Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to. *

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?


--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!

On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

"Bill Noble" wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and that
a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to appease
YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for himself if
he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting to impugn his
honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you have forgotten that
at this time we are a country governed by civilians. If you want a country
where salutes are mandatory, there are countries where the military is in
charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton when it comes to military protocol. And
Bill Clinton reminded me of Rufus T. Firefly. (as portrayed by Groucho
Marx)

I have never ever been in the military, and I would salute the Sergeant just
out of respect for his office and his deeds.

Mr. Obama is woefully lacking in many areas.

Steve

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Bill Noble" wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and that
a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to appease
YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for himself
if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting to impugn
his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you have forgotten
that at this time we are a country governed by civilians. If you want a
country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries where the
military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton when it comes to military protocol. And
Bill Clinton reminded me of Rufus T. Firefly. (as portrayed by Groucho
Marx)

I have never ever been in the military, and I would salute the Sergeant
just out of respect for his office and his deeds.

Mr. Obama is woefully lacking in many areas.

Steve


IMHO, he didn't salute the hero because he had no idea of the custom. Shame
on his handlers for not telling him his options. I doubt the Sergeant cared
either way and probably would have rather been elsewhere.

It's not that Obama is lacking, he has performed a great service to this
country by showing that the reality of the left's ideas just don't work.
Now, let's see if the right will shoot themselves in the foot or do the
people's will.

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:57:11 -0800, Bill Noble
wrote:

On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

You were obviously never in the military. The hand salute is an
obligatory gesture when an enlisted man meets an officer, but it is
intended as a gesture of respect rather than obsequience. Military
courtesy requires the officer return the salute smartly and correctly.

Perhaps the President, while being CIC but having never served
himself, may have felt that he did not deserve or was not qualified
to render the hand salute to a heroic soldier.

Or perhaps, in his role as Commander In Chief, he regards himself as
above military courtesy to the soldiers under his command.

He does seem to know how to bow to foreign dignitaries.

On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 00:06:40 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:57:11 -0800, Bill Noble
wrote:

On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

You were obviously never in the military. The hand salute is an
obligatory gesture when an enlisted man meets an officer, but it is
intended as a gesture of respect rather than obsequience. Military
courtesy requires the officer return the salute smartly and correctly.

Perhaps the President, while being CIC but having never served
himself, may have felt that he did not deserve or was not qualified
to render the hand salute to a heroic soldier.

Or perhaps, in his role as Commander In Chief, he regards himself as
above military courtesy to the soldiers under his command.

Can NONE of his handlers get the idea across to him that it's
undignified and downright rude NOT to do so? How many times does it
take?


He does seem to know how to bow to foreign dignitaries.

Sure, Arab kings he bows to (and kisses hands?). He tries to shake the
Queen of England's hand. You can't tell me that none of his
hangers-on told him about courtesy and decorum. The man thinks himself
a God, that he needs no etiquette whatsoever. It's disgusting to me to
see our President act like this.

--
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball!

Bill Noble wrote:

On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?



it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.


Up yours, you spamming asshole.


--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!

On Dec 2, 7:16*am, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 00:06:40 -0600, Don Foreman





wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:57:11 -0800, Bill Noble
wrote:

On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:

Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier *receiving the
country's highest decoration. *Some CIC!

* * Coward In Charge?

it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. *The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. *I honor his actions. *You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. *Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians..
*If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

You were obviously never in the military. *The hand salute is an
obligatory gesture when an enlisted man meets an officer, but it is
intended as a gesture of respect rather than obsequience. Military
courtesy requires the officer return the salute smartly and correctly.
Perhaps the President, while being CIC but having never served
himself, *may have felt that he did not deserve or was not qualified
to render the hand salute to a heroic soldier. *

Or perhaps, in his role as Commander In Chief, he regards himself as
above military courtesy to the soldiers under his command.

Can NONE of his handlers get the idea across to him that it's
undignified and downright rude NOT to do so? *How many times does it
take?

He does seem to know how to bow to foreign dignitaries.

Sure, Arab kings he bows to (and kisses hands?). He tries to shake the
Queen of England's hand. *You can't tell me that none of his
hangers-on told him about courtesy and decorum. The man thinks himself
a God, that he needs no etiquette whatsoever. It's disgusting to me to
see our President act like this.

