http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1620194

On Apr 8, 4:35*am, Ignoramus15795 ignoramus15...@NOSPAM.
15795.invalid wrote:
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1620194

Well......maybe if they threw in a pair of
cheap imported sneakers............?

dennis
in nca

No delivery. You have to "demil" (de militarize) them on the spot. 50
pounds EACH times 22,000 of them is 28 fully loaded semi trailers full.

SteveB wrote:
"rigger" wrote in message
...
On Apr 8, 4:35 am, Ignoramus15795 ignoramus15...@NOSPAM.
15795.invalid wrote:
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1620194

Well......maybe if they threw in a pair of
cheap imported sneakers............?

dennis
in nca

These aren't the same ones that we had the explosive video of recently, are
they?

Do they deliver?

Steve

On 2008-04-09, RoyJ wrote:
No delivery. You have to "demil" (de militarize) them on the spot. 50
pounds EACH times 22,000 of them is 28 fully loaded semi trailers full.

They weigh as much as a complete Big Boy steam engine.

i

SteveB wrote:
"rigger" wrote in message
...
On Apr 8, 4:35 am, Ignoramus15795 ignoramus15...@NOSPAM.
15795.invalid wrote:
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1620194

Well......maybe if they threw in a pair of
cheap imported sneakers............?

dennis
in nca

These aren't the same ones that we had the explosive video of recently, are
they?

Do they deliver?

Steve

"rigger" wrote in message
...
On Apr 8, 4:35 am, Ignoramus15795 ignoramus15...@NOSPAM.
15795.invalid wrote:
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1620194

Well......maybe if they threw in a pair of
cheap imported sneakers............?

dennis
in nca

These aren't the same ones that we had the explosive video of recently, are
they?

Do they deliver?

Steve

On 2008-04-09, SteveB wrote:

"Ignoramus15795" wrote in message
news
On 2008-04-09, RoyJ wrote:
No delivery. You have to "demil" (de militarize) them on the spot. 50
pounds EACH times 22,000 of them is 28 fully loaded semi trailers full.

They weigh as much as a complete Big Boy steam engine.


It's going to be interesting who does finally buy them, and what they do
with them. Anyone with this knowledge, please keep us posted.


They are supposed to be "demilled", which will render them militarily
useless. Basically they will be ruined mechanically (the procedure is
outlined in the auction). Then they will most likely be sold for
steel scrap and melted somewhere.

What I am wondering about, is why did the military scrap them.

i

Ignoramus15795 wrote:

On 2008-04-09, SteveB wrote:

"Ignoramus15795" wrote in message
news
On 2008-04-09, RoyJ wrote:
No delivery. You have to "demil" (de militarize) them on the spot. 50
pounds EACH times 22,000 of them is 28 fully loaded semi trailers full.

They weigh as much as a complete Big Boy steam engine.


It's going to be interesting who does finally buy them, and what they do
with them. Anyone with this knowledge, please keep us posted.


They are supposed to be "demilled", which will render them militarily
useless. Basically they will be ruined mechanically (the procedure is
outlined in the auction). Then they will most likely be sold for
steel scrap and melted somewhere.

What I am wondering about, is why did the military scrap them.


They probably failed xray testing before being reloaded.


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"Ignoramus15795" wrote in message
news
On 2008-04-09, RoyJ wrote:
No delivery. You have to "demil" (de militarize) them on the spot. 50
pounds EACH times 22,000 of them is 28 fully loaded semi trailers full.

They weigh as much as a complete Big Boy steam engine.

i

SteveB wrote:
"rigger" wrote in message
...
On Apr 8, 4:35 am, Ignoramus15795 ignoramus15...@NOSPAM.
15795.invalid wrote:
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1620194

Well......maybe if they threw in a pair of
cheap imported sneakers............?

dennis
in nca

These aren't the same ones that we had the explosive video of recently,
are
they?

Do they deliver?

Steve

It's going to be interesting who does finally buy them, and what they do
with them. Anyone with this knowledge, please keep us posted.

Steve

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:09:35 -0500, Ignoramus15795
wrote:

On 2008-04-09, SteveB wrote:

"Ignoramus15795" wrote in message
news
On 2008-04-09, RoyJ wrote:
No delivery. You have to "demil" (de militarize) them on the spot. 50
pounds EACH times 22,000 of them is 28 fully loaded semi trailers full.

