....YES, BY EMPLOYERS AND THE GOVERNMENT

A standard attack on unions is that the government needs to repress
unions because workers have a history of violence in strikes. The
historical record shows that the violence, and especially murder, has
come
overwhelmingly from the other direction, through government police,
labor
spies, security guards, and Pinkerton forces employed to break
strikes.

One of the first great strike waves of this country occured on the
railways in 1877; in that strike, US federal troops repeatedly opened
fire
of strikers battling with the monopolistic railways, killing twelve
people
in Baltimore, killing twenty-five in Pittsburg, and using troops
throughout the country to break the strike. Local police in Pittsburg
had
actually supported the strikers because public opinion so supported
the
strike, but President Hayes made sure federal troops were used to
defend
the railroad monopolies.

In July of 1892, Carnegie Steel declared war on the Amalgamated union
of
iron, steel and tin workers as they went on strike. A private
Pinkerton
army marched against the union's position armed with Winchester
rifles--seven
strikers died and three Pinkertons died from return fire. Under this
attack, the union was broken and teh steel industry would not be under
union contract again until 1937, forty-five years later.

In coming years, strike after strike would be broken at the hands of
state
militias: switchmen in Buffalo, coal miners in Tennessee.

In 1894, Eugene Debs and the American Railway Union led a strike after
the
arbitrary firings of Pullman Car workers; the strike escalated
nationwide.
Despite protests from the Governor of Illinois who noted there was no
coercion or violence by the strikers, President
Grover Cleveland, sent in four companies of the 15th Infantry to crush
the
strike. Injunctions were ordered and 200 strike leaders were arrested
and
th strike was broken. Eugene Debs would be imprisoned under the
Sherman
Anti-Trust Act and went to jail and his union was crushed.

In 1898, 1200 western miners on strike were imprisoned without charge
to
break a strike in Idaho.

To note the repression by the government in other ways, note that in
1902,
the United Hatters union announced a national boycott against a
hatter's
company in Connecticut. THe company sued the hatter's union under the
Sherman Act and the courts upheld damages against the union that led
to
union members having home foreclosures against their homes and the
bankrupting of union coffers. Other boycotts were matched by a
conviction
of two years prison for the head of the American Federation of Labor
(although he eventually had the conviction dropped).

Unions found that if they struck, the government would issue an
injunction
and jailed; if they called for a boycott, they'd be bankrupted by the
courts or threatened with imprisonment. At the same time, attempts by
unions to use legislation such as limits to the working day or
minimum-wage laws were voided by the courts (until 1937 and the New
Deal).
Unions found that whether through the ballot, through a strike, or
through
speech and boycotts--the employers and government would attack them.

In 1912, a massive strike in the wool mills of Lawrence, MA showed
where
employer violence overstepped its bounds and backfired. Despite the
deployment of the militia and the arrest of strike leaders, the
company
could not break the strike. In order to survive economically,
unionists
planned to send their children to supporters in other states. The
company
and its supporters declared that no children would be allowed to leave
the
city. When the strike committee undertook to take the children to the
railway station, the police and militia surrounded the station, the
police
closed in and began to beat mothers and children mericilessly.
Despite the
jailing of 296 strikers, public protest and continued resistance
forced the
company to raise wages although the union was never recognized.

Possibly the most bloody attack on unionists was Ludlow, Colorado in
1913 where J.D. Rockefeller and his Colorado Fuel and Iron Company
had state
militia and hired special deputies attack and
try to crush coal miners there. Conflict ranged for months until the
militia opened machine-fire on a tent city of mineworkers family and
then
soaked tents in oil and put them to the torch. Women and children
huddled
in pits to escape the falmes; in one, eleven children and two women
were
found burned to death at the hands of the militia.

Because more radical union leaders in the International Workers of the
World (IWW) opposed World War I, several hundred of their leaders were
arrested in 1917 solely for speaking out against the war. Eugene Debs,
leader of the Pullman strike in 1894 and now leader of the Socialist
Party, would spend the war years in jail (and poll a million votes for
President from his jail cell). Others were forced to flee the
country.

