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Tapping Head ???
I have been looking at some of the auto reversing tapping heads and I've
viewed some of the videos on you tube. This is an impressive looking piece of equipment. Kind of like the line take up guide on a bait casting reel. Does it work the way it looks? You just lower down to a certain level and it punches down to its max reach and then automatically reverse and retracts. Do you need a special tap for these? Do generic square drive taps work with these? Is it like a mill spindle where you need a bunch of different size collets and a closer? |
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Tapping Head ???
On 2010-01-09, Bob La Londe wrote:
I have been looking at some of the auto reversing tapping heads and I've viewed some of the videos on you tube. This is an impressive looking piece of equipment. Kind of like the line take up guide on a bait casting reel. Does it work the way it looks? You just lower down to a certain level and it punches down to its max reach and then automatically reverse and retracts. Do you need a special tap for these? Do generic square drive taps work with these? Is it like a mill spindle where you need a bunch of different size collets and a closer? Gun taps (spiral) work better. Different heads require different collets. I have a head that takes a bunch of collets. The newer heads take rubberflex collets. i |
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On Jan 8, 6:23*pm, "Bob La Londe" wrote:
I have been looking at some of the auto reversing tapping heads and I've viewed some of the videos on you tube. *This is an impressive looking piece of equipment. *Kind of like the line take up guide on a bait casting reel. Does it work the way it looks? *You just lower down to a certain level and it punches down to its max reach and then automatically reverse and retracts. Do you need a special tap for these? *Do generic square drive taps work with these? *Is it like a mill spindle where you need a bunch of different size collets and a closer? I have one I got for production work that never materialized, so I have only tested it. It works with an internal clutch activated by either pressure down on the tap, so it turns clockwise, then, after tapping the hole, upward pressure reverses the rotation of the tap until it comes out of the tapped hole. Finally, with neither up or down pressure, the rotation stops. Mine is manually operated on either a drill press or a mill, used as a drill press. There are different sides collets to hold a regular square headed tap, but the collet is nested in rubber so the tap stays in the collet. A particular size of tapping head is good for a specific range of tap sizes. As the tap size goes up, do does the power required to run the tap, so the whole machine increases in size. Paul |
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On Jan 8, 6:23*pm, "Bob La Londe" wrote:
I have been looking at some of the auto reversing tapping heads and I've viewed some of the videos on you tube. *This is an impressive looking piece of equipment. *Kind of like the line take up guide on a bait casting reel. Does it work the way it looks? *You just lower down to a certain level and it punches down to its max reach and then automatically reverse and retracts. Do you need a special tap for these? *Do generic square drive taps work with these? *Is it like a mill spindle where you need a bunch of different size collets and a closer? I forgot to mention the tapping head has a tail assembly that fits a vertical rod mounted on the drill press that keeps the tapping head from rotating with the tap. Paul |
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Tapping Head ???
--They totally rock. I recommend Tapmatic; we've got several and we
beat 'em to death: very reliable. I run mostly plug taps but I've used bottom taps too; just be careful setting depth in a blind hole. Use the right lubricant for the tap and slop it on often; i.e. every other hole or so. -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Currently broke and Hacking the Trailing Edge! : looking for a job... www.nmpproducts.com ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
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steamer wrote:
--They totally rock. I recommend Tapmatic; we've got several and we beat 'em to death: very reliable. I run mostly plug taps but I've used bottom taps too; just be careful setting depth in a blind hole. Use the right lubricant for the tap and slop it on often; i.e. every other hole or so. Ditto's on the tapmatic. We use them hard also. Anyone have a clue where I can get a snail (retract spring) for a Burgmaster 1D? Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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Tapping Head ???
