Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in the
attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced in
pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It was
clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger than
it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the actual
crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago. Trees and
the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox News has a
conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to light. Fox
News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

Yeah. I want to see some more news like the sparklers that set off the gas
tanks. And the falsified Bush military records. "Real news"

On Nov 11, 6:52*pm, Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.

Hawke

I would like to see the FCC pull Fox's license for being a political
arm of the Republican Party and give it to a real news
network...Sesame Street News

TMT

TMT

On Nov 12, 12:43*am, "SteveB" wrote:
"Hawke" wrote in message

...

Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in the
attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced in
pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It was
clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger than
it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the actual
crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago. Trees and
the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox News has a
conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to light. Fox
News...Busted! Quit calling it news.

Hawke

Yeah. *I want to see some more news like the sparklers that set off the gas
tanks. *And the falsified Bush military records. *"Real news"

Does indictment of other news outlets somehow make fox less culpable,
or more honest?


Dave

On Nov 12, 8:01*am, XR650L_Dave wrote:
On Nov 12, 12:43*am, "SteveB" wrote:





"Hawke" wrote in message

...

Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in the
attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced in
pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It was
clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger than
it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the actual
crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago. Trees and
the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox News has a
conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to light. Fox
News...Busted! Quit calling it news.

Hawke

Yeah. *I want to see some more news like the sparklers that set off the gas
tanks. *And the falsified Bush military records. *"Real news"

Does indictment of other news outlets somehow make fox less culpable,
or more honest?

Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL...Dave has a VERY GOOD POINT.

So SteveB instead of being a winger and slinking away, why don't you
respond to Dave's question with a thoughtful, articulate answer.

I would like to hear why Fox News shouldn't be kicked in the pants for
this.

Massive fine maybe?

TMT

"XR650L_Dave" wrote in message
...
On Nov 12, 12:43 am, "SteveB" wrote:
"Hawke" wrote in message

...

Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the
attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced in
pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It was
clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than
it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the actual
crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago. Trees and
the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox News has a
conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to light. Fox
News...Busted! Quit calling it news.

Hawke

Yeah. I want to see some more news like the sparklers that set off the gas
tanks. And the falsified Bush military records. "Real news"

Does indictment of other news outlets somehow make fox less culpable,
or more honest?


Dave

What really makes the difference is for them to come right out as soon as
the error was realized and make an apology. Which is what they did LAST
evening. And not to go with the story until months or years later when some
independent investigator finally brings in the smoking gun. There is no
honesty. But there is responsibility when a person or agency stands up
quickly and said, We screwed up. I think the canned footage in question was
of very little value to the story, and the opposition was just nit picking.
At the end of the apology, Fox commended the other "journalists" (gag, gag,
gag) on watching their station so closely and for so long.

Steve

"SteveB" wrote in message
...

"XR650L_Dave" wrote in message
...
On Nov 12, 12:43 am, "SteveB" wrote:
"Hawke" wrote in message

...

Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has
been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the
attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced in
pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It was
clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than
it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the actual
crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago. Trees and
the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox News has
a
conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to light. Fox
News...Busted! Quit calling it news.

Hawke

Yeah. I want to see some more news like the sparklers that set off the
gas
tanks. And the falsified Bush military records. "Real news"

Does indictment of other news outlets somehow make fox less culpable,
or more honest?


Dave

What really makes the difference is for them to come right out as soon as
the error was realized and make an apology. Which is what they did LAST
evening.

Hannity gave it about ten seconds and said it was "inadvertent." Right. And
the check is in the mail. g

BTW, who is that young priest he had on? I was brought up Catholic but I
never heard a priest talk like that. He could have been the spiritual
advisor to the Wehrmacht.

And not to go with the story until months or years later when some
independent investigator finally brings in the smoking gun. There is no
honesty. But there is responsibility when a person or agency stands up
quickly and said, We screwed up. I think the canned footage in question
was of very little value to the story, and the opposition was just nit
picking. At the end of the apology, Fox commended the other "journalists"
(gag, gag, gag) on watching their station so closely and for so long.

Phffft. Duck, dodge...