--
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So Larry, were you projectile vomiting when you saw this?

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/526...6BF04B24B4128C

On Dec 2, 12:06*am, Don Foreman wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:57:11 -0800, Bill Noble





wrote:
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:

Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier *receiving the
country's highest decoration. *Some CIC!

* * Coward In Charge?

it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. *The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. *I honor his actions. *You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. *Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
*If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

You were obviously never in the military. *The hand salute is an
obligatory gesture when an enlisted man meets an officer, but it is
intended as a gesture of respect rather than obsequience. Military
courtesy requires the officer return the salute smartly and correctly.

Perhaps the President, while being CIC but having never served
himself, *may have felt that he did not deserve or was not qualified
to render the hand salute to a heroic soldier. *

Or perhaps, in his role as Commander In Chief, he regards himself as
above military courtesy to the soldiers under his command.

He does seem to know how to bow to foreign dignitaries.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

As did Bush and Cheney...when they weren't kissing butt.

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/526...6BF04B24B4128C

On Dec 2, 9:18*am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Bill Noble wrote:

On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:

Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier *receiving the
country's highest decoration. *Some CIC!

* * Coward In Charge?

it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. *The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. *I honor his actions. *You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. *Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians..
* If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

* *Up yours, you spamming asshole.

--
For the last time: *I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He may be a spamming asshole but he is also right.

On Dec 2, 10:18*am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
Bill Noble wrote:

* *Up yours, you spamming asshole.


Geeze, Michael - "Buddy can fill the entire internet with anti-Obama
posts, true or false, and that's perfectly OK with you. But Bill
writes a paragraph or two with which you disagree and he's a "spamming
asshole."

That's certainly an interesting take on freedom of speech.

Just sayin'

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

So Larry, were you projectile vomiting when you saw this?

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/526...6BF04B24B4128C

They're not holding hands - the arab guy is just steadying dubya for when he
trips over that step. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

rangerssuck wrote:
On Dec 2, 10:18*am, "Michael A. Terrell"

Up yours, you spamming asshole.


Geeze, Michael - "Buddy can fill the entire internet with anti-Obama
posts, true or false, and that's perfectly OK with you. But Bill
writes a paragraph or two with which you disagree and he's a "spamming
asshole."

That's certainly an interesting take on freedom of speech.

Just sayin'

You have to consider the source. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

Rich Grise wrote:

rangerssuck wrote:
On Dec 2, 10:18 am, "Michael A. Terrell"

Up yours, you spamming asshole.


Geeze, Michael - "Buddy can fill the entire internet with anti-Obama
posts, true or false, and that's perfectly OK with you. But Bill
writes a paragraph or two with which you disagree and he's a "spamming
asshole."

That's certainly an interesting take on freedom of speech.

Just sayin'

You have to consider the source. ;-)


Both of you can say whatever you want, but 99% of the time when bill
posts on any newsgroup it is to sell something. That is Spam.


--
For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off
scientist!!!

On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:59:31 -0800, Rich Grise
wrote:

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

So Larry, were you projectile vomiting when you saw this?

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/526...6BF04B24B4128C

They're not holding hands - the arab guy is just steadying dubya for when he
trips over that step. ;-)

When, not if.

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.

--
"Human nature itself is evermore an advocate for liberty.
There is also in human nature a resentment of injury, and
indignation against wrong. A love of truth and a veneration
of virtue. These amiable passions, are the latent spark. If
the people are capable of understanding, seeing and feeling
the differences between true and false, right and wrong,
virtue and vice, to what better principle can the friends of
mankind apply than to the sense of this difference?"
--John Adams

"Libtardopia Lost" wrote in message
news

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Bill Noble" wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton when it comes to military protocol. And
Bill Clinton reminded me of Rufus T. Firefly. (as portrayed by Groucho
Marx)

I have never ever been in the military, and I would salute the Sergeant
just out of respect for his office and his deeds.

Mr. Obama is woefully lacking in many areas.

Steve


IMHO, he didn't salute the hero because he had no idea of the custom.
Shame on his handlers for not telling him his options. I doubt the
Sergeant cared either way and probably would have rather been elsewhere.

It's not that Obama is lacking, he has performed a great service to this
country by showing that the reality of the left's ideas just don't work.
Now, let's see if the right will shoot themselves in the foot or do the
people's will.


