On Oct 5, 3:18*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:33:59 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Buerste" wrote in message
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It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the **** out
of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming.
But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are you expecting
losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

Why bother asking him? First he says he's willing to invest in an
asinine new hire, then he says he won't invest because of the dems.
It's all horse**** that may as well be coming directly off gummer's
keyboard.

Ha-ha! Tom is a smart guy. I've talked to him on the phone. He just likes to
play part-time troll, by his own admission. There's no doubt that he knows
he's gotten himself into some circular logic here, but it's fun to watch him
pace around the corral, thinking he's still a racehorse. d8-)



And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to buy
your company from you? Are they stupid?

I don't believe a word of that stuff, or his claims of being wealthy.

Oh, he's doing quite well. He inherited a business and he's grown it quite a
bit.



And if you expect losses but there
are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell aren't you
selling?

He'll probably say that he doesn't need the money.

Actually, I don't think he does. But his arguments make it sound like he's
hanging on by his fingernails.

Oh wait, I see that
he claims to be waiting for 2010. After the fantasy revolution one
presumes, when he plans to make some real money in the coffin biz.
'Cause we all know the premium that dead dems who don't work and are
all on the dole snorf will pay for their burials.

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

No kidding. He jumped the shark a long time ago when he got to the
point that he could no longer make it through most of his posts
without scapegoating "libtards" or whatever. Now he's demanding Usenet
apologies. Now *there's* a surefire strategy that could only come from
a deep-thinking business owner! *:-)

Wayne

Think "hobby troller." That's Tom. He's much more sensible in real life.

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Aw...so he was born with the silver spoon in his mouth...just like
Baby Bush.

That explains much of the ranting.

TMT

On Oct 5, 3:37*pm, "John R. Carroll" wrote:
Buerste wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:57:24 -0400, "Buerste"
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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On Oct 4, 7:09 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:

It makes it even MORE economically attractive for Tom to invest
in new, more
productive equipment, so he can compete. Reducing wages then
moves his equilibrium point up for a while, and then it just
reduces aggregate demand.
Individually, Tom won't notice it. But if other small businessmen
do the
same thing, we'll all notice it.

But investing on more productive equipment means that Tom can
employ fewer workers. *So this is not where the jobs are going to
come from.

First, if you're right about that, then Tom is perpetuating a
fraud when he ties his investment to hiring more workers. g But
that's not right. If he's adding to equipment he'll have to add
workers. If he REPLACES old
equipment with new, he *may* be able to reduce the number of
workers. But
that's not likely. It would take a lot of investment, and his ROI
probably
wouldn't stand up, in comparison with simply *adding* some new
capacity to
increase his output.

--
Ed Huntress

Your imaginary model of my business is so far off the mark I don't
even know
where to BEGIN to correct you.
A. *I don't HAVE any old equipment, haven't you been reading my
posts for the past ten years?
B. *I have drastically reduced the number of man-hours per product.
C. *I don't buy equipment, I design and build it for the costs of
material and labor...no bank loans.
D. *My equipment is beyond state of the art.
E. *I have plenty of excess capacity in some areas and I run
overtime in other areas. *It depends on the market, the Democrats
have destroyed the industrial market...guess where my excess
capacity is? *But I don't need it
and idle machines don't eat anything.

I get four or more good, legitimate offers for my company every
year and many more bull**** ones. *I can sell and retire any time I
want for more than I can ever spend. *I must have done some things
right, so I trust my OWN judgment and instincts a whole lot more
than yours.

Why don't you come and visit?

Because Ed has been largely a failure in Business and has spent his
last several years doing "craftsman" type work.

Id be surprised if he could turn a crank on any machine without some
serious thought and some outside prodding.

Having his world view of others and his OWN sucesses invalidated
would give him a serious case of the Ass..so dont expect him to
visit any time soon.

Gunner

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the
clean end.

I like Ed, he just has brain-lock. *What makes a person go liberal?
It makes no sense, it's like they never think anything through or
can't get past the Kool-Aid induced synaptic short-circuits. *The
worst part is that they THINK they have superior thoughts. *My
brother and sister in law (both lawyers) are even worse liberals,
they make 1/4 mil a year between then yet they are always broke and
over extended. *It REALLY busted their chops when their oldest boy
joined the Army with the intention of Army Intel., just passed Ranger
school and eventually wants in to the FBI. *They break out in red
blotches every time I mention it.(hee hee hee)

(hee hee hee) those blotches were more likely the result of them thinking
about the increased odds they might live to bury their son.
I don't see anything "hee hee hee" funny about that.
That you do is even less amusing.

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It also tells us that his brother and sister-in-law have an A-hole for
a relative.

Having any American dying for his Country is never "hee hee hee"
funny.

TMT

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:15:40 -0400, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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The latest Rasmussen poll shows an exact split: 44% trust Democrats more
on health care; 44% trust Republicans more.

You should get out more, Tom. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


Well then, I'm in the 44%

I don't trust -either- of those corrupt parties. Vive la 12%!

--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:20:36 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:41:18 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:49:08 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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In California..small business is dying like flies in a Raid filled
room.

And large business is dying as well.


And why don't libtards get that?

Because Libtards think that the Obamassiah is working to make the
country Better..IE health care and free child care.

Damned shame they will soon be living out of their cars..or a big old
reefer or washer and dryer box and wondering how they are going to fix
their kids something to eat.

That is not going to happen. After all, What kids?

Did they sell their children?

The ones they don't abort they give to the nanny state to indoctrinate.

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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You don't have your shop-made equipment on your books?? How do you
report your assets when you go for a loan? Don't you have business
property taxes in Ohio? Tom, Tom...have you undervalued your assets?
g


My accountant states that I can't take $2k in steel and $2k in parts
and $5k in labor and capitalize it as a $50k machine...which is what
it would cost to buy it or have it built. We write it off as shop
expense, perfectly legal. As far as assets for loans, the building
and property, paid for, more than cover any loans we would want.

If $9,000 is all you invest in a machine, then, it doesn't sound like
you're inhibited in your investments by whatever it is you're
complaining about.

I still don't get how you're claiming that costs are keeping you from
investing, but I don't think I'm going to learn much from this
go-around.

--
Ed Huntress


It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming. But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are you
expecting losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to buy
your company from you? Are they stupid? And if you expect losses but
there are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell aren't
you selling?

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

--
Ed Huntress


The Democrats will be out of power in 2010, I'll hold out. If I sell
now, what would I do? Sit at home?

You could go practice with your Mini-14, for the revolution Gunner says is
coming.

What if you hold out, and you're wrong? By then, if you're right, your
business will be worth nothing, right? Where will the buyers be then?
Where will the customers be?

--
Ed Huntress


Well, if libtards have their way, it won't matter. After the nuclear
exchanges that Obama and his minions will cause, after half the country is
living in tent cities due to Democrats destroying the economy further, after
domestic manufacturing is either owned by the government, shut down or moved
out, after libtard cheese-checks loose their value to buy 40s and drugs,
after everybody has free health care but nobody to pay for it, after CO2
production is eliminated(with all jobs, heat and transportation), after all
that...I will be long gone out of the US...just like the rest of American
jobs.

I shouldn't have sold my Gibbs, it could "pink-mist" at 1,000 yards,
although I would have needed to upgrade the optics. I saw a nice Zeiss for
about $1,000 at Midwest, I wonder If I could get a government grant for
improving the environment?

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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Oh, he's doing quite well. He inherited a business and he's grown it quite
a bit.

I didn't inherit the business, I bought out the four principles and just
finishes paying off the last one after 12 years. I understand that doesn't
sound as good but those ARE the facts.

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
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On Oct 5, 3:18 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:33:59 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Buerste" wrote in message
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It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out
of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming.
But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are you
expecting
losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

Why bother asking him? First he says he's willing to invest in an
asinine new hire, then he says he won't invest because of the dems.
It's all horse**** that may as well be coming directly off gummer's
keyboard.

Ha-ha! Tom is a smart guy. I've talked to him on the phone. He just likes
to
play part-time troll, by his own admission. There's no doubt that he knows
he's gotten himself into some circular logic here, but it's fun to watch
him
pace around the corral, thinking he's still a racehorse. d8-)



And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to buy
your company from you? Are they stupid?

I don't believe a word of that stuff, or his claims of being wealthy.

Oh, he's doing quite well. He inherited a business and he's grown it quite
a
bit.



And if you expect losses but there
are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell aren't you
selling?

He'll probably say that he doesn't need the money.

Actually, I don't think he does. But his arguments make it sound like he's
hanging on by his fingernails.

Oh wait, I see that
he claims to be waiting for 2010. After the fantasy revolution one
presumes, when he plans to make some real money in the coffin biz.
'Cause we all know the premium that dead dems who don't work and are
all on the dole snorf will pay for their burials.

