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Ammo prices for 7.62x39
Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was
shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. i having a sticker shock |
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:51:14 -0500, Ignoramus2981
wrote: Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. i having a sticker shock Although I've heard folks at gun shows claiming that Obama is to blame, I suspect it's more the paranoia of gun owners reacting to a Democrat (Liberal, pinko) admin, and the subsequent cupidity of dealers willing to take advantage of this fear. I plan to wait on any ammo purchases until the Fear (and prices) has subsided. Hope I'm right - it's not the Administration that I distrust, but the Congress. Joe |
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On 2009-04-16, Joe wrote:
Although I've heard folks at gun shows claiming that Obama is to blame, I suspect it's more the paranoia of gun owners reacting to a Democrat (Liberal, pinko) admin, and the subsequent cupidity of dealers willing to take advantage of this fear. I plan to wait on any ammo purchases until the Fear (and prices) has subsided. Hope I'm right - it's not the Administration that I distrust, but the Congress. There is an article in the Journal today about "gun investors". Those are apparently those who lost a lot of money in their 401k's, and are now buying guns as an investment, because "guns can only go up". Even doctors are reportedly investing in ammunition, and that certainly is a good signal to stay out of that arena. Article is attached below for those without the benefit of WSJ subscription. My own comment on this is that I hope that more ammo will be imported and prices will come down to earth, possibly with the fools dumping that stuff that they stocked up on with such certainty. I still have enough ammo stocked up from the good times, and will just wait. ================================================== ==================== http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123984046627223159.html Fear and Greed Have Sales of Guns and Ammo Shooting Up Buyers Foresee Anti-Weapon Legislation; Collectors Hope to Get Bang for Their Bucks By ALEX ROTH and BETSY MCKAY [guns] Kendrick Brinson for The Wall Street Journal Jay Chambers has been collecting guns for years as an investment. Recent gun-ban worries have made inventory scarce, and speculation of an assault-weapon ban has raised the prices and value of his collection. FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. -- The way Jay Chambers sees it, the semiautomatic weapons in his firearm collection might be the most promising investment in his financial portfolio. Like many gun enthusiasts, Mr. Chambers, a manager for a door wholesaler here, believes President Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress soon will reimpose a version of an expired federal ban on the sale of so-called assault weapons. If such a law passes, he figures his collection -- enough guns, ammo magazines and weapon parts to assemble about 30 AK-47s, AR-15s and other semiautomatic rifles -- could triple in value. "A guy could easily make a lot of money," says Mr. Chambers, 47 years old, while at Autrey's Armory, a gun store about 20 miles south of Atlanta. Purchases of guns and ammunition are surging across the country. Nearly four million background checks -- a key measure of sales because they are required at the purchase of a gun from a federally licensed seller -- were performed in the first three months of 2009. That is a 27% increase over the same period a year earlier, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. No one knows exactly what is behind the gun-buying craze. Some buyers say they are stocking up for themselves in anticipation of new gun-control laws, while others say they're worried about deteriorating public safety as the economy worsens. But it's also clear that part of the gun-buying rally is driven by people like Mr. Chambers who are buying weapons the way others invest in a hot stock. The buying is pumping up prices. Many popular models of guns are back-ordered for a year or more. Some manufacturers are operating plants 24 hours a day. According to the 2009 edition of the Blue Book of Gun Values, the average price of European-made AK-47s -- the famous Soviet-era military weapon now made in several countries -- doubled from $350 last September to more than $700 by the end of 2008. Ammo Investments Bert Collins, an Atlanta commercial real-estate manager, recently bought two AR-15 rifles for about $1,600 each. He's keeping one in its box, untouched, with the hope of selling it at a profit should Congress re-enact the law, which expired in 2004. "It's certainly a better investment than my 401(k) has performed," Mr. Collins said. Bubba Sanders, owner of Bullseye Supply LLC, in Brandon, Miss., said he has "a number of doctor clients whose financial advisers have told them to invest in ammunition. Beats the hell out of money markets and CDs. You can double your investment in ammunition in a year." Many gun dealers are fanning the fear on the Internet and in other advertising that President Obama will try to restrict the Second Amendment right to bear arms -- despite signs that major changes in federal weapons regulations are unlikely. The White House says there are no imminent plans to reinstate the federal assault-weapons ban. "The president supports the Second Amendment and respects the tradition of gun ownership in this country," a White House spokesman said. Restoring the ban on assault weapons has limited support in Congress, even among Democrats. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have signaled reluctance in recent weeks to renewing the ban. During the federal ban between 1994 and 2004, the value of popular firearms such as the AR-15 semiautomatic rifle -- a civilian version of the M-16 used by the military -- soared. During that time, it was illegal to manufacture weapons in the banned categories, but weapons already in circulation could be resold. The law also prohibited stores from selling ammunition magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds. Inventory Scarce As gun-ban worries have made inventory scarce, Joshua Works, president of Mission Essential Inc., a large gun store in Hinesville, Ga., has flipped some of his own stock for a profit. Last year, he says, he sold a variant of an AK-47 for $400. He bought it back from the owner in January for $550, then quickly sold the same gun again for $750. AKs are a particularly good investment, he says. His company's sales have risen about 30% since the election, he says. Mr. Works ran ads on local television highlighting fears of a weapon ban before and after the November election and says he's planning a new spot that promotes guns as a good investment. "You can buy gold or silver, but they go up and down," he says. On a recent weekend, Ray Delashmutt, a 28-year-old flooring contractor in Auxvasse, Mo., bought parts to build 15 AK-47 rifles. He says he spent about $6,000 but figures he can eventually sell the 15 weapons for at least twice as much. "Military weapons have always gone up in value and those are the only guns I invest in," he said. Ups and Downs Of course, like all investments, guns do fluctuate in value. Weapons whose prices rose during the previous ban fell once it was lifted. "People I know in 2000 were buying Colts for $2,300 or $2,400," says Dennis Williams, the owner of Guns & Leather Inc. in Greenbrier, Tenn. "Now you can buy a new Colt for $1,400." That the bubble could burst doesn't appear to be fazing buyers. "Right now even used semiautomatic rifles are selling like crazy," says Lawrence Keane, senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, which represents manufacturers and retailers. Randy Luth, the founder and president of DPMS Firearms LLC, in St. Cloud, Minn., one of the country's largest manufacturers of AR |
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"Ignoramus2981" wrote in message ... On 2009-04-16, Joe wrote: I'm betting most of it is hype from the gun dealer and investors themselves, just like the recent real estate years. As such, there is going to be disappointment gun investors soon as well. If attempts at new gun laws miss their mark, which I suspect, a lot of people investing now are going to loose money in even the short run. I know people that have committed as much as 150k to the purchase of assault rifles assuming they will soon be illegal. Many of them paying top dollar even at today's prices. I'm betting prices will hold for the next 10 years or more at best. |
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On 2009-04-16, Tim #__#@__.- wrote:
"Ignoramus2981" wrote in message ... On 2009-04-16, Joe wrote: I'm betting most of it is hype from the gun dealer and investors themselves, just like the recent real estate years. As such, there is going to be disappointment gun investors soon as well. If attempts at new gun laws miss their mark, which I suspect, a lot of people investing now are going to loose money in even the short run. I know people that have committed as much as 150k to the purchase of assault rifles assuming they will soon be illegal. Many of them paying top dollar even at today's prices. I'm betting prices will hold for the next 10 years or more at best. I think that I should sell one gun that I do not need. i |
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"Ignoramus2981" wrote in message ... On 2009-04-16, Tim #__#@__.- wrote: "Ignoramus2981" wrote in message ... On 2009-04-16, Joe wrote: I'm betting most of it is hype from the gun dealer and investors themselves, just like the recent real estate years. As such, there is going to be disappointment gun investors soon as well. If attempts at new gun laws miss their mark, which I suspect, a lot of people investing now are going to loose money in even the short run. I know people that have committed as much as 150k to the purchase of assault rifles assuming they will soon be illegal. Many of them paying top dollar even at today's prices. I'm betting prices will hold for the next 10 years or more at best. I think that I should sell one gun that I do not need. That would be my guess, but I have be wrong (many times) before. I just see how hard the dealers have been pushing the hype ever since list spring or summer. I have a good friend that's a gun dealer, and he has been ragging me with Obama doom for a year now, but I'm just not buying it. I think the Dems learned there lesson on the Brady bill. I think the majority of people have come to realize that gun laws only effect the law abiding people, and the law abiding people are not the problem, not matter how well armed they may be. |
