John wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

john wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

John wrote:

David Lesher wrote:
Rich writes:

Such arrives on big reels, typ up to 9' dia and 40+ wide, with a
3" dia. pivot hole. Weight up to 2500#. We need an unspooler.

Forty FEET wide?

Sorry; the " unit got morphed in cyberspace.
The reels are about forty inches wide.

Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
rectangular tubing.


It's interesting that I watched the crews build the Road Runner fiber
optic internet backbone along the Central Florida highways around here
for almost a month and never saw one fork lift. The first crew
trenched and buried two colors of plastic conduit. (One for RR, the
other for telephone). Another crew dug holes and installed the
equipment vaults. The next crew pulled in the RR fiber, nd the next
group installed the equipment and terminated the fiber.



I guess they didn't have all the modern technology in Florida.

Learn to use what you have access to or have a big budget to buy or
lease the stuff that is designed especially for the job at hand.


Find the company they hired and tell 'them' how to do their job.

You have their address?


That was over 10 years ago. They have moved on to some other part of
the country, but if it bothers you so much, track them down. You think
you know everything, so how hard can it be for you to get that
information from RR?


I designed and built a machine to lay cable when I had a job to run a
500 ft line to a new equipment building. It took me a day to build the
machine out of scrap lying around and about 5 minutes to lay the cable
and cover it.


Wow! 500 feet? You could have just rented a ditch wich for a little
job like that.

I was considering using a Ditch Witch but in very sandy soil the ditch
will cave in and you get a mess. The machine I designed and built did
several other projects too. I build the machine for installing wire to
my own building.


Then you don't know how to use a ditch witch, or which version to do
the job. The bigger versions will pull the conduit or pipe into the
trench as it works. Watch one put a drain pipe to a septic tank some
time. 12 feet deep and hundreds of feet is no problem for them. OTOH,
if you have the smallest version that was made to put a phone or CATV
wire 12 inches into the ground, it's hopeless.



They built 'thousands' of miles with their method. That
fiber backbone covers most of the US for all the cable TV companies
that offer broadband.

I am sure that more than one company laid the cable and they all did not
use the same exact method.


Cites?


With a six foot ditch if you don't use
shoring OSHA will have a field day with you. The soil type determines
the method of operation. South Florida is loaded with coral and can be
a real problem digging trenches or even setting electric poles.


And Cincinnati requires dynamite to make holes for power & phone
poles.



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John wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

David Lesher wrote:

writes:

Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
rectangular tubing.

Rather hard to change out reels....


No kidding. It would likely take another forklift. That's why the
pros use custom trailers.



You guys have obviously no knowledge of what is called a prong for
forklifts used to move any type of roll or spool with a central hole.

http://www.bremco.com.au/product_inf...products_id=37

With this device it is a one man operation to move cable rolls, no
come-alongs no manual pushing and shoving. The cable can be held on the
prong and unspooled or could be put on a trailer with the prong.

I suggested making a prong for the rough terrain forklift. The spool
could be held over the ditch and cable played off the spool.

John


Moving and safely unspooling with 0% damage are two very different
things. We never had a forklift in the CATV business. Rolls of cable
were rolled down a ramp by hand from the delivery trucks.


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"Michael A. Terrell" writes:




Wow! 500 feet? You could have just rented a ditch wich for a little
job like that. They built 'thousands' of miles with their method. That
fiber backbone covers most of the US for all the cable TV companies that
offer broadband.

What good is a forklift in an open ditch along a busy highway? The
dirt was already soft, and there wasn't much room in the right of way.
they trenched the area they were working, then backed the trailers off
the road just ahead of where they were working and pulled it back to the
previoous vault location including under driveways and side roads. The
crew I talked to said it was down six feet or more, and that the bottom
of the equipment vaults was a little over 12 feet below ground.


This is literally "over the field and through the woods..."

The Prong looks interesting except the load will be WAY out there.
I worry about CG.

I don't see I'll need to straddle the ditch as much as run parallel to it.



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David Lesher wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" ? writes:

? Wow! 500 feet? You could have just rented a ditch wich for a little
?job like that. They built 'thousands' of miles with their method. That
?fiber backbone covers most of the US for all the cable TV companies that
?offer broadband.