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

No kidding. He jumped the shark a long time ago when he got to the
point that he could no longer make it through most of his posts
without scapegoating "libtards" or whatever. Now he's demanding Usenet
apologies. Now *there's* a surefire strategy that could only come from
a deep-thinking business owner! :-)

Wayne

Think "hobby troller." That's Tom. He's much more sensible in real life.

--
Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Aw...so he was born with the silver spoon in his mouth...just like
Baby Bush.

That explains much of the ranting.

TMT

*********************

WRONG AGAIN! I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals out.

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
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Buerste wrote:
"Ignoramus16938" wrote in
message ...
On 2009-10-03, Buerste wrote:

"Ignoramus16474" wrote in
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Some people seem to believe that with more taxes, people will tend
to work less and businesses will hire less.

This view is, at best, simplistic, and at worst, less than sincere.

I would like to point out that it is much more complicated than
that and effects of taxation, outside of extremes like 100% taxes,
are not nearly as obvious.

Here's an example.

... example snipped...


From a different point of view, consider the effect of taxing the
business
that provides that $100/hr job. Can the business expend capital
(risk) to
expand and hire more $100 workers? Or, buy new equipment built by
companies
that hire other $100/hr workers? With more capital going into the
bottomless pit of government, there is less capital available to
hire people
and buy equipment. Less money in the whole system means less
presents for
mistresses, less demand for all sorts of goods which leads to less
production and less jobs.

That's a good question and it took me a couple of days to think about
it.

The standard approach here is to say that any taxes on businesses
that are in a competitive industry, in the long run, are borne by
their customers, by way of paying a higher price for goods.

If we assume that a certain degree of business risk would demand a
certain amount of return on capital, the above makes sense.

In my little world, my accounts are in great shape, I'm lucky enough
to be almost recession proof. BUT, I'm not risking ANYTHING! The
standing order is not to buy anything we don't absolutely have to
have and watch every penny. No landscaping projects, no new
lunchroom furniture, no new computers, no luxuries!

These are uncertain times, the health care fiasco, the cap-n-tax
scam, and the massive spending of this administration frighten the
hell out of me...why should I risk? I will just hunker down and
wait for the end of this administration. And, if I don't risk, the
landscapers, computer makers, furniture makers and luxury makers LAY
PEOPLE OFF!!! It's not just me, it's most small business owners in
general feel the same way. No mater what the liberals say, it won't
change this. PLEASE, TELL ME YOU GET IT!

I do get it. But I think that you are overstating effects on changes
in tax rates on your business. Also, and more specifically to the
issue of alternatives to higher taxes, the effects of inflation are
more deleterious in many respects, and create even more business
uncertainty, than higher taxes.

i

I can't raise prices, I have year-long contract and I have to compete
with foreign competitors that don't have these taxes and other
bureaucratic expenses. It's true that other businesses can just pass
these costs on, but I can't.

Sure you can Tom.
Once a year.


--
John R. Carroll



The batteries in my crystal ball are weak.

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:39:24 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
news

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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You don't have your shop-made equipment on your books?? How do you
report your assets when you go for a loan? Don't you have business
property taxes in Ohio? Tom, Tom...have you undervalued your assets?
g


My accountant states that I can't take $2k in steel and $2k in parts
and $5k in labor and capitalize it as a $50k machine...which is what
it would cost to buy it or have it built. We write it off as shop
expense, perfectly legal. As far as assets for loans, the building
and property, paid for, more than cover any loans we would want.

If $9,000 is all you invest in a machine, then, it doesn't sound like
you're inhibited in your investments by whatever it is you're
complaining about.

I still don't get how you're claiming that costs are keeping you from
investing, but I don't think I'm going to learn much from this
go-around.

--
Ed Huntress


It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming. But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are you
expecting losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to buy
your company from you? Are they stupid? And if you expect losses but
there are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell aren't
you selling?

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

--
Ed Huntress


The Democrats will be out of power in 2010, I'll hold out. If I sell
now, what would I do? Sit at home?

You could go practice with your Mini-14, for the revolution Gunner says is
coming.

What if you hold out, and you're wrong? By then, if you're right, your
business will be worth nothing, right? Where will the buyers be then?
Where will the customers be?

--
Ed Huntress


Well, if libtards have their way, it won't matter. After the nuclear
exchanges that Obama and his minions will cause, after half the country is
living in tent cities due to Democrats destroying the economy further, after
domestic manufacturing is either owned by the government, shut down or moved
out, after libtard cheese-checks loose their value to buy 40s and drugs,
after everybody has free health care but nobody to pay for it, after CO2
production is eliminated(with all jobs, heat and transportation), after all
that...I will be long gone out of the US...just like the rest of American
jobs.

I shouldn't have sold my Gibbs, it could "pink-mist" at 1,000 yards,
although I would have needed to upgrade the optics. I saw a nice Zeiss for
about $1,000 at Midwest, I wonder If I could get a government grant for
improving the environment?

Hummmm...I like that concept....I wonder...hummm...I wonder if we could
get a grant for Optics?

I LIKE IT!!!!


Gunner Asch

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:47:29 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
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On Oct 5, 3:18 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:33:59 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out
of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming.
But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are you
expecting
losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

Why bother asking him? First he says he's willing to invest in an
asinine new hire, then he says he won't invest because of the dems.
It's all horse**** that may as well be coming directly off gummer's
keyboard.

Ha-ha! Tom is a smart guy. I've talked to him on the phone. He just likes
to
play part-time troll, by his own admission. There's no doubt that he knows
he's gotten himself into some circular logic here, but it's fun to watch
him
pace around the corral, thinking he's still a racehorse. d8-)



And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to buy
your company from you? Are they stupid?

I don't believe a word of that stuff, or his claims of being wealthy.

Oh, he's doing quite well. He inherited a business and he's grown it quite
a
bit.



And if you expect losses but there
are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell aren't you
selling?

He'll probably say that he doesn't need the money.

Actually, I don't think he does. But his arguments make it sound like he's
hanging on by his fingernails.

Oh wait, I see that
he claims to be waiting for 2010. After the fantasy revolution one
presumes, when he plans to make some real money in the coffin biz.
'Cause we all know the premium that dead dems who don't work and are
all on the dole snorf will pay for their burials.

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

No kidding. He jumped the shark a long time ago when he got to the
point that he could no longer make it through most of his posts
without scapegoating "libtards" or whatever. Now he's demanding Usenet
apologies. Now *there's* a surefire strategy that could only come from
a deep-thinking business owner! :-)

Wayne

Think "hobby troller." That's Tom. He's much more sensible in real life.

--
Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Aw...so he was born with the silver spoon in his mouth...just like
Baby Bush.

That explains much of the ranting.

TMT

*********************

WRONG AGAIN! I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. Nasty


Gunner

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:39:24 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
news
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
You don't have your shop-made equipment on your books?? How do you
report your assets when you go for a loan? Don't you have business
property taxes in Ohio? Tom, Tom...have you undervalued your
assets?
g


My accountant states that I can't take $2k in steel and $2k in
parts
and $5k in labor and capitalize it as a $50k machine...which is
what
it would cost to buy it or have it built. We write it off as shop
expense, perfectly legal. As far as assets for loans, the building
and property, paid for, more than cover any loans we would want.

If $9,000 is all you invest in a machine, then, it doesn't sound
like
you're inhibited in your investments by whatever it is you're
complaining about.

I still don't get how you're claiming that costs are keeping you
from
investing, but I don't think I'm going to learn much from this
go-around.

--
Ed Huntress


It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming. But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are
you
expecting losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to
buy
your company from you? Are they stupid? And if you expect losses but
there are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell
aren't
you selling?

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

--
Ed Huntress


The Democrats will be out of power in 2010, I'll hold out. If I sell
now, what would I do? Sit at home?

You could go practice with your Mini-14, for the revolution Gunner says
is
coming.

What if you hold out, and you're wrong? By then, if you're right, your
business will be worth nothing, right? Where will the buyers be then?
Where will the customers be?

--
Ed Huntress


Well, if libtards have their way, it won't matter. After the nuclear
exchanges that Obama and his minions will cause, after half the country is
living in tent cities due to Democrats destroying the economy further,
after
domestic manufacturing is either owned by the government, shut down or
moved
out, after libtard cheese-checks loose their value to buy 40s and drugs,
after everybody has free health care but nobody to pay for it, after CO2
production is eliminated(with all jobs, heat and transportation), after
all
that...I will be long gone out of the US...just like the rest of American
jobs.

I shouldn't have sold my Gibbs, it could "pink-mist" at 1,000 yards,
although I would have needed to upgrade the optics. I saw a nice Zeiss
for
about $1,000 at Midwest, I wonder If I could get a government grant for
improving the environment?

