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Cool little staple gun project
I need an air staple gun to shoot an 18ga., 1/4" crown, by 1/2" length.
But, the driver has to protrude 1/2" past the end of the nose. Of course, there's nothing like that available, nor is there a long nose gun that I could just shorten the nose by 1/2" available. I need at least 1-3/8" finished nose length to get clearance. We need to repair single bad tufts in flat wire brushes. When the machine, operator, wire or other thing screws up and makes a bad tuft, we repair the tuft rather than scrap the brush. Years ago, I modified a BeA staple gun very easily by shortening the piston, and lengthening the nose and the driver. The BeA is now obsolete (of course!) and trigger parts and bi-material pistons are nowhere to be found ANYWHERE! My staple gun guy sells me $1k/week of ballistic screws and is motivated, knowledgeable and I trust his scrounging ability. The BeA was his idea years ago and he gave me the gun and all the parts over the years. I trust him enough to not even bother looking for parts myself. The new BeA that replaces mine uses a disk piston, the cylinder is part of the casting and is a very bad choice to modify. So, his latest idea is use a Senco gun and make a longer cylinder, a spacer between the body casting and the rear cap to accommodate the longer cylinder, a longer driver and longer nose pieces. With this strategy, we can make any length nose and any length over-stroke. And, Senco should be supplying parts for many years. An ideal project that won't take too long, demand some precision, won't cost very much and have immediate pay-back. I've got about 25 barrels of repairs to do. And, since I'm making ONE, I'm going to make TWO or THREE for very little more time and money! |
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Cool little staple gun project
Buerste wrote:
I need an air staple gun to shoot an 18ga., 1/4" crown, by 1/2" length. But, the driver has to protrude 1/2" past the end of the nose. Of course, there's nothing like that available, nor is there a long nose gun that I could just shorten the nose by 1/2" available. I need at least 1-3/8" finished nose length to get clearance. We need to repair single bad tufts in flat wire brushes. When the machine, operator, wire or other thing screws up and makes a bad tuft, we repair the tuft rather than scrap the brush. Years ago, I modified a BeA staple gun very easily by shortening the piston, and lengthening the nose and the driver. The BeA is now obsolete (of course!) and trigger parts and bi-material pistons are nowhere to be found ANYWHERE! My staple gun guy sells me $1k/week of ballistic screws and is motivated, knowledgeable and I trust his scrounging ability. The BeA was his idea years ago and he gave me the gun and all the parts over the years. I trust him enough to not even bother looking for parts myself. The new BeA that replaces mine uses a disk piston, the cylinder is part of the casting and is a very bad choice to modify. So, his latest idea is use a Senco gun and make a longer cylinder, a spacer between the body casting and the rear cap to accommodate the longer cylinder, a longer driver and longer nose pieces. With this strategy, we can make any length nose and any length over-stroke. And, Senco should be supplying parts for many years. An ideal project that won't take too long, demand some precision, won't cost very much and have immediate pay-back. I've got about 25 barrels of repairs to do. And, since I'm making ONE, I'm going to make TWO or THREE for very little more time and money! Why not an electric unit? Simple single trip solenoid and make whatever you want for a nose assembly. The electric unit I have will shoot a 1.5 inch staple into oak with no problem. -- Steve W. Near Cooperstown, New York |
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Cool little staple gun project
I've got two power staplers for my business. My air stapler shoots a 1/4" x
3/4 18 gauge staple into wood boxes. Sounds just like yours before mods. You pull the trigger and that thing goes. No safeties on this old init. The other is an electric box stapler out of a large factory. Its got a four foot high post with a shoe. Slide the formed box over it and step on the foot actuator. You start getting two staples per second. I've got three machines on the place that no one else operates. These are two of them. Karl |
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:44:38 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following: I need an air staple gun to shoot an 18ga., 1/4" crown, by 1/2" length. But, the driver has to protrude 1/2" past the end of the nose. Of course, there's nothing like that available, nor is there a long nose gun that I could just shorten the nose by 1/2" available. I need at least 1-3/8" finished nose length to get clearance. Darn, that precludes using a $15, off-the-shelf, Chiwanese job from HF, doesn't it? titter We need to repair single bad tufts in flat wire brushes. When the machine, operator, wire or other thing screws up and makes a bad tuft, we repair the tuft rather than scrap the brush. Years ago, I modified a BeA staple gun very easily by shortening the piston, and lengthening the nose and the driver. The BeA is now obsolete (of course!) and trigger parts and bi-material pistons are nowhere to be found ANYWHERE! My staple gun guy Suckage. sells me $1k/week of ballistic screws and is motivated, knowledgeable and I Holy ****, Batman! $1k/wk? thud trust his scrounging ability. The BeA was his idea years ago and he gave me the gun and all the parts over the years. I trust him enough to not even bother looking for parts myself. The new BeA that replaces mine uses a disk piston, the cylinder is part of the casting and is a very bad choice to modify. Si! So, his latest idea is use a Senco gun and make a longer cylinder, a spacer between the body casting and the rear cap to accommodate the longer cylinder, a longer driver and longer nose pieces. With this strategy, we can make any length nose and any length over-stroke. And, Senco should be supplying parts for many years. True. An ideal project that won't take too long, demand some precision, won't cost very much and have immediate pay-back. All good! I've got about 25 barrels of repairs to do. And, since I'm making ONE, I'm going to make TWO or THREE for very little more time and money! That's an -excellent- idea, you frisky little rascalette. Carry on. GIFs at 11, we presume? -- Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get tired. -- Jules Renard |