His handlers are all a bunch of twittering community organizers.

Don Foreman wrote:

it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

You were obviously never in the military. The hand salute is an
obligatory gesture when an enlisted man meets an officer, but it is
intended as a gesture of respect rather than obsequience. Military
courtesy requires the officer return the salute smartly and correctly.

Perhaps the President, while being CIC but having never served
himself, may have felt that he did not deserve or was not qualified
to render the hand salute to a heroic soldier.

Or perhaps, in his role as Commander In Chief, he regards himself as
above military courtesy to the soldiers under his command.

He does seem to know how to bow to foreign dignitaries.

I've been trying to avoid this stuff but our current President is showing his lack of
immersion in our American culture.

The Medal of Honor is a above and beyond award where some one put them self at incredible
risk to in order to prevail. Quite often this award is delivered posthumosly.

To sum it up, saluting the medal is paying respect to those that went further than
expected and often gave up their last measure of devotion serving our country. Pretty
simple to understand for those that served.

Wes

Larry Jaques wrote:

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.

Did he get out of the halfway house? At least my filters are still kill filing him.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

Rich Grise wrote:

rangerssuck wrote:
On Dec 2, 10:18 am, "Michael A. Terrell"

Up yours, you spamming asshole.


Geeze, Michael - "Buddy can fill the entire internet with anti-Obama
posts, true or false, and that's perfectly OK with you. But Bill
writes a paragraph or two with which you disagree and he's a "spamming
asshole."

That's certainly an interesting take on freedom of speech.

Just sayin'

You have to consider the source. ;-)


Both of you can say whatever you want, but 99% of the time when bill
posts on any newsgroup it is to sell something. That is Spam.


That's quite an exaggeration, I've hardly filled the entire internet with
anything. I made a promise long ago to support Obammy as much as Curly and
his gang supported Bush. I'm afraid that I haven't quite lived up to my
promise, I'll need to ramp up the support some more, especially considering
that Obammy will only serve have the time that Bush did.

"Wes" wrote in message
...
Larry Jaques wrote:

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.

Did he get out of the halfway house? At least my filters are still kill
filing him.


They released him to his mommies (both of them) custody for supervision for
the Holidays.

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:59:31 -0800, Rich Grise
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

So Larry, were you projectile vomiting when you saw this?

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/526...6BF04B24B4128C

They're not holding hands - the arab guy is just steadying dubya for when
he trips over that step. ;-)

When, not if.

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.

Remember Gerry Ford? That was when they installed the swimming pool at the
white house, because he couldn't hurt himself falling on water. ;-)

"Human nature itself is evermore an advocate for liberty.
There is also in human nature a resentment of injury, and
indignation against wrong. A love of truth and a veneration
of virtue. These amiable passions, are the latent spark. If
the people are capable of understanding, seeing and feeling
the differences between true and false, right and wrong,
virtue and vice, to what better principle can the friends of
mankind apply than to the sense of this difference?"
--John Adams

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks,
Rich

Wes wrote:

To sum it up, saluting the medal is paying respect to those that went
further than
expected and often gave up their last measure of devotion serving our
country. Pretty simple to understand for those that served.

I was at the street corner just today, waiting for the light to change. Some
Highway Patrol guy drove by, eyeing me suspiciously (long hair, scraggly
beard, missing teeth, and dressed like a street bum) I saluted him.

He returned the salute. It felt good. :-)

A salute is just a sign of respect - gentlemen used to tip their hats to
other gentlemen and to ladies; the hand salute was invented when we were
fighting the Redcoats; they had these pristine white hats, but when you load
your blunderbuss with black powder, it gets all over your hands, and soils
the hat. (the military would tip their hat to officers), so they came up
with the salute as a substitute for hat-tipping just to keep the hats
clean.

At least, that's the story I heard. :-)

Once, in South Korea, I was walking back from some detail, and there were
a bunch of ROK (Republic of Korea) soldiers walking the other way, and they
kept insisting on saluting ME! I was a buck sergeant at the time (E-4, three
stripes, USAF). It got tiresome returning their salutes and trying to
explain to them that it wasn't necessary, but I didn't know how to
say, "Please don't do that, it makes me uncomfortable" in Korean. :-)

I did, however, learn "Don't Shoot! I know secrets!" for just in case the
Reds came over the hill. ;-P

Cheers!
Rich

On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:51:25 -0800, Rich Grise
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:59:31 -0800, Rich Grise
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

So Larry, were you projectile vomiting when you saw this?