Hummmm...I like that concept....I wonder...hummm...I wonder if we could
get a grant for Optics?

I LIKE IT!!!!


Gunner Asch


Isn't the technology amazing? Don't you wish you had the tools they make
today back in the day? Your job would have been much easier.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
snip
WRONG AGAIN! I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. Nasty


Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left? And, I guess the
left in general. Notice the ones that fling the most lies and innuendoes
are the furthest from admitting that their constellation of libtard stars
are swirling around the toilet. Remember the movie "The Man Who Would Be
King"? As soon as Sean Connery got cut and showed he wasn't a god, the
people turned on him. Well, Obama and his minions are bleeding, they've
lost all respect here and overseas, he's not a god anymore and the people
are turning on him...even reasonable Democrats. I LOVE it!

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:52:58 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:39:24 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
news
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
You don't have your shop-made equipment on your books?? How do you
report your assets when you go for a loan? Don't you have business
property taxes in Ohio? Tom, Tom...have you undervalued your
assets?
g


My accountant states that I can't take $2k in steel and $2k in
parts
and $5k in labor and capitalize it as a $50k machine...which is
what
it would cost to buy it or have it built. We write it off as shop
expense, perfectly legal. As far as assets for loans, the building
and property, paid for, more than cover any loans we would want.

If $9,000 is all you invest in a machine, then, it doesn't sound
like
you're inhibited in your investments by whatever it is you're
complaining about.

I still don't get how you're claiming that costs are keeping you
from
investing, but I don't think I'm going to learn much from this
go-around.

--
Ed Huntress


It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming. But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are
you
expecting losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to
buy
your company from you? Are they stupid? And if you expect losses but
there are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell
aren't
you selling?

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

--
Ed Huntress


The Democrats will be out of power in 2010, I'll hold out. If I sell
now, what would I do? Sit at home?

You could go practice with your Mini-14, for the revolution Gunner says
is
coming.

What if you hold out, and you're wrong? By then, if you're right, your
business will be worth nothing, right? Where will the buyers be then?
Where will the customers be?

--
Ed Huntress


Well, if libtards have their way, it won't matter. After the nuclear
exchanges that Obama and his minions will cause, after half the country is
living in tent cities due to Democrats destroying the economy further,
after
domestic manufacturing is either owned by the government, shut down or
moved
out, after libtard cheese-checks loose their value to buy 40s and drugs,
after everybody has free health care but nobody to pay for it, after CO2
production is eliminated(with all jobs, heat and transportation), after
all
that...I will be long gone out of the US...just like the rest of American
jobs.

I shouldn't have sold my Gibbs, it could "pink-mist" at 1,000 yards,
although I would have needed to upgrade the optics. I saw a nice Zeiss
for
about $1,000 at Midwest, I wonder If I could get a government grant for
improving the environment?

Hummmm...I like that concept....I wonder...hummm...I wonder if we could
get a grant for Optics?

I LIKE IT!!!!


Gunner Asch


Isn't the technology amazing? Don't you wish you had the tools they make
today back in the day? Your job would have been much easier.


Hell yes. I could have killed more, and limped less today.



Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:09:00 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
snip
WRONG AGAIN! I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. Nasty


Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left? And, I guess the
left in general. Notice the ones that fling the most lies and innuendoes
are the furthest from admitting that their constellation of libtard stars
are swirling around the toilet. Remember the movie "The Man Who Would Be
King"? As soon as Sean Connery got cut and showed he wasn't a god, the
people turned on him. Well, Obama and his minions are bleeding, they've
lost all respect here and overseas, he's not a god anymore and the people
are turning on him...even reasonable Democrats. I LOVE it!


VBG

When stalwart citizens like you start laughing at the antics of the
Government...with them only being in office 10 months...and their poll
ratings falling like a rock...it means that they are utter failures at
what they were elected to.

And they have 3 yrs left. Well...shrug...only if my vision was wrong.

Its fascinating to see the polls that have conservatives are now ranking
high numbers over virtually ALL Demonrats..and its still 18 months or so
before the next election.

Of course...if my vision was right.....shrug...they start dying in only
a couple years or less.

Frankly..I hope Im right..Id hate to have 1 out of 6 wrong. Id start
wondering if Id lost the talent after 55 yrs/5 of them 100% correct.

But if Im right..its going to be very very ugly for a while.
Works for me to see the Left decimated, wiped out, on the run, made
helpless/worthless, no longer traitors to the Founders goals and the
Constitution and the Nation. Dead or in flight.

Works for me.

Got your leftwinger picked out yet? No big deal..you have some time
yet. But make a mental list..and when the time comes..strike hard....
and walk away into the crowd. Or pick a high secure hide and wait with
your scoped rifle......

Leaderless resistance is nearly impossible to stop.

And Ill be sitting on the porch, playing dirges for the Left on the 5
string...and cheering as the body counts come over the radio.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson, 1787

15 million people who have picked out their very own
leftwinger.....might run out of leftwingers in a very very short time.
Even the little fish.......

VBG


Gunner Asch


Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:09:00 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
snip
WRONG AGAIN! I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals
out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. Nasty


Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left? And, I guess
the
left in general. Notice the ones that fling the most lies and innuendoes
are the furthest from admitting that their constellation of libtard stars
are swirling around the toilet. Remember the movie "The Man Who Would Be
King"? As soon as Sean Connery got cut and showed he wasn't a god, the
people turned on him. Well, Obama and his minions are bleeding, they've
lost all respect here and overseas, he's not a god anymore and the people
are turning on him...even reasonable Democrats. I LOVE it!


VBG

When stalwart citizens like you start laughing at the antics of the
Government...with them only being in office 10 months...and their poll
ratings falling like a rock...it means that they are utter failures at
what they were elected to.

And they have 3 yrs left. Well...shrug...only if my vision was wrong.

Its fascinating to see the polls that have conservatives are now ranking
high numbers over virtually ALL Demonrats..and its still 18 months or so
before the next election.

Of course...if my vision was right.....shrug...they start dying in only
a couple years or less.

Frankly..I hope Im right..Id hate to have 1 out of 6 wrong. Id start
wondering if Id lost the talent after 55 yrs/5 of them 100% correct.

But if Im right..its going to be very very ugly for a while.
Works for me to see the Left decimated, wiped out, on the run, made
helpless/worthless, no longer traitors to the Founders goals and the
Constitution and the Nation. Dead or in flight.

Works for me.

Got your leftwinger picked out yet? No big deal..you have some time
yet. But make a mental list..and when the time comes..strike hard....
and walk away into the crowd. Or pick a high secure hide and wait with
your scoped rifle......

Leaderless resistance is nearly impossible to stop.

And Ill be sitting on the porch, playing dirges for the Left on the 5
string...and cheering as the body counts come over the radio.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson, 1787

15 million people who have picked out their very own
leftwinger.....might run out of leftwingers in a very very short time.
Even the little fish.......

VBG


Gunner Asch


Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean
end.

It might be that you see a symbolic representation of the drastic fall of
the libtard power base. Even SNL and some of the networks have turned on
them...there's blood in the water (figuratively speaking) and like Sean
Connery, the king is no longer a god! Now he's being de-kingafied! Even
the black people at the plant hate him and the asshole Democrats. Talk
about buyers' remorse! Obama's making Carter look good. It looks like we
won't have to wait until 2010 for the libtards to lose power, it's happening
NOW!

I AM doing a half-hour at the range every week. So far, my 1911 is holding
the best groups for centerfires, but I haven't taken my Model 19 yet.
Practice-practice-practice!

On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:04:58 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
scrawled the following:

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:39:24 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

You could go practice with your Mini-14, for the revolution Gunner says is
coming.

What if you hold out, and you're wrong? By then, if you're right, your
business will be worth nothing, right? Where will the buyers be then?
Where will the customers be?

--
Ed Huntress


Well, if libtards have their way, it won't matter. After the nuclear
exchanges that Obama and his minions will cause, after half the country is
living in tent cities due to Democrats destroying the economy further, after
domestic manufacturing is either owned by the government, shut down or moved
out, after libtard cheese-checks loose their value to buy 40s and drugs,
after everybody has free health care but nobody to pay for it, after CO2
production is eliminated(with all jobs, heat and transportation), after all
that...I will be long gone out of the US...just like the rest of American
jobs.

I shouldn't have sold my Gibbs, it could "pink-mist" at 1,000 yards,
although I would have needed to upgrade the optics. I saw a nice Zeiss for
about $1,000 at Midwest, I wonder If I could get a government grant for
improving the environment?

Hummmm...I like that concept....I wonder...hummm...I wonder if we could
get a grant for Optics?

I LIKE IT!!!!