In 1922, 400,000 railway workers went on strike and faced tough
opposition. The federal government stepped in in September and issued
an
injunction that barred the following: not just picketing, but strike
meetings, statements to the public, use of union funds for any strike
activity, use of "letters, telegrams, telephones word of mouth" to
pursuade
anyone to strike. This helped set the stage for the general decline
of
unions in the 1920s where courts declared pro-worker legislation
unconstitutional and most strikes illegal.

Only with the New Deal did the government and business stop universal
oppression and violence against striking unions. Part of this was the
1932 Norris-LaGuardia Act that banned use of the federal injunction
against labor disputes (which would be repealed with the Taft-Hartley
Act
of 1947). It was in this period from 1932 to 1947, when the
government
stopped its coercive violence against unions that most unions had a
chance
to organize and gain their rights. With the reimposition of
government
injunctions with Taft-Hartley in 1947, new organizing became much
harder
where troops could be deployed to break a strike.

One of the most violent strikes of the 1930s was the "Little Steel"
strike
of 1937 (after US Steel recongized the union) where the company
organized
attacks on picket lines, tear gassing union headquarters, the arrests
of union
leaders, and finally a bloody clash in South Chicago. There, the
police
opened fire on a holiday picnic of steel strikers and their families
on
Memorial Day, killing ten strikers. And while the federal government
was
not attacking strikers now, the Governor of Ohio deployed police to
break
the strike.

It is worth noting the findings of the La Follette Civil Liberties
Committee which released a report on corporate activies from 1933 to
1937.
In the report, it was gound that 2500 companies had hired labor spies
to
spy in union meetings and even becoming union officials in order to
undermine the organizations. Almost $10 million ($76 million in 1993
dollars) had been spent by companies in this period for spies,
strike-breakers and munitions--GM alone had spent $830,000. In one
strike, the so-called Little Steel strike, Youngstown Sheet and Tube
Company had on hand eight machine guns, 369 rifles, 190 shotguns, 450
revolvers, and 109 gas guns. The Republic Steel Corporation had
purchased
$79,000 of tear and other gas weapons, making it a larger buyer of
such
weapons than law enforcement officials.

With World War II and the post-war period, labor conflict has
generally
been quieter, both because of the continued use of labor injunction
after
Taft-Hartley and a slightly saner collective bargaining relationship.
However, that relationship broke down in the 1980s with PATCO and a
new
anti-union drive by employers.

On the net, a couple of people cited street fights in Las Vegas as
evidence of representative union conflict. Aside from the fact that
using
Las Vegas as representative of anything is a bit laughable, let's put
any
street conflict in a bit of context (other than the general violence
of
the town).

In 1984, there was a citywide strike of the casinos. The city passed
an
ordinance making picketing illegal and proceeded to arrest and jail
3000
strikers. Security guards in one televised incident beat the hell out
of
striking workers at the Hilton, an image that helped win the strike
since
people didn't want to vacation in hotels where security guards felt
free
to beat up non-violent strikers.

Now, we have a strike at the Frontier Hotel that's been going on since
1989. If you point a camera on a street corner for four years, you
are
inevitably going to have a street scuffle at some point in time. If
such
actions were consistent day-after-day, you might have a case, but to
cite
one or two fights over four years of a strike and identify that as
typical
union actions is ridiculous.

The point of all these posts is simple: violence in our society in
union
struggles has come overwhelmingly from employers and the goverment.
Millwrightron
www.unionmillwright.com

Out-of-work individuals ultimately resort to violence, irrespective of union affiliation. The
whole, lengthy piece of millright Ron ends to bear this out.

Bob Swinney
"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
...