Wes wrote in
: steamer wrote: --They totally rock. I recommend Tapmatic; we've got several and we beat 'em to death: very reliable. I run mostly plug taps but I've used bottom taps too; just be careful setting depth in a blind hole. Use the right lubricant for the tap and slop it on often; i.e. every other hole or so. Ditto's on the tapmatic. We use them hard also. Anyone have a clue where I can get a snail (retract spring) for a Burgmaster 1D? For a home shop with a smallish mill (Clausing 8520), could someone in the know help recommend a specific Tapmatic model?. I've been thinking about getting one for a while, but I'm unclear on the practical differences between the Rx, TC/DC & X models. I'd be looking at a size 30, and all models seem to be about the same length. The TC/DC has an "adjustable self-feed", which the others don't, but I have no idea what that means. The TC/DC also has "adjustable depth control for blind holes", which sounds useful. Should I be looking for a TC/DC, or are the others just as good? I'm looking for maximum flexibility & idiot-proofness. Thanks! Doug White |
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Tapping Head ???
On 2010-01-10, Doug White wrote:
Wes wrote in : steamer wrote: --They totally rock. I recommend Tapmatic; we've got several and [ ... ] For a home shop with a smallish mill (Clausing 8520), could someone in the know help recommend a specific Tapmatic model?. I've been thinking about getting one for a while, but I'm unclear on the practical differences between the Rx, TC/DC & X models. I'd be looking at a size 30, and all models seem to be about the same length. The TC/DC has an "adjustable self-feed", which the others don't, but I have no idea what that means. The TC/DC also has "adjustable depth control for blind holes", which sounds useful. Should I be looking for a TC/DC, or are the others just as good? I'm looking for maximum flexibility & idiot-proofness. O.K. I would have to dig up the listing of what is what to be sure. (Or -- go downstairs to a far too cold shop far too late in the day. :-) But the features on the two which I have (one a 30 size and one a 50 for larger taps) have the following differences which I consider important: 1) The smaller one (I think a 30X, but I am not sure) has a collar at the top which sets a torque limit. The advice for using it is to start with it set to the lowest torque, and put a brand new tap in the head, and try tapping the workpiece material and size which you are using. Keep increasing the torque setting until it goes through with no trouble -- and adjust it just a tiny bit higher. Now -- keep tapping using these settings until it starts to slip again. At this point, the thing to do is to remove and discard the tap which you are using, and install another brand new one. This, obviously, is for production, and is the best way to avoid broken taps. 2) The larger one does not have the torque limit, but has an adjustable collar on the tap chuck which sets how far the chuck has to travel before the dog clutch releases and the tap is free from the spindle. This is important when you are tapping shallow blind holes. You need to have the tap head set so the dog clutch will release from a starting point where the tap just touches the workpiece (so it *can* self start) and yet can release before touching the bottom of the hole. You need to set the drill press or mill spindle stop so the dog clutch will release before the tap jams against the bottom of a blind hole. And you need to adjust the collar to start the tap reliably. Normally, there is quite a bit of free feed before the dog clutch disengages and stops the tap from turning. This is fine with through holes, but is a problem with blind holes. Note that this larger one does not have the torque limit, but it handles taps from 1/4" (IIRC) up to 1/2", which are harder to break in the drill press. (It would still be nice to have that torque limit to set for the tap which I am using. :-) Now -- the "adjustable self feed" may be for tapping in a CNC mill which does not have spindle thread feed capability, so once it starts to cut, it pulls the tap down as needed, and your CNC counts the turns of the spindle and then stops and reverses it. (This may not have a reversing gear inside it the way the two which I have are set up, depending on the CNC to reverse the spindle instead. Essentially -- you need to download and read the manuals for each to see what it is intended to work with. Mine are for manual Mills and drill presses. Others only work on CNC mills, or something like an automatic screw machine (lathe), so you need to get the right one for what *you* will be using it with. Unless you have the CNC mill with the right spindle programming, you probably don't want the "adjustable self feed" version. And you certainly don't want a "rigid tap holder" (which is probably a lot less expensive). And -- remember that the 30 series can only go up to 1/4" (or some only to #10 screws) -- and the torque limit is assuming thread cutting taps, not thread forming taps which need more torque, so you may not be able to use them up to the full size of the tapping head's claimed range.) But -- my larger one was really nice when I had about 40 1-4/20 holes to tap in 1/4" thick mild steel. The main trick was modifying the drillpress table to hold the length of the workpiece. I did that with two 2x4s secured from below by lag screws through the slots in the table. And I was always careful to clamp it down with a Kant-Twist for each new hole -- and position the stock so if the Kant-Twist slipped, the column would keep the workpiece from rotating. Good Luck, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Tapping Head ???