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/526...6BF04B24B4128C

They're not holding hands - the arab guy is just steadying dubya for when
he trips over that step. ;-)

When, not if.

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.

Remember Gerry Ford? That was when they installed the swimming pool at the
white house, because he couldn't hurt himself falling on water. ;-)

C'mon, guys. One little slip and y'all never gave him another break.


"Human nature itself is evermore an advocate for liberty.
There is also in human nature a resentment of injury, and
indignation against wrong. A love of truth and a veneration
of virtue. These amiable passions, are the latent spark. If
the people are capable of understanding, seeing and feeling
the differences between true and false, right and wrong,
virtue and vice, to what better principle can the friends of
mankind apply than to the sense of this difference?"
--John Adams

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!

Who was it that considered recent CONgresscritters to be in the same
league as our forefathers?...

--
"Human nature itself is evermore an advocate for liberty.
There is also in human nature a resentment of injury, and
indignation against wrong. A love of truth and a veneration
of virtue. These amiable passions, are the latent spark. If
the people are capable of understanding, seeing and feeling
the differences between true and false, right and wrong,
virtue and vice, to what better principle can the friends of
mankind apply than to the sense of this difference?"
--John Adams

On Dec 2, 6:01*pm, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:59:31 -0800, Rich Grise

wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:

So Larry, were you projectile vomiting when you saw this?

http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/526...Asset&k=2&d=77...

They're not holding hands - the arab guy is just steadying dubya for when he
trips over that step. ;-)

When, not if. *

P.S: Will somebody clue in Too-Much-Toluene that he's in my twit
filters already. I think this is his third or fourth email addy to go
in there, and it was instituted as soon as I saw his second post.
Life's too short to suffer fools.

--
"Human nature itself is evermore an advocate for liberty.
There is also in human nature a resentment of injury, and
indignation against wrong. A love of truth and a veneration
of virtue. These amiable passions, are the latent spark. If
the people are capable of understanding, seeing and feeling
the differences between true and false, right and wrong,
virtue and vice, to what better principle can the friends of
mankind apply than to the sense of this difference?"
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *--John Adams

LOL... I wonder if Larry is done puking yet?

I doubt it...hypocrites who use a MOH situation to promote their
conservative flith seldom are. ;)

TMT

On 12/1/2010 10:01 PM, Libtardopia Lost wrote:
"Steve wrote in message
...

"Bill wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and that
a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to appease
YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for himself
if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting to impugn
his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you have forgotten
that at this time we are a country governed by civilians. If you want a
country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries where the
military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton when it comes to military protocol. And
Bill Clinton reminded me of Rufus T. Firefly. (as portrayed by Groucho
Marx)

I have never ever been in the military, and I would salute the Sergeant
just out of respect for his office and his deeds.

Mr. Obama is woefully lacking in many areas.

Steve


IMHO, he didn't salute the hero because he had no idea of the custom. Shame
on his handlers for not telling him his options. I doubt the Sergeant cared
either way and probably would have rather been elsewhere.

It's not that Obama is lacking, he has performed a great service to this
country by showing that the reality of the left's ideas just don't work.
Now, let's see if the right will shoot themselves in the foot or do the
people's will.




Did you somehow miss it when the right was last in charge of things? It
was less than two years ago. The right ran things for most of the first
decade of the 21st century. In case you don't know, they just about
ruined us. But you think the same people will do a good job if you give
them another chance? You must have a lot of faith. I think they'll do
even worse. Look at their first move, insist on cutting the taxes for
the richest 2% and at the same time cut off unemployment benefits at
Christmas for people with no money and no jobs. Yeah, that's going to
help a lot.

Hawke

On 12/1/2010 10:06 PM, Don Foreman wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:57:11 -0800, Bill Noble
wrote:

On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

You were obviously never in the military. The hand salute is an
obligatory gesture when an enlisted man meets an officer, but it is
intended as a gesture of respect rather than obsequience. Military
courtesy requires the officer return the salute smartly and correctly.