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I'm betting most of it is hype from the gun dealer and investors themselves, just like the recent real estate years. As such, there is going to be disappointment gun investors soon as well. If attempts at new gun laws miss their mark, which I suspect, a lot of people investing now are going to loose money in even the short run. I know people that have committed as much as 150k to the purchase of assault rifles assuming they will soon be illegal. Many of them paying top dollar even at today's prices. I'm betting prices will hold for the next 10 years or more at best. I think that I should sell one gun that I do not need. i Now is a good time to sell, that's for sure. There has been so much frenzied buying lately that everything is in short supply. You should see the shelves at my local Walmart's gun dept. They're empty. They've been empty for several weeks too and the gun shows are doing great business too. What is happening is the gun "bubble". The same thing that happened with stocks, real estate, gasoline, and now guns and related components is happening again. The outcome will also be similar. Once people figure out that they went out and bought things they couldn't afford and that they have no real need for the prices will plummet. So if you have anything to sell I'd say do it now. I am not bothered by the stupidity of the masses except that now there is also a shortage of reloading components and there are virtually no primers to be had right now and it's going to be a while before they are back in stock. Without the primers you've got nothing. I wonder how many people have figured that one out. Lucky for me I put some away because I haven't forgotten the last time they were in short supply. Hawke |
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On Apr 16, 9:42*am, Ignoramus2981
wrote: On 2009-04-16, Tim #__#@__.- wrote: "Ignoramus2981" wrote in message m... On 2009-04-16, Joe wrote: I'm betting most of it is hype from the gun dealer and investors themselves, just like the recent real estate years. As such, there is going to be disappointment gun investors soon as well. If attempts at new gun laws miss their mark, which I suspect, a lot of people investing now are going to loose money in even the short run. I know people that have committed as much as 150k to the purchase of assault rifles assuming they will soon be illegal. Many of them paying top dollar even at today's prices. I'm betting prices will hold for the next 10 years or more at best. I think that I should sell one gun that I do not need. i Agreed...time to sell anything is when the bubble is rising. TMT |
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On Apr 16, 9:42*am, Ignoramus2981
wrote: On 2009-04-16, Tim #__#@__.- wrote: "Ignoramus2981" wrote in message m... On 2009-04-16, Joe wrote: I'm betting most of it is hype from the gun dealer and investors themselves, just like the recent real estate years. As such, there is going to be disappointment gun investors soon as well. If attempts at new gun laws miss their mark, which I suspect, a lot of people investing now are going to loose money in even the short run. I know people that have committed as much as 150k to the purchase of assault rifles assuming they will soon be illegal. Many of them paying top dollar even at today's prices. I'm betting prices will hold for the next 10 years or more at best. I think that I should sell one gun that I do not need. i I think that the timing is good for sellers. I am making a considerable amount of profit selling at this time. TMT |
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On Apr 16, 9:23*am, "Tim" #__#@__.- wrote:
"Ignoramus2981" wrote in message ... On 2009-04-16, Joe wrote: I'm betting most of it is hype from the gun dealer and investors themselves, just like the recent real estate years. As such, there is going to be disappointment gun investors soon as well. If attempts at new gun laws miss their mark, which I suspect, a lot of people investing now are going to loose money in even the short run. I know people that have committed as much as 150k to the purchase of assault rifles assuming they will soon be illegal. Many of them paying top dollar even at today's prices. I'm betting prices will hold for the next 10 years or more at best. Guns are in a bubble...just like houses were. Prices won't even hold for five years. In the future banks will be foreclosing on guns. TMT |
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:55:34 -0500, Ignoramus2981
wrote: On 2009-04-16, Joe wrote: Although I've heard folks at gun shows claiming that Obama is to blame, I suspect it's more the paranoia of gun owners reacting to a Democrat (Liberal, pinko) admin, and the subsequent cupidity of dealers willing to take advantage of this fear. I plan to wait on any ammo purchases until the Fear (and prices) has subsided. Hope I'm right - it's not the Administration that I distrust, but the Congress. There is an article in the Journal today about "gun investors". Those are apparently those who lost a lot of money in their 401k's, and are now buying guns as an investment, because "guns can only go up". Even doctors are reportedly investing in ammunition, and that certainly is a good signal to stay out of that arena. Article is attached below for those without the benefit of WSJ subscription. My own comment on this is that I hope that more ammo will be imported and prices will come down to earth, possibly with the fools dumping that stuff that they stocked up on with such certainty. I still have enough ammo stocked up from the good times, and will just wait. Indeed. Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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Ignoramus2981 wrote:
My own comment on this is that I hope that more ammo will be imported and prices will come down to earth, possibly with the fools dumping that stuff that they stocked up on with such certainty. I still have enough ammo stocked up from the good times, and will just wait. My only concern is with a change of leadership down the road, our domestic ammo manufacturers find a population with such a glut of ammo on hand that the manufacturers can't sell enough ammo to stay in business. There could be a bust cycle for our ammo firms. Wes |