? What good is a forklift in an open ditch along a busy highway? The
?dirt was already soft, and there wasn't much room in the right of way.
?they trenched the area they were working, then backed the trailers off
?the road just ahead of where they were working and pulled it back to the
?previoous vault location including under driveways and side roads. The
?crew I talked to said it was down six feet or more, and that the bottom
?of the equipment vaults was a little over 12 feet below ground.

This is literally "over the field and through the woods..."

The Prong looks interesting except the load will be WAY out there.
I worry about CG.

I don't see I'll need to straddle the ditch as much as run parallel to it.


Gee. That's why they use multi axle trailers instead of forklifts.
The total weight is spread over a longer and wider base, with less
weight per square inch on the tires. The forklift weighs a lot more
than a trailer, and has a much smaller base. have you ever seen the
results of someone rolling a forklift? It happened in Leesburg Floridda
a few years ago, at one of the juice plants. There was another forklift
accident at a company in Ocala that made mobile home window components.
That accident closed the plant for good.


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On Nov 1, 2:47*am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
David Lesher wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" ? writes:

? * Wow! 500 feet? *You could have just rented a ditch wich for a little
?job like that. *They built 'thousands' of miles with their method. *That
?fiber backbone covers most of the US for all the cable TV companies that
?offer broadband.

? * What good is a forklift in an open ditch along a busy highway? *The
?dirt was already soft, and there wasn't much room in the right of way.
?they trenched the area they were working, then backed the trailers off
?the road just ahead of where they were working and pulled it back to the
?previoous vault location including under driveways and *side roads. *The
?crew I talked to said it was down six feet or more, and that the bottom
?of the equipment vaults was a little over 12 feet below ground.

This is literally "over the field and through the woods..."

The Prong looks interesting except the load will be WAY out there.
I worry about CG.

I don't see I'll need to straddle the ditch as much as run parallel to it.

* *Gee. *That's why they use multi axle trailers instead of forklifts.
The total weight is spread over a longer and wider base, with less
weight per square inch on the tires. *The forklift weighs a lot more
than a trailer, and has a much smaller base. have you ever seen the
results of someone rolling a forklift? *It happened in Leesburg Floridda
a few years ago, at one of the juice plants. *There was another forklift
accident at a company in Ocala that made mobile home window components.
That accident closed the plant for good.

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Then there's this - not caused by rolling, but a spectacular forklift
****up nonetheless:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ZmOgMlyRE

"Michael A. Terrell" writes:


Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
rectangular tubing.

Rather hard to change out reels....


No kidding. It would likely take another forklift. That's why the
pros use custom trailers.

My scheme is strightforward. Approach reel, straddle. Adjust fork height,
slide in axle & pin. Lift.

Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???

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David Lesher wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" writes:

Get a piece of rectangular tubing to fit over one of the forks. Get a
piece of round pipe to go through the spool and weld it to the
rectangular tubing.

Rather hard to change out reels....

No kidding. It would likely take another forklift. That's why the
pros use custom trailers.

My scheme is strightforward. Approach reel, straddle. Adjust fork height,
slide in axle & pin. Lift.


Do it however you want to. Don't have your relatives complain here
if you kill yorself. I don't want to hear from them that your insurance
refused to pay your damagaes for using a non approved method, either.


Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???


You haven't thought this through, have you? if you want to minimize
the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.


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On Nov 1, 3:05*pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:
David Lesher wrote:


Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???

* *You haven't thought this through, have you? *if you want to minimize
the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.

A little humor-impaired today?

rangerssuck writes:

Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???

=A 0 =A 0You haven't thought this through, have you? =A0if you want to mini=
mize
the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.

A little humor-impaired today?

Indeed.

I don't plan to straddle the ditch with the forklift. For much
of the run, we'll be pulling duct off the reel and through the
woods, and laying it in the trench by hand.

A bigger PITA may be the HDPE pipe; it seems it does not come on
reels but in coils. I'm hoping I can put each on a empty reel of
some ilk...
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David Lesher wrote:
rangerssuck writes:

Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???

=A 0 =A 0You haven't thought this through, have you? =A0if you want to
mini=
mize
the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.

A little humor-impaired today?

Indeed.

I don't plan to straddle the ditch with the forklift. For much
of the run, we'll be pulling duct off the reel and through the
woods, and laying it in the trench by hand.

A bigger PITA may be the HDPE pipe; it seems it does not come on
reels but in coils. I'm hoping I can put each on a empty reel of
some ilk...