Yeah, just go to the NEA (the art one) and call it a grant for "art"!

Let's see, if I get a grant for optics art, then find that the old SKS
ain't good enough, do you suppose they'd give me another grant to
upgrade the bottom half to a Barrett? Hell, I'd even settle for a 98
Bravo. (.338 Lapua Mag) 'Course their M82A1 would be a better Mile
Mister(tmLJ), though.

--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
snip
Oh, he's doing quite well. He inherited a business and he's grown it
quite a bit.

I didn't inherit the business, I bought out the four principles and just
finishes paying off the last one after 12 years. I understand that
doesn't sound as good but those ARE the facts.

OK. I thought a relative was involved. My mistake.

--
Ed Huntress

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
snip
WRONG AGAIN! I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. Nasty


Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left?

Hey, I said it was a mistake. Sorry. I thought you said you inherited it.
Not exactly a big deal.

And, I guess the left in general. Notice the ones that fling the most
lies and innuendoes are the furthest from admitting that their
constellation of libtard stars are swirling around the toilet. Remember
the movie "The Man Who Would Be King"? As soon as Sean Connery got cut
and showed he wasn't a god, the people turned on him. Well, Obama and his
minions are bleeding, they've lost all respect here and overseas, he's not
a god anymore and the people are turning on him...even reasonable
Democrats. I LOVE it!

Tom, you've got to get out of Cleveland more and see what's going on in the
United States. The latest polls show Obama's overall approval rating at
53% -- virtually the same as the percentage of the vote that he won in the
election.

That's the same as Ronnie's term average, and roughly the same as his
approval rating at this point in his first term. Reagan's overall term
average in the Gallup Polls was 52.8% and he dropped below 44% twice during
his term.

It wasn't until 1989, years after he was out of office, that he was given
sainthood. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
news

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...
You don't have your shop-made equipment on your books?? How do you
report your assets when you go for a loan? Don't you have business
property taxes in Ohio? Tom, Tom...have you undervalued your
assets? g


My accountant states that I can't take $2k in steel and $2k in parts
and $5k in labor and capitalize it as a $50k machine...which is what
it would cost to buy it or have it built. We write it off as shop
expense, perfectly legal. As far as assets for loans, the building
and property, paid for, more than cover any loans we would want.

If $9,000 is all you invest in a machine, then, it doesn't sound like
you're inhibited in your investments by whatever it is you're
complaining about.

I still don't get how you're claiming that costs are keeping you from
investing, but I don't think I'm going to learn much from this
go-around.

--
Ed Huntress


It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming. But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are
you expecting losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to
buy your company from you? Are they stupid? And if you expect losses
but there are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell
aren't you selling?

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

--
Ed Huntress


The Democrats will be out of power in 2010, I'll hold out. If I sell
now, what would I do? Sit at home?

You could go practice with your Mini-14, for the revolution Gunner says
is coming.

What if you hold out, and you're wrong? By then, if you're right, your
business will be worth nothing, right? Where will the buyers be then?
Where will the customers be?

--
Ed Huntress


Well, if libtards have their way, it won't matter. After the nuclear
exchanges that Obama and his minions will cause, after half the country is
living in tent cities due to Democrats destroying the economy further,
after domestic manufacturing is either owned by the government, shut down
or moved out, after libtard cheese-checks loose their value to buy 40s and
drugs, after everybody has free health care but nobody to pay for it,
after CO2 production is eliminated(with all jobs, heat and
transportation), after all that...I will be long gone out of the US...just
like the rest of American jobs.

I shouldn't have sold my Gibbs, it could "pink-mist" at 1,000 yards,
although I would have needed to upgrade the optics. I saw a nice Zeiss
for about $1,000 at Midwest, I wonder If I could get a government grant
for improving the environment?

I doubt it. But after those two paragraphs, you could look into getting one
for some personal counseling. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:19:29 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:20:36 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:41:18 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 04:49:08 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
m...
snip
In California..small business is dying like flies in a Raid filled room.

And large business is dying as well.


And why don't libtards get that?

Because Libtards think that the Obamassiah is working to make the
country Better..IE health care and free child care.

Damned shame they will soon be living out of their cars..or a big old
reefer or washer and dryer box and wondering how they are going to fix
their kids something to eat.

That is not going to happen. After all, What kids?

Did they sell their children?

Liberals didn't have them. Remember, "for the environment"? The
liberals have not been having children for a variety of reasons, and
there will be nobody at their death bed to bring them a glass of
water.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Oct 5, 11:47*pm, "Buerste" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

...
On Oct 5, 3:18 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:





wrote in message

.. .

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:33:59 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out
of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming.
But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are you
expecting
losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

Why bother asking him? First he says he's willing to invest in an
asinine new hire, then he says he won't invest because of the dems.
It's all horse**** that may as well be coming directly off gummer's
keyboard.

Ha-ha! Tom is a smart guy. I've talked to him on the phone. He just likes
to
play part-time troll, by his own admission. There's no doubt that he knows
he's gotten himself into some circular logic here, but it's fun to watch
him
pace around the corral, thinking he's still a racehorse. d8-)

And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to buy
your company from you? Are they stupid?

I don't believe a word of that stuff, or his claims of being wealthy.

Oh, he's doing quite well. He inherited a business and he's grown it quite
a
bit.

And if you expect losses but there
are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell aren't you
selling?

He'll probably say that he doesn't need the money.

Actually, I don't think he does. But his arguments make it sound like he's
hanging on by his fingernails.

Oh wait, I see that
he claims to be waiting for 2010. After the fantasy revolution one
presumes, when he plans to make some real money in the coffin biz.
'Cause we all know the premium that dead dems who don't work and are
all on the dole snorf will pay for their burials.

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

No kidding. He jumped the shark a long time ago when he got to the
point that he could no longer make it through most of his posts
without scapegoating "libtards" or whatever. Now he's demanding Usenet
apologies. Now *there's* a surefire strategy that could only come from
a deep-thinking business owner! :-)

Wayne

Think "hobby troller." That's Tom. He's much more sensible in real life..

--
Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Aw...so he was born with the silver spoon in his mouth...just like
Baby Bush.

That explains much of the ranting.

TMT

*********************

WRONG AGAIN! *I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals out.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Prove it.

TMT

On Oct 6, 5:09*am, "Buerste" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message

...
snip

WRONG AGAIN! *I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. *Nasty

Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left? *And, I guess the
left in general. *Notice the ones that fling the most lies and innuendoes
are the furthest from admitting that their constellation of libtard stars
are swirling around the toilet. *Remember the movie "The Man Who Would Be
King"? *As soon as Sean Connery got cut and showed he wasn't a god, the
people turned on him. *Well, Obama and his minions are bleeding, they've
lost all respect here and overseas, he's not a god anymore and the people
are turning on him...even reasonable Democrats. *I LOVE it!

Interesting how you like to turn on people.

The subject of the post is "Where will the jobs come from?"

You continue to make it clear that it won't be from your dying
business.

TMT

On Oct 6, 5:54*am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:52:58 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 00:39:24 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
news

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
.. .

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
.. .
You don't have your shop-made equipment on your books?? How do you
report your assets when you go for a loan? Don't you have business
property taxes in Ohio? Tom, Tom...have you undervalued your
assets?
g

My accountant states that I can't take $2k in steel and $2k in
parts
and $5k in labor and capitalize it as a $50k machine...which is
what
it would cost to buy it or have it built. *We write it off as shop
expense, perfectly legal. *As far as assets for loans, the building
and property, paid for, more than cover any loans we would want..

If $9,000 is all you invest in a machine, then, it doesn't sound
like
you're inhibited in your investments by whatever it is you're
complaining about.

I still don't get how you're claiming that costs are keeping you
from
investing, but I don't think I'm going to learn much from this
go-around.

--
Ed Huntress

It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming. But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are
you
expecting losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to
buy
your company from you? Are they stupid? And if you expect losses but
there are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell
aren't
you selling?

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

--
Ed Huntress

The Democrats will be out of power in 2010, I'll hold out. *If I sell
now, what would I do? *Sit at home?

You could go practice with your Mini-14, for the revolution Gunner says
is
coming.

What if you hold out, and you're wrong? By then, if you're right, your
business will be worth nothing, right? Where will the buyers be then?
Where will the customers be?

--
Ed Huntress

Well, if libtards have their way, it won't matter. *After the nuclear
exchanges that Obama and his minions will cause, after half the country is
living in tent cities due to Democrats destroying the economy further,
after
domestic manufacturing is either owned by the government, shut down or
moved
out, after libtard cheese-checks loose their value to buy 40s and drugs,
after everybody has free health care but nobody to pay for it, *after CO2
production is eliminated(with all jobs, heat and transportation), after
all
that...I will be long gone out of the US...just like the rest of American
jobs.