"DoN. Nichols" wrote in
: On 2010-01-10, Doug White wrote: snip For a home shop with a smallish mill (Clausing 8520), could someone in the know help recommend a specific Tapmatic model?. I've been thinking about getting one for a while, but I'm unclear on the practical differences between the Rx, TC/DC & X models. I'd be looking at a size 30, and all models seem to be about the same length. The TC/DC has an "adjustable self-feed", which the others don't, but I have no idea what that means. The TC/DC also has "adjustable depth control for blind holes", which sounds useful. Should I be looking for a TC/DC, or are the others just as good? I'm looking for maximum flexibility & idiot-proofness. O.K. I would have to dig up the listing of what is what to be sure. (Or -- go downstairs to a far too cold shop far too late in the day. :-) No rush, and I can sympathize. My shop is already getting too chilly even for brief forays when it's not worth turning on the heat. The temp in the Boston area isn't supposed get above freezing until Friday. But the features on the two which I have (one a 30 size and one a 50 for larger taps) have the following differences which I consider important: 1) The smaller one (I think a 30X, but I am not sure) has a collar at the top which sets a torque limit. The advice for using it is to start with it set to the lowest torque, and put a brand new tap in the head, and try tapping the workpiece material and size which you are using. Keep increasing the torque setting until it goes through with no trouble -- and adjust it just a tiny bit higher. Now -- keep tapping using these settings until it starts to slip again. At this point, the thing to do is to remove and discard the tap which you are using, and install another brand new one. This, obviously, is for production, and is the best way to avoid broken taps. This sounds fine, except for blind holes. Do you have to rely on a depth stop, fast reflexes, or just not doing them? 2) The larger one does not have the torque limit, but has an adjustable collar on the tap chuck which sets how far the chuck has to travel before the dog clutch releases and the tap is free from the spindle. This is important when you are tapping shallow blind holes. You need to have the tap head set so the dog clutch will release from a starting point where the tap just touches the workpiece (so it *can* self start) and yet can release before touching the bottom of the hole. You need to set the drill press or mill spindle stop so the dog clutch will release before the tap jams against the bottom of a blind hole. And you need to adjust the collar to start the tap reliably. Normally, there is quite a bit of free feed before the dog clutch disengages and stops the tap from turning. This is fine with through holes, but is a problem with blind holes. Note that this larger one does not have the torque limit, but it handles taps from 1/4" (IIRC) up to 1/2", which are harder to break in the drill press. (It would still be nice to have that torque limit to set for the tap which I am using. :-) Hmm. I thought they all had a torque limit. I'll be curious to here which model is which. Now -- the "adjustable self feed" may be for tapping in a CNC mill which does not have spindle thread feed capability, so once it starts to cut, it pulls the tap down as needed, and your CNC counts the turns of the spindle and then stops and reverses it. (This may not have a reversing gear inside it the way the two which I have are set up, depending on the CNC to reverse the spindle instead. The Tapmatic website has stuff broken into two areas, one for CNC & one for manual stuff. The TC/DC is firmly encamped under manual tapping. Essentially -- you need to download and read the manuals for each to see what it is intended to work with. Mine are for manual Mills and drill presses. Others only work on CNC mills, or something like an automatic screw machine (lathe), so you need to get the right one for what *you* will be using it with. Unless you have the CNC mill with the right spindle programming, you probably don't want the "adjustable self feed" version. And you certainly don't want a "rigid tap holder" (which is probably a lot less expensive). And -- remember that the 30 series can only go up to 1/4" (or some only to #10 screws) -- and the torque limit is assuming thread cutting taps, not thread forming taps which need more torque, so you may not be able to use them