Perhaps the President, while being CIC but having never served
himself, may have felt that he did not deserve or was not qualified
to render the hand salute to a heroic soldier.

Or perhaps, in his role as Commander In Chief, he regards himself as
above military courtesy to the soldiers under his command.

He does seem to know how to bow to foreign dignitaries.


You clearly don't give him the respect the office deserves by going
along with whatever way he chose to act as long as it was not way off
base. Not choosing to salute is not bad behavior by any means. Your
criticism shows where you are coming from. We call it anti American.

Hawke

On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 22:18:51 -0800, Hawke
wrote:

On 12/1/2010 10:06 PM, Don Foreman wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:57:11 -0800, Bill Noble
wrote:

On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

You were obviously never in the military. The hand salute is an
obligatory gesture when an enlisted man meets an officer, but it is
intended as a gesture of respect rather than obsequience. Military
courtesy requires the officer return the salute smartly and correctly.

Perhaps the President, while being CIC but having never served
himself, may have felt that he did not deserve or was not qualified
to render the hand salute to a heroic soldier.

Or perhaps, in his role as Commander In Chief, he regards himself as
above military courtesy to the soldiers under his command.

He does seem to know how to bow to foreign dignitaries.


You clearly don't give him the respect the office deserves by going
along with whatever way he chose to act as long as it was not way off
base. Not choosing to salute is not bad behavior by any means. Your
criticism shows where you are coming from. We call it anti American.

Hawke

You regard criticism of an elected official as anti-American while
claiming to be educated in political science?

The president's conduct clearly shows that he doesn't respect the
office but regards it as a posession and position of power won by
election and public mandate.

The office does indeed deserve respect, and the conduct of the person
in that office should exhibit such respect. The way he chose to
behave re SSG Guiunta is way off base for the CIC of our armed forces.

Noting his gaffes in no way disrespects the office. It does note the
behavior of the man in that office regardless of party. We do that
in a civil society. We didn't accept the egregiously disrespectful
transgressions of Clinton or Nixon. We should not pretend that the
emperor is fully clothed when he isn't.

A president and CIC choosing not to salute a soldier in his command,
medal winner or not, displays arrogant disrespect if not contempt.

This isn't about a vague "hope and change" political slogan or party
politics, it's about the arrogant, oafish and inappropriate behavior
in this instance of the man who is currently our elected civilian CIC
of our men and women in uniform, who deploys them into mortal combat
as CIC.

The buck stops on the desk in the oval office.

Don Foreman wrote:

Noting his gaffes in no way disrespects the office. It does note the
behavior of the man in that office regardless of party. We do that
in a civil society. We didn't accept the egregiously disrespectful
transgressions of Clinton or Nixon. We should not pretend that the
emperor is fully clothed when he isn't.

http://mysite.verizon.net/richgrise/...rorglasses.gif
:-

Cheers!
Rich

On Dec 3, 12:15*am, Hawke wrote:
On 12/1/2010 10:01 PM, Libtardopia Lost wrote:





"Steve *wrote in message
...

"Bill *wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:

Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier *receiving the
country's highest decoration. *Some CIC!

* * *Coward In Charge?

it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and that
a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to appease
YOUR misplaced sense of honor. *The good sergeant can speak for himself
if he feels offended. *I honor his actions. *You are attempting to impugn
his honor and this country with trivialities. *Perhaps you have forgotten
that at this time we are a country governed by civilians. If you want a
country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries where the
military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton when it comes to military protocol. *And
Bill Clinton reminded me of *Rufus T. Firefly. *(as portrayed by Groucho
Marx)

I have never ever been in the military, and I would salute the Sergeant
just out of respect for his office and his deeds.

Mr. Obama is woefully lacking in many areas.

Steve

IMHO, he didn't salute the hero because he had no idea of the custom. *Shame
on his handlers for not telling him his options. *I doubt the Sergeant cared
either way and probably would have rather been elsewhere.

It's not that Obama is lacking, he has performed a great service to this
country by showing that the reality of the left's ideas just don't work..
Now, let's see if the right will shoot themselves in the foot or do the
people's will.