--
Ed Huntress

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:43:55 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"Hawke" wrote in message
...
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in the
attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced in
pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It was
clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger than
it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the actual
crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago. Trees and
the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox News has a
conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to light. Fox
News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

Yeah. I want to see some more news like the sparklers that set off the gas
tanks. And the falsified Bush military records. "Real news"

And the Obama school records and his birth certificate.


Speaking of lies...I understand that the Left lied about the recent
1.5-2 million Tea Bagger march on DC..calling it 70,000

Seems you Leftards simply cant even lie properly


Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:43:55 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"Hawke" wrote in message
...
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in the
attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced in
pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It was
clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger than
it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the actual
crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago. Trees and
the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox News has a
conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to light. Fox
News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

Yeah. I want to see some more news like the sparklers that set off the gas
tanks. And the falsified Bush military records. "Real news"

And the Obama school records and his birth certificate.

Speaking of lies...I understand that the Left lied about the recent
1.5-2 million Tea Bagger march on DC..calling it 70,000

Seems you Leftards simply cant even lie properly


They are 'No-Count'.

--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue
of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the
American public were misinformed regarding current events and that
those who got their information from Fox News were far and away the
most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

"John" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue
of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the
American public were misinformed regarding current events and that
those who got their information from Fox News were far and away the
most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be misinformed
when less than ten percent follow current events enough to pass an eighth
grade civics test? Or many times answer questions like: Who is Joe Biden?
What are the two sections of Congress? Who is Speaker of the House?

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please! And don't
use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your brain is
missing. More than half the population doesn't give a **** one way or the
other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten percent of those
really keep up to speed on current events.

Steve

SteveB wrote:
"John" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke
So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David

Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue
of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the
American public were misinformed regarding current events and that
those who got their information from Fox News were far and away the
most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be misinformed
when less than ten percent follow current events enough to pass an eighth
grade civics test? Or many times answer questions like: Who is Joe Biden?
What are the two sections of Congress? Who is Speaker of the House?

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please! And don't
use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your brain is
missing. More than half the population doesn't give a **** one way or the
other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten percent of those
really keep up to speed on current events.

Steve



Dam, Steve, I think he meant 50% of the people who could read the test!

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:35:47 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue
of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the
American public were misinformed regarding current events and that
those who got their information from Fox News were far and away the
most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be misinformed
when less than ten percent follow current events enough to pass an eighth
grade civics test? Or many times answer questions like: Who is Joe Biden?
What are the two sections of Congress? Who is Speaker of the House?

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please! And don't
use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your brain is
missing. More than half the population doesn't give a **** one way or the
other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten percent of those
really keep up to speed on current events.

Steve

Indeed. Very accurate indeed.
Seems John has again **** in his messkit.

Gunner

"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster

Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:35:47 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue
of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the
American public were misinformed regarding current events and that
those who got their information from Fox News were far and away the
most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be misinformed
when less than ten percent follow current events enough to pass an eighth
grade civics test? Or many times answer questions like: Who is Joe Biden?
What are the two sections of Congress? Who is Speaker of the House?

You just answer your own question. If 10% follow current events then
obviously the remaining 90%, who don't follow it, must be uninformed.
If we accept your numbers then the numbers of uninformed/misinformed
is far larger then S.A. reported. Perhaps you should contact them to
correct their data.

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please!

Read enough ? Isn't FOX a TV news thingie?

use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your brain is
missing. More than half the population doesn't give a **** one way or the
other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten percent of those
really keep up to speed on current events.

Steve

Regards,

J.B.

wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:35:47 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News
has been busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from
Minnesota, tried to get people to come to Washington to pressure
congressmen not to vote for health care reform. On Fox News they
showed shots of the crowd, and in the attempt to make it look
much bigger than it really was, they spliced in pictures from
another crowd on another day that was much larger. It was clear
deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed
the actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several
months ago. Trees and the weather were different. So once again
more proof that Fox News has a conservative agenda it's
aggressively pushing has come to light. Fox News...Busted! Quit
calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other
networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008
issue of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of
the American public were misinformed regarding current events and
that those who got their information from Fox News were far and
away the most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be
misinformed when less than ten percent follow current events enough
to pass an eighth grade civics test? Or many times answer questions
like: Who is Joe Biden? What are the two sections of Congress? Who
is Speaker of the House?

