that are wallowed to the point of looking like
snow angle's wings. I got 4 out of 10 out and pounded on them with a
3/16" flat round ended punch counter clock wise.

When I started typing I thought of welding a tire iron slotted end...
don't have 6 of them. I really don't want to have welding marks on the
machine cause I can never see well enough. Nuts may work, but will be
worried that I'll weld the screws to the machine, the way I weld !

I use to have to get allen screws out of crankshafts and am pretty
good with drills and easy outs. Never did fail on a crank. But, having
trouble foreseeing a drill bit against a slot wallowed bigger on each
side than the middle. Couldn't remember if HHS shatters like carbide,
that didn't take long. The fast and dirty chisel cut a couple of times
till it shattered.

Got some funny dressed drill bit/mill bits from Mr. GD that I'm not
sure what they are for. 90 degree step so I guess putting counter
sinks with. Couldn't find them just a second ago, but know they are
there. Maybe those and then to a real HHS american made step drill?
The step bit won't do it alone. Or maybe dressing a chosen drill bit
to looking like a large pencil point? I don't own any small metal
chisels and don't want to destroy a punch, but that might work, to
chisel the remaining sides to drill without total chaos.

I read all the recent posst about auto stuck studs, what else is
missing. I can borrow a die grinder, but don't have a sharp bit.


SW

Sunworshipper wrote:

Spent a couple of hours with my almost civil war patented horizontal
mill yesterday. Somebody has to take it apart, just seems like it is
always me that has to do this kind of stuff. The gib screws are .6" X
2" with single slots that are wallowed to the point of looking like
snow angle's wings. I got 4 out of 10 out and pounded on them with a
3/16" flat round ended punch counter clock wise.

When I started typing I thought of welding a tire iron slotted end...
don't have 6 of them. I really don't want to have welding marks on the
machine cause I can never see well enough. Nuts may work, but will be
worried that I'll weld the screws to the machine, the way I weld !

I use to have to get allen screws out of crankshafts and am pretty
good with drills and easy outs. Never did fail on a crank. But, having
trouble foreseeing a drill bit against a slot wallowed bigger on each
side than the middle. Couldn't remember if HHS shatters like carbide,
that didn't take long. The fast and dirty chisel cut a couple of times
till it shattered.

Got some funny dressed drill bit/mill bits from Mr. GD that I'm not
sure what they are for. 90 degree step so I guess putting counter
sinks with. Couldn't find them just a second ago, but know they are
there. Maybe those and then to a real HHS american made step drill?
The step bit won't do it alone. Or maybe dressing a chosen drill bit
to looking like a large pencil point? I don't own any small metal
chisels and don't want to destroy a punch, but that might work, to
chisel the remaining sides to drill without total chaos.

I read all the recent posst about auto stuck studs, what else is
missing. I can borrow a die grinder, but don't have a sharp bit.

SW

Kinda sounds like a job for one of the manual hammer type impact
drivers. Soak the problem screws in with Kroil for a few days and then a
good whack with the impact driver will probably get them out since they
are likely not stuck too bad if you got the others out.

On Feb 17, 10:37*am, Sunworshipper SW@GWNTUNDRA wrote:
Spent a couple of hours with my almost civil war patented horizontal
mill yesterday. Somebody has to take it apart, just seems like it is
always me that has to do this kind of stuff. The gib screws are .6" X
2" with single slots that are wallowed to the point of looking like
snow angle's wings. I got 4 out of 10 out and pounded on them with a
3/16" flat round ended punch counter clock wise.

When I started typing I thought of welding a tire iron slotted end...
don't have 6 of them. I really don't want to have welding marks on the
machine cause I can never see well enough. Nuts may work, but will be
worried that I'll weld the screws to the machine, the way I weld !