OK, a few days ago I got chided for suggesting rolling the spool over
the trench - I didn't give a strong enough winkie-smiley to indicate
that I was joking - I knew about the dragging the pipe problem because
of the different radii.

But a coil? Heh, heh, heh - it sounds like you've got the manpower -
why not just unroll it right in the trench? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:52:43 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

rangerssuck writes:

Should we argue if it unrolls top down, or bottom up???

=A 0 =A 0You haven't thought this through, have you? =A0if you want to mini=
mize
the stress on what is on the reel, you want to unreel from the bottom.
it also lays better and doesn't try to climb out of the ditch.

A little humor-impaired today?

Indeed.

I don't plan to straddle the ditch with the forklift. For much
of the run, we'll be pulling duct off the reel and through the
woods, and laying it in the trench by hand.

A bigger PITA may be the HDPE pipe; it seems it does not come on
reels but in coils. I'm hoping I can put each on a empty reel of
some ilk...
Just stand the coil up,one foot on each side of the pipe and roll it
like a hoop in front of you. this works unless it is three inch pipe
in late October in a cold climate.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

So I need ~12" of rectangular steel tube with a 1.75" gap in
one direction; the other way can be from that up to 5".

This for the unspooler.

There's a Metals to Go place in Glen Burnie, but they handle AL
and stainless, not mundane stuph. Is there any place similar
that does have steel?

Durrett & Shepard in Baltimore is good for structural steel like beams,
channel, and tube. Call and see if they have a drop they can cut for you.
BMG just south of Balt. is good on some things, give them a call too, and
Pennsylvania Steel up in York (they have a truck down here 2-3 days a week).
Those three are where we get most of our steel and stainless, plus Copper
Brass/Thyssen for aluminum. I'll try to check our stock/scrap pile at work
tomorrow to see if we have anything (we are in Laurel, MD).

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"David Lesher" wrote in message
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So I need ~12" of rectangular steel tube with a 1.75" gap in
one direction; the other way can be from that up to 5".

This for the unspooler.

There's a Metals to Go place in Glen Burnie, but they handle AL
and stainless, not mundane stuph. Is there any place similar
that does have steel?

So a while back I asked for input on building an unspooler. I got
both software {ideas} and hardware {steel} donations.

Here's an update. http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun

So the first plan was a clamp for the forklift tines, to hold
the axle. Powering this was a old York forklift. It loves to
stall, thus you need three feet, not two, on any slope, but.....

But the duct suppliers sabotaged me; both the 1.5" gray and
2" orange arrived on reels too large in diameter for the tine
length. We have fork extensions, but they eat into the spacing
such that the reels wouldn't fit in-between. %^&@#$%

So Plan B adapted an orphaned trailer of unknown parentage. It
has a 7" tall/5" wide I-beam, and a ~6" dia tongue. At some
point, it had a 1_7/8" ball receiver pasted on.

We added vertical 2" sq. stock with 3" dia. pipe couplings
holding the axle. We gusseted it with more 2" sq. stock, and
a few added pieces. {Care to guess we found lying around the
shop?}

The height was an issue. Bitten once, we wanted it big enough to
hold the largest reel we might get. But THAT was ~1" too tall
for the York to lift the reel over the vertical and drop it
down.

The first time, with the gray, we backed the trailer, straddling
the verticals around the reel; then lowered it into place. That
was very tricky considering the York's propensity to stall when
you most needed it.

So to swap to the orange, we flipped the trailer backwards,
rolled the reel out, and rolled the new one in. Then we flipped
the trailer down, carefully. We might have made the rear arms
shorter.

The third gadget was a trailer hitch bar for the Kubota. It
clamps onto its forks, and has 1_7/8", 2" and pintle ring
connections. Originally, we were going to use the pintle hook
adapter seen on the van; but that blocked the balls, and we
needed it on van. So we made a plate for a large clevis pin
that's not shown.

It does tend to slide off the forks, and we might add a arm to
the rear.

Added the photo array are some of the other toys around. The
flatbed is hardly stressed with that PVC pipe. The winch was
used to haul both the yellow trencher, and after it burnt a
valve or two, the rented RT45's, up the slopes. The bulldozer
was not needed, but there were times I'd have loved to have
driven it over the Midmark. Lastly, the IH 3840 would have been
a big help with its 27 ft reach, but it's in need of repairs. To
get some idea of the size of the beast, that's a portrait of
George Washington you can see.