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On 2010-01-29, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus2981 wrote: My own comment on this is that I hope that more ammo will be imported and prices will come down to earth, possibly with the fools dumping that stuff that they stocked up on with such certainty. I still have enough ammo stocked up from the good times, and will just wait. My only concern is with a change of leadership down the road, our domestic ammo manufacturers find a population with such a glut of ammo on hand that the manufacturers can't sell enough ammo to stay in business. You are 100% right. The boom and bust cycle is going to be very tough on ammo manufacturers. It will be somewhat attenuated by two simultaneous wars going on at the same time, requiring a lot of domestically produced ammo. There could be a bust cycle for our ammo firms. I hope that they saved some money from the latest ammo craze. If 7.62x39 ammo gets down to $130-150 per thousand rounds, I will buy 2-3k rounds just in case. i |
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:06:21 -0600, Ignoramus7752
wrote: On 2010-01-29, Wes wrote: Ignoramus2981 wrote: My own comment on this is that I hope that more ammo will be imported and prices will come down to earth, possibly with the fools dumping that stuff that they stocked up on with such certainty. I still have enough ammo stocked up from the good times, and will just wait. My only concern is with a change of leadership down the road, our domestic ammo manufacturers find a population with such a glut of ammo on hand that the manufacturers can't sell enough ammo to stay in business. You are 100% right. The boom and bust cycle is going to be very tough on ammo manufacturers. It will be somewhat attenuated by two simultaneous wars going on at the same time, requiring a lot of domestically produced ammo. There could be a bust cycle for our ammo firms. I hope that they saved some money from the latest ammo craze. If 7.62x39 ammo gets down to $130-150 per thousand rounds, I will buy 2-3k rounds just in case. i It should be noted that the ammo manufactures DID NOT increase the size of their plants, but simply ran 2-3 shifts a day. Which was VERY smart. Gunner Whenever a Liberal utters the term "Common Sense approach"....grab your wallet, your ass, and your guns because the sombitch is about to do something damned nasty to all three of them. |
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Wes wrote:
Ignoramus2981 wrote: My own comment on this is that I hope that more ammo will be imported and prices will come down to earth, possibly with the fools dumping that stuff that they stocked up on with such certainty. I still have enough ammo stocked up from the good times, and will just wait. My only concern is with a change of leadership down the road, our domestic ammo manufacturers find a population with such a glut of ammo on hand that the manufacturers can't sell enough ammo to stay in business. There could be a bust cycle for our ammo firms. Wes That is part of the reason for the current shortage, the makers are not increasing tooling and capacity so they don't end up with too much debt and fixed costs at the end of the boom. |
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Joe wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:51:14 -0500, Ignoramus2981 wrote: Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. i having a sticker shock Although I've heard folks at gun shows claiming that Obama is to blame, I suspect it's more the paranoia of gun owners reacting to a Democrat (Liberal, pinko) admin, and the subsequent cupidity of dealers willing to take advantage of this fear. I plan to wait on any ammo purchases until the Fear (and prices) has subsided. Hope I'm right - it's not the Administration that I distrust, but the Congress. I've certainly seen ammo shortages around here, however what is available when shipments come in seems to be relatively reasonably priced. Ammo costs did shoot up in the recent past due to the huge run up in metals costs (lotta expensive lead and brass), however due to the high sales turnover the ammo prices seem to have tracked the fall in metals prices. For example, 9mm is very scarce around here, but I was able to buy a sizable quantity of new name brand US 9mm for what works out to about $11.50/50rd which isn't much more than it went for a number of years ago as far as I remember. As for being able to get it, it was simply a matter of being the first customer at the store on the morning that a shipment arrived, and I happened to be going by at that time anyway. |
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"Ignoramus2981" wrote in message
... Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. Brass reloads are illegal from the gov't now. Every single shot is reclaimed, shredded and then melted down rather than refurbished. They don't allow re-selling of spent shells any longer until they've been decommissioned. Since most ammo out there is in refurbished shells, the price has gone through the roof as supplies of new shells are very much in demand. ....so say the rumor mills. -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 01.908.542.0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com V8013-R |
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Joe AutoDrill wrote:
"Ignoramus2981" wrote in message ... Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. Brass reloads are illegal from the gov't now. Every single shot is reclaimed, shredded and then melted down rather than refurbished. They don't allow re-selling of spent shells any longer until they've been decommissioned. Since most ammo out there is in refurbished shells, the price has gone through the roof as supplies of new shells are very much in demand. ...so say the rumor mills. Actually this was true, For about 5 DAYS. Then the hammer fell on the morons who pushed that paper through and it was rescinded. Seems they thought that the price of the scrap brass was worth more than the price of them as cases. When the bottom feel out of the scrap prices that rapidly changed. The current pricing is ENTIRELY due to this administrations past records and statements about banning firearms and enacting the ridiculous restrictions that have been passed in other states. Things like ammo registration and micro-stamping and such. I would not be one bit surprised to see these items get pushed through as amendments or even as single bill proposals. -- Steve W. |