I use to have to get allen screws out of crankshafts and am pretty
good with drills and easy outs. Never did fail on a crank. But, having
trouble foreseeing a drill bit against a slot wallowed bigger on each
side than the middle. Couldn't remember if HHS shatters like carbide,
that didn't take long. The fast and dirty chisel cut a couple of times
till it shattered.

Got some funny dressed drill bit/mill bits from Mr. GD that I'm not
sure what they are for. 90 degree step so I guess putting counter
sinks with. Couldn't find them just a second ago, but know they are
there. *Maybe those and then to a real HHS american made step drill?
The step bit won't do it alone. Or maybe dressing a chosen drill bit
to looking like a large pencil point? I don't own any small metal
chisels and don't want to destroy a punch, but that might work, to
chisel the remaining sides to drill without total chaos.

I read all the recent posst about auto stuck studs, what else is
missing. I can borrow a die grinder, but don't have a sharp bit.

SW

I'm not exactly sure how it's set up, but maybe you could pull the
knee or saddle off so you can remove the gibs and get access to the
backside of the screws that you're trying to remove. If they're near
the surface of the dovetail, you might be able to grind a slot with a
dremel and screw it out that way. Just a thought.

On Feb 17, 12:21*pm, "Pete C." wrote:
Sunworshipper wrote:

Spent a couple of hours with my almost civil war patented horizontal
mill yesterday. Somebody has to take it apart, just seems like it is
always me that has to do this kind of stuff. The gib screws are .6" X
2" with single slots that are wallowed to the point of looking like
snow angle's wings. I got 4 out of 10 out and pounded on them with a
3/16" flat round ended punch counter clock wise.

When I started typing I thought of welding a tire iron slotted end...
don't have 6 of them. I really don't want to have welding marks on the
machine cause I can never see well enough. Nuts may work, but will be
worried that I'll weld the screws to the machine, the way I weld !

I use to have to get allen screws out of crankshafts and am pretty
good with drills and easy outs. Never did fail on a crank. But, having
trouble foreseeing a drill bit against a slot wallowed bigger on each
side than the middle. Couldn't remember if HHS shatters like carbide,
that didn't take long. The fast and dirty chisel cut a couple of times
till it shattered.

Got some funny dressed drill bit/mill bits from Mr. GD that I'm not
sure what they are for. 90 degree step so I guess putting counter
sinks with. Couldn't find them just a second ago, but know they are
there. *Maybe those and then to a real HHS american made step drill?
The step bit won't do it alone. Or maybe dressing a chosen drill bit
to looking like a large pencil point? I don't own any small metal
chisels and don't want to destroy a punch, but that might work, to
chisel the remaining sides to drill without total chaos.

I read all the recent posst about auto stuck studs, what else is
missing. I can borrow a die grinder, but don't have a sharp bit.

SW

Kinda sounds like a job for one of the manual hammer type impact
drivers. Soak the problem screws in with Kroil for a few days and then a
good whack with the impact driver will probably get them out since they
are likely not stuck too bad if you got the others out.

Anyone who has used one of these back when motorcycle case screws were
soft *phillips head* can attest to the magic of which those hammer-
driven impact drivers are capable.

Dave

On Feb 17, 11:37*am, Sunworshipper SW@GWNTUNDRA wrote:
Spent a couple of hours with my almost civil war patented horizontal
mill yesterday. Somebody has to take it apart, just seems like it is
always me that has to do this kind of stuff. The gib screws are .6" X
2" with single slots that are wallowed to the point of looking like
snow angle's wings. I got 4 out of 10 out and pounded on them with a
3/16" flat round ended punch counter clock wise.

When I started typing I thought of welding a tire iron slotted end...
don't have 6 of them. I really don't want to have welding marks on the
machine cause I can never see well enough. Nuts may work, but will be
worried that I'll weld the screws to the machine, the way I weld !

I use to have to get allen screws out of crankshafts and am pretty
good with drills and easy outs. Never did fail on a crank. But, having
trouble foreseeing a drill bit against a slot wallowed bigger on each
side than the middle. Couldn't remember if HHS shatters like carbide,
that didn't take long. The fast and dirty chisel cut a couple of times
till it shattered.

