As someone requested in an earlier thread I've posted a couple of drawings
and some assembly instructions for my ring roller project. Let me know if
I've missed anything.

http://www.progressivelogic.com/mf/ringroller.html

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"

Very nice job, Keith, both on the roller and the details.

--
WB
..........
metalworking projects
www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html


"Keith Marshall" wrote in message
...
As someone requested in an earlier thread I've posted a couple of drawings
and some assembly instructions for my ring roller project. Let me know if
I've missed anything.

http://www.progressivelogic.com/mf/ringroller.html

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"

On Mar 30, 4:24*am, "Keith Marshall"
wrote:

http://www.progressivelogic.com/mf/ringroller.html

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall

I like the design. As simple as possible but no simpler. I
bookmarked your web site. I might want to build one some day.

Dan

" fired this volley in news:54fc23fe-
:

I like the design. As simple as possible but no simpler.

Dan, when I read a statement like that, all I can think is, "How _could_
anything be simpler than 'as simple as possible'?"

G

LLoyd

On Mar 30, 11:27*am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
" fired this volley in news:54fc23fe-
:

I like the design. *As simple as possible but no simpler.

Dan, when I read a statement like that, all I can think is, "How _could_
anything be simpler than 'as simple as possible'?"

G

LLoyd

Maybe not simpler but cheaper, I use either brass water pipe or
welding-rod roller bearings running on Grade 8 bolt axles.

On Mar 30, 4:27*pm, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
lloydspinsidemindspring.com wrote:
" fired this volley in news:54fc23fe-
:

I like the design. *As simple as possible but no simpler.

Dan, when I read a statement like that, all I can think is, "How _could_
anything be simpler than 'as simple as possible'?"

G

LLoyd

It is often attributed to Albert Einstein and he did say something
close. I think the idea is suppose to be that if it were made
simpler, it would not work, or not work well. Or something........

Anyway the design does not have any doodads that are not needed and
looks like it would be very straightforward to build.

Dan

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:24:31 -0400, the infamous "Keith Marshall"
scrawled the following:

As someone requested in an earlier thread

Yo! (waving hand)


I've posted a couple of drawings
and some assembly instructions for my ring roller project. Let me know if
I've missed anything.

http://www.progressivelogic.com/mf/ringroller.html

Thanks, Keith. Building one is much preferable to buying one.

Questions:

What clearance are you using for the base-to-lift platform?

Are the slides greased, or do they need it?

Do you have plans to electrify it using a gear motor?

--
Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in
nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding
danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.
-- Helen Keller

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
Thanks, Keith. Building one is much preferable to buying one.

You're welcome and I agree!

Questions:
What clearance are you using for the base-to-lift platform?

If I understand what you're asking, it's 8" from the top of the base to the
bottom of the lift platform. The jack I used is 8" when fully retracted.

Are the slides greased, or do they need it?

They're not but it would probably be a good idea. Or just a light oil. I
think it would help the lift platform drop back down more easily more than
anything.

Do you have plans to electrify it using a gear motor?

I don't but the guy that bought the 2nd one does. He told me before I built
it that he wants to put a jeep rear end on it to gear it way down and then
motorize it. Seems like a bit of overkill to me but it's his now so he can
do whatever he wants with it. :-)

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"

"Wild_Bill" wrote in message
Very nice job, Keith, both on the roller and the details.

Thanks!

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"

wrote in message
I like the design. As simple as possible but no simpler. I
bookmarked your web site. I might want to build one some day.

Thank you!

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:02:41 -0400, the infamous "Keith Marshall"
scrawled the following:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
Thanks, Keith. Building one is much preferable to buying one.

You're welcome and I agree!

So we can see.


Questions:
What clearance are you using for the base-to-lift platform?

If I understand what you're asking, it's 8" from the top of the base to the
bottom of the lift platform. The jack I used is 8" when fully retracted.

No, I was referring to clearance between the vertical guides and
horizontal lift platform pieces, the sliding clearances.


Are the slides greased, or do they need it?

They're not but it would probably be a good idea. Or just a light oil. I
think it would help the lift platform drop back down more easily more than
anything.

I was thinking wear and ease of use. Swipe all rubbing surfaces with a
bit of moly wheel bearing grease before assembly for a thin, highly
slick surface. It'll help keep the paint on and prevent rust, too.


Do you have plans to electrify it using a gear motor?