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Cool little staple gun project
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... snip sells me $1k/week of ballistic screws and is motivated, knowledgeable and I Holy ****, Batman! $1k/wk? thud We built a machine that uses two big air nailers to automatically shoot two ballistic screws (shoot them in, unscrew them out - WAY cool) into "D" shaped handles on grill brushes. The fasteners are expensive but cheaper than labor to use conventional screws. I'll have to post pix of the machine, it took a year for Roger to design and build. My staple-gun guy loves me for fastener sales! |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:13:51 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . snip sells me $1k/week of ballistic screws and is motivated, knowledgeable and I Holy ****, Batman! $1k/wk? thud We built a machine that uses two big air nailers to automatically shoot two ballistic screws (shoot them in, unscrew them out - WAY cool) into "D" shaped handles on grill brushes. The fasteners are expensive but cheaper than labor to use conventional screws. I'll have to post pix of the machine, it took a year for Roger to design and build. My staple-gun guy loves me for fastener sales! I checked the price of some on Amazone. $204 for 4k of them. That's 10,000 brushes you make each month? Crikey! Your company is larger than I thought, maam. tips hat -- Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get tired. -- Jules Renard |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:13:51 -0500, the infamous "Buerste" scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message . .. snip sells me $1k/week of ballistic screws and is motivated, knowledgeable and I Holy ****, Batman! $1k/wk? thud We built a machine that uses two big air nailers to automatically shoot two ballistic screws (shoot them in, unscrew them out - WAY cool) into "D" shaped handles on grill brushes. The fasteners are expensive but cheaper than labor to use conventional screws. I'll have to post pix of the machine, it took a year for Roger to design and build. My staple-gun guy loves me for fastener sales! I checked the price of some on Amazone. $204 for 4k of them. That's 10,000 brushes you make each month? Crikey! Your company is larger than I thought, maam. tips hat -- Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get tired. -- Jules Renard This machine makes 600/day if all goes well but we see 25% down time due to all the usual reasons. The new machine should see 10% down time and run 10% faster. We plan on retrofitting the other two machines with the improvements assuming the trials prove my numbers. Here's the one with the ballistic screws in the handle http://catalog.carlislesmp.com/foods...1/4067600.html Here's the small one, we make close to 1,000/day of these. About half go to Double Broiler King pictured below. The other half go other customers. But, we get 5%-8% repairs...thus the staple gun. http://catalog.carlislesmp.com/unlisted/4029400.html Flat wire brushes account for 75% of my sales. I'm by far the largest flat wire producer in the world but it's not that big of a market to attract the Chinese and they'd have to reinvent the wheel, I already know flat wire and the new machine will be my 5th generation, not counting computer simulations that didn't work out. The first generation was lucky to get 300 parts/day with 3 people doing the work, one drilling holes, one filling holes with wire and one nailing the wire into the holes from the side. And to think I wanted to abandon these products because they are such a PITA but one of my customers at the time talked me out of it and inspired me to come up with better technology. Good thing, or I would have folded up long ago. |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:44:28 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:13:51 -0500, the infamous "Buerste" scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... snip sells me $1k/week of ballistic screws and is motivated, knowledgeable and I Holy ****, Batman! $1k/wk? thud We built a machine that uses two big air nailers to automatically shoot two ballistic screws (shoot them in, unscrew them out - WAY cool) into "D" shaped handles on grill brushes. The fasteners are expensive but cheaper than labor to use conventional screws. I'll have to post pix of the machine, it took a year for Roger to design and build. My staple-gun guy loves me for fastener sales! I checked the price of some on Amazone. $204 for 4k of them. That's 10,000 brushes you make each month? Crikey! Your company is larger than I thought, maam. tips hat -- Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get tired. -- Jules Renard This machine makes 600/day if all goes well but we see 25% down time due to all the usual reasons. The new machine should see 10% down time and run 10% faster. We plan on retrofitting the other two machines with the improvements assuming the trials prove my numbers. Yeah, I remember you gushing on about your improvements, as well you should. Here's the one with the ballistic screws in the handle http://catalog.carlislesmp.com/foods...1/4067600.html Here's the small one, we make close to 1,000/day of these. About half go to Double Broiler King pictured below. The other half go other customers. But, we get 5%-8% repairs...thus the staple gun. That's a -lot- of brushes, sir. What have you done to reduce the repair rate, or is that the cost of a quick production line and you're OK with it? (but want the broken parts fixed and sold vs. scrapped) http://catalog.carlislesmp.com/unlisted/4029400.html Flat wire brushes account for 75% of my sales. I'm by far the largest flat wire producer in the world but it's not that big of a market to attract the Chinese You're damned lucky there, Tawm. Keep up with the luck