up to the full size of the tapping head's claimed range.) The size 30 would be fine for my needs. I rarely go above 1/4-20, and I'm very unlikely to have enough larger holes to warrant getting a head that won't do 4-40 & 2-56. Eventually, I might get both sizes, but I should definitely start with a #30. They are limited to #10 for thread forming, which is fine for my needs. But -- my larger one was really nice when I had about 40 1-4/20 holes to tap in 1/4" thick mild steel. The main trick was modifying the drillpress table to hold the length of the workpiece. I did that with two 2x4s secured from below by lag screws through the slots in the table. And I was always careful to clamp it down with a Kant-Twist for each new hole -- and position the stock so if the Kant-Twist slipped, the column would keep the workpiece from rotating. I assume you used the bigger one because A) you had it, and B) you knew it would be trivial for it. Given that the size 30 is rated for 1/4-20, did you think it wouldn't actually handle it? I've been assuming that their capacity specs are accurate. Thanks for the info. Doug White |
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Tapping Head ???
Wes wrote:
steamer wrote: --They totally rock. I recommend Tapmatic; we've got several and we beat 'em to death: very reliable. I run mostly plug taps but I've used bottom taps too; just be careful setting depth in a blind hole. Use the right lubricant for the tap and slop it on often; i.e. every other hole or so. Ditto's on the tapmatic. We use them hard also. Anyone have a clue where I can get a snail (retract spring) for a Burgmaster 1D? Wes -- I prefer Procunier over Tapmatic: http://tinyurl.com/ydl7ubj Much better feel than a Tapmatic -- Regards, Steve Saling aka The Garlic Dude © Gilroy, CA The Garlic Capital of The World http://tinyurl.com/2avg58 |
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Doug White wrote:
For a home shop with a smallish mill (Clausing 8520), could someone in the know help recommend a specific Tapmatic model?. I've been thinking about getting one for a while, but I'm unclear on the practical (SNIP) --FWIW a mill isn't necessary and if you've got a floor model drillpress you'll have much more room for tall parts. I'd go with the #30, which is good for taps up to 1/4" shank dia. Don't waste the money for the larger #50 unless you're planning on making some serious dough from the work it can do.. -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Currently broke and Hacking the Trailing Edge! : looking for a job... www.nmpproducts.com ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
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Garlicdude wrote:
I prefer Procunier over Tapmatic: http://tinyurl.com/ydl7ubj Much better feel than a Tapmatic Agreed, vastly better feel. I tapped a couple hundred 0-80 holes, .240 deep in 304SS using roll taps. Hole was .250 deep at full dia. This was at my last job, and I brought in my own head. My boss was aghast at what I wanted to do, citing the cost of a 10" conflat flange. But I didn't break a single one and saved a day's labor over hand tapping the way they'd been doing it. Just don't -ever- bottom a tap with a Procunier... Though in fact, I have done so with larger taps and was able to react quick enough to not break the tap. In fact, have never broken a tap with a Procunier. Jon |
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Garlicdude wrote in
t: Wes wrote: steamer wrote: --They totally rock. I recommend Tapmatic; we've got several and we beat 'em to death: very reliable. I run mostly plug taps but I've used bottom taps too; just be careful setting depth in a blind hole. Use the right lubricant for the tap and slop it on often; i.e. every other hole or so. Ditto's on the tapmatic. We use them hard also. Anyone have a clue where I can get a snail (retract spring) for a Burgmaster 1D? Wes -- I prefer Procunier over Tapmatic: http://tinyurl.com/ydl7ubj Much better feel than a Tapmatic That may be, but they are larger (an issue with my small mill), and they don't have a model that can do small taps (2-56 or 4-40) and still go up to 1/4-20 in mild steel. For my needs, Tapmatic still looks like the best fit. Doug White |
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Jon Anderson wrote:
