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Obamas passport?
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:12:13 -0700, Winston_Smith
wrote: (Edward A. Falk) wrote: Deucalion wrote: That's three questions. And therein lies the problem. No matter how thoroughly Obama proves his citizenship -- birth cert., newspaper clippings, vouched for by the governor of Hawaii -- there's always more demands from the birthers. Now they want to see *another* birth cert. We haven't see the first one yet. We did see a modern document attesting that there was something in the state files. But the rules at the time allowed for several kinds of births to be recorded in a way that make them all appear the same today. They ARE essentially the same for ordinary citizens. They are not the same for the purpose of determining the citizenship of the guy that was elected president. Now they want to see his passport. That's real nice and simple spin. But read the post. ANY passport he may have used EITHER was illegal OR proves he is not a citizen. If the original birth certificate is to be withheld, then we must look for something else to prove citizenship. Or not. Again, we have nothing from Obama and a lot of flash and spin from his droids. If he were to produce those, they'd want to see something else. I'll settle for the original Hawaii birth certificate. If it's there and legitimate, I will end my search for some sort of answer.' Put up or stop apologizing. From a USA Today issue quoting the Honolulu Advertiser: By Dan Nakaso, The Honolulu Advertiser In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives: "I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...." Here is the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health testifying that the man was born in Hawaii. The alternate is to assume that the Hawaii State Government is somehow been suborned. It would be a waste of time for Obama to appease the birthers any more. The question has been asked and answered. It's time to admit the earth is round and move on. He has yet to do ANYTHING to "appease" them. He has yet to prove he is a citizen in any of several ways that are open to him. Mr. Transparency only says "trust me". Nixon said "trust me"; Bush said "trust me" and you see where that got us. Regards, J.B. |
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