and skill parts, eh? We're proud of you! and they'd have to reinvent the wheel, I already know flat wire and the new machine will be my 5th generation, not counting computer simulations that didn't work out. The first generation was lucky to get 300 parts/day with 3 people doing the work, one drilling holes, one filling holes with wire and one nailing the wire into the holes from the side. And to think I wanted to abandon these products because they are such a PITA but one of my customers at the time talked me out of it and inspired me to come up with better technology. Good thing, or I would have folded up long ago. It's funny how "coincidence" works, isn't it? Hang in there. -- Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you get tired. -- Jules Renard |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... snip That's a -lot- of brushes, sir. What have you done to reduce the repair rate, or is that the cost of a quick production line and you're OK with it? (but want the broken parts fixed and sold vs. scrapped) To reduce repairs and scrap we have started designing a more comprehensive training program to minimize the operator error part. We redesigned the wire despoolers that accounted for a large percentage of problems. The other big culprits are the wire feed mechanism and wire cutter. I figure that for every percent of repairs reduced is the equivalent of increasing speed three percent or more. Every percent of scrap reduced is even more. I think we've fried all the big fish on the new machine and can't see any major redesigns or improvements. The next big project is new technology for making wire wheel brushes...then I'm gone retire! |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:35:22 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . snip That's a -lot- of brushes, sir. What have you done to reduce the repair rate, or is that the cost of a quick production line and you're OK with it? (but want the broken parts fixed and sold vs. scrapped) To reduce repairs and scrap we have started designing a more comprehensive training program to minimize the operator error part. We redesigned the wire despoolers that accounted for a large percentage of problems. Bueno, bwana. The other big culprits are the wire feed mechanism and wire cutter. I figure that for every percent of repairs reduced is the equivalent of increasing speed three percent or more. Every percent of scrap reduced is even more. Also good. I think we've fried all the big fish on the new machine and can't see any major redesigns or improvements. The next big project is new technology for making wire wheel brushes...then I'm gone retire! Yeah, retire and rake in all that cashish! wink Wait a minute. What does an unemployed/retired lesbian machinist _do_ all day? No, never mind. Don't tell me. I really don't want to know. --- Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. --John Wayne (1907 - 1979) |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:35:22 -0500, the infamous "Buerste" scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message . .. snip That's a -lot- of brushes, sir. What have you done to reduce the repair rate, or is that the cost of a quick production line and you're OK with it? (but want the broken parts fixed and sold vs. scrapped) To reduce repairs and scrap we have started designing a more comprehensive training program to minimize the operator error part. We redesigned the wire despoolers that accounted for a large percentage of problems. Bueno, bwana. The other big culprits are the wire feed mechanism and wire cutter. I figure that for every percent of repairs reduced is the equivalent of increasing speed three percent or more. Every percent of scrap reduced is even more. Also good. I think we've fried all the big fish on the new machine and can't see any major redesigns or improvements. The next big project is new technology for making wire wheel brushes...then I'm gone retire! Yeah, retire and rake in all that cashish! wink Wait a minute. What does an unemployed/retired lesbian machinist _do_ all day? No, never mind. Don't tell me. I really don't want to know. --- Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. --John Wayne (1907 - 1979) Here, smell my finger! |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:35:22 -0500, "Buerste" wrote:
major redesigns or improvements. The next big project is new technology for making wire wheel brushes...then I'm gone retire! Oh NO. Do you still have the r.c.m discount? If you do, I better order before you get too close to retirement. I want to see what brushes (wire wheels) that work are like. RWL |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:45:40 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:35:22 -0500, the infamous "Buerste" scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... snip That's a -lot- of brushes, sir. What have you done to reduce the repair rate, or is that the cost of a quick production line and you're OK with it? (but want the broken parts fixed and sold vs. scrapped) To reduce repairs and scrap we have started designing a more comprehensive training program to minimize the operator error part. We redesigned the wire despoolers that accounted for a large percentage of problems. Bueno, bwana. The other big culprits are the wire feed mechanism and wire cutter. I figure that for every percent of repairs reduced is the equivalent of increasing speed three percent or more. Every percent of scrap reduced is even more. Also good. I think we've fried all the big fish on the new machine and can't see any major redesigns or improvements. The next big project is new technology for making wire wheel brushes...then I'm gone retire! Yeah, retire and rake in all that cashish! wink Wait a minute. What does an unemployed/retired lesbian machinist _do_ all day? No, never mind. Don't tell me. I really don't want to know. --- Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. --John Wayne (1907 - 1979) Here, smell my finger! Which one? You didn't pick her up like a bowling ball, did you? knowing wink --- Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. --John Wayne (1907 - 1979) |
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