I shouldn't have sold my Gibbs, it could "pink-mist" at 1,000 yards,
although I would have needed to upgrade the optics. *I saw a nice Zeiss
for
about $1,000 at Midwest, *I wonder If I could get a government grant for
improving the environment?

Hummmm...I like that concept....I wonder...hummm...I wonder if we could
get a grant for Optics?

I LIKE IT!!!!

Gunner Asch

Isn't the technology amazing? *Don't you wish you had the tools they make
today back in the day? *Your job would have been much easier.

Hell yes. I could have killed more, and limped less today.

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You mean "killed more beers" and "limped to and back from the frig"?

TMT

On Oct 6, 6:16*am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:09:00 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
snip
WRONG AGAIN! *I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. *Nasty

Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left? *And, I guess the
left in general. *Notice the ones that fling the most lies and innuendoes
are the furthest from admitting that their constellation of libtard stars
are swirling around the toilet. *Remember the movie "The Man Who Would Be
King"? *As soon as Sean Connery got cut and showed he wasn't a god, the
people turned on him. *Well, Obama and his minions are bleeding, they've
lost all respect here and overseas, he's not a god anymore and the people
are turning on him...even reasonable Democrats. *I LOVE it!

VBG

When stalwart citizens like you start laughing at the antics of the
Government...with them only being in office 10 months...and their poll
ratings falling like a rock...it means that they are utter failures at
what they were elected to.

And they have 3 yrs left. *Well...shrug...only if my vision was wrong.

Its fascinating to see the polls that have conservatives are now ranking
high numbers over virtually ALL Demonrats..and its still 18 months or so
before the next election.

Of course...if my vision was right.....shrug...they start dying in only
a couple years or less.

Frankly..I hope Im right..Id hate to have 1 out of 6 wrong. *Id start
wondering if Id lost the talent after 55 yrs/5 of them 100% correct.

But if Im right..its going to be very very ugly for a while.
Works for me to see the Left decimated, wiped out, on the run, made
helpless/worthless, no longer traitors to the Founders goals and the
Constitution and the Nation. *Dead or in flight.

Works for me.

Got your leftwinger picked out yet? *No big deal..you have some time
yet. *But make a mental list..and when the time comes..strike hard....
and walk away into the crowd. *Or pick a high secure hide and wait with
your scoped rifle......

Leaderless resistance is nearly impossible to stop.

And Ill be sitting on the porch, playing dirges for the Left on the 5
string...and cheering as the body counts come over the radio.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." * Thomas Jefferson, 1787

15 million people who have picked out their very own
leftwinger.....might run out of leftwingers in a very very short time.
Even the little fish.......

VBG

Gunner Asch

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Trying to incite domestic terrorism Gunner?

I noticed.

So did the FBI.

TMT

On Oct 6, 7:33*am, "Buerste" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message

...





On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:09:00 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
snip
WRONG AGAIN! *I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals
out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. *Nasty

Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left? *And, I guess
the
left in general. *Notice the ones that fling the most lies and innuendoes
are the furthest from admitting that their constellation of libtard stars
are swirling around the toilet. *Remember the movie "The Man Who Would Be
King"? *As soon as Sean Connery got cut and showed he wasn't a god, the
people turned on him. *Well, Obama and his minions are bleeding, they've
lost all respect here and overseas, he's not a god anymore and the people
are turning on him...even reasonable Democrats. *I LOVE it!

VBG

When stalwart citizens like you start laughing at the antics of the
Government...with them only being in office 10 months...and their poll
ratings falling like a rock...it means that they are utter failures at
what they were elected to.

And they have 3 yrs left. *Well...shrug...only if my vision was wrong..

Its fascinating to see the polls that have conservatives are now ranking
high numbers over virtually ALL Demonrats..and its still 18 months or so
before the next election.

Of course...if my vision was right.....shrug...they start dying in only
a couple years or less.

Frankly..I hope Im right..Id hate to have 1 out of 6 wrong. *Id start
wondering if Id lost the talent after 55 yrs/5 of them 100% correct.

But if Im right..its going to be very very ugly for a while.
Works for me to see the Left decimated, wiped out, on the run, made
helpless/worthless, no longer traitors to the Founders goals and the
Constitution and the Nation. *Dead or in flight.

Works for me.

Got your leftwinger picked out yet? *No big deal..you have some time
yet. *But make a mental list..and when the time comes..strike hard.....
and walk away into the crowd. *Or pick a high secure hide and wait with
your scoped rifle......

Leaderless resistance is nearly impossible to stop.

And Ill be sitting on the porch, playing dirges for the Left on the 5
string...and cheering as the body counts come over the radio.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." * Thomas Jefferson, 1787

15 million people who have picked out their very own
leftwinger.....might run out of leftwingers in a very very short time.
Even the little fish.......

VBG

Gunner Asch

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean
end.

It might be that you see a symbolic representation of the drastic fall of
the libtard power base. *Even SNL and some of the networks have turned on
them...there's blood in the water (figuratively speaking) and like Sean
Connery, the king is no longer a god! *Now he's being de-kingafied! *Even
the black people at the plant hate him and the asshole Democrats. *Talk
about buyers' remorse! *Obama's making Carter look good. *It looks like we
won't have to wait until 2010 for the libtards to lose power, it's happening
NOW!

*I AM doing a half-hour at the range every week. *So far, my 1911 is holding
the best groups for centerfires, but I haven't taken my Model 19 yet.
Practice-practice-practice!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The SNL skit was laughing at the winger crowd.

I see that fact went right over your head.

Or more likely in one ear and out the other.

TMT

On Oct 6, 7:33*am, "Buerste" wrote:
"Gunner Asch" wrote in message

...





On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:09:00 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
. ..
snip
WRONG AGAIN! *I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals
out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. *Nasty

Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left? *And, I guess
the
left in general. *Notice the ones that fling the most lies and innuendoes
are the furthest from admitting that their constellation of libtard stars
are swirling around the toilet. *Remember the movie "The Man Who Would Be
King"? *As soon as Sean Connery got cut and showed he wasn't a god, the
people turned on him. *Well, Obama and his minions are bleeding, they've
lost all respect here and overseas, he's not a god anymore and the people
are turning on him...even reasonable Democrats. *I LOVE it!

VBG

When stalwart citizens like you start laughing at the antics of the
Government...with them only being in office 10 months...and their poll
ratings falling like a rock...it means that they are utter failures at
what they were elected to.

And they have 3 yrs left. *Well...shrug...only if my vision was wrong..

Its fascinating to see the polls that have conservatives are now ranking
high numbers over virtually ALL Demonrats..and its still 18 months or so
before the next election.

Of course...if my vision was right.....shrug...they start dying in only
a couple years or less.

Frankly..I hope Im right..Id hate to have 1 out of 6 wrong. *Id start
wondering if Id lost the talent after 55 yrs/5 of them 100% correct.

But if Im right..its going to be very very ugly for a while.
Works for me to see the Left decimated, wiped out, on the run, made
helpless/worthless, no longer traitors to the Founders goals and the
Constitution and the Nation. *Dead or in flight.

Works for me.

Got your leftwinger picked out yet? *No big deal..you have some time
yet. *But make a mental list..and when the time comes..strike hard.....
and walk away into the crowd. *Or pick a high secure hide and wait with
your scoped rifle......

Leaderless resistance is nearly impossible to stop.

And Ill be sitting on the porch, playing dirges for the Left on the 5
string...and cheering as the body counts come over the radio.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." * Thomas Jefferson, 1787

15 million people who have picked out their very own
leftwinger.....might run out of leftwingers in a very very short time.
Even the little fish.......

VBG

Gunner Asch

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean
end.

It might be that you see a symbolic representation of the drastic fall of
the libtard power base. *Even SNL and some of the networks have turned on
them...there's blood in the water (figuratively speaking) and like Sean
Connery, the king is no longer a god! *Now he's being de-kingafied! *Even
the black people at the plant hate him and the asshole Democrats. *Talk
about buyers' remorse! *Obama's making Carter look good. *It looks like we
won't have to wait until 2010 for the libtards to lose power, it's happening
NOW!

*I AM doing a half-hour at the range every week. *So far, my 1911 is holding
the best groups for centerfires, but I haven't taken my Model 19 yet.
Practice-practice-practice!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Several of us have provided polling proof that Obama and the Democrats
are still well liked.

It also shows that the Republicans and Palin are hated.

And of course you choose to ignore the facts...the trademark of a
winger.

TMT

On Oct 6, 7:55*am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Buerste" wrote in message

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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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Oh, he's doing quite well. He inherited a business and he's grown it
quite a bit.

I didn't inherit the business, I bought out the four principles and just
finishes paying off the last one after 12 years. *I understand that
doesn't sound as good but those ARE the facts.

