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Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your
hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. |
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On Feb 11, 1:37*pm, "Bob La Londe" wrote:
Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. *I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. *Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. *I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. *I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish *had thought of it. Holy crap, that's great! Dave |
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In article , "Bob La Londe" wrote:
Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Bob, that's definitely a keeper. THANK YOU for posting the tip. I can think of half a dozen situations, just in the last six months, where I could have used that. |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Very nice! Great tip. Waaay back when I was a TV repair tech in mid last century we used to dig a small piece of the waxy stuff off the flyback xformer and used it to stick the screw to the driver. It worked great but I haven't seen that waxy stuff in decades. Art |
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On Feb 11, 1:37*pm, "Bob La Londe" wrote:
Excellent. Thanks. |
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Bob La Londe wrote:
Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Great idea Bob, that's gonna come in very handy. Jon |
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Thank you! Not only is that about as simple and elegant as it gets, it
could be applied to probably any fastener, including hex head bolts with sockets. Going to add a roll to the aluminum foil I keep in the shop. Jon |
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On Feb 11, 4:24*pm, Brian Lawson wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 19:28:57 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote: In article , "Bob La Londe" wrote: Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. *I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. *Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. *I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. *I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish *had thought of it. Bob, that's definitely a keeper. THANK YOU for posting the tip. I can think of half a dozen situations, just in the last six months, where I could have used that. Hey Bob, Good one !! I don't usually have any Saran Wrap or other handy cling-paper at the job-site or in the shop, but I always have black electricians tape. Works exactly the same method you describe, and on a box-end wrench to hold a nut. Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. ps....wuzzat about a boat????- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Masking tape, freezer tape and regular scotch tape all work. Some are easier than others to remove after the screw is started. Just depends on what you have on hand. And you can wrap a nut in newspaper and use that to hold it in a socket while running it on a stud or bolt in a hole. That's if you don't have any proper-sized rare-earth magnets to do the same. Stan |
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Bob La Londe wrote:
Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. NOW you tell me! -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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Artemus wrote:
Waaay back when I was a TV repair tech in mid last century we used to dig a small piece of the waxy stuff off the flyback xformer and used it to stick the screw to the driver. It worked great but I haven't seen that waxy stuff in decades. Art What about the "dipey" stuff used to protect a re-sharpened mill cutter? might it work? ...lew... |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Much better and more sanitary than the boogers I've been using for decades. |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 23:01:44 -0500, "Tom Gardner" hd@hd wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Much better and more sanitary than the boogers I've been using for decades. Damn, I was afraid to volunteer my solution. karl |
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On 2011-02-12, Lewis Hartswick wrote:
Artemus wrote: Waaay back when I was a TV repair tech in mid last century we used to dig a small piece of the waxy stuff off the flyback xformer and used it to stick the screw to the driver. It worked great but I haven't seen that waxy stuff in decades. Art What about the "dipey" stuff used to protect a re-sharpened mill cutter? might it work? Or -- just do what I do -- save the wax from Gouda cheese, and when you get enough, melt it and pour into some disposable container for future use -- for tool dipping and whatever. Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Tom Gardner wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Much better and more sanitary than the boogers I've been using for decades. Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2011-02-12, Lewis wrote: Artemus wrote: Waaay back when I was a TV repair tech in mid last century we used to dig a small piece of the waxy stuff off the flyback xformer and used it to stick the screw to the driver. It worked great but I haven't seen that waxy stuff in decades. Art What about the "dipey" stuff used to protect a re-sharpened mill cutter? might it work? Or -- just do what I do -- save the wax from Gouda cheese, and when you get enough, melt it and pour into some disposable container for future use -- for tool dipping and whatever. Enjoy, DoN. Drill a hole in the back end of the screwdriver and fill it with the wax. Not my idea but I remember it from an old Popular Science/Mechanics magazine many years ago. John |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Tom Gardner wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Much better and more sanitary than the boogers I've been using for decades. Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) Can you fart at will? (maybe you're the wrong guy to ask) |