Did you somehow miss it when the right was last in charge of things? It
was less than two years ago. The right ran things for most of the first
decade of the 21st century. In case you don't know, they just about
ruined us. But you think the same people will do a good job if you give
them another chance? You must have a lot of faith. I think they'll do
even worse. Look at their first move, insist on cutting the taxes for
the richest 2% and at the same time cut off unemployment benefits at
Christmas for people with no money and no jobs. Yeah, that's going to
help a lot.

Hawke- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You forgot to mention how they tried to starve small
children...conservatives are a real class act.

I suspect there is a special level of Hell waiting for them...

TMT

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
...
On Dec 3, 12:15 am, Hawke wrote:
On 12/1/2010 10:01 PM, Libtardopia Lost wrote:





"Steve wrote in message
...

"Bill wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:

Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!

Coward In Charge?

it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that
a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease
YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for himself
if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting to
impugn
his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you have
forgotten
that at this time we are a country governed by civilians. If you want
a
country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries where the
military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton when it comes to military protocol.
And
Bill Clinton reminded me of Rufus T. Firefly. (as portrayed by Groucho
Marx)

I have never ever been in the military, and I would salute the Sergeant
just out of respect for his office and his deeds.

Mr. Obama is woefully lacking in many areas.

Steve

IMHO, he didn't salute the hero because he had no idea of the custom.
Shame
on his handlers for not telling him his options. I doubt the Sergeant
cared
either way and probably would have rather been elsewhere.

It's not that Obama is lacking, he has performed a great service to this
country by showing that the reality of the left's ideas just don't work.
Now, let's see if the right will shoot themselves in the foot or do the
people's will.

Did you somehow miss it when the right was last in charge of things? It
was less than two years ago. The right ran things for most of the first
decade of the 21st century. In case you don't know, they just about
ruined us. But you think the same people will do a good job if you give
them another chance? You must have a lot of faith. I think they'll do
even worse. Look at their first move, insist on cutting the taxes for
the richest 2% and at the same time cut off unemployment benefits at
Christmas for people with no money and no jobs. Yeah, that's going to
help a lot.

Hawke- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You forgot to mention how they tried to starve small
children...conservatives are a real class act.

I suspect there is a special level of Hell waiting for them...

TMT

I'm sure that even with all the room in Hell being used by liberals the
Devil can add a wing. I sure your place is reserved.

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 10:01 PM, Libtardopia Lost wrote:
"Steve wrote in message
...

"Bill wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that
a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to appease
YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for himself
if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting to
impugn
his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you have
forgotten
that at this time we are a country governed by civilians. If you want a
country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries where the
military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton when it comes to military protocol.
And
Bill Clinton reminded me of Rufus T. Firefly. (as portrayed by Groucho
Marx)

I have never ever been in the military, and I would salute the Sergeant
just out of respect for his office and his deeds.

Mr. Obama is woefully lacking in many areas.

Steve


IMHO, he didn't salute the hero because he had no idea of the custom.
Shame
on his handlers for not telling him his options. I doubt the Sergeant
cared
either way and probably would have rather been elsewhere.

It's not that Obama is lacking, he has performed a great service to this
country by showing that the reality of the left's ideas just don't work.
Now, let's see if the right will shoot themselves in the foot or do the
people's will.




Did you somehow miss it when the right was last in charge of things? It
was less than two years ago. The right ran things for most of the first
decade of the 21st century. In case you don't know, they just about ruined
us. But you think the same people will do a good job if you give them
another chance? You must have a lot of faith. I think they'll do even
worse. Look at their first move, insist on cutting the taxes for the
richest 2% and at the same time cut off unemployment benefits at Christmas
for people with no money and no jobs. Yeah, that's going to help a lot.

Hawke

Who creates jobs and why?

Larry Jaques wrote:
Can NONE of his handlers get the idea across to him that it's
undignified and downright rude NOT to do so? How many times does it
take?


I suspect they are every bit as ignorant of these things as he is.


He does seem to know how to bow to foreign dignitaries.

Sure, Arab kings he bows to (and kisses hands?). He tries to shake the
Queen of England's hand. You can't tell me that none of his
hangers-on told him about courtesy and decorum. The man thinks himself
a God, that he needs no etiquette whatsoever. It's disgusting to me to
see our President act like this.


The rest of the "free" world seems to think the same. :-)
...lew...

Hawke wrote:
You clearly don't give him the respect the office deserves by going
along with whatever way he chose to act as long as it was not way off
base.