Got some funny dressed drill bit/mill bits from Mr. GD that I'm not
sure what they are for. 90 degree step so I guess putting counter
sinks with. Couldn't find them just a second ago, but know they are
there. *Maybe those and then to a real HHS american made step drill?
The step bit won't do it alone. Or maybe dressing a chosen drill bit
to looking like a large pencil point? I don't own any small metal
chisels and don't want to destroy a punch, but that might work, to
chisel the remaining sides to drill without total chaos.

I read all the recent posst about auto stuck studs, what else is
missing. I can borrow a die grinder, but don't have a sharp bit.

SW

Are you using left-handed bits? That way if it drills, fine. If the
bit grabs and tries to turn the screw, fine. The drill pulls the
screw out more often than you might think. If you're worried about
staying centered, maybe make a block with an appropriate sized hole to
help guide the bit?
--Glenn Lyford

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:42:36 -0800 (PST), Glenn Lyford
wrote:

On Feb 17, 11:37*am, Sunworshipper SW@GWNTUNDRA wrote:
Spent a couple of hours with my almost civil war patented horizontal
mill yesterday. Somebody has to take it apart, just seems like it is
always me that has to do this kind of stuff. The gib screws are .6" X
2" with single slots that are wallowed to the point of looking like
snow angle's wings. I got 4 out of 10 out and pounded on them with a
3/16" flat round ended punch counter clock wise.

When I started typing I thought of welding a tire iron slotted end...
don't have 6 of them. I really don't want to have welding marks on the
machine cause I can never see well enough. Nuts may work, but will be
worried that I'll weld the screws to the machine, the way I weld !

I use to have to get allen screws out of crankshafts and am pretty
good with drills and easy outs. Never did fail on a crank. But, having
trouble foreseeing a drill bit against a slot wallowed bigger on each
side than the middle. Couldn't remember if HHS shatters like carbide,
that didn't take long. The fast and dirty chisel cut a couple of times
till it shattered.

Got some funny dressed drill bit/mill bits from Mr. GD that I'm not
sure what they are for. 90 degree step so I guess putting counter
sinks with. Couldn't find them just a second ago, but know they are
there. *Maybe those and then to a real HHS american made step drill?
The step bit won't do it alone. Or maybe dressing a chosen drill bit
to looking like a large pencil point? I don't own any small metal
chisels and don't want to destroy a punch, but that might work, to
chisel the remaining sides to drill without total chaos.

I read all the recent posst about auto stuck studs, what else is
missing. I can borrow a die grinder, but don't have a sharp bit.

SW

Are you using left-handed bits? That way if it drills, fine. If the
bit grabs and tries to turn the screw, fine. The drill pulls the
screw out more often than you might think. If you're worried about
staying centered, maybe make a block with an appropriate sized hole to
help guide the bit?
--Glenn Lyford


Never had or tried left-landed.

You know that had crossed my mind, but when I read it, it occurred to
me that I could bolt a guide onto the top of the platen/table and have
it 90 degrees downward, drill through, and that all the screws should
be at the exact same plane.

That's a great idea, thanks. Best start looking for some metal that
is 90 degrees on the inside.


SW

Are you using left-handed bits? That way if it drills, fine. If the
bit grabs and tries to turn the screw, fine. The drill pulls the
screw out more often than you might think. If you're worried about
staying centered, maybe make a block with an appropriate sized hole to
help guide the bit?
--Glenn Lyford


Never had or tried left-landed.

You know that had crossed my mind, but when I read it, it occurred to
me that I could bolt a guide onto the top of the platen/table and have
it 90 degrees downward, drill through, and that all the screws should
be at the exact same plane.

That's a great idea, thanks. Best start looking for some metal that
is 90 degrees on the inside.