You just answer your own question. If 10% follow current events then
obviously the remaining 90%, who don't follow it, must be uninformed.
If we accept your numbers then the numbers of uninformed/misinformed
is far larger then S.A. reported. Perhaps you should contact them to
correct their data.

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please!

Read enough ? Isn't FOX a TV news thingie?

use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your
brain is missing. More than half the population doesn't give a ****
one way or the other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten
percent of those really keep up to speed on current events.


Friday, Nov 13, 2009 16:14 PST
The real deficit hawks
By David Sirota

Let's say you're a congressperson or "tea party" leader looking to champion
deficit reduction -- a cause 38 percent of Americans tell pollsters they
support. And let's say you're deciding whether to back two pieces of
imminent legislation.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the first bill's
spending provisions cost $100 billion annually and its tax and
budget-cutting provisions recoup $111 billion annually, thus reducing total
federal expenditures by $11 billion each year. The second bill proposes $636
billion in annual spending and recoups nothing. Over 10 years, the first
bill would spend $1 trillion and recover $1.11 trillion -- a fantastic
return on taxpayer investment. Meanwhile, the second bill puts us on a path
to spend $6.3 trillion in the same time.

Save $110 billion, or spend $6.3 trillion? If you're explicitly claiming the
mantle of fiscal prudence, this should be a no-brainer: You support the
first bill and oppose the second one.
Yet, in recent months, the opposite happened.

When the House considered a healthcare expansion proposal that the CBO says
will reduce the deficit by $11 billion a year, tea party protesters and
Congress' self-described "fiscal conservatives" opposed it on cost grounds.
At the same time, almost none of them objected when Congress passed a White
House-backed bill to spend $636 billion on defense in 2010.

The hypocrisy is stunning -- lots of "budget hawk" complaints about health
legislation reducing the deficit and few "budget hawk" complaints about
defense initiatives that, according to Government Executive magazine, "puts
the president on track to spend more on defense, in real dollars, than any
other president has in one term of office since World War II." And that
estimate doesn't even count additional spending on the Iraq and Afghanistan
wars.

So, as Bob Dole might ask, where's the public outrage at the contradiction?
It's nowhere. Well, why not?
One clear answer is values -- or lack thereof. In our militaristic culture,
we are taught to prioritize Pentagon spending over everything else.

Another less obvious answer is ignorance sown by skewed reporting.
The health bill's expenditures are typically described by reporters in
10-year, $1 trillion terms while defense spending is described -- if at
all -- as a one-year, $636 billion outlay. That can lead citizens to think
the healthcare bill will cost more than defense -- when, in fact, the
10-year comparison pits a $1 trillion healthcare bill against $6.3 trillion
in projected defense spending.

But even that's not apples to apples. Political headlines of late have all
been some version of Dow Jones newswire's recent screamer: "CBO Puts Health
Bill Cost At $1 Trillion." That's as true as an Enron press release touting
only one side of the company's ledger. Though the bill's expenditures do
total $1 trillion, the CBO confirms its other provisions recover more than
that, meaning headlines should read "CBO Says Health Bill Saves $110
Billion."

Not surprisingly, the media distortions are being trumpeted by the same
congressional hypocrites simultaneously backing bigger Pentagon budgets and
opposing health reform. Their dishonest arguments were summed up by Sen. Joe
Lieberman in a Fox News interview last week. Ignoring CBO data about the
health bill and the deficit, the Connecticut lawmaker (who voted for the
bloated defense bill) insisted health legislation must be stopped because it
will rack up "debt (that) can break America."

Only professional liars could cite concern about debt as reason to oppose a
healthcare bill reducing the debt -- and then vote for debt-expanding
defense budgets. Unfortunately, professional liars are the norm in today's
politics, not the exception -- and they're leading America off the fiscal
cliff.

http://www.salon.com/news/healthcare.../deficit_hawks



--
John R. Carroll

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:35:47 -0700, the infamous "SteveB"
scrawled the following:


"John" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue
of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the
American public were misinformed regarding current events and that
those who got their information from Fox News were far and away the
most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be misinformed
when less than ten percent follow current events enough to pass an eighth
grade civics test? Or many times answer questions like: Who is Joe Biden?
What are the two sections of Congress? Who is Speaker of the House?

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please! And don't
use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your brain is
missing. More than half the population doesn't give a **** one way or the
other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten percent of those
really keep up to speed on current events.