....YES, BY EMPLOYERS AND THE GOVERNMENT

A standard attack on unions is that the government needs to repress
unions because workers have a history of violence in strikes. The
historical record shows that the violence, and especially murder, has
come
overwhelmingly from the other direction, through government police,
labor
spies, security guards, and Pinkerton forces employed to break
strikes.

One of the first great strike waves of this country occured on the
railways in 1877; in that strike, US federal troops repeatedly opened
fire
of strikers battling with the monopolistic railways, killing twelve
people
in Baltimore, killing twenty-five in Pittsburg, and using troops
throughout the country to break the strike. Local police in Pittsburg
had
actually supported the strikers because public opinion so supported
the
strike, but President Hayes made sure federal troops were used to
defend
the railroad monopolies.

In July of 1892, Carnegie Steel declared war on the Amalgamated union
of
iron, steel and tin workers as they went on strike. A private
Pinkerton
army marched against the union's position armed with Winchester
rifles--seven
strikers died and three Pinkertons died from return fire. Under this
attack, the union was broken and teh steel industry would not be under
union contract again until 1937, forty-five years later.

In coming years, strike after strike would be broken at the hands of
state
militias: switchmen in Buffalo, coal miners in Tennessee.

In 1894, Eugene Debs and the American Railway Union led a strike after
the
arbitrary firings of Pullman Car workers; the strike escalated
nationwide.
Despite protests from the Governor of Illinois who noted there was no
coercion or violence by the strikers, President
Grover Cleveland, sent in four companies of the 15th Infantry to crush
the
strike. Injunctions were ordered and 200 strike leaders were arrested
and
th strike was broken. Eugene Debs would be imprisoned under the
Sherman
Anti-Trust Act and went to jail and his union was crushed.

In 1898, 1200 western miners on strike were imprisoned without charge
to
break a strike in Idaho.

To note the repression by the government in other ways, note that in
1902,
the United Hatters union announced a national boycott against a
hatter's
company in Connecticut. THe company sued the hatter's union under the
Sherman Act and the courts upheld damages against the union that led
to
union members having home foreclosures against their homes and the
bankrupting of union coffers. Other boycotts were matched by a
conviction
of two years prison for the head of the American Federation of Labor
(although he eventually had the conviction dropped).

Unions found that if they struck, the government would issue an
injunction
and jailed; if they called for a boycott, they'd be bankrupted by the
courts or threatened with imprisonment. At the same time, attempts by
unions to use legislation such as limits to the working day or
minimum-wage laws were voided by the courts (until 1937 and the New
Deal).
Unions found that whether through the ballot, through a strike, or
through
speech and boycotts--the employers and government would attack them.

In 1912, a massive strike in the wool mills of Lawrence, MA showed
where
employer violence overstepped its bounds and backfired. Despite the
deployment of the militia and the arrest of strike leaders, the
company
could not break the strike. In order to survive economically,
unionists
planned to send their children to supporters in other states. The
company
and its supporters declared that no children would be allowed to leave
the
city. When the strike committee undertook to take the children to the
railway station, the police and militia surrounded the station, the
police
closed in and began to beat mothers and children mericilessly.
Despite the
jailing of 296 strikers, public protest and continued resistance
forced the
company to raise wages although the union was never recognized.

Possibly the most bloody attack on unionists was Ludlow, Colorado in
1913 where J.D. Rockefeller and his Colorado Fuel and Iron Company
had state
militia and hired special deputies attack and
try to crush coal miners there. Conflict ranged for months until the
militia opened machine-fire on a tent city of mineworkers family and
then
soaked tents in oil and put them to the torch. Women and children
huddled
in pits to escape the falmes; in one, eleven children and two women
were
found burned to death at the hands of the militia.

Because more radical union leaders in the International Workers of the
World (IWW) opposed World War I, several hundred of their leaders were
arrested in 1917 solely for speaking out against the war. Eugene Debs,
leader of the Pullman strike in 1894 and now leader of the Socialist
Party, would spend the war years in jail (and poll a million votes for
President from his jail cell). Others were forced to flee the
country.