SW

I was going to suggest left hand drills also. They are my GOTO
solution for nearly all stuck fasteners. In this case, you'll have to
make up some sort of drill bushing/guide to get as near center as
possible.

Karl

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:06:06 -0600, Sunworshipper SW@GWNTUNDRA
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:42:36 -0800 (PST), Glenn Lyford
wrote:

On Feb 17, 11:37*am, Sunworshipper SW@GWNTUNDRA wrote:
Spent a couple of hours with my almost civil war patented horizontal
mill yesterday. Somebody has to take it apart, just seems like it is
always me that has to do this kind of stuff. The gib screws are .6" X
2" with single slots that are wallowed to the point of looking like
snow angle's wings. I got 4 out of 10 out and pounded on them with a
3/16" flat round ended punch counter clock wise.

When I started typing I thought of welding a tire iron slotted end...
don't have 6 of them. I really don't want to have welding marks on the
machine cause I can never see well enough. Nuts may work, but will be
worried that I'll weld the screws to the machine, the way I weld !

I use to have to get allen screws out of crankshafts and am pretty
good with drills and easy outs. Never did fail on a crank. But, having
trouble foreseeing a drill bit against a slot wallowed bigger on each
side than the middle. Couldn't remember if HHS shatters like carbide,
that didn't take long. The fast and dirty chisel cut a couple of times
till it shattered.

Got some funny dressed drill bit/mill bits from Mr. GD that I'm not
sure what they are for. 90 degree step so I guess putting counter
sinks with. Couldn't find them just a second ago, but know they are
there. *Maybe those and then to a real HHS american made step drill?
The step bit won't do it alone. Or maybe dressing a chosen drill bit
to looking like a large pencil point? I don't own any small metal
chisels and don't want to destroy a punch, but that might work, to
chisel the remaining sides to drill without total chaos.

I read all the recent posst about auto stuck studs, what else is
missing. I can borrow a die grinder, but don't have a sharp bit.

SW

Are you using left-handed bits? That way if it drills, fine. If the
bit grabs and tries to turn the screw, fine. The drill pulls the
screw out more often than you might think. If you're worried about
staying centered, maybe make a block with an appropriate sized hole to
help guide the bit?
--Glenn Lyford


Never had or tried left-landed.

You know that had crossed my mind, but when I read it, it occurred to
me that I could bolt a guide onto the top of the platen/table and have
it 90 degrees downward, drill through, and that all the screws should
be at the exact same plane.

That's a great idea, thanks. Best start looking for some metal that
is 90 degrees on the inside.


SW

Well, that seemed like it would work. Found a large angle iron and
drilled and taped a couple of holes and clamped on a piece of aluminum
with a hole for a guide and then clamped the angle iron down on the
platen. First bit was toast. Then found the smallest chisel and went
for it to make wallowed slot closer to the profile of the end of the
bit, and this stuff breaks more than cuts, second bit, toast. Now a
1/4" bit can be used readily, and it is toast. Looks like welding is
the next option. I wouldn't think they would make these so hard.

I think I'll just make up new ones with square heads.

Oh, looks like the slots in the platen are different from everything
else that I have. Guess they never made anything standard.


SW

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:21:38 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Sunworshipper wrote:

Spent a couple of hours with my almost civil war patented horizontal
mill yesterday. Somebody has to take it apart, just seems like it is
always me that has to do this kind of stuff. The gib screws are .6" X
2" with single slots that are wallowed to the point of looking like
snow angle's wings. I got 4 out of 10 out and pounded on them with a
3/16" flat round ended punch counter clock wise.

When I started typing I thought of welding a tire iron slotted end...
don't have 6 of them. I really don't want to have welding marks on the
machine cause I can never see well enough. Nuts may work, but will be
worried that I'll weld the screws to the machine, the way I weld !