And _that_, ladles and jellybeans, is how the Joe & BamBam show got
booked into the Whitehouse and all the other (525, right?) turds keep
getting back into office.

--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:35:47 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News
has been busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from
Minnesota, tried to get people to come to Washington to pressure
congressmen not to vote for health care reform. On Fox News they
showed shots of the crowd, and in the attempt to make it look
much bigger than it really was, they spliced in pictures from
another crowd on another day that was much larger. It was clear
deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed
the actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several
months ago. Trees and the weather were different. So once again
more proof that Fox News has a conservative agenda it's
aggressively pushing has come to light. Fox News...Busted! Quit
calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other
networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008
issue of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of
the American public were misinformed regarding current events and
that those who got their information from Fox News were far and
away the most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be
misinformed when less than ten percent follow current events enough
to pass an eighth grade civics test? Or many times answer questions
like: Who is Joe Biden? What are the two sections of Congress? Who
is Speaker of the House?

You just answer your own question. If 10% follow current events then
obviously the remaining 90%, who don't follow it, must be uninformed.
If we accept your numbers then the numbers of uninformed/misinformed
is far larger then S.A. reported. Perhaps you should contact them to
correct their data.

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please!

Read enough ? Isn't FOX a TV news thingie?

use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your
brain is missing. More than half the population doesn't give a ****
one way or the other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten
percent of those really keep up to speed on current events.


Friday, Nov 13, 2009 16:14 PST
The real deficit hawks
By David Sirota

Let's say you're a congressperson or "tea party" leader looking to
champion
deficit reduction -- a cause 38 percent of Americans tell pollsters they
support. And let's say you're deciding whether to back two pieces of
imminent legislation.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the first bill's
spending provisions cost $100 billion annually and its tax and
budget-cutting provisions recoup $111 billion annually, thus reducing
total
federal expenditures by $11 billion each year. The second bill proposes
$636
billion in annual spending and recoups nothing. Over 10 years, the first
bill would spend $1 trillion and recover $1.11 trillion -- a fantastic
return on taxpayer investment. Meanwhile, the second bill puts us on a
path
to spend $6.3 trillion in the same time.

Save $110 billion, or spend $6.3 trillion? If you're explicitly claiming
the
mantle of fiscal prudence, this should be a no-brainer: You support the
first bill and oppose the second one.
Yet, in recent months, the opposite happened.

When the House considered a healthcare expansion proposal that the CBO
says
will reduce the deficit by $11 billion a year, tea party protesters and
Congress' self-described "fiscal conservatives" opposed it on cost
grounds.
At the same time, almost none of them objected when Congress passed a
White
House-backed bill to spend $636 billion on defense in 2010.

The hypocrisy is stunning -- lots of "budget hawk" complaints about health
legislation reducing the deficit and few "budget hawk" complaints about
defense initiatives that, according to Government Executive magazine,
"puts
the president on track to spend more on defense, in real dollars, than any
other president has in one term of office since World War II." And that
estimate doesn't even count additional spending on the Iraq and
Afghanistan
wars.

So, as Bob Dole might ask, where's the public outrage at the
contradiction?
It's nowhere. Well, why not?
One clear answer is values -- or lack thereof. In our militaristic
culture,
we are taught to prioritize Pentagon spending over everything else.

Another less obvious answer is ignorance sown by skewed reporting.
The health bill's expenditures are typically described by reporters in
10-year, $1 trillion terms while defense spending is described -- if at
all -- as a one-year, $636 billion outlay. That can lead citizens to think
the healthcare bill will cost more than defense -- when, in fact, the
10-year comparison pits a $1 trillion healthcare bill against $6.3
trillion
in projected defense spending.

But even that's not apples to apples. Political headlines of late have all
been some version of Dow Jones newswire's recent screamer: "CBO Puts
Health
Bill Cost At $1 Trillion." That's as true as an Enron press release
touting
only one side of the company's ledger. Though the bill's expenditures do
total $1 trillion, the CBO confirms its other provisions recover more than
that, meaning headlines should read "CBO Says Health Bill Saves $110
Billion."