OK. I thought a relative was involved. My mistake.

--
Ed Huntress

Let him prove it first Ed.

His creditibility is at an all time low.

TMT

On Oct 6, 8:11*am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Buerste" wrote in message

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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
snip
WRONG AGAIN! *I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. *Nasty

Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left?

Hey, I said it was a mistake. Sorry. I thought you said you inherited it.
Not exactly a big deal.

And, I guess the left in general. *Notice the ones that fling the most
lies and innuendoes are the furthest from admitting that their
constellation of libtard stars are swirling around the toilet. *Remember
the movie "The Man Who Would Be King"? *As soon as Sean Connery got cut
and showed he wasn't a god, the people turned on him. *Well, Obama and his
minions are bleeding, they've lost all respect here and overseas, he's not
a god anymore and the people are turning on him...even reasonable
Democrats. *I LOVE it!

Tom, you've got to get out of Cleveland more and see what's going on in the
United States. The latest polls show Obama's overall approval rating at
53% -- virtually the same as the percentage of the vote that he won in the
election.

That's the same as Ronnie's term average, and roughly the same as his
approval rating at this point in his first term. Reagan's overall term
average in the Gallup Polls was 52.8% and he dropped below 44% twice during
his term.

It wasn't until 1989, years after he was out of office, that he was given
sainthood. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. d8-)

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Tom doesn't want to hear the facts Ed...they would only cause him to
rethink his entire belief system.

One thing this conversation has shown me is that Tom is an A-hole to
deal with...and likely to work with.

TMT

On Oct 6, 10:41*am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Buerste" wrote in message

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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
news

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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You don't have your shop-made equipment on your books?? How do you
report your assets when you go for a loan? Don't you have business
property taxes in Ohio? Tom, Tom...have you undervalued your
assets? g

My accountant states that I can't take $2k in steel and $2k in parts
and $5k in labor and capitalize it as a $50k machine...which is what
it would cost to buy it or have it built. *We write it off as shop
expense, perfectly legal. *As far as assets for loans, the building
and property, paid for, more than cover any loans we would want.

If $9,000 is all you invest in a machine, then, it doesn't sound like
you're inhibited in your investments by whatever it is you're
complaining about.

I still don't get how you're claiming that costs are keeping you from
investing, but I don't think I'm going to learn much from this
go-around.

--
Ed Huntress

It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming. But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are
you expecting losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to
buy your company from you? Are they stupid? And if you expect losses
but there are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell
aren't you selling?

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

--
Ed Huntress

The Democrats will be out of power in 2010, I'll hold out. *If I sell
now, what would I do? *Sit at home?

You could go practice with your Mini-14, for the revolution Gunner says
is coming.

What if you hold out, and you're wrong? By then, if you're right, your
business will be worth nothing, right? Where will the buyers be then?
Where will the customers be?

--
Ed Huntress

Well, if libtards have their way, it won't matter. *After the nuclear
exchanges that Obama and his minions will cause, after half the country is
living in tent cities due to Democrats destroying the economy further,
after domestic manufacturing is either owned by the government, shut down
or moved out, after libtard cheese-checks loose their value to buy 40s and
drugs, after everybody has free health care but nobody to pay for it,
after CO2 production is eliminated(with all jobs, heat and
transportation), after all that...I will be long gone out of the US...just
like the rest of American jobs.

I shouldn't have sold my Gibbs, it could "pink-mist" at 1,000 yards,
although I would have needed to upgrade the optics. *I saw a nice Zeiss
for about $1,000 at Midwest, *I wonder If I could get a government grant
for improving the environment?

I doubt it. But after those two paragraphs, you could look into getting one
for some personal counseling. d8-)

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In all seriousness, I had the same thoughts.

The man seems to be coming unhinged.

Business/money problems?

TMT

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:37:46 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:57:24 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Oct 4, 7:09 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:

It makes it even MORE economically attractive for Tom to invest in new,
more
productive equipment, so he can compete. Reducing wages then moves his
equilibrium point up for a while, and then it just reduces aggregate
demand.
Individually, Tom won't notice it. But if other small businessmen do
the
same thing, we'll all notice it.



But investing on more productive equipment means that Tom can employ
fewer workers. So this is not where the jobs are going to come from.

First, if you're right about that, then Tom is perpetuating a fraud when
he ties his investment to hiring more workers. g But that's not right.
If he's adding to equipment he'll have to add workers. If he REPLACES
old
equipment with new, he *may* be able to reduce the number of workers.
But
that's not likely. It would take a lot of investment, and his ROI
probably
wouldn't stand up, in comparison with simply *adding* some new capacity
to
increase his output.

--
Ed Huntress


Your imaginary model of my business is so far off the mark I don't even
know
where to BEGIN to correct you.
A. I don't HAVE any old equipment, haven't you been reading my posts for
the past ten years?
B. I have drastically reduced the number of man-hours per product.
C. I don't buy equipment, I design and build it for the costs of material
and labor...no bank loans.
D. My equipment is beyond state of the art.
E. I have plenty of excess capacity in some areas and I run overtime in
other areas. It depends on the market, the Democrats have destroyed the
industrial market...guess where my excess capacity is? But I don't need
it
and idle machines don't eat anything.

I get four or more good, legitimate offers for my company every year and
many more bull**** ones. I can sell and retire any time I want for more
than I can ever spend. I must have done some things right, so I trust my
OWN judgment and instincts a whole lot more than yours.

Why don't you come and visit?


Because Ed has been largely a failure in Business and has spent his last
several years doing "craftsman" type work.

Id be surprised if he could turn a crank on any machine without some
serious thought and some outside prodding.

Having his world view of others and his OWN sucesses invalidated would
give him a serious case of the Ass..so dont expect him to visit any time
soon.

Gunner

Ah, RCM's very own welfare queen pops up to spout more bull****.

What "business" have I been a failure at, Gunner? What was its name? I own
my own modest home; I own two modest cars that I bought new four years ago,
which I'll replace in another two years; I just put my son through a
top-rated private university; I pay my taxes and my bills; I'm 61 and I've
been fortunate enough that, by living pretty frugally, I now can work pretty
much when I want to. Or not.

My "business" is writing, and I have over 350 published articles, chapters
of three books, and countless advertising and corporate communications
pieces behind me -- plus photography for 22 magazine covers and around 200
of my articles.

How about you?

Last I heard, you're into the government (by way of a hospital or two) for
$275,000

Those are only the latest bills. IIRC, the previous one was for
something like $40k. And let's not forget that he has frequently
claimed to be supporting his family, which as it turns out runs the
tab up into the millions.

because you're an irresponsible fool. The government -- that means
our taxes -- secured payment for at least the "medicaid" equivalent for your
heart attack and your stroke, and now it's paying most of the interest.
Current unsecured personal loan rates around Bakersfield are 18% - 22%. You
didn't have collateral to put up for that amount, did you? I didn't think
so.

Let's be generous and say the government (our taxes) is paying down half of
your interest rate on a principle amount that's perhaps 50% the size of your
actual bill. And you still have a bill for the balance, unless they took
pity on you and made an "indigent" deal to reduce your rates. Are you paying
back $13,750 a year? No? That means that, besides paying down your interest
rate, we're paying most of the interest itself. And unless you're paying
MORE than $13,750, you aren't paying back any of the unsecured balance on
your bill. They've probably written you off on their books by now.

Even worse, CA is forced to cut back on education in order to pay the
interest. Ensuring that future generations get the maximum number of
gummer-types and their progeny.

You're a freaking welfare queen. It's amazing that you're snotty enough to
criticize others' accomplishments, since you're currently scrounging pick-up
jobs at failing metalworking shops for a (semi) living.

Why would you believe that he's working? Because he says so? I
wouldn't be surprised if he's living off sonny's SSI bennies, and
posting under a nym on his "off" days .

No doubt you once
had a lot of potential, practically all of which you've squandered.

There's plenty of doubt that he ever had potential. The available
evidence indicates that his mental illness goes back to his teenage
years.

As for your "business," I doubt if you know how to read a balance sheet.
Calling it a "business" is an insult to popsicle stands everywhere.

Gummer's idea of a business was to slap P.E. onto his card and drive
around in a beater while claiming to earn $75 an hour, even though he
knew full well that he was only netting minimum wage at best. And no
doubt criticizing Bill Gates or some such at the same time, over
"borrowed" wifi in between "clients"!

Wayne

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:18:08 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:33:59 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Buerste" wrote in message
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It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the **** out
of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming.
But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are you expecting
losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

Why bother asking him? First he says he's willing to invest in an
asinine new hire, then he says he won't invest because of the dems.
It's all horse**** that may as well be coming directly off gummer's
keyboard.