In 1922, 400,000 railway workers went on strike and faced tough
opposition. The federal government stepped in in September and issued
an
injunction that barred the following: not just picketing, but strike
meetings, statements to the public, use of union funds for any strike
activity, use of "letters, telegrams, telephones word of mouth" to
pursuade
anyone to strike. This helped set the stage for the general decline
of
unions in the 1920s where courts declared pro-worker legislation
unconstitutional and most strikes illegal.

Only with the New Deal did the government and business stop universal
oppression and violence against striking unions. Part of this was the
1932 Norris-LaGuardia Act that banned use of the federal injunction
against labor disputes (which would be repealed with the Taft-Hartley
Act
of 1947). It was in this period from 1932 to 1947, when the
government
stopped its coercive violence against unions that most unions had a
chance
to organize and gain their rights. With the reimposition of
government
injunctions with Taft-Hartley in 1947, new organizing became much
harder
where troops could be deployed to break a strike.

One of the most violent strikes of the 1930s was the "Little Steel"
strike
of 1937 (after US Steel recongized the union) where the company
organized
attacks on picket lines, tear gassing union headquarters, the arrests
of union
leaders, and finally a bloody clash in South Chicago. There, the
police
opened fire on a holiday picnic of steel strikers and their families
on
Memorial Day, killing ten strikers. And while the federal government
was
not attacking strikers now, the Governor of Ohio deployed police to
break
the strike.

It is worth noting the findings of the La Follette Civil Liberties
Committee which released a report on corporate activies from 1933 to
1937.
In the report, it was gound that 2500 companies had hired labor spies
to
spy in union meetings and even becoming union officials in order to
undermine the organizations. Almost $10 million ($76 million in 1993
dollars) had been spent by companies in this period for spies,
strike-breakers and munitions--GM alone had spent $830,000. In one
strike, the so-called Little Steel strike, Youngstown Sheet and Tube
Company had on hand eight machine guns, 369 rifles, 190 shotguns, 450
revolvers, and 109 gas guns. The Republic Steel Corporation had
purchased
$79,000 of tear and other gas weapons, making it a larger buyer of
such
weapons than law enforcement officials.

With World War II and the post-war period, labor conflict has
generally
been quieter, both because of the continued use of labor injunction
after
Taft-Hartley and a slightly saner collective bargaining relationship.
However, that relationship broke down in the 1980s with PATCO and a
new
anti-union drive by employers.

On the net, a couple of people cited street fights in Las Vegas as
evidence of representative union conflict. Aside from the fact that
using
Las Vegas as representative of anything is a bit laughable, let's put
any
street conflict in a bit of context (other than the general violence
of
the town).

In 1984, there was a citywide strike of the casinos. The city passed
an
ordinance making picketing illegal and proceeded to arrest and jail
3000
strikers. Security guards in one televised incident beat the hell out
of
striking workers at the Hilton, an image that helped win the strike
since
people didn't want to vacation in hotels where security guards felt
free
to beat up non-violent strikers.

Now, we have a strike at the Frontier Hotel that's been going on since
1989. If you point a camera on a street corner for four years, you
are
inevitably going to have a street scuffle at some point in time. If
such
actions were consistent day-after-day, you might have a case, but to
cite
one or two fights over four years of a strike and identify that as
typical
union actions is ridiculous.

The point of all these posts is simple: violence in our society in
union
struggles has come overwhelmingly from employers and the goverment.
Millwrightron
www.unionmillwright.com



** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Millwright Ron
wrote:



The point of all these posts is simple: violence in our society in
union
struggles has come overwhelmingly from employers and the goverment

based on no anecdotal data less than 20 years old and much of it
dating back several decades.

How about a diatribe on the terrible scourges of smallpox and polio?

On Aug 12, 1:51*am, Don Foreman wrote:
based on no anecdotal data less than 20 years old and much of it
dating back several decades. *

You left out Joe Hill and Mother Jones.