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On Apr 16, 9:28*am, "Joe AutoDrill" wrote:
"Ignoramus2981" wrote in message ... Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. Brass reloads are illegal from the gov't now. *Every single shot is reclaimed, shredded and then melted down rather than refurbished. *They don't allow re-selling of spent shells any longer until they've been decommissioned. Since most ammo out there is in refurbished shells, the price has gone through the roof as supplies of new shells are very much in demand. ...so say the rumor mills. -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. (800) 871-5022 01.908.542.0244 Automatic / Pneumatic Drills:http://www.AutoDrill.com Multiple Spindle Drills:http://www.Multi-Drill.com Flagship Site:http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com V8013-R The rumor mill is wrong. The ammo "shortage" is manufacturer made. Just like the oil "shortage" was. TMT |
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:51:14 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus2981
scrawled the following: Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. Hey, YOU voted for Obama. Pin this one on his leanings and their effect on the market. Was -this- one of the changes you wanted from his presidency, Ig? I didn't think so, but change you got. Enjoy! -- I am beginning to learn that it is the sweet, simple things of life which are the real ones after all. --Laura Ingalls Wilder (1867-1957) |
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On 2009-04-16, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:51:14 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus2981 scrawled the following: Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. Hey, YOU voted for Obama. Pin this one on his leanings and their effect on the market. Was -this- one of the changes you wanted from his presidency, Ig? I didn't think so, but change you got. Well, if Obama does not enact any major anti-gun laws, but gun prices rise due to gun investing fools, I think that it is proper to blame gun investing fools and not Obama, and not myself for voting for him. Now, if Obama does enact anti gun legislation, that would certainly make him to blame. i |
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"Ignoramus2981" wrote in message ... On 2009-04-16, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:51:14 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus2981 scrawled the following: Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. Hey, YOU voted for Obama. Pin this one on his leanings and their effect on the market. Was -this- one of the changes you wanted from his presidency, Ig? I didn't think so, but change you got. Well, if Obama does not enact any major anti-gun laws, but gun prices rise due to gun investing fools, I think that it is proper to blame gun investing fools and not Obama, and not myself for voting for him. Now, if Obama does enact anti gun legislation, that would certainly make him to blame. i It's not so much Obama but the Democrats that have ALWAYS been anti-gun now feel empowered and they're gonna' try their best! (didn't you see this coming?) http://www.alphadogweb.com/firearms/Diane_Feinstein.htm |
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:46:25 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus2981
scrawled the following: On 2009-04-16, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:51:14 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus2981 scrawled the following: Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. Hey, YOU voted for Obama. Pin this one on his leanings and their effect on the market. Was -this- one of the changes you wanted from his presidency, Ig? I didn't think so, but change you got. Well, if Obama does not enact any major anti-gun laws, but gun prices rise due to gun investing fools, I think that it is proper to blame gun investing fools and not Obama, and not myself for voting for him. Now, if Obama does enact anti gun legislation, that would certainly make him to blame. Consider the extra purchases insurance against his leanings. Whether he bans any guns or not, he's a liberal Demonrat. The insurance covers the purchaser, and as purchasers, we all pay the price because of it. There was a cartoon recently showing Obama being cheered at the gun manufacturer's dinner for single-handedly causing more guns to be sold than any other recent salesman. Ironic, wot? -- I am beginning to learn that it is the sweet, simple things of life which are the real ones after all. --Laura Ingalls Wilder (1867-1957) |
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Ignoramus2981 wrote:
