"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
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On Feb 24, 12:13 pm, Ignoramus26960 ignoramus26...@NOSPAM.
26960.invalid wrote:
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Steve, you got it exactly right, you have to know more than the other
guy, this is the key.

i-

If he reads this he knows what you think of him.

jsw

As my high school English teacher corrected me a thousand times,
"It matters not."

Steve

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:28:27 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

"Snag" wrote in message
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I'm going to be needing a battery drill for a small handyman business I'm
starting , and right now I can't afford the one I really want . Anybody
using one of the HF offerings ? They're a lot cheaper , but as we all know
, cheaper tools often end up costing more in the long run - whether from
dying in the middle of a job , or from screwin' up whatever you're working
on .
Same goes for their pin/finish nailers ... anyone have one ?

Do not let not being able to afford a Milwaukee stop you from getting your
job done. If all you can afford is an HF get it, and get the profits in
from the job. Then take them and write them off as tool replacement costs
for a Milwaukee or Makita.

I had a long informative reply, but my fat fingers and this computer ate it.

I would pass on the Milwaukee, I got 4 dead batteries and a dead
charger, but then again it is 3 years old.

I think my next new cordless might be a Makita, my 15+ year old Makita
battery still holds a partial charge.


Thank You,
Randy

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On 2/24/2010 12:06 PM, Randy wrote:

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I would pass on the Milwaukee, I got 4 dead batteries and a dead
charger, but then again it is 3 years old.

These guys rebuilt several of my packs and made my tired
Makita tools run like new: http://www.primecell.com/pctools.htm

--Winston

On Feb 23, 8:42*pm, Larry Jaques wrote:
snippage

I've never seen a good deal on a tool in a pawn shop in my life.

snippage

It'll be regional and to a certain extent seasonal. Around here, the
roofers and yard workers pawn their tools at the start of winter so
they can get back to Mexico for the holidays. Along about Nov. or
Dec., compressors and nail guns are a drug and deals can be had, same
for mowers and string trimmers. A lot of the items will have been
used hard with no maintenance, that's where the skill and knowledge
comes in to spot a deal. I don't see any machine tools and only a few
hand power tools. For some reason, beat-up Sawzalls and clones seem
to be the exception. Not too many air tools besides nailers, either.

Stan

Steve B wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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Steve B wrote:

Let me put it to you this way: If you get out on a job, and your drill
doesn't work, do you? There are MANY things that you can cut corners on,
and cheap items are as good as expensive ones, but I don't consider a
good
battery drill to be in that category. Look at pawn shops. I have seen
some
killer deals there, and haggle with the guy from the moment you go in,
offering him a lowball price. Walk around. Chances are, by the time you
leave, they will want you to part with some of your money. If not, go to
the next pawn shop. Check your local Craigslist. A friend of mine got a
Porter Cable pancake compressor and three nail guns of various sizes, all
never used for $125. Plus a good shock of hose, and thousands of nails.

You don't want your drill to take the rest of the day off when you are
not
finished. Look for one with an extra battery. Very important. I like
my
DeWalt 18v.

Steve

Is it one of the Dewalt cordless drills with a safety recall for
being a fire hazard?


http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/recalls/DewaltSafetyrecall.pdf


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No, it is the DeWalt that has been recalled for cutting people's fingers
when they grab the spinning bit instead of the chuck.


Then shove it back up your ass and pull the trigger.


Moron.


At least you finally admitted it.



Did you look at the list of recalled DeWalt models, jackass? They
have defective triggers that overheat and can catch fire.






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"Randy" wrote

I think my next new cordless might be a Makita, my 15+ year old Makita
battery still holds a partial charge.


Thank You,
Randy

I would not part with my OLD Makita 9.6 as it is great for a lot of stuff.
Not everything, but that's when I get the 18v. out. Or the corded.

Steve

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote

Did you look at the list of recalled DeWalt models, jackass? They
have defective triggers that overheat and can catch fire.

Go into your closet and shut the door, then. Life is a risk. If you don't
like something, just don't use it. I'll do the same. It's relatively
simple, except for people like you.

Steve

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:37:51 -0800, the infamous "Steve B"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote

I've never seen a good deal on a tool in a pawn shop in my life.

Porter Cable pancake compressor with three nailguns, 100' hose, and lots of
nails, $135.

DeWalt sliding compound sliding saw with new Diablo blade, $200.

OK, there you have a good price.


Remington Monte Carlo grade 552 Speedmaster, $90.

HEAVY Rockwell Table saw with new blade, and large top, $50.

