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Reshaping aluminium cans
For old electronic equipment it is a common thing to do is restuff the outer
can of failed dual electrolytic capoacitors , like these in form http://jensencapacitors.com/public/b...t6elytdual.jpg (3 terminals because 2 are commoned usually) about .5mm thick 45mm long 35mm diameter or so. The original has 2 capacitors built concentric to one another, inside. Fortunately modern ones , singley, for the same rating are smaller in volume, but as separate , to get enough space you have to oval out the can a bit to fit 2 in side by side. How to oval out the closed end without deforming to flats/overhangs. I do not know if the original is spun or annealed&pressed. I seem to remember that to anneal aluminium its a matter of coating with soap and heating till it goes brown, but what to do next to loose metal and before or after sqashing to oval. I fix a tight steel band (a standard capacitor clip) about 5mm from the closed end before squashing in a vice to minimise the flats, but I would like to find a better way. It would be nice to dome the flat top or create a saddle of 2 small domes to the top would loose metal and look ok but how to do with minimal equipment. |
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On Sep 4, 1:29*am, "N_Cook" wrote:
For old electronic equipment it is a common thing to do is restuff the outer can of failed *dual electrolytic capoacitors , like these in formhttp://jensencapacitors.com/public/billeder/produkter/kat6elytdual.jpg (3 terminals because 2 are commoned usually) about .5mm thick 45mm long 35mm diameter or so. The original has 2 capacitors built concentric to one another, inside. Fortunately modern ones , singley, for the same rating *are smaller in volume, but as separate , to get enough space you have to oval out the can a bit to fit 2 in side by side. How to oval out the closed end without deforming to flats/overhangs. I do not know if the original is spun or annealed&pressed. I seem to remember that to anneal aluminium its a matter of coating with soap and heating till it goes brown, but what to do next to loose metal and before or after sqashing to oval. I fix a tight steel band (a standard capacitor clip) about 5mm from the closed end before squashing in a vice to minimise the flats, but I would like to find a better way. It would be nice to dome the flat top or create a saddle of 2 small domes to the top would loose metal and look ok but how to do with minimal equipment. It's been a long time since I've replaced any of those. The cans are drawn or extruded, so probably not work-hardened at all due to the grade of alloy needed, they crush easily. You can probably ding them out with rounded dowels(broomstick end?), if you want oval, get to whittling. Want two domes, whittle a rounded end onto a small dowel and ding the top twice. You'd probably get better results using something for backing up, standard panel beaters accessory was the shot bag. Or whittle a cavity and smooth it up in a piece of hardwood. Stan |
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On Sep 4, 3:29*am, "N_Cook" wrote:
For old electronic equipment it is a common thing to do is restuff the outer can of failed *dual electrolytic capoacitors , ... New caps come packaged in perfectly good cans, why do you have to stuff them into the old one? jsw |
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Jim Wilkins wrote in message
... On Sep 4, 3:29 am, "N_Cook" wrote: For old electronic equipment it is a common thing to do is restuff the outer can of failed dual electrolytic capoacitors , ... New caps come packaged in perfectly good cans, why do you have to stuff them into the old one? jsw I agree, if it was mine I'd replace with 2 separate capactitors as plenty of space . But others have a thing about original parts especially with the date July 1975 on it, probably adds monetary value to these things , modern stuff reduces value apparently |
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Jim Wilkins wrote in message ... On Sep 4, 3:29 am, "N_Cook" wrote: For old electronic equipment it is a common thing to do is restuff the outer can of failed dual electrolytic capoacitors , ... New caps come packaged in perfectly good cans, why do you have to stuff them into the old one? jsw For appearance. A lot of the older stuff (I mean 40's and 50's vintage record players and radios, not stuff since the 60's) had phenolic or Bakelite outer cans on electrolytics. A new aluminum or vinyl shrink- wrapped can just wouldn't have the same look and feel. I fully re-built a 1958 Wurlitzer juke box. Aside from the mechanicals, trying to completely re-do the electronics to OEM spec was quite a challenge. (Hint -- the changer carousel from an old Wurly fits nicely in a large- load dishwasher G) LLoyd LLoyd |
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On Sep 8, 8:43*am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote: Jim Wilkins wrote in message .... On Sep 4, 3:29 am, "N_Cook" wrote: For old electronic equipment it is a common thing to do is restuff the outer can of failed dual electrolytic capoacitors , ... New caps come packaged in perfectly good cans, why do you have to stuff them into the old one? jsw For appearance. *A lot of the older stuff (I mean 40's and 50's vintage record players and radios, not stuff since the 60's) had phenolic or Bakelite outer cans on electrolytics. *A new aluminum or vinyl shrink- wrapped can just wouldn't have the same look and feel. ... LLoyd Oh, this is like old cars and airplanes that can be either functional or original, but not both. Rather than mangling the original can why not save it intact and fabricate a replica cover for the replacements? jsw |
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Jim Wilkins fired this volley in news:14e63de1-24db-
: Rather than mangling the original can why not save it intact and fabricate a replica cover for the replacements? Jim, one need not "mangle" the old cans. The plastic ones were generally mounted with either two bolt tabs or by a clamping ring assembly from the bottom side of the chassis. At the worst, only the phenolic bottom disk of the old cap need be damaged to "re-stuff" it. With care, even that may be preserved, and only the guts changed. LLoyd |
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On 09/07/2010 02:57 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Sep 4, 3:29 am, wrote: For old electronic equipment it is a common thing to do is restuff the outer can of failed dual electrolytic capoacitors , ... New caps come packaged in perfectly good cans, why do you have to stuff them into the old one? To retain the look of the original rig. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html |
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On 09/04/2010 12:29 AM, N_Cook wrote:
For old electronic equipment it is a common thing to do is restuff the outer can of failed dual electrolytic capoacitors , like these in form http://jensencapacitors.com/public/b...t6elytdual.jpg (3 terminals because 2 are commoned usually) about .5mm thick 45mm long 35mm diameter or so. The original has 2 capacitors built concentric to one another, inside. Fortunately modern ones , singley, for the same rating are smaller in volume, but as separate , to get enough space you have to oval out the can a bit to fit 2 in side by side. How to oval out the closed end without deforming to flats/overhangs. I do not know if the original is spun or annealed&pressed. I seem to remember that to anneal aluminium its a matter of coating with soap and heating till it goes brown, but what to do next to loose metal and before or after sqashing to oval. I fix a tight steel band (a standard capacitor clip) about 5mm from the closed end before squashing in a vice to minimise the flats, but I would like to find a better way. It would be nice to dome the flat top or create a saddle of 2 small domes to the top would loose metal and look ok but how to do with minimal equipment. Getting outside of your box for a second, what about using more than two caps, in whatever parallel arrangement is needed? Three, four and seven caps will all pack into a circle much more efficiently than two; that may give you the volume you need. For that matter, some searching may find you some short wide caps that can be stacked. Just a thought... -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html |
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