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On 13 Feb 2011 02:56:49 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote: On 2011-02-12, Lewis Hartswick wrote: Artemus wrote: Waaay back when I was a TV repair tech in mid last century we used to dig a small piece of the waxy stuff off the flyback xformer and used it to stick the screw to the driver. It worked great but I haven't seen that waxy stuff in decades. Art What about the "dipey" stuff used to protect a re-sharpened mill cutter? might it work? Or -- just do what I do -- save the wax from Gouda cheese, and when you get enough, melt it and pour into some disposable container for future use -- for tool dipping and whatever. Enjoy, DoN. I wondered why I saved that. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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Tom Gardner wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Tom Gardner wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Much better and more sanitary than the boogers I've been using for decades. Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) Can you fart at will? (maybe you're the wrong guy to ask) With the medication I'm on? NO. -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Tom Gardner wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Tom Gardner wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Much better and more sanitary than the boogers I've been using for decades. Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) Can you fart at will? (maybe you're the wrong guy to ask) With the medication I'm on? NO. -- Unless of course you're in Church! |
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Tom Gardner wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: Bob La Londewrote: Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Much better and more sanitary than the boogers I've been using for decades. Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) Can you fart at will? (maybe you're the wrong guy to ask) With the medication I'm on? NO. Unless of course you're in Church! Not even then. -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message m... Tom Gardner wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: Bob La Londewrote: Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Much better and more sanitary than the boogers I've been using for decades. Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) Can you fart at will? (maybe you're the wrong guy to ask) With the medication I'm on? NO. Unless of course you're in Church! Not even then. How about snoring in Church? Last Christmas a lady in a wheelchair in the handicap section with her head back and mouth open was about to receive communion from a young Eucharistic minister and just as he was about to place the Host on her tongue she let out a good snore. The look on his face was priceless and the three rows behind couldn't contain their laughter. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Tom Gardner wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: Much better and more sanitary than the boogers I've been using for decades. Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) Can you fart at will? (maybe you're the wrong guy to ask) With the medication I'm on? NO. Unless of course you're in Church! Not even then. Does this mean that you never know when you're going to fart, or that you simply have no control and fart spontaneously? I sometimes fart spontaneously just as I'm climbing out of bed. I think it has something to do with fiber. Thanks, Rich |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:29:10 -0500, "Tom Gardner" hd@hd wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) Can you fart at will? (maybe you're the wrong guy to ask) With the medication I'm on? NO. Unless of course you're in Church! Most folks wouldn't think that of someone taking SUPER SPHINCTER SEAL(tm) EPOXY MIX -- Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911. |
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Tom Gardner wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message m... Tom Gardner wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Tom Gardner wrote: Bob La Londewrote: Sometimes you have to put in a screw in a place that you just can't get your hand in there and if you drop the screw you are totally hosed. I was repairing a broken wire in my boat yesterday and ran into one of those. Of course it's a stainless steel screw so a mag tip wouldn't work. I couldn't find any of the screw holder screwdrivers I used to have, and it was late enough I wasn't confident in finding one at any stores that would still be open. I considered making one, but thought maybe somebody else would have a better solution. I did a search for DIY screw holding screwdriver or something like that and found a good tip that worked perfectly. Poke the screw through some cling wrap. Place the screw on the screw driver. Wrap the cling wrap around the screw driver to hold the screw firmly against the tip. Start the screw a couple threads. Pull back the cling wrap and screwdriver to tear the screw through. Remove the cling wrap. Tighten the screw the rest of the way. Its simple, elegant, works very well, and I wish had thought of it. Much better and more sanitary than the boogers I've been using for decades. Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) Can you fart at will? (maybe you're the wrong guy to ask) With the medication I'm on? NO. Unless of course you're in Church! Not even then. How about snoring in Church? Last Christmas a lady in a wheelchair in the handicap section with her head back and mouth open was about to receive communion from a young Eucharistic minister and just as he was about to place the Host on her tongue she let out a good snore. The look on his face was priceless and the three rows behind couldn't contain their laughter. If I'm that tired I either stay home, or sit in the lobby. -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:29:10 -0500, "Tom Gardner" hd@hd wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) Can you fart at will? (maybe you're the wrong guy to ask) With the medication I'm on? NO. Unless of course you're in Church! Most folks wouldn't think that of someone taking SUPER SPHINCTER SEAL(tm) EPOXY MIX That would be fatal, with the side effects of the Diabetes medicine. 'My cause mild diarrhea' my sore ass! -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:29:10 -0500, "Tom Gardner" hd@hd wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message Well, you've never had to worry about running out have you? ;-) Can you fart at will? (maybe you're the wrong guy to ask) With the medication I'm on? NO. Unless of course you're in Church! Most folks wouldn't think that of someone taking SUPER SPHINCTER SEAL(tm) EPOXY MIX That would be fatal, with the side effects of the Diabetes medicine. 'My cause mild diarrhea' my sore ass! Here ya go: http://www.drugstore.com/qxp215947/d...ite_medium.htm Hope This Helps! Rich |
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