Not surprisingly, the media distortions are being trumpeted by the same
congressional hypocrites simultaneously backing bigger Pentagon budgets
and
opposing health reform. Their dishonest arguments were summed up by Sen.
Joe
Lieberman in a Fox News interview last week. Ignoring CBO data about the
health bill and the deficit, the Connecticut lawmaker (who voted for the
bloated defense bill) insisted health legislation must be stopped because
it
will rack up "debt (that) can break America."

Only professional liars could cite concern about debt as reason to oppose
a
healthcare bill reducing the debt -- and then vote for debt-expanding
defense budgets. Unfortunately, professional liars are the norm in today's
politics, not the exception -- and they're leading America off the fiscal
cliff.

http://www.salon.com/news/healthcare.../deficit_hawks



--
John R. Carroll

I absolutely knew that if you posted enough things, that there would be one
thing we agreed on.

Steve

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:35:47 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has
been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to
get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they
spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much
larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that
Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue
of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the
American public were misinformed regarding current events and that
those who got their information from Fox News were far and away the
most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be misinformed
when less than ten percent follow current events enough to pass an eighth
grade civics test? Or many times answer questions like: Who is Joe Biden?
What are the two sections of Congress? Who is Speaker of the House?

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please! And don't
use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your brain is
missing. More than half the population doesn't give a **** one way or the
other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten percent of those
really keep up to speed on current events.

Steve

Indeed. Very accurate indeed.
Seems John has again **** in his messkit.

Gunner

People tend to have friends and neighbors who are a somewhat like they are,
so it shouldn't be a surprise that you and SteveB think the country is full
of ignorant buttheads.

But the report John is referring to probably was based on one from the Pew
Research Center for the People and the Press -- a somewhat conservative
organization -- that does these surveys periodically. For example, here are
the results from their study titled "What Americans Know," which was done in
2007 or 2008:

http://people-press.org/report/319/p...on-revolutions

As John says, the people who "regularly" watch FOX News Channel are the
bottom of the barrel -- again, about what one would expect. Among news
channels, those who watch PBS's Jim Lehrer are at the top; similarly, those
who read the mainstream media newspaper websites are on top of the online
news heap. Those who read blogs are near the bottom.

Interestingly, those who watch the pseudo-news/opinion channels also score
'way up there. People who watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report score
highest of all. g But those who watch O'Reilly and who listen to Limbaugh
also score near the top.

It's an interesting report. As you can see, the question that SteveB asks
about Pelosi was answered correctly by 49% of those surveyed. 69% (in 2007)
knew who the VP was. If only 10% of those he knows "follow current events,"
Steve might want to choose smarter friends, or move to a better
neighborhood. In your case, moving to a desert island probably would be a
better neighborhood.

Americans in general are a lot smarter than the ones you appear to know.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:53:00 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:35:47 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has
been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to
get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they
spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much
larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that
Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue
of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the
American public were misinformed regarding current events and that
those who got their information from Fox News were far and away the
most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be misinformed
when less than ten percent follow current events enough to pass an eighth
grade civics test? Or many times answer questions like: Who is Joe Biden?
What are the two sections of Congress? Who is Speaker of the House?

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please! And don't
use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your brain is
missing. More than half the population doesn't give a **** one way or the
other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten percent of those
really keep up to speed on current events.

Steve

Indeed. Very accurate indeed.
Seems John has again **** in his messkit.

Gunner

People tend to have friends and neighbors who are a somewhat like they are,
so it shouldn't be a surprise that you and SteveB think the country is full
of ignorant buttheads.

But the report John is referring to probably was based on one from the Pew
Research Center for the People and the Press -- a somewhat conservative
organization -- that does these surveys periodically. For example, here are
the results from their study titled "What Americans Know," which was done in
2007 or 2008:

http://people-press.org/report/319/p...on-revolutions

As John says, the people who "regularly" watch FOX News Channel are the
bottom of the barrel -- again, about what one would expect. Among news
channels, those who watch PBS's Jim Lehrer are at the top; similarly, those
who read the mainstream media newspaper websites are on top of the online
news heap. Those who read blogs are near the bottom.

Interestingly, those who watch the pseudo-news/opinion channels also score
'way up there. People who watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report score
highest of all. g But those who watch O'Reilly and who listen to Limbaugh
also score near the top.

That last one is surprising. Everybody I know who quotes those two
windbags is beyond help.