Ha-ha! Tom is a smart guy.

I occasionally slip up and refer to my dog being smart, but then I see
him eating rabbit poop, or barfing up a treat that, due to his
smartness, he thought would be a good idea to swallow without chewing.
:-)

I've talked to him on the phone. He just likes to
play part-time troll, by his own admission.

He's just another rabid partisan who doesn't realize that the lack of
reasoning he displays here argues against his case, and against his
own intelligence.

There's no doubt that he knows
he's gotten himself into some circular logic here, but it's fun to watch him
pace around the corral, thinking he's still a racehorse. d8-)


And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to buy
your company from you? Are they stupid?

I don't believe a word of that stuff, or his claims of being wealthy.

Oh, he's doing quite well. He inherited a business and he's grown it quite a
bit.

Have you seen any financial statements? I can't count the number of
businesses I've known over the years that were a whole lot less than
what they seemed. In fact, I can think of a couple right now that are
in deep doodoo and hiding it. No doubt if Bernie Madoff had been on
Usenet, he'd have been bragging about his wealth, just like Tom.

And if you expect losses but there
are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell aren't you
selling?

He'll probably say that he doesn't need the money.

Actually, I don't think he does. But his arguments make it sound like he's
hanging on by his fingernails.

Oh wait, I see that
he claims to be waiting for 2010. After the fantasy revolution one
presumes, when he plans to make some real money in the coffin biz.
'Cause we all know the premium that dead dems who don't work and are
all on the dole snorf will pay for their burials.

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

No kidding. He jumped the shark a long time ago when he got to the
point that he could no longer make it through most of his posts
without scapegoating "libtards" or whatever. Now he's demanding Usenet
apologies. Now *there's* a surefire strategy that could only come from
a deep-thinking business owner! :-)

Wayne

Think "hobby troller." That's Tom. He's much more sensible in real life.

Perhaps. But how does one decide which persona is the facade?

Wayne

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:33:49 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:09:00 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
snip
WRONG AGAIN! I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals
out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. Nasty


Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left? And, I guess
the
left in general. Notice the ones that fling the most lies and innuendoes
are the furthest from admitting that their constellation of libtard stars
are swirling around the toilet. Remember the movie "The Man Who Would Be
King"? As soon as Sean Connery got cut and showed he wasn't a god, the
people turned on him. Well, Obama and his minions are bleeding, they've
lost all respect here and overseas, he's not a god anymore and the people
are turning on him...even reasonable Democrats. I LOVE it!


VBG

When stalwart citizens like you start laughing at the antics of the
Government...with them only being in office 10 months...and their poll
ratings falling like a rock...it means that they are utter failures at
what they were elected to.

And they have 3 yrs left. Well...shrug...only if my vision was wrong.

Its fascinating to see the polls that have conservatives are now ranking
high numbers over virtually ALL Demonrats..and its still 18 months or so
before the next election.

Of course...if my vision was right.....shrug...they start dying in only
a couple years or less.

Frankly..I hope Im right..Id hate to have 1 out of 6 wrong. Id start
wondering if Id lost the talent after 55 yrs/5 of them 100% correct.

But if Im right..its going to be very very ugly for a while.
Works for me to see the Left decimated, wiped out, on the run, made
helpless/worthless, no longer traitors to the Founders goals and the
Constitution and the Nation. Dead or in flight.

Works for me.

Got your leftwinger picked out yet? No big deal..you have some time
yet. But make a mental list..and when the time comes..strike hard....
and walk away into the crowd. Or pick a high secure hide and wait with
your scoped rifle......

Leaderless resistance is nearly impossible to stop.

And Ill be sitting on the porch, playing dirges for the Left on the 5
string...and cheering as the body counts come over the radio.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson, 1787

15 million people who have picked out their very own
leftwinger.....might run out of leftwingers in a very very short time.
Even the little fish.......

VBG


Gunner Asch


Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean
end.

It might be that you see a symbolic representation of the drastic fall of
the libtard power base. Even SNL and some of the networks have turned on
them...there's blood in the water (figuratively speaking) and like Sean
Connery, the king is no longer a god! Now he's being de-kingafied! Even
the black people at the plant hate him and the asshole Democrats. Talk
about buyers' remorse! Obama's making Carter look good. It looks like we
won't have to wait until 2010 for the libtards to lose power, it's happening
NOW!

I AM doing a half-hour at the range every week. So far, my 1911 is holding
the best groups for centerfires, but I haven't taken my Model 19 yet.
Practice-practice-practice!

For your personal safety during the Great Cull..you may wish to start
working out with a scoped large caliber rifle.

Ive plenty of e-books I can email you on "long range personel
interdiction" and so forth if you would like.

Just a heads up.

In urban areas....up close and personal has its limitations...but...do
as you see fit.

I plan on living through the Great Cull and long afterwards...so if I
decided to get off the porch..Id simply use one of the heavy barreled
rifles and work at many hundreds of yards.

Shrug


Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

On Oct 6, 1:02*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:33:49 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:09:00 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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WRONG AGAIN! *I didn't inherit the business, I bought the principals
out.

Tom...dont confuse Eddy and ToManyToilets with the facts. It will ruin
their party and cause them both to break into tears.

A bloody awful scene that makes. *Nasty

Gunner

I used to have some respect for Ed but now that he presents assumptions as
facts...wait, isn't that the hallmark of the fringe left? *And, I guess
the
left in general. *Notice the ones that fling the most lies and innuendoes
are the furthest from admitting that their constellation of libtard stars
are swirling around the toilet. *Remember the movie "The Man Who Would Be
King"? *As soon as Sean Connery got cut and showed he wasn't a god, the
people turned on him. *Well, Obama and his minions are bleeding, they've
lost all respect here and overseas, he's not a god anymore and the people
are turning on him...even reasonable Democrats. *I LOVE it!

VBG

When stalwart citizens like you start laughing at the antics of the
Government...with them only being in office 10 months...and their poll
ratings falling like a rock...it means that they are utter failures at
what they were elected to.

And they have 3 yrs left. *Well...shrug...only if my vision was wrong.

Its fascinating to see the polls that have conservatives are now ranking
high numbers over virtually ALL Demonrats..and its still 18 months or so
before the next election.

Of course...if my vision was right.....shrug...they start dying in only
a couple years or less.

Frankly..I hope Im right..Id hate to have 1 out of 6 wrong. *Id start
wondering if Id lost the talent after 55 yrs/5 of them 100% correct.

But if Im right..its going to be very very ugly for a while.
Works for me to see the Left decimated, wiped out, on the run, made
helpless/worthless, no longer traitors to the Founders goals and the
Constitution and the Nation. *Dead or in flight.

Works for me.

Got your leftwinger picked out yet? *No big deal..you have some time
yet. *But make a mental list..and when the time comes..strike hard.....
and walk away into the crowd. *Or pick a high secure hide and wait with
your scoped rifle......

Leaderless resistance is nearly impossible to stop.

And Ill be sitting on the porch, playing dirges for the Left on the 5
string...and cheering as the body counts come over the radio.

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." * Thomas Jefferson, 1787

15 million people who have picked out their very own
leftwinger.....might run out of leftwingers in a very very short time.
Even the little fish.......

VBG

Gunner Asch

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean
end.

It might be that you see a symbolic representation of the drastic fall of
the libtard power base. *Even SNL and some of the networks have turned on
them...there's blood in the water (figuratively speaking) and like Sean
Connery, the king is no longer a god! *Now he's being de-kingafied! *Even
the black people at the plant hate him and the asshole Democrats. *Talk
about buyers' remorse! *Obama's making Carter look good. *It looks like we
won't have to wait until 2010 for the libtards to lose power, it's happening
NOW!

I AM doing a half-hour at the range every week. *So far, my 1911 is holding
the best groups for centerfires, but I haven't taken my Model 19 yet.
Practice-practice-practice!

For your personal safety during the Great Cull..you may wish to start
working out with a scoped large caliber rifle.

Ive plenty of e-books I can email you on "long range personel
interdiction" and so forth if you would like.

Just a heads up.

In urban areas....up close and personal has its limitations...but...do
as you see fit.

I plan on living through the Great Cull and long afterwards...so if I
decided to get off the porch..Id simply use one of the heavy barreled
rifles and work at many hundreds of yards.

Shrug

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
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Please email me your e-books on domestic terrorism.

Send them here.

www.fbi.gov

TMT

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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:18:08 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:33:59 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out
of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming.
But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are you
expecting
losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

Why bother asking him? First he says he's willing to invest in an
asinine new hire, then he says he won't invest because of the dems.
It's all horse**** that may as well be coming directly off gummer's
keyboard.

Ha-ha! Tom is a smart guy.