I could go on.

I think the pawn shops in my area must be different than yours.

They just might be. I seldom see stuff for any less than full retail
up here, and I saw the same crap in LoCal when I lived there. Ghastly
high prices on decent stuff, and way too high a price on dead, old, or
worn-out goods which were missing batteries, chargers, cases, chuck
keys, etc.

Every time I've been into a pawn shop, I wonder how in the hell they
stay in business. One pawn shop here sells used pistols (well, he
tries, anyway) for prices higher than the manufacturer gets for brand
new pieces.

--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it
exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong
remedy." -- Ernest Benn

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:15:19 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Snag wrote:

Which is why I asked , if a few had good luck with those , I'd buy one .
Looks like I'm going to bite the bullet on the drill . Fleabay has the
(model 972 , I think) one I like for around a hundred .
If the guy buys that Camaro axle today , I can afford a decent nailer too


I've had good luck out of several HF models. I got about four years
use before the batteries were useless. I currently have two of this
model, and three spare batteries:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93440

It is a 19.2 volt version of my first HF drill that was identical
except it used a 9.6 volt battery pack. That drill still holds a little
charge, and is about eight years old.

I started buying two identical drills so I can switch jobs without
changing a bit every time. Like a drill bit on one and a screwdriver of
socket driver in the other.

These are $29.99 and spare batteries are Item 92603 @$16.99 each. I
bought three spare batteries on sale recently, for $10.99 each. I use
them for work around the house, like building cabinets & shelving, and
to work on computers.

Note the moral: If you have to buy cheapies, buy two. Then if one
dies you can still finish the job, and if there's a terminal failure
you use one as a parts burner for the other.

Harbor Freight builds "Okay" tools, as long as your use doesn't
involve beating on them with a rock they'll last for a while. But
their repair parts system is hit-and-miss at best, and parts for older
things, fuhgeddaboudit.

I have a few 18V DeWalt drills, and they DO get beaten on daily
(swinging 1" Ship Augurs and 1-1/2" Selfeed bits when roughing in) and
have had very good luck. Melted one motor's brush-holders off the
molded glass-filled motor end bell, and now I know better and let it
cool off between too-big holes.

DeWalt has the new Nano stuff coming out that's Li-Ion instead of
Ni-Cad. If you can get a deal, go for it - but I haven't seen any
good deals on consumables for the Nano stuff yet, notably the two-pack
deal on replacement batteries they run a few times a year.

The Nano packs are MOSTLY backwards compatible, which is a bonus.
There are only a few old things that can't run the new packs, they
need to come out with a new Radio/Charger for one.

-- Bruce --

On 2010-02-25, Bruce L Bergman wrote:
Harbor Freight builds "Okay" tools, as long as your use doesn't
involve beating on them with a rock they'll last for a while. But
their repair parts system is hit-and-miss at best, and parts for older
things, fuhgeddaboudit.

I would like to respectfully disagree. Some of their tools are
perfectly good and usable, like, say, hammers, some vises, lights,
etc. Some are, to the contrary, useless junk, such as those drills
with bad chargers that damage batteries.

i

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:37:51 -0800, the infamous "Steve B"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote

I've never seen a good deal on a tool in a pawn shop in my life.

Porter Cable pancake compressor with three nailguns, 100' hose, and lots
of
nails, $135.

DeWalt sliding compound sliding saw with new Diablo blade, $200.

OK, there you have a good price.


Remington Monte Carlo grade 552 Speedmaster, $90.

HEAVY Rockwell Table saw with new blade, and large top, $50.

I could go on.

I think the pawn shops in my area must be different than yours.

They just might be. I seldom see stuff for any less than full retail
up here, and I saw the same crap in LoCal when I lived there. Ghastly
high prices on decent stuff, and way too high a price on dead, old, or
worn-out goods which were missing batteries, chargers, cases, chuck
keys, etc.

Every time I've been into a pawn shop, I wonder how in the hell they
stay in business. One pawn shop here sells used pistols (well, he
tries, anyway) for prices higher than the manufacturer gets for brand
new pieces.

--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it
exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong
remedy." -- Ernest Benn

It's a contract. Offer and acceptance. If there is not mutual agreement,
there is no contract. I laugh often in pawn shops. Once at a higher than
new retail price. Again for a lower than actual worth price. And again
when I see some overpriced item being carried out the door.

I can not say that everything I have ever bought in my life has been a
killer deal. I don't think anyone can honestly say that.

Steve

"Ignoramus26960" wrote in message
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On 2010-02-25, Bruce L Bergman wrote:
Harbor Freight builds "Okay" tools, as long as your use doesn't
involve beating on them with a rock they'll last for a while. But
their repair parts system is hit-and-miss at best, and parts for older
things, fuhgeddaboudit.

I would like to respectfully disagree. Some of their tools are
perfectly good and usable, like, say, hammers, some vises, lights,
etc. Some are, to the contrary, useless junk, such as those drills
with bad chargers that damage batteries.

i

What he said.

Steve

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:29:14 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus26960
scrawled the following:

On 2010-02-25, Bruce L Bergman wrote:
Harbor Freight builds "Okay" tools, as long as your use doesn't
involve beating on them with a rock they'll last for a while. But
their repair parts system is hit-and-miss at best, and parts for older
things, fuhgeddaboudit.

I would like to respectfully disagree. Some of their tools are
perfectly good and usable, like, say, hammers, some vises, lights,
etc. Some are, to the contrary, useless junk, such as those drills
with bad chargers that damage batteries.

Hey, if you guys can't figure out how to RTFM, as short as they are,
and spot the large "DO NOT OVERCHARGE BATTERIES" warning enclosed (in
at least one place, if not two) you're on your own.

Hammers, sledges in particular, are dangerous items from HF now that
they're attempting to glue the heads on instead of properly shaping
the handle and wedging the heads on. When you're really swinging a 5
lb sledge and the head comes flying off, it's gonna -cost- somebody
something. I'm terrified of that new ploy.

--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it
exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong
remedy." -- Ernest Benn

On 2010-02-26, Larry Jaques wrote:
Hammers, sledges in particular, are dangerous items from HF now that
they're attempting to glue the heads on instead of properly shaping
the handle and wedging the heads on. When you're really swinging a 5
lb sledge and the head comes flying off, it's gonna -cost- somebody
something. I'm terrified of that new ploy.


Actually, I agree with you. I recalled that I bought a peen
hammer recently and its glued head is already acting suspiciously.

i

Steve B wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote

Did you look at the list of recalled DeWalt models, jackass? They
have defective triggers that overheat and can catch fire.

Go into your closet and shut the door, then. Life is a risk. If you don't
like something, just don't use it. I'll do the same. It's relatively
simple, except for people like you.


Sigh. If it were, you would have already burned to death.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

Ignoramus26960 wrote:

On 2010-02-25, Bruce L Bergman wrote:
Harbor Freight builds "Okay" tools, as long as your use doesn't
involve beating on them with a rock they'll last for a while. But
their repair parts system is hit-and-miss at best, and parts for older
things, fuhgeddaboudit.

I would like to respectfully disagree. Some of their tools are
perfectly good and usable, like, say, hammers, some vises, lights,
etc. Some are, to the contrary, useless junk, such as those drills
with bad chargers that damage batteries.


Getting five years service out of the batteries is better than I got
with some name brand cordless drills.

Buy whatever you want and do whatever the hell you please, with it.

I buy a lot of tools two or more at a time now that I'm disabled. By
doing so, I don't have to go looking for tools. I can leave them where
ever I'm working around the house and still have tools in both shops. I
already spend too much time limping around to do whatever task is at
hand. Extra tools allow me to get more done. I still have and use
tools I bought while I was in junior high school, in the mid '60s. I
have two table saws, two radial ar saws, a couple compound miter saws, a
couple drill presses, about 15 corded & cordless drills. I probably have
over 120 screwdrivers, not counting the 1/4" hex drive bits. I have at
least five sets of socket drivers, and three sets of automotive tools so
that I can carry one in my truck, keep one in the garage and another in
my metalworking shop. tools are meant to be used, and do wear out. No
matter what you buy.

I buy drill bits and other small items in bulk, because they wear
out. I used to buy 1/8" drill bits by the pound because I wore out so
many while drilling out rivets in some equipment. They weren't cheap
imports, they were US made industrial grade. They are cheaper in bulk,
and you don't have a job come to a screeching halt for a few cents worth
of tooling.

Just like when I was in business, I bought things by the bag, box
bundle or crate. I did most jobs in one trip from stock in the truck and
made more money that the ID10Ts that bought a single outlet box or stick
of conduit at a time. They spent more time at the wholesalers picking
up supplies for one job than they did working. I generally went once a
week or every other week to restock my truck & shop. I was in and out
in under 15 minutes, usually on a Saturday morning when most of my
customers weren't open for business.


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