BUT it WAS "way off base".

Not choosing to salute is not bad behavior by any means.

It certainly is VERY IMPOLITE.

Hawke

Don Foreman wrote:

The buck stops on the desk in the oval office.

I wonder where that sign is that was on ol Harrys desk?
...lew...

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
...
On Dec 3, 12:15 am, Hawke wrote:
On 12/1/2010 10:01 PM, Libtardopia Lost wrote:





"Steve wrote in message
...

"Bill wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:

Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving
the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!

Coward In Charge?

it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that
a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease
YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself
if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting to
impugn
his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you have
forgotten
that at this time we are a country governed by civilians. If you want
a
country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries where the
military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton when it comes to military protocol.
And
Bill Clinton reminded me of Rufus T. Firefly. (as portrayed by Groucho
Marx)

I have never ever been in the military, and I would salute the
Sergeant
just out of respect for his office and his deeds.

Mr. Obama is woefully lacking in many areas.

Steve

IMHO, he didn't salute the hero because he had no idea of the custom.
Shame
on his handlers for not telling him his options. I doubt the Sergeant
cared
either way and probably would have rather been elsewhere.

It's not that Obama is lacking, he has performed a great service to
this
country by showing that the reality of the left's ideas just don't
work.
Now, let's see if the right will shoot themselves in the foot or do the
people's will.

Did you somehow miss it when the right was last in charge of things? It
was less than two years ago. The right ran things for most of the first
decade of the 21st century. In case you don't know, they just about
ruined us. But you think the same people will do a good job if you give
them another chance? You must have a lot of faith. I think they'll do
even worse. Look at their first move, insist on cutting the taxes for
the richest 2% and at the same time cut off unemployment benefits at
Christmas for people with no money and no jobs. Yeah, that's going to
help a lot.

Hawke- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You forgot to mention how they tried to starve small
children...conservatives are a real class act.

I suspect there is a special level of Hell waiting for them...

TMT

There were never people hungry in the streets until Obama got in charge. In
fact I can still hear Laura Bush in her commercials begging the libtards to
go to the food pantries to volunteer and sort food. "I guess they never
never made it to the food pantries", said the little red hen. Yes, she did.

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 22:18:51 -0800, Hawke
wrote:

On 12/1/2010 10:06 PM, Don Foreman wrote:
On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:57:11 -0800, Bill Noble
wrote:

On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by
civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are
countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

You were obviously never in the military. The hand salute is an
obligatory gesture when an enlisted man meets an officer, but it is
intended as a gesture of respect rather than obsequience. Military
courtesy requires the officer return the salute smartly and correctly.

Perhaps the President, while being CIC but having never served
himself, may have felt that he did not deserve or was not qualified
to render the hand salute to a heroic soldier.

Or perhaps, in his role as Commander In Chief, he regards himself as
above military courtesy to the soldiers under his command.

He does seem to know how to bow to foreign dignitaries.


You clearly don't give him the respect the office deserves by going
along with whatever way he chose to act as long as it was not way off
base. Not choosing to salute is not bad behavior by any means. Your
criticism shows where you are coming from. We call it anti American.

Hawke

You regard criticism of an elected official as anti-American while
claiming to be educated in political science?

The president's conduct clearly shows that he doesn't respect the
office but regards it as a posession and position of power won by
election and public mandate.

The office does indeed deserve respect, and the conduct of the person
in that office should exhibit such respect. The way he chose to
behave re SSG Guiunta is way off base for the CIC of our armed forces.

Noting his gaffes in no way disrespects the office. It does note the
behavior of the man in that office regardless of party. We do that
in a civil society. We didn't accept the egregiously disrespectful
transgressions of Clinton or Nixon. We should not pretend that the
emperor is fully clothed when he isn't.

A president and CIC choosing not to salute a soldier in his command,
medal winner or not, displays arrogant disrespect if not contempt.

This isn't about a vague "hope and change" political slogan or party
politics, it's about the arrogant, oafish and inappropriate behavior
in this instance of the man who is currently our elected civilian CIC
of our men and women in uniform, who deploys them into mortal combat
as CIC.

The buck stops on the desk in the oval office.