I occasionally slip up and refer to my dog being smart, but then I see
him eating rabbit poop, or barfing up a treat that, due to his
smartness, he thought would be a good idea to swallow without chewing.
:-)

I've talked to him on the phone. He just likes to
play part-time troll, by his own admission.

He's just another rabid partisan who doesn't realize that the lack of
reasoning he displays here argues against his case, and against his
own intelligence.

There's no doubt that he knows
he's gotten himself into some circular logic here, but it's fun to watch
him
pace around the corral, thinking he's still a racehorse. d8-)


And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to buy
your company from you? Are they stupid?

I don't believe a word of that stuff, or his claims of being wealthy.

Oh, he's doing quite well. He inherited a business and he's grown it quite
a
bit.

Have you seen any financial statements? I can't count the number of
businesses I've known over the years that were a whole lot less than
what they seemed. In fact, I can think of a couple right now that are
in deep doodoo and hiding it. No doubt if Bernie Madoff had been on
Usenet, he'd have been bragging about his wealth, just like Tom.

And if you expect losses but there
are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell aren't you
selling?

He'll probably say that he doesn't need the money.

Actually, I don't think he does. But his arguments make it sound like he's
hanging on by his fingernails.

Oh wait, I see that
he claims to be waiting for 2010. After the fantasy revolution one
presumes, when he plans to make some real money in the coffin biz.
'Cause we all know the premium that dead dems who don't work and are
all on the dole snorf will pay for their burials.

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

No kidding. He jumped the shark a long time ago when he got to the
point that he could no longer make it through most of his posts
without scapegoating "libtards" or whatever. Now he's demanding Usenet
apologies. Now *there's* a surefire strategy that could only come from
a deep-thinking business owner! :-)

Wayne

Think "hobby troller." That's Tom. He's much more sensible in real life.

Perhaps. But how does one decide which persona is the facade?

Wayne

In Tom's case, it required catching him at a weak moment. g

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Ed Huntress

On Oct 6, 1:09*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:18:08 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:33:59 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out
of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming.
But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are you
expecting
losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

Why bother asking him? First he says he's willing to invest in an
asinine new hire, then he says he won't invest because of the dems.
It's all horse**** that may as well be coming directly off gummer's
keyboard.

Ha-ha! Tom is a smart guy.

I occasionally slip up and refer to my dog being smart, but then I see
him eating rabbit poop, or barfing up a treat that, due to his
smartness, he thought would be a good idea to swallow without chewing.
:-)

I've talked to him on the phone. He just likes to
play part-time troll, by his own admission.

He's just another rabid partisan who doesn't realize that the lack of
reasoning he displays here argues against his case, and against his
own intelligence.

There's no doubt that he knows
he's gotten himself into some circular logic here, but it's fun to watch
him
pace around the corral, thinking he's still a racehorse. d8-)

And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to buy
your company from you? Are they stupid?

I don't believe a word of that stuff, or his claims of being wealthy.

Oh, he's doing quite well. He inherited a business and he's grown it quite
a
bit.

Have you seen any financial statements? I can't count the number of
businesses I've known over the years that were a whole lot less than
what they seemed. In fact, I can think of a couple right now that are
in deep doodoo and hiding it. No doubt if Bernie Madoff had been on
Usenet, he'd have been bragging about his wealth, just like Tom.

And if you expect losses but there
are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell aren't you
selling?

He'll probably say that he doesn't need the money.

Actually, I don't think he does. But his arguments make it sound like he's
hanging on by his fingernails.

Oh wait, I see that
he claims to be waiting for 2010. After the fantasy revolution one
presumes, when he plans to make some real money in the coffin biz.
'Cause we all know the premium that dead dems who don't work and are
all on the dole snorf will pay for their burials.

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

No kidding. He jumped the shark a long time ago when he got to the
point that he could no longer make it through most of his posts
without scapegoating "libtards" or whatever. Now he's demanding Usenet
apologies. Now *there's* a surefire strategy that could only come from
a deep-thinking business owner! *:-)

Wayne

Think "hobby troller." That's Tom. He's much more sensible in real life..

Perhaps. But how does one decide which persona is the facade?

Wayne

In Tom's case, it required catching him at a weak moment. g

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LOL

TMT

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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For your personal safety during the Great Cull..you may wish to start
working out with a scoped large caliber rifle.

Ive plenty of e-books I can email you on "long range personel
interdiction" and so forth if you would like.

Just a heads up.

In urban areas....up close and personal has its limitations...but...do
as you see fit.

I plan on living through the Great Cull and long afterwards...so if I
decided to get off the porch..Id simply use one of the heavy barreled
rifles and work at many hundreds of yards.

Shrug



I do have an SKS, Russian made. I always wanted a .308, ammo easily falls
off of trucks. But the Russian hardware adds the necessary irony.

"Buerste" wrote:

I wonder If I could get a government grant for
improving the environment?

Solar operated energy director. Use those words in a grant application for grins.

Wes

"Wes" wrote in message
"Buerste" wrote:

I wonder If I could get a government grant for
improving the environment?

Solar operated energy director. Use those words in a
grant application for grins.

Wes

Hmmm... director: one who gives direction to others, a
person.
directer: a device used to control the
flow of something.
Was that a typo or intended. Either way it's
funny......;)) phil

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:06:10 -0400, "Buerste" wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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For your personal safety during the Great Cull..you may wish to start
working out with a scoped large caliber rifle.

Ive plenty of e-books I can email you on "long range personel
interdiction" and so forth if you would like.

Just a heads up.

In urban areas....up close and personal has its limitations...but...do
as you see fit.

I plan on living through the Great Cull and long afterwards...so if I
decided to get off the porch..Id simply use one of the heavy barreled
rifles and work at many hundreds of yards.

Shrug



I do have an SKS, Russian made. I always wanted a .308, ammo easily falls
off of trucks. But the Russian hardware adds the necessary irony.

Russian.,.Japanese..they were all enemies at one time or another..and
likely will be enemies again.

Might I suggest a Savage heavy barrel in .308? The new ones are
marvelously accurate out to 1000 yrds or more.

I personally prefer something a bit heavier for those really long
shots...300 Win Mag at the least..but the .308 does the job very well
all on its own.

Just a heads up....

http://www.gunblast.com/Savage10FP-LE2.htm

I dont much like his choice of scope..but...shrug


Gunner


Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
...

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Buerste" wrote in message
news
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"Buerste" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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You don't have your shop-made equipment on your books?? How do you
report your assets when you go for a loan? Don't you have business
property taxes in Ohio? Tom, Tom...have you undervalued your
assets? g


My accountant states that I can't take $2k in steel and $2k in
parts and $5k in labor and capitalize it as a $50k machine...which
is what it would cost to buy it or have it built. We write it off
as shop expense, perfectly legal. As far as assets for loans, the
building and property, paid for, more than cover any loans we would
want.

If $9,000 is all you invest in a machine, then, it doesn't sound
like you're inhibited in your investments by whatever it is you're
complaining about.

I still don't get how you're claiming that costs are keeping you
from investing, but I don't think I'm going to learn much from this
go-around.

--
Ed Huntress


It's PERCEIVED costs if the Democrats get their way and tax the ****
out of everything...and they certainly will if they have their way.

In other words, you're not investing because of taxes you think are
coming. But how does not investing improve that picture for you? Are
you expecting losses? Are you expecting your market to decline?

And if those are reasonable expectations, why are people offering to
buy your company from you? Are they stupid? And if you expect losses
but there are people ready to buy your company RIGHT NOW, why in hell
aren't you selling?

None of the complaints seem to hold together.

--
Ed Huntress


The Democrats will be out of power in 2010, I'll hold out. If I sell
now, what would I do? Sit at home?

You could go practice with your Mini-14, for the revolution Gunner says
is coming.

What if you hold out, and you're wrong? By then, if you're right, your
business will be worth nothing, right? Where will the buyers be then?
Where will the customers be?

--
Ed Huntress


Well, if libtards have their way, it won't matter. After the nuclear
exchanges that Obama and his minions will cause, after half the country
is living in tent cities due to Democrats destroying the economy further,
after domestic manufacturing is either owned by the government, shut down
or moved out, after libtard cheese-checks loose their value to buy 40s
and drugs, after everybody has free health care but nobody to pay for it,
after CO2 production is eliminated(with all jobs, heat and
transportation), after all that...I will be long gone out of the
US...just like the rest of American jobs.

I shouldn't have sold my Gibbs, it could "pink-mist" at 1,000 yards,
although I would have needed to upgrade the optics. I saw a nice Zeiss
for about $1,000 at Midwest, I wonder If I could get a government grant
for improving the environment?

I doubt it. But after those two paragraphs, you could look into getting
one for some personal counseling. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


Hey, I thought you changed the subject to firearms...are you getting a bit
senile?