Garlicdude wrote: I prefer Procunier over Tapmatic: http://tinyurl.com/ydl7ubj Much better feel than a Tapmatic Agreed, vastly better feel. I tapped a couple hundred 0-80 holes, .240 deep in 304SS using roll taps. Hole was .250 deep at full dia. This was at my last job, and I brought in my own head. My boss was aghast at what I wanted to do, citing the cost of a 10" conflat flange. But I didn't break a single one and saved a day's labor over hand tapping the way they'd been doing it. Just don't -ever- bottom a tap with a Procunier... Jon, I've never had a problem tapping blind holes with a Procunier. As long as you have a good depth stop it shouldn't be a problem. Best, Steve -- Regards, Steve Saling aka The Garlic Dude © Gilroy, CA The Garlic Capital of The World http://tinyurl.com/2avg58 |
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Doug White wrote:
Garlicdude wrote in t: Wes wrote: steamer wrote: --They totally rock. I recommend Tapmatic; we've got several and we beat 'em to death: very reliable. I run mostly plug taps but I've used bottom taps too; just be careful setting depth in a blind hole. Use the right lubricant for the tap and slop it on often; i.e. every other hole or so. Ditto's on the tapmatic. We use them hard also. Anyone have a clue where I can get a snail (retract spring) for a Burgmaster 1D? Wes -- I prefer Procunier over Tapmatic: http://tinyurl.com/ydl7ubj Much better feel than a Tapmatic That may be, but they are larger (an issue with my small mill), and they don't have a model that can do small taps (2-56 or 4-40) and still go up to 1/4-20 in mild steel. For my needs, Tapmatic still looks like the best fit. Doug White Doug, Here is a pdf of the smaller Procunier tapping heads: http://www.rockford-ettco.com/Portal...Pg%2029%29.pdf I've tapped lots of 1/4-20 holes in 1018 with the 11000 head. I had Tapmatic for several years and they were always a hassle especially in blind holes. I switched to Procunier and haven't had any of the problems that I did with the Tapmatics. Best, Steve -- Regards, Steve Saling aka The Garlic Dude © Gilroy, CA The Garlic Capital of The World http://tinyurl.com/2avg58 |
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Garlicdude wrote:
Jon, I've never had a problem tapping blind holes with a Procunier. As long as you have a good depth stop it shouldn't be a problem. I only ran into it a time or two when I had just enough holes to tap to justify the setup. Parts where hand held on top of the movable vise jaw, and yeah, I just didn't pay close enough attention to hole depth vs tapping depth. Was in a rush, and just glad I have good reflexes... Properly set up, I have zero reservations about tapping blind holes with one. Jon |
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Garlicdude wrote in
: Doug White wrote: Garlicdude wrote in t: Wes wrote: steamer wrote: --They totally rock. I recommend Tapmatic; we've got several and we beat 'em to death: very reliable. I run mostly plug taps but I've used bottom taps too; just be careful setting depth in a blind hole. Use the right lubricant for the tap and slop it on often; i.e. every other hole or so. Ditto's on the tapmatic. We use them hard also. Anyone have a clue where I can get a snail (retract spring) for a Burgmaster 1D? Wes -- I prefer Procunier over Tapmatic: http://tinyurl.com/ydl7ubj Much better feel than a Tapmatic That may be, but they are larger (an issue with my small mill), and they don't have a model that can do small taps (2-56 or 4-40) and still go up to 1/4-20 in mild steel. For my needs, Tapmatic still looks like the best fit. Doug White Doug, Here is a pdf of the smaller Procunier tapping heads: http://www.rockford-ettco.com/Portal...Pg%2029%29.pdf I've tapped lots of 1/4-20 holes in 1018 with the 11000 head. I had Tapmatic for several years and they were always a hassle especially in blind holes. I switched to Procunier and haven't had any of the problems that I did with the Tapmatics. That's good to know. One concern I still have is the size of them. They are about 3/4" taller than the Tapmatic. My mill doesn't have a lot of vertical capacity. I suppose if I had a lot of tapping to do on something big, I could flip my Shopsmith vertical & use it as a drill press. The other issue is the shank. I had figured on getting a Tapmatic w/ a JT6 mount, because I can get #2 MT shanks threaded internally for my drawbar. The MT shanks on the Procuniers all have tangs, although a straight 1/2" shank would give me the option of running on the Shopsmith. More stuff to ponder... Thanks! Doug White |