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Hey, I mentioned a big IH Case loader sitting out in the field lonely.
Gunner noted "Big bucket..."

Here's an update. http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun
The last four shots show it up and about today after 5+ years
out in a field. Next step is some cylinder rebuilds...including
the two outriggers & the main one in the arm.

When done, the backhole has a 27 ft reach, and ~1 yard^3 bucket....





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On 2012-05-31, David Lesher wrote:
Hey, I mentioned a big IH Case loader sitting out in the field lonely.
Gunner noted "Big bucket..."

Here's an update. http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun
The last four shots show it up and about today after 5+ years
out in a field. Next step is some cylinder rebuilds...including
the two outriggers & the main one in the arm.

When done, the backhole has a 27 ft reach, and ~1 yard^3 bucket....

Ignoramus2960 writes:

The page was not found

More Googlegrief... Try http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun2
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David Lesher wrote:
Hey, I mentioned a big IH Case loader sitting out in the field lonely.
Gunner noted "Big bucket..."

Here's an update. http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun
The last four shots show it up and about today after 5+ years
out in a field. Next step is some cylinder rebuilds...including
the two outriggers & the main one in the arm.

When done, the backhole has a 27 ft reach, and ~1 yard^3 bucket....

Why would anybody let it sit for 5 years? What did it take to get it
running? Or was all this covered in another thread?

On 5/30/2012 11:47 PM, David Lesher wrote:
Hey, I mentioned a big IH Case loader sitting out in the field lonely.
....

When done, the backhole has a 27 ft reach, and ~1 yard^3 bucket....

When that gets too small or you get tired of it you can go reclaim this
puppy...

http://www.bigbrutus.org/about.html

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Ignoramus2960 writes:

The page was not found

More Googlegrief... Try http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun2

A Most Beautyous old pig. Corngrats on ownership.

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Bob Engelhardt writes:

When done, the backhole has a 27 ft reach, and ~1 yard^3 bucket....

Why would anybody let it sit for 5 years? What did it take to
get it running? Or was all this covered in another thread?

It came with the property; the last owner having abandoned
it. There was no immediate need for it; the new owner bought a
Kubota 4400; smaller but far easier to use. Further, there are
2 other backhoes in the "family"; a large Chinese one [PITA] & a
8N-based one....as well as the bulldozers and grader.

However, time has shown that at times "size matters" & so the
MWM [mechanic welder & machinist] neighbor started working on
while waiting on 8N parts. It needed a starter rebuild and new
ignition switch to run. Now that it's mobile; next stop is the
drive it to the shop for brakes, and cylinder rebuilds on the
main boom and the outriggers...It will also need tires.

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Larry Jaques writes:

More Googlegrief... Try http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun2

A Most Beautyous old pig. Corngrats on ownership.

Not mine but I'll get to play with it. A guy can make a lot of
trouble with a beast that size...4WD to boot.


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On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 04:33:31 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

Larry Jaques writes:

More Googlegrief... Try http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun2

A Most Beautyous old pig. Corngrats on ownership.

Not mine but I'll get to play with it. A guy can make a lot of
trouble with a beast that size...

I'm certain of that fact, too.


4WD to boot.

Yeah, I saw the axles and knew she could go wherever. I watched a
little Deere (9360 IIRC) push over some rotted stumps last month and
was amazed at how strong the little guy was. Jayzuss, 1/4mil price?
thud

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 04:33:31 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

Larry Jaques writes:

More Googlegrief... Try http://tinyurl.com/bigtoysformorephun2

A Most Beautyous old pig. Corngrats on ownership.

Not mine but I'll get to play with it. A guy can make a lot of
trouble with a beast that size...4WD to boot.
I bought a Case backhoe to put in my septic system about 5 years ago.
I paid 5 grand for a pretty worn out machine. It's a CK 745. Anyway,
it did the septic system just fine. The county said it was one of the
best systems they had seen. The machine still works well and I was
using it just a few days ago to move a bunch of dirt. I dug all my
water, phone line and power ditches with it. Buried my neighbor's
horse with it. It will did a ditch 14 feet deep according to the
manual but the depest I have dug is 11 feet. For the horse.
ERic