I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree
with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. And we should stand
up and say 'We are Americans and we have a right to debate, and disagree
with any administration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxmpTMGhU0

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:57:11 -0800, Bill Noble
wrote:

On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

So yet another Far Leftwing Extremist Fringe Kook stands up for the
buffoon living at 1600 Penn. Ave. and kisses his Obamassiahs ass.

So tell me Bill..does it taste good?


--
"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

"Libtardopia Lost" wrote in message
news

"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Bill Noble" wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to
appease YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for
himself if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting
to impugn his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you
have forgotten that at this time we are a country governed by civilians.
If you want a country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries
where the military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton when it comes to military protocol. And
Bill Clinton reminded me of Rufus T. Firefly. (as portrayed by Groucho
Marx)

I have never ever been in the military, and I would salute the Sergeant
just out of respect for his office and his deeds.

Mr. Obama is woefully lacking in many areas.

Steve


IMHO, he didn't salute the hero because he had no idea of the custom.
Shame on his handlers for not telling him his options. I doubt the
Sergeant cared either way and probably would have rather been elsewhere.

It's not that Obama is lacking, he has performed a great service to this
country by showing that the reality of the left's ideas just don't work.
Now, let's see if the right will shoot themselves in the foot or do the
people's will.

I'm not going to say who, but I wish someone would shoot somebody somewhere.

Steve

On 12/3/2010 3:34 AM, Libtardopia Lost wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 10:01 PM, Libtardopia Lost wrote:
"Steve wrote in message
...

"Bill wrote in message
...
On 12/1/2010 3:27 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Don Foreman wrote:


Truth is, the CIC doesn't have to salute anybody if
he doesn't want to.

And apparantly he chooses not to salute even a soldier receiving the
country's highest decoration. Some CIC!


Coward In Charge?




it is astounding that you militaristic bigots feel that receiving the
medal, along with a speech honoring his actions is insufficient, and
that
a civilian must give a gratuitous and unnatural hand gesture to appease
YOUR misplaced sense of honor. The good sergeant can speak for himself
if he feels offended. I honor his actions. You are attempting to
impugn
his honor and this country with trivialities. Perhaps you have
forgotten
that at this time we are a country governed by civilians. If you want a
country where salutes are mandatory, there are countries where the
military is in charge - take your idiocy there and begone.

Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton when it comes to military protocol.
And
Bill Clinton reminded me of Rufus T. Firefly. (as portrayed by Groucho
Marx)

I have never ever been in the military, and I would salute the Sergeant
just out of respect for his office and his deeds.

Mr. Obama is woefully lacking in many areas.

Steve


IMHO, he didn't salute the hero because he had no idea of the custom.
Shame
on his handlers for not telling him his options. I doubt the Sergeant
cared
either way and probably would have rather been elsewhere.

It's not that Obama is lacking, he has performed a great service to this
country by showing that the reality of the left's ideas just don't work.
Now, let's see if the right will shoot themselves in the foot or do the
people's will.




Did you somehow miss it when the right was last in charge of things? It
was less than two years ago. The right ran things for most of the first
decade of the 21st century. In case you don't know, they just about ruined
us. But you think the same people will do a good job if you give them
another chance? You must have a lot of faith. I think they'll do even
worse. Look at their first move, insist on cutting the taxes for the
richest 2% and at the same time cut off unemployment benefits at Christmas
for people with no money and no jobs. Yeah, that's going to help a lot.

Hawke

Who creates jobs and why?

One thing is for sure. It's not the richest 2% that the republicans are
fighting like demons to get tax cuts for. They aren't out starting new
businesses and hiring people. They already own all the businesses and
assets so they have no need to take the risk of new start ups. It's a
myth that jobs are created by those who are wealthy. If that were true
then what happened since 2001? There has already been the Bush tax cuts
that mainly benefited the wealthy. Did we get a lot of jobs created
since then? Hell no. Jobs have been in short supply for a decade. So
it's clear that cutting taxes doesn't get anyone to hire people. What
cutting taxes for the rich does is it allows the already rich to spend a
lot more money on personal consumption. The 70 billion a year that the
rich would get to keep if they get to keep the tax cut would be used on
jewelry, furs, cars, and the like, not on hiring people. Just look at
how spending is going this holiday season. The rich are spending at a
record clip but not regular people. They're looking for bargains because
they don't have the money to spend.

Hawke