Well, if Obama does not enact any major anti-gun laws, but gun prices rise due to gun investing fools, I think that it is proper to blame gun investing fools and not Obama, and not myself for voting for him. Now, if Obama does enact anti gun legislation, that would certainly make him to blame. I think Obama is savvy enough to stay away from gun control, at least for a few years. He has to deal with his party that is dominated by some, shall we say, fairly left of center types. To win a majority the Dems had to run some fairly moderate people to capitalize on how freaking p*ss*d most conservative republicans were feeling against their own people. Those Dems that were elected are the dampening rods now that are keeping the Democratic party from going full left off of the rails. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On 2009-04-16, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus2981 wrote: Well, if Obama does not enact any major anti-gun laws, but gun prices rise due to gun investing fools, I think that it is proper to blame gun investing fools and not Obama, and not myself for voting for him. Now, if Obama does enact anti gun legislation, that would certainly make him to blame. I think Obama is savvy enough to stay away from gun control, at least for a few years. He has to deal with his party that is dominated by some, shall we say, fairly left of center types. To win a majority the Dems had to run some fairly moderate people to capitalize on how freaking p*ss*d most conservative republicans were feeling against their own people. Those Dems that were elected are the dampening rods now that are keeping the Democratic party from going full left off of the rails. I think that on the basis of political calculation, alone, gun ban is not worth pursuing. Democrats got burned on it, I believe at least twice in recent history. That said, I am not 100% sure that no gun control will be enacted, but I think that it is not likely to be enacted in any serious form. i |
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Ignoramus2981 wrote:
I think that on the basis of political calculation, alone, gun ban is not worth pursuing. Democrats got burned on it, I believe at least twice in recent history. That said, I am not 100% sure that no gun control will be enacted, but I think that it is not likely to be enacted in any serious form. I'm sure they will take a few nibbles. I'm also afraid that gun ownership will die a death of a million cuts. I don't care for many of the trends in our society. Wes |
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Well, if Obama does not enact any major anti-gun laws, but gun prices rise due to gun investing fools, I think that it is proper to blame gun investing fools and not Obama, and not myself for voting for him. Now, if Obama does enact anti gun legislation, that would certainly make him to blame. I think Obama is savvy enough to stay away from gun control, at least for a few years. He has to deal with his party that is dominated by some, shall we say, fairly left of center types. To win a majority the Dems had to run some fairly moderate people to capitalize on how freaking p*ss*d most conservative republicans were feeling against their own people. Those Dems that were elected are the dampening rods now that are keeping the Democratic party from going full left off of the rails. Wes As much as the right wingers would like you to believe it the Democrats are not stupid, at least when it comes to keeping their seats. After Gore's loss in 2000, which many blamed on his gun control position, a lot of Democrats saw the light and realized that the only thing being anti gun did for them was to cost them votes. You will notice that except for a few of the real die hard liberals you don't hear anything negative about guns coming from the rest of the Democrats. They learned that being anti gun is not a good place to be when election day rolls around. You will also notice that many of the Democrats that were elected last time are not like the old Democrats. In fact, many of them have a lot of conservative views and especially the ones from western states. The consequence is that you actually have quite a few pro gun Democrats. Because of this you will not see any radical gun control laws being passed even if Obama is for them. This will be because he will have too much Democratic opposition. So the laws on guns won't change much if at all. But the fear of a certain percentage of the population will continue to feed the gun buying frenzy for at least a while longer. Hawke |
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--Prolly has a lot to do with where it's shipped from; local taxes
and I'll bet a hefty hazmat fee for transport. But if you need 1,000 rounds to hit your target you've got a bigger problem, heh. -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Imagine what I could do if Hacking the Trailing Edge! : I knew what I was doing... www.nmpproducts.com ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
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Ignoramus2981 wrote:
Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. Be glad you're not shooting 7.62x51. I paid about $550/1000 for German NATO surplus and I was happy to get it. I can't anymore. In addition to the speculators and Obama fear mongers buying up ammo, there's also an ongoing demand for it in the sandbox. I don't think the high prices will last forever. |
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:51:14 -0500, Ignoramus2981
wrote: Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. i having a sticker shock ============= This is making th financial pages. See http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123984046627223159.html We would all do well to remember that real estate is not the only thing that can develop a "bubble." Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end? Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625). |
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Ignoramus2981 wrote:
Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. i having a sticker shock When what I feared didn't happen for the most part during the Clinton administration, I ended up with a 'fair' supply of components. Fair enough that I'm sitting this panic out for a while. For some reason, I think the worry is worse this cycle than in Clintons terms. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On 2009-04-16, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus2981 wrote: Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. i having a sticker shock When what I feared didn't happen for the most part during the Clinton administration, I ended up with a 'fair' supply of components. Fair enough that I'm sitting this panic out for a while. For some reason, I think the worry is worse this cycle than in Clintons terms. I think that people developed a bubble mentality, jumping from one bubble to another. Doctors stockpiling ammo as an investment? No further proof needed. i |
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Ignoramus2981 wrote:
I think that people developed a bubble mentality, jumping from one bubble to another. Doctors stockpiling ammo as an investment? No further proof needed. I'm sure there is investors in this. The currio and relic market has been ruined by investor types vs true gun collecters. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On 2009-04-16, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus2981 wrote: I think that people developed a bubble mentality, jumping from one bubble to another. Doctors stockpiling ammo as an investment? No further proof needed. I'm sure there is investors in this. The currio and relic market has been ruined by investor types vs true gun collecters. I have always been after guns that are practically usable, but personally, I agree with you. i |
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Ignoramus2981 wrote:
I have always been after guns that are practically usable, but personally, I agree with you. Outside of hunting and self defense guns, I've been more interested by concepts and execution. My dream would be to go back to the times of Paul Mauser and tour his factory. Wes |
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:26:34 -0400, the infamous Wes
scrawled the following: Ignoramus2981 wrote: I think that people developed a bubble mentality, jumping from one bubble to another. Doctors stockpiling ammo as an investment? No further proof needed. I'm sure there is investors in this. The currio and relic market has been ruined by investor types vs true gun collecters. One example is last night's ad in the local rag for a Russian SKS for only $700, no extras included at all. It's probably a beater, too. -- I am beginning to learn that it is the sweet, simple things of life which are the real ones after all. --Laura Ingalls Wilder (1867-1957) |
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On 2009-04-17, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:26:34 -0400, the infamous Wes scrawled the following: Ignoramus2981 wrote: I think that people developed a bubble mentality, jumping from one bubble to another. Doctors stockpiling ammo as an investment? No further proof needed. I'm sure there is investors in this. The currio and relic market has been ruined by investor types vs true gun collecters. One example is last night's ad in the local rag for a Russian SKS for only $700, no extras included at all. It's probably a beater, too. I wonder what these gun investors are thinking when they pay inflated prices for these guns. i |
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On Apr 16, 4:26*pm, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus2981 wrote: I think that people developed a bubble mentality, jumping from one bubble to another. Doctors stockpiling ammo as an investment? No further proof needed. I'm sure there is investors in this. *The currio and relic market has been ruined by investor types vs true gun collecters. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." *Dick Anthony Heller Could you expand on how the curio and relic market have been ruined by the investor types versus true gun collectors? TMT |
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:18:26 -0400, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus2981 wrote: Went to cheaperthandirt.com to replenish some supplies, and was shocked to see that 1,000 rounds of 7.62x39 now costs $499. WTF? There is no anti-gun legislation that was adopted yet, it can still be imported, etc, why such a crazy price? That stuff used to cost under $100 for a thousand, if I remember right. i having a sticker shock When what I feared didn't happen for the most part during the Clinton administration, I ended up with a 'fair' supply of components. Fair enough that I'm sitting this panic out for a while. For some reason, I think the worry is worse this cycle than in Clintons terms. Wes Of course it is. Clinton, while a schmuck, wasnt a Marxist. Gunner "Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do--- his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him. The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies. He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?" NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates |
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Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on
or about Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:01:35 -0700 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following: having a sticker shock When what I feared didn't happen for the most part during the Clinton administration, I ended up with a 'fair' supply of components. Fair enough that I'm sitting this panic out for a while. For some reason, I think the worry is worse this cycle than in Clintons terms. Wes Of course it is. Clinton, while a schmuck, wasnt a Marxist. Il est un marxiste, modèle Groucho. Gunner - pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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