I don't but the guy that bought the 2nd one does. He told me before I built
it that he wants to put a jeep rear end on it to gear it way down and then
motorize it. Seems like a bit of overkill to me but it's his now so he can
do whatever he wants with it. :-)

Jeep? Yeah, way overkill. 1+ horsepower gear motor'd prolly do it.
----

--
You can't do anything about the length of your life,
but you _can_ do something about its width and depth.
-- Evan Esar

No, I was referring to clearance between the vertical guides and
horizontal lift platform pieces, the sliding clearances.

If you mean the side plates against the center plates, I just slid them
against each other and tack welded everything. After final welding it all
fit together well enough that I could easily slide it up and down by hand
without it trying to jam.

I was really concerned about the lift platform fitting between the center
plates though and thought about putting something behind one of the plates
to shim it out before welding but I didn't need it. There's enough flex in
the center plates that it didn't need anything.

But the grease is a good idea and I had planned on using some but when it
came down to getting it finished and delivered I forgot all about it.
They've been using the first one I built without anything and it's worked ok
but you're right that it would save the paint and make everything work more
smoothly.

One thing that can be a problem as far as clearance though is when you weld
the side plates to the lift platform. I tacked them on at first to make
sure everything was lined up well but when I welded the top joints the
plates drew in a bit. I planned for it somewhat by putting a scrap piece of
the 4" square tubing between the plates while welding but they still drew in
slightly and I ended up putting the lower rollers back in my lathe and
turning about .030" off the length so they would fit.

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:21:05 -0400, the infamous "Keith Marshall"
scrawled the following:

No, I was referring to clearance between the vertical guides and
horizontal lift platform pieces, the sliding clearances.

If you mean the side plates against the center plates, I just slid them
against each other and tack welded everything. After final welding it all
fit together well enough that I could easily slide it up and down by hand
without it trying to jam.

I thought that (Government Work) might be how it went together. g


I was really concerned about the lift platform fitting between the center
plates though and thought about putting something behind one of the plates
to shim it out before welding but I didn't need it. There's enough flex in
the center plates that it didn't need anything.

Bueno.


But the grease is a good idea and I had planned on using some but when it
came down to getting it finished and delivered I forgot all about it.
They've been using the first one I built without anything and it's worked ok
but you're right that it would save the paint and make everything work more
smoothly.

IIWY, I'd do it now before it gets used much. It'll save that wear
which would come from scraping and trapping metal scrapings. Remind
yourself of that night on the beach with the girl but without the
blanket. Keeping sand (or swarf) out of intimate places really makes a
difference on sliding surfaces. titter


One thing that can be a problem as far as clearance though is when you weld
the side plates to the lift platform. I tacked them on at first to make
sure everything was lined up well but when I welded the top joints the
plates drew in a bit. I planned for it somewhat by putting a scrap piece of
the 4" square tubing between the plates while welding but they still drew in
slightly and I ended up putting the lower rollers back in my lathe and
turning about .030" off the length so they would fit.

What? You don't have a PortaPower? Shameful!
(Damn, but they're handy!)

One last question: Why didn't you bore for bearings and use them in
all the rollers? I'd think that this would make the difference between
a smooth-working tubing roller and one which works you.

I got a workout on a metal machine today. After carrying a truck-bed
full of compost onto the lady's new garden area, I got the 6hp
front-tined tilling beastie down off the truck by myself and let it
wrestle me around the clayey soil -slope- for an hour, then I wrestled
it back up onto the truck by myself, taking the -very- last ounce of
my energy. I'm renting a rear-tined beastie with its own trailer the
next time I get suckered into tilling.

--
You can't do anything about the length of your life,
but you _can_ do something about its width and depth.
-- Evan Esar

Keeping sand (or swarf) out of intimate places really makes a
difference on sliding surfaces. titter

How true! :-)

What? You don't have a PortaPower? Shameful!
(Damn, but they're handy!)

Actually I do and I even have one of the short-travel rams that's really
strong. It bent it out well enough but it wouldn't stay and I was out of
gas for my torch and couldn't heat it up. This was the unit shown in the
pictures on my site and it has the wider side plates. The place where I buy
my metal didn't have any 3/8" that was 8" wide so I went with some 1/2".
It was less likely to bend than the 3/8" but more likely to stay where it
bent to. :-)

One last question: Why didn't you bore for bearings and use them in
all the rollers? I'd think that this would make the difference between
a smooth-working tubing roller and one which works you.