It's an interesting report. As you can see, the question that SteveB asks
about Pelosi was answered correctly by 49% of those surveyed. 69% (in 2007)
knew who the VP was. If only 10% of those he knows "follow current events,"
Steve might want to choose smarter friends, or move to a better
neighborhood. In your case, moving to a desert island probably would be a
better neighborhood.

Americans in general are a lot smarter than the ones you appear to know.

I can see how some people get a warped view, since a whole bunch of my
neighbors are like SteveB. One of them was berating me before the last
election about how Obama had been sworn in on the Koran. I told him
that the story had been thoroughly debunked, and his comeback was
"were you there?". Jeeze Louise. He was probably at this town hall
yesterday.
http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/mai...icleID=3462 7
Poor McCain. Can't even get a smooth ride in the heart of Tea Party
Crackpotville. :-)

Wayne

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:53:00 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:35:47 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has
been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to
get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and
in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they
spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger.
It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much
larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that
Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue
of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the
American public were misinformed regarding current events and that
those who got their information from Fox News were far and away the
most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be misinformed
when less than ten percent follow current events enough to pass an
eighth
grade civics test? Or many times answer questions like: Who is Joe
Biden?
What are the two sections of Congress? Who is Speaker of the House?

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please! And
don't
use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your brain is
missing. More than half the population doesn't give a **** one way or
the
other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten percent of those
really keep up to speed on current events.

Steve

Indeed. Very accurate indeed.
Seems John has again **** in his messkit.

Gunner

People tend to have friends and neighbors who are a somewhat like they
are,
so it shouldn't be a surprise that you and SteveB think the country is
full
of ignorant buttheads.

But the report John is referring to probably was based on one from the Pew
Research Center for the People and the Press -- a somewhat conservative
organization -- that does these surveys periodically. For example, here
are
the results from their study titled "What Americans Know," which was done
in
2007 or 2008:

http://people-press.org/report/319/p...on-revolutions

As John says, the people who "regularly" watch FOX News Channel are the
bottom of the barrel -- again, about what one would expect. Among news
channels, those who watch PBS's Jim Lehrer are at the top; similarly,
those
who read the mainstream media newspaper websites are on top of the online
news heap. Those who read blogs are near the bottom.

Interestingly, those who watch the pseudo-news/opinion channels also score
'way up there. People who watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report score
highest of all. g But those who watch O'Reilly and who listen to
Limbaugh
also score near the top.

That last one is surprising. Everybody I know who quotes those two
windbags is beyond help.

Well, as the report says, people who watch that entire group of "specialty"
news sources tend to be consumers of multiple media. And quite a few of the
core questions used for scoring are identity questions. It's hard to believe
that anyone who listens to Rush doesn't know who Nancy Pelosi is. g


It's an interesting report. As you can see, the question that SteveB asks
about Pelosi was answered correctly by 49% of those surveyed. 69% (in
2007)
knew who the VP was. If only 10% of those he knows "follow current
events,"
Steve might want to choose smarter friends, or move to a better
neighborhood. In your case, moving to a desert island probably would be a
better neighborhood.

Americans in general are a lot smarter than the ones you appear to know.

I can see how some people get a warped view, since a whole bunch of my
neighbors are like SteveB. One of them was berating me before the last
election about how Obama had been sworn in on the Koran. I told him
that the story had been thoroughly debunked, and his comeback was
"were you there?". Jeeze Louise. He was probably at this town hall
yesterday.
http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/mai...icleID=3462 7
Poor McCain. Can't even get a smooth ride in the heart of Tea Party
Crackpotville. :-)

Wayne

It must be hard to be John McCain right about now.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:33:23 -0700, wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:53:00 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:35:47 -0700, "SteveB"
wrote:


"John" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
wrote:

Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has
been
busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried to
get
people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote for
health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and in
the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they
spliced
in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much larger. It
was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look much
larger
than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart noticed the
actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several months ago.
Trees and the weather were different. So once again more proof that
Fox
News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing has come to
light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.


Hawke

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

David


Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue
of Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the
American public were misinformed regarding current events and that
those who got their information from Fox News were far and away the
most poorly informed.

Cheers,

John B.
(johnbslocomatgmaildotcom)

That is a damn outright lie. How can 50% of the populace be misinformed
when less than ten percent follow current events enough to pass an eighth
grade civics test? Or many times answer questions like: Who is Joe Biden?
What are the two sections of Congress? Who is Speaker of the House?