They weigh as much as a complete Big Boy steam engine.


It's going to be interesting who does finally buy them, and what they do
with them. Anyone with this knowledge, please keep us posted.


They are supposed to be "demilled", which will render them militarily
useless. Basically they will be ruined mechanically (the procedure is
outlined in the auction). Then they will most likely be sold for
steel scrap and melted somewhere.

What I am wondering about, is why did the military scrap them.

i
And what happened to the explosive filler?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:48:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


They are supposed to be "demilled", which will render them militarily
useless. Basically they will be ruined mechanically (the procedure is
outlined in the auction). Then they will most likely be sold for
steel scrap and melted somewhere.

What I am wondering about, is why did the military scrap them.


They probably failed xray testing before being reloaded.

Damn....they are reusable?????

****merunning..technology is a Wonderful thing!


Gunner
G



"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

"Stormin Mormon" fired this volley
in :

Mighta been reinstalled in other shells. Or, who knows.....

Could have been dumped in a pile, and burned off.


A lot of those have TNT as the main bursting charge. TNT is readily re-
processed. It can be melted out with steam, and re-cast. There are a
number of outfits in the U.S. that will "de-mil" munitions.

I'd be more concerned with the fuze than the main charge. That's usually
a sensitive primary explosive, and not readily made inert ('cept by
'splodin' it).

LLoyd

Ignoramus15795 wrote:

What I am wondering about, is why did the military scrap them.

The military periodically test fires munitions that are in storage as a QA
step. You really don't want long shots or short shots from artillery. It
can ruin your day.

One example is the risk of colateral damage, another is if you are walking
fire with troops behind the barrage moving a head and the third would be
firing *close* to friendlies as in ahh ****, help us out, the enemy is
right on top of us.

Wes

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:25:28 -0500, Ignoramus15795
wrote:

On 2008-04-09, RoyJ wrote:
No delivery. You have to "demil" (de militarize) them on the spot. 50
pounds EACH times 22,000 of them is 28 fully loaded semi trailers full.

They weigh as much as a complete Big Boy steam engine.

i

1.1 million pounds, 22,000 pieces. 90 days to complete the jobs. How
many band saws would you need?

The mill spec sheet lists an oxy fuel torch as an acceptable method
but my experience is cutting a hollow cylinder with a torch sucks.

After the shells are cut "they" will move then to a new pile, then
load them into your trucks in lots of 40,000 lbs.

Thank You,
Randy

Remove 333 from email address to reply.

Assuming 8 hours per day, 5 days per week, you need to do 42 pieces per
hour. Lets say 5 minutes to do the 2 cuts would take 4 bandsaws, 4
operators, and at least 2 laborers hauling material around. 3240 man
hours to salvage 1.1 million pounds. 340 pounds of material per man
hour. I guess you could make some money on that deal. There is some
aluminum and some copper that would need to be separated. I'd be looking
real hard at figuring out how to separate the material as part of the
demil process.

Randy wrote:
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:25:28 -0500, Ignoramus15795
wrote:

On 2008-04-09, RoyJ wrote:
No delivery. You have to "demil" (de militarize) them on the spot. 50
pounds EACH times 22,000 of them is 28 fully loaded semi trailers full.
They weigh as much as a complete Big Boy steam engine.

i

1.1 million pounds, 22,000 pieces. 90 days to complete the jobs. How
many band saws would you need?

The mill spec sheet lists an oxy fuel torch as an acceptable method
but my experience is cutting a hollow cylinder with a torch sucks.

After the shells are cut "they" will move then to a new pile, then
load them into your trucks in lots of 40,000 lbs.

Thank You,
Randy

Remove 333 from email address to reply.

Ignoramus15795 wrote:
On 2008-04-09, SteveB wrote:

"Ignoramus15795" wrote in message
news
On 2008-04-09, RoyJ wrote:

No delivery. You have to "demil" (de militarize) them on the spot. 50
pounds EACH times 22,000 of them is 28 fully loaded semi trailers full.

They weigh as much as a complete Big Boy steam engine.


It's going to be interesting who does finally buy them, and what they do
with them. Anyone with this knowledge, please keep us posted.



They are supposed to be "demilled", which will render them militarily
useless. Basically they will be ruined mechanically (the procedure is
outlined in the auction). Then they will most likely be sold for
steel scrap and melted somewhere.