I don't really think it would make all that much difference. The real work
is the bending of the metal and you can tell that by how far you jack it for
each pass. :-)

Actually I'm sure there are quite a few things I could have done to make it
better but for this particular use it just wasn't worth it. They were both
looking for something quick and cheap to get the job done.

One thing I did do that probably helps a little though is to turn down the
ends of the rollers so that they look like they have a 1 1/2" washer on the
ends. That should be better than the entire diameter of the roller rubbing
on the plates.

I got a workout on a metal machine today. After carrying a truck-bed
full of compost onto the lady's new garden area, I got the 6hp
front-tined tilling beastie down off the truck by myself and let it
wrestle me around the clayey soil -slope- for an hour, then I wrestled
it back up onto the truck by myself, taking the -very- last ounce of
my energy. I'm renting a rear-tined beastie with its own trailer the
next time I get suckered into tilling.

I have a bad back so I avoid heavy lifting if possible. Plus my son loves
doing that sort of thing so we call him whenever the wife needs the garden
tilled.

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"

On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 02:53:01 -0400, the infamous "Keith Marshall"
scrawled the following:

Keeping sand (or swarf) out of intimate places really makes a
difference on sliding surfaces. titter

How true! :-)

What? You don't have a PortaPower? Shameful!
(Damn, but they're handy!)

Actually I do and I even have one of the short-travel rams that's really
strong. It bent it out well enough but it wouldn't stay and I was out of
gas for my torch and couldn't heat it up. This was the unit shown in the
pictures on my site and it has the wider side plates. The place where I buy
my metal didn't have any 3/8" that was 8" wide so I went with some 1/2".
It was less likely to bend than the 3/8" but more likely to stay where it
bent to. :-)

One last question: Why didn't you bore for bearings and use them in
all the rollers? I'd think that this would make the difference between
a smooth-working tubing roller and one which works you.

I don't really think it would make all that much difference. The real work
is the bending of the metal and you can tell that by how far you jack it for
each pass. :-)

Given the pressures, I'd figure that it could make a lot of
difference. I mean, even HF puts bearings in, which hints heavily
along that line.

Do yourself a favor: make some rollers with bearings (and then let us
know.


Actually I'm sure there are quite a few things I could have done to make it
better but for this particular use it just wasn't worth it. They were both
looking for something quick and cheap to get the job done.

One thing I did do that probably helps a little though is to turn down the
ends of the rollers so that they look like they have a 1 1/2" washer on the
ends. That should be better than the entire diameter of the roller rubbing
on the plates.

Yes, for as long as the built-in washers last, anyway, though there's
likely not too much side pressure on them.


I got a workout on a metal machine today. After carrying a truck-bed
full of compost onto the lady's new garden area, I got the 6hp
front-tined tilling beastie down off the truck by myself and let it
wrestle me around the clayey soil -slope- for an hour, then I wrestled
it back up onto the truck by myself, taking the -very- last ounce of
my energy. I'm renting a rear-tined beastie with its own trailer the
next time I get suckered into tilling.

I have a bad back so I avoid heavy lifting if possible. Plus my son loves
doing that sort of thing so we call him whenever the wife needs the garden
tilled.

I wish I had a -crew- for that sort of thing.

--
You can't do anything about the length of your life,
but you _can_ do something about its width and depth.
-- Evan Esar

Someone taunted:

What? You don't have a PortaPower? Shameful!
(Damn, but they're handy!)


Agri-Supply Company of Micro NC has a porta-power setup in their new
catalog, for (IIRC) $149, with pretty much all of the toys.

LLoyd

Do yourself a favor: make some rollers with bearings (and then let us
know.

Well after all the work of making 2 of them I don't actually have one of my
own. :-)

If I build one for myself I'll try the bearings.

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"

On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:33:41 -0400, the infamous "Keith Marshall"
scrawled the following:

Do yourself a favor: make some rollers with bearings (and then let us
know.

Well after all the work of making 2 of them I don't actually have one of my
own. :-)

If I build one for myself I'll try the bearings.

I guess I misread that first post, thinking that you'd made one for
someone else and then one for yourself. Too bad.

I'll bet the second one went much more quickly, and a third might take
even less time.

--
You can't do anything about the length of your life,
but you _can_ do something about its width and depth.
-- Evan Esar

I guess I misread that first post, thinking that you'd made one for
someone else and then one for yourself. Too bad.

I have reasonably convenient access to the 1st one if needed.

I'll bet the second one went much more quickly, and a third might take
even less time.

True.

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"