I use to have to get allen screws out of crankshafts and am pretty
good with drills and easy outs. Never did fail on a crank. But, having
trouble foreseeing a drill bit against a slot wallowed bigger on each
side than the middle. Couldn't remember if HHS shatters like carbide,
that didn't take long. The fast and dirty chisel cut a couple of times
till it shattered.

Got some funny dressed drill bit/mill bits from Mr. GD that I'm not
sure what they are for. 90 degree step so I guess putting counter
sinks with. Couldn't find them just a second ago, but know they are
there. Maybe those and then to a real HHS american made step drill?
The step bit won't do it alone. Or maybe dressing a chosen drill bit
to looking like a large pencil point? I don't own any small metal
chisels and don't want to destroy a punch, but that might work, to
chisel the remaining sides to drill without total chaos.

I read all the recent posst about auto stuck studs, what else is
missing. I can borrow a die grinder, but don't have a sharp bit.

SW

Kinda sounds like a job for one of the manual hammer type impact
drivers. Soak the problem screws in with Kroil for a few days and then a
good whack with the impact driver will probably get them out since they
are likely not stuck too bad if you got the others out.


That's what did it, got them all out. My dad must have had one years
ago, cause I knew what you where talking about. The uncle-in-law has
one. Wasn't easy though. Now back to the fun part. But, I think it's
missing the main wheel I bet. Found a cool Brown & Sharpe patent list
and the one I'm looking for isn't there. Now I need to figure out this
trip pin for end of travel reverse switch that is in the way of the
control box cover.

Thanks


SW

Sunworshipper wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:21:38 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Sunworshipper wrote:

Spent a couple of hours with my almost civil war patented horizontal
mill yesterday. Somebody has to take it apart, just seems like it is
always me that has to do this kind of stuff. The gib screws are .6" X
2" with single slots that are wallowed to the point of looking like
snow angle's wings. I got 4 out of 10 out and pounded on them with a
3/16" flat round ended punch counter clock wise.

When I started typing I thought of welding a tire iron slotted end...
don't have 6 of them. I really don't want to have welding marks on the
machine cause I can never see well enough. Nuts may work, but will be
worried that I'll weld the screws to the machine, the way I weld !

I use to have to get allen screws out of crankshafts and am pretty
good with drills and easy outs. Never did fail on a crank. But, having
trouble foreseeing a drill bit against a slot wallowed bigger on each
side than the middle. Couldn't remember if HHS shatters like carbide,
that didn't take long. The fast and dirty chisel cut a couple of times
till it shattered.

Got some funny dressed drill bit/mill bits from Mr. GD that I'm not
sure what they are for. 90 degree step so I guess putting counter
sinks with. Couldn't find them just a second ago, but know they are
there. Maybe those and then to a real HHS american made step drill?
The step bit won't do it alone. Or maybe dressing a chosen drill bit
to looking like a large pencil point? I don't own any small metal
chisels and don't want to destroy a punch, but that might work, to
chisel the remaining sides to drill without total chaos.

I read all the recent posst about auto stuck studs, what else is
missing. I can borrow a die grinder, but don't have a sharp bit.

SW

Kinda sounds like a job for one of the manual hammer type impact
drivers. Soak the problem screws in with Kroil for a few days and then a
good whack with the impact driver will probably get them out since they
are likely not stuck too bad if you got the others out.

That's what did it, got them all out. My dad must have had one years
ago, cause I knew what you where talking about. The uncle-in-law has
one. Wasn't easy though. Now back to the fun part. But, I think it's
missing the main wheel I bet. Found a cool Brown & Sharpe patent list
and the one I'm looking for isn't there. Now I need to figure out this
trip pin for end of travel reverse switch that is in the way of the
control box cover.

Thanks

SW

Good to hear it worked. I've got one of those impact drivers here
somewhere too. I've also got a modern Makita cordless impact driver that
works wonders on many things, though it doesn't provide the forward
force that the hammer impact drivers do to help keep the bit from
slipping.