Millwright Ron wrote:

(out of date, off-topic drivel snipped)

Plonk.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
...

...


Ron, you forgot to mention the thing in Texas a number of years ago, where
a supervisor was shot and killed "in the furtherance of a union strike" and
the killers admitted the shooiting, and were not punished. The father of
three, not at all involved in the "strike", and by law, above the game,
callously murdered by strikers with no remorse. You DO remember that one,
don't you. It was the case that set the precedent for all that cases such
as:

MURDOCK
http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock060903.asp

And
UNITED STATES V. ENMONS, 410 U. S. 396 (1973)
http://supreme.justia.com/us/410/396/case.html#412

All of which pertty well knocks your diatribe of ancient history ignoring
the evils of the unionists into the can.

But keep on writing, diatribes such as this recent one of yours are
necessary so that thinking men do not fall into the habit of taking your
word for it. Reflection, that'sthe key.

Thanks,

Flash

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Millwright Ron
wrote:


The copper mines in Butte MT were unionized labor
for years,a very violent, millitant miners union.

Union demands finally led to the mines closing
which in turn broke the unions.

When the mine reopened is was employee owned
non union. No one misses the union, all the employees now
receive profit sharing, based on production. Recent
bonuses are often several times the annual take home
pay.

No one wants the union back. The unions protected the lazy,
incompentent workers, through threats of violence by
union thugs. MM

Oh, "Millwright Ron"

wrote in message news:d34e8637-16cc-4157-992a-


Kindly explain why the union and its political lickspittles want to do
away with the

SECRET BALLOT,

the bulwark of liberty and freedom in this world. You may enjoy freedom
of choice, I certainly do, but your freedom and mine are under attack.
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell081308.php3

That there may be some to whom this freedom is of no worth (in the vain
hope that they, themselves, will be among the most favored after the
coercive check-card organizing is over) remains unargued and unagrueable.
But why do you and others seek to deprive me, as well as vast millions of
others, of this boon to freemen everywhere?

Flash

"Robert Swinney" wrote:

Out-of-work individuals ultimately resort to violence, irrespective of union affiliation. The
whole, lengthy piece of millright Ron ends to bear this out.

When it gets down to me and my family or you and yours surviving, the veneer of society
gets really thin. It is not in the nature of the human to think, I'm out of work, I can't
find it, my neighbor has food and heat but it isn't mine so I'll lay down and die with my
family quietly.

Tip, stay away from desperate creatures, animal or human.

Wes

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:04:33 -0400, Wes wrote:

"Robert Swinney" wrote:

Out-of-work individuals ultimately resort to violence, irrespective of union affiliation. The
whole, lengthy piece of millright Ron ends to bear this out.

When it gets down to me and my family or you and yours surviving, the veneer of society
gets really thin. It is not in the nature of the human to think, I'm out of work, I can't
find it, my neighbor has food and heat but it isn't mine so I'll lay down and die with my
family quietly.

Tip, stay away from desperate creatures, animal or human.

Wes

The union issue isn't about not being able to find work to feed family
and keep the frost off the crib. It's about wanting to make employers
pay what hourly workers want regardless of value added and/or market
conditions.

On Aug 11, 10:51*pm, Don Foreman
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Millwright Ron

wrote:

The point of all these posts is simple: violence in our society in
union
struggles has come overwhelmingly from employers and the goverment

based on no anecdotal data less than 20 years old and much of it
dating back several decades. *

How about a diatribe on the terrible scourges *of smallpox and polio?

You missed this...................

Now, we have a strike at the Frontier Hotel that's been going on
since
1989. If you point a camera on a street corner for four years, you
are
inevitably going to have a street scuffle at some point in time. If
such
actions were consistent day-after-day, you might have a case, but to
cite
one or two fights over four years of a strike and identify that as
typical
union actions is ridiculous.


The point of all these posts is simple: violence in our society in
union
struggles has come overwhelmingly from employers and the goverment.
Millwrightron
www.unionmillwright.com