What I am wondering about, is why did the military scrap them.

i

Probably due to age. When things reach a certain age the military gets
rid of them, regardless of whether there is any life left in them or not.

Jim

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:48:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

They are supposed to be "demilled", which will render them militarily
useless. Basically they will be ruined mechanically (the procedure is
outlined in the auction). Then they will most likely be sold for
steel scrap and melted somewhere.

What I am wondering about, is why did the military scrap them.

They probably failed xray testing before being reloaded.

Damn....they are reusable?????

****merunning..technology is a Wonderful thing!

What? They didn't make you police up your
brass, err, steel in Nam and send it back?

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:31:03 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" ... [wrote]
[re Gunner's "And what happened to the explosive filler?"]
Mighta been reinstalled in other shells. Or, who knows.....

Could have been dumped in a pile, and burned off.

A lot of those have TNT as the main bursting charge. TNT is readily re-
processed. It can be melted out with steam, and re-cast. There are a
number of outfits in the U.S. that will "de-mil" munitions.

I'd be more concerned with the fuze than the main charge. That's
usually a sensitive primary explosive, and not readily made inert ('cept
by 'splodin' it).

The http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=1620194 projectiles
appear to be already defused.

If the ring of yellow diamonds on the nose cone is per table in
http://www.bravecannons.org/the_gun/munitions.html then these could
have been M449 ICM's, which "dropped sixty bomblets that bounced up
five feet in the air before going off."

Regarding some earlier comments about using bandsaws to demilitarize
these, I'd instead expect a 318-ton-force shear like the one at
http://www.enterpriseco.com/enterprise/shear400.html to be used
instead. For cutting the nose cone, a smaller shear like the little
ones at http://www.americanrecycler.com/nov03/spotlight.html probably
could be used.

According to auction, each shell has 45 pounds of steel, 2.75 pounds
of aluminum, and the other 2+ pounds is the copper band and fibreglas
so the scrap value of this stuff may be somewhere beyond $400000.
(30 tons aluminum, say $75000; 10-20 tons copper, $70000-140000;
steel, http://www.grede.com/customer_servic...teelPrices.jsp
says $600/ton is current scrap price, or about $250000 for 495 tons.)

-jiw

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner Asch
wrote on Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:29:43 -0700
in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:09:35 -0500, Ignoramus15795
wrote:

On 2008-04-09, SteveB wrote:

"Ignoramus15795" wrote in message
news On 2008-04-09, RoyJ wrote:
No delivery. You have to "demil" (de militarize) them on the spot. 50
pounds EACH times 22,000 of them is 28 fully loaded semi trailers full.

They weigh as much as a complete Big Boy steam engine.


It's going to be interesting who does finally buy them, and what they do
with them. Anyone with this knowledge, please keep us posted.


They are supposed to be "demilled", which will render them militarily
useless. Basically they will be ruined mechanically (the procedure is
outlined in the auction). Then they will most likely be sold for
steel scrap and melted somewhere.

What I am wondering about, is why did the military scrap them.

i
And what happened to the explosive filler?

I suspect that may be part of the "de-mil" operation.

I recall the Air Force deciding it had several tons of surplus
bombs, and put them up for bid. The winner was going to use the
explosive as a feed stock for fertilizer & plastics, and then scrap
the cases. The AF decided that was wrong ("some one will profit from
this") and instead blew up the bombs. So for a couple weeks, we'd
hear the 'crump' of HE, and be able to see a cloud of smoke rising
from the EOD area. OTOH - the sales part of the story may have been
rumor, and the reality was the EOD boys just wanted to make noise...

Gunner

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over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender
whether they served zombies he said, ‘Sure, what'll you have?'"
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On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:09:31 -0800, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:48:38 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

They are supposed to be "demilled", which will render them militarily
useless. Basically they will be ruined mechanically (the procedure is
outlined in the auction). Then they will most likely be sold for
steel scrap and melted somewhere.

What I am wondering about, is why did the military scrap them.

They probably failed xray testing before being reloaded.

Damn....they are reusable?????

****merunning..technology is a Wonderful thing!

What? They didn't make you police up your
brass, err, steel in Nam and send it back?


Nah..they took the one piece of driving band out of my skull, and
didnt return it.

Gunner