Fifty percent of people read enough to be misinformed? Please! And don't
use the excuse that it's MEDICAL marijuana, so it's okay. Your brain is
missing. More than half the population doesn't give a **** one way or the
other, and of the other fifty percent, only about ten percent of those
really keep up to speed on current events.

Steve

Indeed. Very accurate indeed.
Seems John has again **** in his messkit.

Gunner

The logic here is a bit strange. I **** in the mess kit because I
referenced a piece published in September 2008, which, as far as I can
find, was never refuted? Or was it a sin to even mention the
shortcomings of the U.S. news?

Or perhaps because that the report stated a majority of the people
interviewed believed that weapons of mass destruction were discovered
in Iraq?

People tend to have friends and neighbors who are a somewhat like they are,
so it shouldn't be a surprise that you and SteveB think the country is full
of ignorant buttheads.

But the report John is referring to probably was based on one from the Pew
Research Center for the People and the Press -- a somewhat conservative
organization -- that does these surveys periodically. For example, here are
the results from their study titled "What Americans Know," which was done in
2007 or 2008:

http://people-press.org/report/319/p...on-revolutions

As John says, the people who "regularly" watch FOX News Channel are the
bottom of the barrel -- again, about what one would expect. Among news
channels, those who watch PBS's Jim Lehrer are at the top; similarly, those
who read the mainstream media newspaper websites are on top of the online
news heap. Those who read blogs are near the bottom.

Interestingly, those who watch the pseudo-news/opinion channels also score
'way up there. People who watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report score
highest of all. g But those who watch O'Reilly and who listen to Limbaugh
also score near the top.

That last one is surprising. Everybody I know who quotes those two
windbags is beyond help.

It's an interesting report. As you can see, the question that SteveB asks
about Pelosi was answered correctly by 49% of those surveyed. 69% (in 2007)
knew who the VP was. If only 10% of those he knows "follow current events,"
Steve might want to choose smarter friends, or move to a better
neighborhood. In your case, moving to a desert island probably would be a
better neighborhood.

Americans in general are a lot smarter than the ones you appear to know.

I can see how some people get a warped view, since a whole bunch of my
neighbors are like SteveB. One of them was berating me before the last
election about how Obama had been sworn in on the Koran. I told him
that the story had been thoroughly debunked, and his comeback was
"were you there?". Jeeze Louise. He was probably at this town hall
yesterday.
http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/mai...icleID=3462 7
Poor McCain. Can't even get a smooth ride in the heart of Tea Party
Crackpotville. :-)

Wayne

The interesting thing is how quickly people seem to accept "facts"
regarding things about which they are totally ignorant. The story
about Obama attending a "Moslem school" in Indonesia. There has been
many reports published which even correctly state the name of the
school - which translates to English as National School #1. Even the
name of the school illustrates that it wasn't a "madrassa" as Moslem
schools are known in Indonesia.

Of course, it was in a Moslem country too.... Except that the
constitution of Indonesia doesn't specify any religion as official but
simply says that we all believe in god and are free to worship as we
choose.

But what do I know? I only lived there for 20 years...
Regards,

J.B.

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Interestingly, those who watch the pseudo-news/opinion channels also score
'way up there. People who watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report score
highest of all. g But those who watch O'Reilly and who listen to Limbaugh
also score near the top.

So where does that put me. I watch or listen all 4 of them. Colbert is the most
talented.

Wes

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Interestingly, those who watch the pseudo-news/opinion channels also score
'way up there. People who watch the Daily Show and Colbert Report score
highest of all. g But those who watch O'Reilly and who listen to
Limbaugh
also score near the top.

So where does that put me. I watch or listen all 4 of them. Colbert is
the most
talented.