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On 2010-01-10, Doug White wrote:
"DoN. Nichols" wrote in : On 2010-01-10, Doug White wrote: snip For a home shop with a smallish mill (Clausing 8520), could someone in the know help recommend a specific Tapmatic model?. I've been thinking about getting one for a while, but I'm unclear on the practical differences between the Rx, TC/DC & X models. I'd be looking at a size 30, and all models seem to be about the same length. The TC/DC has an "adjustable self-feed", which the others don't, but I have no idea what that means. The TC/DC also has "adjustable depth control for blind holes", which sounds useful. Should I be looking for a TC/DC, or are the others just as good? I'm looking for maximum flexibility & idiot-proofness. O.K. I would have to dig up the listing of what is what to be sure. (Or -- go downstairs to a far too cold shop far too late in the day. :-) No rush, and I can sympathize. My shop is already getting too chilly even for brief forays when it's not worth turning on the heat. The temp in the Boston area isn't supposed get above freezing until Friday. We got to just below freezing part of the day -- Washington DC vicinity in Northern VA. O.K. This is a bit earlier, and I went down and took some quick notes before my hands froze. :-) The smaller one is strangely marked: Burgmaster B3000XB Maximum size #10, 3/16", M5 The larger one is a much older one (I think) and is simply marked: Model A #0 - 1/2" Both have a threaded socket on the top (different diameters) and I took a pair of MT-3 blanks and shouldered and threaded each to match one of the heads so I can pop them quickly into the spindle of my floor standing drill press (new Taiwan manufacture from about 1980 or so I think). The smaller one (B3000XB) is I think the same as a 30X, but with more cautious size limits -- perhaps assuming thread forming taps instead of thread cutting ones. But it was marked and sold for/with a Burgmaster multi-spindle drill press (turret to select the spindle). But I got it from eBay for a pretty reasonable price -- perhaps because others were scared off by the Burgmaster marking. But the features on the two which I have (one a 30 size and one a 50 for larger taps) have the following differences which I consider important: 1) The smaller one (I think a 30X, but I am not sure) has a collar at the top which sets a torque limit. The advice for using it is to start with it set to the lowest torque, and put a brand new tap in the head, and try tapping the workpiece material and size which you are using. Keep increasing the torque setting until it goes through with no trouble -- and adjust it just a tiny bit higher. Now -- keep tapping using these settings until it starts to slip again. At this point, the thing to do is to remove and discard the tap which you are using, and install another brand new one. This, obviously, is for production, and is the best way to avoid broken taps. This sounds fine, except for blind holes. Do you have to rely on a depth stop, fast reflexes, or just not doing them? You rely on a depth stop -- carefully set. What I do is to measure the depth of the hole from the other side of the plate, pull out on the tap chuck and rotate it until it is resting on the teeth of the dog clutch at full extension, then set the depth stop just a little above the measured distance from the table (assuming a flat workpiece which can rest on the drill press's table). The problem with this is if you have a very shallow hole, the stop setting won't let the threads engage to start the tap. This is where the adjustment on the other tapping head helps -- it keeps the dog clutch from engaging the full length of the teeth, so it can start more reliably. Of course -- with shallow blind holes and spiral point gun taps, you have the question of where the chips will go. For this, you either want the spiral flute ones, or roll (thread forming) taps which generate no chips anyway. 2) The larger one does not have the torque limit, but has an adjustable collar on the tap chuck which sets how far the chuck has to travel before the dog clutch releases and the tap is free from the spindle. This is important when you are tapping shallow blind holes. You need to have the tap head set so the dog clutch will release from a starting point where the tap just touches the workpiece (so it *can* self start) and yet can release before touching the bottom of the hole. You need to set the drill press or mill spindle stop so the dog clutch will release before the tap jams against the bottom of a blind hole. And you need to adjust the collar to start the tap reliably. Normally, there is quite a bit of free feed before the dog clutch disengages and stops the tap from turning. This is fine with through holes, but is a problem with blind holes. Note that this larger one does not have the torque limit, but it handles taps from 1/4" (IIRC) up to 1/2", which are harder to break in the drill press. (It would still be nice to have that torque limit to set for the tap which I am using. :-) Hmm. I thought they all had a torque limit. I'll be curious to here which model is which. My Model A does not -- but I don't know when it was made. Mine has a brown finish, unlike the black anodized finish on the other and all others which I have seen. I could suspect faded dyes in the anodize, except that it is even all the way around. O.K. I've just re-downloaded the manuals for the manual machine models, and the first which I find without the torque limit clutch is the SPD series. The SPD-QC (the ones with a quick-change tap holder) also do not have torque limit, though there are apparently tap holders (chucks) which have torque limits in them to prevent breakage of taps from bottoming them. The SPD series apparently has much stronger reversing gearing -- probably for driving thread forming taps instead of thread-cutting taps. Now -- the "adjustable self feed" may be for tapping in a CNC mill which does not have spindle thread feed capability, so once it starts to cut, it pulls the tap down as needed, and your CNC counts the turns of the spindle and then stops and reverses it. (This may not have a reversing gear inside it the way the two which I have are set up, depending on the CNC to reverse the spindle instead. The Tapmatic website has stuff broken into two areas, one for CNC & one for manual stuff. The TC/DC is firmly encamped under manual tapping. And the self-feed appears to be a longer travel before the dog clutch disengages. Essentially -- you need to download and read the manuals for each to see what it is intended to work with. Mine are for manual Mills and drill presses. Others only work on CNC mills, or something like an automatic screw machine (lathe), so you need to get the right one for what *you* will be using it with. Unless you have the CNC mill with the right spindle programming, you probably don't want the "adjustable self feed" version. And you certainly don't want a "rigid tap holder" (which is probably a lot less expensive). And -- remember that the 30 series can only go up to 1/4" (or some only to #10 screws) -- and the torque limit is assuming thread cutting taps, not thread forming taps which need more torque, so you may not be able to use them up to the full size of the tapping head's claimed range.) The size 30 would be fine for my needs. I rarely go above 1/4-20, and I'm very unlikely to have enough larger holes to warrant getting a head that won't do 4-40 & 2-56. Hmm ... my "Model A" will go from #0 through 1/2", so that is not a limiting factor -- except for the lack of the torque limit. Eventually, I might get both sizes, but I should definitely start with a #30. They are limited to #10 for thread forming, which is fine for my needs. O.K. That may be why the #10 limit on my Burgmaster model of the 30X. But -- my larger one was really nice when I had about 40 1-4/20 holes to tap in 1/4" thick mild steel. The main trick was modifying the drillpress table to hold the length of the workpiece. I did that with two 2x4s secured from below by lag screws through the slots in the table. And I was always careful to clamp it down with a Kant-Twist for each new hole -- and position the stock so if the Kant-Twist slipped, the column would keep the workpiece from rotating. I assume you used the bigger one because A) you had it, and B) you knew it would be trivial for it. Given that the size 30 is rated for 1/4-20, did you think it wouldn't actually handle it? I've been assuming that their capacity specs are accurate. Well -- mine is marked as being limited to #10 -- and is marked as the B3000XB for the Burgmaster, so I'm not sure whether it would handle 1/4" or not -- so I use the larger one for the 1/4-20 taps. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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