On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:



Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:



Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

So what? What's your point here? The plain and simple fact is that if
gummer wanted to work, then he'd get a job. The kind of jobs he's
qualified for have a high turnover rate, and are a dime a dozen. As it
happens, yesterday I talked to a friend who has several employees. On
behalf of an acquaintance, I asked my friend if he'd be interested in
a new hire even though work is slow. He said that he's *always* on the
lookout for replacements. That's how it is for those types of jobs -
the people who hold them are frequently far from perfect, and
therefore easy to displace by anyone who has more talent. And there
you have it - the most talented already have the jobs, and the least
talented (which includes motivation), continue to sit on their asses
making excuses. In this case, we have a guy ludicrously claiming to
have unlimited talent at the same time he admits being so broke that
he needs to pirate web access from a neighbor's provider. As if that
wasn't enough, there's un undeniable record to prove that his
excuse-making has been going on for 30 years.

BTW, the guy who asked me to inquire about that job, already has one.
He's considering a sideways move that might suit him better. Strange
eh that a regular guy has his choice of jobs, while genius IQ snorf
gummy claims year after year that there's no work. How dumb would
anyone have to be to believe his story?

Wayne

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:03:03 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:



Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

So what? What's your point here?

I'm merely responding to Jessica that unemployed college graduates
hurt as much as unemployed anyone else. Plenty of college graduates
shop at Wal-Mart and eat at McDonald's. Some grads have mundane jobs
with both corporations while seeking and hoping for more challenging
work.

On 9/23/2010 3:23 AM, Don Foreman wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:03:03 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:



Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

So what? What's your point here?

I'm merely responding to Jessica that unemployed college graduates
hurt as much as unemployed anyone else. Plenty of college graduates
shop at Wal-Mart and eat at McDonald's. Some grads have mundane jobs
with both corporations while seeking and hoping for more challenging
work.

Note that "eat at McDonalds" and "poor" are not the same. McDonalds is
not a cheap place to eat. The local Chinese place will provide me a
really good lunch for under 5 bucks. Olive Garden occasionally has an
"all you can eat" for 9. Last time I went to McDonalds I spent 15.

McDonalds major market is working people who have a half an hour for
lunch. And most college graduates are working people who have a half an
hour for lunch. Anybody who thinks that "college graduate"
automatically equates to "rich and privileged" either isn't one or was
already rich and privileged before college.

And why not shop at Wal-Mart if they have the best price on whatever you
need or if it's the most convenient place to shop or if they have
something you particularly like? They've got the best prices in the
area on Mobil 1, they're the closest place to get oil filters for my
motorcycle, and Grapette soda is comfort food for me.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:23:17 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:03:03 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

So what? What's your point here?

I'm merely responding to Jessica that unemployed college graduates
hurt as much as unemployed anyone else. Plenty of college graduates
shop at Wal-Mart and eat at McDonald's. Some grads have mundane jobs
with both corporations while seeking and hoping for more challenging
work.

Looks like you've trying to weasel out of your claim that "there are
no longer any gas-pumping jobs". The facts: 1. There are still jobs
pumping gas. 2. There are lots of jobs with similar pay and skill
requirements. 3. Those who claim that they can't find such jobs are
either BSing, or of such low skill/motivation that they aren't up to
displacing those who are currently working those jobs. Hell, any kid
fresh out of high school ought to be able to take over one of those
jobs by promising to come in on time every day. Of course, he'd have
to mean it and back it up with something more than the last guy who
claimed to be a hard worker even though he made a habit of
disappearing into the bathroom 3 times a day for half-hour smoke
breaks.

Wayne

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:56:25 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:23:17 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:03:03 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

So what? What's your point here?

I'm merely responding to Jessica that unemployed college graduates
hurt as much as unemployed anyone else. Plenty of college graduates
shop at Wal-Mart and eat at McDonald's. Some grads have mundane jobs
with both corporations while seeking and hoping for more challenging
work.

Looks like you've trying to weasel out of your claim that "there are
no longer any gas-pumping jobs".

No, that assertion stands, at least in my area. I know of no filling
station where an employee will pump my fuel for me. Things may be
different in Arizona. I trust that your job continues to be
satisfactory as you make your regular contributions to social security
and medicare (thank you) like a good, responsible citizen.

On Sep 23, 1:10*pm, Don Foreman wrote:


No, that assertion stands, at least in my area. I know of no filling
station where an employee will pump my fuel for me. *Things may be
different in Arizona. * I trust that your job continues to be
satisfactory as you make your regular contributions to social security
and medicare (thank you) like a good, responsible citizen.

New Jersey and Oregon prohibit pumping gas by the driver. I think
their idea is to create jobs, but my response is to continue on to the
next state.

Dan

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 12:10:36 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:56:25 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:23:17 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:03:03 -0700, wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

So what? What's your point here?

I'm merely responding to Jessica that unemployed college graduates
hurt as much as unemployed anyone else. Plenty of college graduates
shop at Wal-Mart and eat at McDonald's. Some grads have mundane jobs
with both corporations while seeking and hoping for more challenging
work.

Looks like you've trying to weasel out of your claim that "there are
no longer any gas-pumping jobs".

No, that assertion stands, at least in my area. I know of no filling
station where an employee will pump my fuel for me.

Exactly as I said - more weaseling and back peddling. Facts: 1. There
are more low-end jobs now than there ever was, including some pumping
gas. 2. You must be severely out of touch if you don't know #1.

Wayne

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:



Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

Ayup.



I am the Sword of my Family
and the Shield of my Nation.
If sent, I will crush everything you have built,
burn everything you love,
and kill every one of you.
(Hebrew quote)

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:20:06 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

Ayup.

BS I know a kid who was hired on at a local GasNgrub only recently.
He's 18 I think, and already ahead of you on account of being solvent.

Wayne

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:



Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.


I had an interesting conversation with an ex-Boeing employee. If you
remember there were articles in the Sunday papers about the poor
wretches who, after 10 years with Boeing as an aerospace engineer were
now relegated to driving taxi's and drawing unemployment.

I asked the bloke "what about all the skilled craftsmen, the
machinists, welders, etc.?" He says, "Oh, they all moved to other
cities - plenty of work for those kind of chaps."

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

On Sep 21, 9:38*pm, J. D. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman





wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:

Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. *Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

I had an interesting conversation with an ex-Boeing employee. If you
remember there were articles in the Sunday papers about the poor
wretches who, after 10 years with Boeing as an aerospace engineer were
now relegated to driving taxi's and drawing unemployment.

I asked the bloke "what about all the skilled craftsmen, the
machinists, welders, etc.?" He says, "Oh, they all moved to other
cities - plenty of work for those kind of chaps."

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail

Years ago (I don't remember exactly when, but sometime in the early
1990s, I think) my brother was in electronics tech school. Many of his
classmates were former engineers from a recently closed defense
contractor. They had gone to tech school to learn a marketable skill.

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:25:38 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Sep 21, 9:38*pm, J. D. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman





wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:

Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. *Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

I had an interesting conversation with an ex-Boeing employee. If you
remember there were articles in the Sunday papers about the poor
wretches who, after 10 years with Boeing as an aerospace engineer were
now relegated to driving taxi's and drawing unemployment.

I asked the bloke "what about all the skilled craftsmen, the
machinists, welders, etc.?" He says, "Oh, they all moved to other
cities - plenty of work for those kind of chaps."

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail

Years ago (I don't remember exactly when, but sometime in the early
1990s, I think) my brother was in electronics tech school. Many of his
classmates were former engineers from a recently closed defense
contractor. They had gone to tech school to learn a marketable skill.


A fellow I knew at Edwards AFB had an interesting theory. When his son
graduated from high school he told the kid to go learn a trade -
welder, machinist, bull-dozer driver - any skilled trade and when the
kid had that under his belt toe old man was willing to put him through
collage. The theory being a skilled craftsman can always find a job.

The up-shot was that the kid went out and learned the butcher's trade
and then talked the old man into fronting up the cash to open a
butcher's shop instead of paying for a collage education. It seems
that a really, really, high end butcher's shop that trades only in
properly aged beef and gets written up in the L.A. newspapers so that
people drive, or send the servants, clear across town to shop can be a
somewhat better investment then a collage education :-)

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

On 9/22/2010 7:26 AM, J. D. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:25:38 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Sep 21, 9:38 pm, J. D. wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman





wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:

Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

I had an interesting conversation with an ex-Boeing employee. If you
remember there were articles in the Sunday papers about the poor
wretches who, after 10 years with Boeing as an aerospace engineer were
now relegated to driving taxi's and drawing unemployment.

I asked the bloke "what about all the skilled craftsmen, the
machinists, welders, etc.?" He says, "Oh, they all moved to other
cities - plenty of work for those kind of chaps."

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail

Years ago (I don't remember exactly when, but sometime in the early
1990s, I think) my brother was in electronics tech school. Many of his
classmates were former engineers from a recently closed defense
contractor. They had gone to tech school to learn a marketable skill.


A fellow I knew at Edwards AFB had an interesting theory. When his son
graduated from high school he told the kid to go learn a trade -
welder, machinist, bull-dozer driver - any skilled trade and when the
kid had that under his belt toe old man was willing to put him through
collage. The theory being a skilled craftsman can always find a job.

The up-shot was that the kid went out and learned the butcher's trade
and then talked the old man into fronting up the cash to open a
butcher's shop instead of paying for a collage education. It seems
that a really, really, high end butcher's shop that trades only in
properly aged beef and gets written up in the L.A. newspapers so that
people drive, or send the servants, clear across town to shop can be a
somewhat better investment then a collage education :-)

Yep. I went to college because my parents insisted on it, not because I
had any particular career path in mind. Wasted a lot of time and money
and can't see where it really did me much good in the long run.

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:34:10 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

On 9/22/2010 7:26 AM, J. D. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:25:38 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
wrote:

On Sep 21, 9:38 pm, J. D. wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman





wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:

Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.

I had an interesting conversation with an ex-Boeing employee. If you
remember there were articles in the Sunday papers about the poor
wretches who, after 10 years with Boeing as an aerospace engineer were
now relegated to driving taxi's and drawing unemployment.

I asked the bloke "what about all the skilled craftsmen, the
machinists, welders, etc.?" He says, "Oh, they all moved to other
cities - plenty of work for those kind of chaps."

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail

Years ago (I don't remember exactly when, but sometime in the early
1990s, I think) my brother was in electronics tech school. Many of his
classmates were former engineers from a recently closed defense
contractor. They had gone to tech school to learn a marketable skill.


A fellow I knew at Edwards AFB had an interesting theory. When his son
graduated from high school he told the kid to go learn a trade -
welder, machinist, bull-dozer driver - any skilled trade and when the
kid had that under his belt toe old man was willing to put him through
collage. The theory being a skilled craftsman can always find a job.

The up-shot was that the kid went out and learned the butcher's trade
and then talked the old man into fronting up the cash to open a
butcher's shop instead of paying for a collage education. It seems
that a really, really, high end butcher's shop that trades only in
properly aged beef and gets written up in the L.A. newspapers so that
people drive, or send the servants, clear across town to shop can be a
somewhat better investment then a collage education :-)

Yep. I went to college because my parents insisted on it, not because I
had any particular career path in mind. Wasted a lot of time and money
and can't see where it really did me much good in the long run.

The problem is that Collage/University is basically just another form
of apprenticeship - i.e., it trains one to do a specific job and
certainly if one plans a career as a doctor, lawyer, engineer, it is a
distinct advantage as it crams a lot of knowledge into one's head very
quickly. On the other hand, if one is not to work in one of the
specialized career fields I wonder whether it is not highly overrated.
I wonder whether collage really was an advantage to Warren Buffett's,
who initially dropped out of collage saying that he knew more then the
professors. Bill Gates, who famously, dropped out of Harvard and Steve
Jobs who attended only one semester.

Cheers,

John D. Slocomb
(jdslocombatgmail)

On 9/21/2010 9:38 PM, J. D. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:25:43 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 04:47:26 -0700 (PDT), Jessica Wabbit
wrote:



Not a lot of jobs other than medical or oilfield work here in
Taft/Bakersfield
Nearly all the jobs need serious college degrees.

Gunner

Bakersfiled is a college graduate community? No Walmart, no Mc
Donald, ...?

Unemployed PhD's have about the same income as unemployed dropouts.

In the recession of '71, a lot of CA aerospace engineers were flipping
burgers and pumping gas. Unfortunately, there are no longer any
gas-pumping jobs.


I had an interesting conversation with an ex-Boeing employee. If you
remember there were articles in the Sunday papers about the poor
wretches who, after 10 years with Boeing as an aerospace engineer were
now relegated to driving taxi's and drawing unemployment.

I asked the bloke "what about all the skilled craftsmen, the
machinists, welders, etc.?" He says, "Oh, they all moved to other
cities - plenty of work for those kind of chaps."

One of the biggest lies our government foists off on us is that we need
to train more scientists and engineers. Scientists and engineers are a
glut on the market--few work in the field for which they were trained
and IIRC roughly half work in nontechnical fields.

Simple fact is that there just isn't that much technical work out there.
If the US is "falling behind" technologically it's because the
government is acting as a pimple on the ass of progress, not because we
aren't lousy with engineers and scientists.