Wes

I don't know where they'd put you. You'd have to look at the methodology.
But, as I said in a subsequent post, they did comment that people who watch
those shows tend to seek out multiple sources. In other words, they're often
newshounds.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:50:43 +0700, John wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:26:50 -0600, "David R.Birch"
Hawke wrote:
Thanks to the Daily show another fast one attempted by Fox News has
been busted. Michelle Bachman, a representative from Minnesota, tried
to get people to come to Washington to pressure congressmen not to vote
for health care reform. On Fox News they showed shots of the crowd, and
in the attempt to make it look much bigger than it really was, they
spliced in pictures from another crowd on another day that was much
larger. It was clear deception intended to make Bachman's turn out look
much larger than it really was. Unfortunately for them John Stewart
noticed the actual crowd scene was not the one that happened several
months ago. Trees and the weather were different. So once again more
proof that Fox News has a conservative agenda it's aggressively pushing
has come to light. Fox News...Busted! Quit calling it news.

So you're saying Fox is no more trustworthy than the other networks?

Is this news to you?

Do you look at ABC, NBC And CBS as critically as you do Fox?

Actually, there was a study, published in the 31 September 2008 issue of
Scientific American, which showed that between 25 - 50% of the American
public were misinformed regarding current events and that those who got
their information from Fox News were far and away the most poorly
informed.

I ditched "'Scientific' American" decades ago, when they became a
mouthpiece for the Church of Warmingism.

Cheers!
Rich

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

So where does that put me. I watch or listen all 4 of them. Colbert is
the most
talented.

Wes

I don't know where they'd put you. You'd have to look at the methodology.
But, as I said in a subsequent post, they did comment that people who watch
those shows tend to seek out multiple sources. In other words, they're often
newshounds.


I count on Stewart to give me the liberal perspective on things. He is a lot like
Limbaugh but oriented to the liberal side. I'd venture to say Stewart is more ideological
than Limbaugh.

Colbert will take more shots at the left when they mess up than Stewart ever will. I know
Colbert isn't a conservative but formula easier to watch and get a chuckle out of. Btw,
when he let General Odierno shave it for the troops, he made me a fan for life.

O'Reily, I have no clue where he is. I think he has a formula, iow, I think he may be
faking it a bit on some issues.

Perhaps I know that I'm getting spun from each side. Each side doesn't see it's
fallacies.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

"Wes" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:

So where does that put me. I watch or listen all 4 of them. Colbert is
the most
talented.

Wes

I don't know where they'd put you. You'd have to look at the methodology.
But, as I said in a subsequent post, they did comment that people who
watch
those shows tend to seek out multiple sources. In other words, they're
often
newshounds.


I count on Stewart to give me the liberal perspective on things. He is a
lot like
Limbaugh but oriented to the liberal side. I'd venture to say Stewart is
more ideological
than Limbaugh.

Colbert will take more shots at the left when they mess up than Stewart
ever will. I know
Colbert isn't a conservative but formula easier to watch and get a chuckle
out of. Btw,
when he let General Odierno shave it for the troops, he made me a fan for
life.

O'Reily, I have no clue where he is. I think he has a formula, iow, I
think he may be
faking it a bit on some issues.

Perhaps I know that I'm getting spun from each side. Each side doesn't
see it's
fallacies.

Wes

Stewart and Colbert are comedians, on the Comedy Central network. The other
two run opinion talk shows.

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Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:

Stewart and Colbert are comedians, on the Comedy Central network. The other
two run opinion talk shows.

And the difference is...?

David

"David R.Birch" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:

Stewart and Colbert are comedians, on the Comedy Central network. The
other two run opinion talk shows.

And the difference is...?

David

The first are meant to be funny. They're satire. The second are supposedly
straight commentary -- which often makes them funny, too, but it's
unintentional in their case.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
"David R.Birch" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

Stewart and Colbert are comedians, on the Comedy Central network. The
other two run opinion talk shows.
And the difference is...?

David

The first are meant to be funny. They're satire. The second are supposedly
straight commentary -- which often makes them funny, too, but it's
unintentional in their case.

I classify them all as newsclowns, a term I borrow from Philip K. Dick.

I usually watch CBS, but it doesn't really matter which newsclown is
lying to me.

David

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:39:06 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


Stewart and Colbert are comedians, on the Comedy Central network. The other
two run opinion talk shows.

Here's another difference - try a web search for "oreilly lies" or
"limbaugh lies". Then do the same for stewart and colbert. There's no
comparison.

Wayne

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

The first are meant to be funny. They're satire. The second are supposedly
straight commentary -- which often makes them funny, too, but it's
unintentional in their case.

Rush never claimed to be straight commentary. He often mentions that he uses satire in
making his points.


Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller