Simply shocking what some people do.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...bill/idots.jpg


Best Regards
Tom.

"azotic" wrote: Simply shocking what some people do.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm not shocked. If it bothered me that much, I would take it out the same
way they put it in--with Photoshop.

Leo Lichtman wrote:
"azotic" wrote: Simply shocking what some people do.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm not shocked. If it bothered me that much, I would take it out the same
way they put it in--with Photoshop.

That doesn't look edited to me, but it does look deliberately posed.

Chris

"Christopher Tidy" wrote: That doesn't look edited to me, but it does look
deliberately posed.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Have you watched the David Letterman bit called, "Will it Float?" What we
have depicted here is a pair of flip-flops (footwear), supporting a
four-outlet electical thing. I don't think the flip-flops would float by
themselves, much less support the additional weight they are shown carrying.
Then we have an electric cord coming straight up for about 6", but it
doesn't tip. I say it was probably photographed on the deck and "cloned"
in.

Leo Lichtman wrote:
"Christopher Tidy" wrote: That doesn't look edited to me, but it does look
deliberately posed.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Have you watched the David Letterman bit called, "Will it Float?" What we
have depicted here is a pair of flip-flops (footwear), supporting a
four-outlet electical thing. I don't think the flip-flops would float by
themselves, much less support the additional weight they are shown carrying.
Then we have an electric cord coming straight up for about 6", but it
doesn't tip. I say it was probably photographed on the deck and "cloned"
in.

Aren't those flip flops made from foamy stuff?

Chris

I don't see any way to tell if the power is "live" or not - doesn't look
like photoshop to me, but it is obviouisly a setup to make a point - why
else would all the folks be looking at the camera
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"azotic" wrote: Simply shocking what some people do.
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I'm not shocked. If it bothered me that much, I would take it out the
same way they put it in--with Photoshop.




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On 2008-01-19, William Noble wrote:
I don't see any way to tell if the power is "live" or not - doesn't look
like photoshop to me, but it is obviouisly a setup to make a point - why
else would all the folks be looking at the camera

Also no food on the grill. These guys look like Russians.

i
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"azotic" wrote: Simply shocking what some people do.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm not shocked. If it bothered me that much, I would take it out the
same way they put it in--with Photoshop.

azotic wrote:

Simply shocking what some people do.

That photo is a fake.
http://www.linuxno.de/_data/gallery/nwl7/_medium_DSCN7830.JPG
http://www.linuxno.de/_data/gallery/nwl7/DSCN7821.JPG


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On Jan 18, 4:57*pm, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:
"Christopher Tidy" wrote: That doesn't look edited to me, but it does look

deliberately posed.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Have you watched the David Letterman bit called, "Will it Float?" *What we
have depicted here is a pair of flip-flops (footwear), supporting a
four-outlet electical thing. *I don't think the flip-flops would float by
themselves, much less support the additional weight they are shown carrying.
Then we have an electric cord coming straight up for about 6", but it
doesn't tip. *I say it was probably photographed on the deck and "cloned"
in.

they float

William Noble wrote:
I don't see any way to tell if the power is "live" or not - doesn't look
like photoshop to me, but it is obviouisly a setup to make a point - why
else would all the folks be looking at the camera


Because someone said they were just about to turn on the power.

Looks like a German or Dutch electrical socket to me.

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"azotic" wrote: Simply shocking what some people do.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm not shocked. If it bothered me that much, I would take it out the
same way they put it in--with Photoshop.

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:27:36 -0800, jk wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:


That depends on how old the pool is, and what it is made for.
Many of the older pools are poured concrete, which would be excellent
ground connections when submerged.

Granted, but the pool in question is the one in the picture, a plastic
inflatable.

I know from personal experience that concrete is a good enough
conductor for electric shock.

jk


Crom yes. I found that out a couple years ago with a machine tool
mounted on rubber feet, on a rubber cable with no ground and a leak
from L3 to the case of the machine.

Laid down on the floor to check something on the bottom side, and
reached up and grabbed the machine to pull myself up. Hot day, nice
and sweaty (big back sweater).

The guy at the next machine saw me doing the Trout out of Water thingy
and knocked me loose. For which Im forever grateful.

It was at least 2 weeks before my testicles dropped back into
place....


Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

The level of current stupidity notwithstanding, nobody is *that* stupid.
JR
Dweller in the cellar

azotic wrote:
Simply shocking what some people do.

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azotic wrote:

Simply shocking what some people do.

That photo is a fake.
http://www.linuxno.de/_data/gallery/nwl7/_medium_DSCN7830.JPG
http://www.linuxno.de/_data/gallery/nwl7/DSCN7821.JPG


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Hi Nick

You are a thinking kind of guy. What is your thought about what would
happen if the cord *was* plugged in to a generator? (A generator with no
connection to ground.)
I thought that socket was for 200 volt cirtuits. If the socket did have
~200 volts between terminals, and they both contacted the water, is it
likely that the people would be in a high potetial area?
Does anyone know what happens if 220 VAC across terminals spaced 1 inch
apart is imersed in swimming pool water?

Jerry

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azotic wrote:

Simply shocking what some people do.

That photo is a fake.
http://www.linuxno.de/_data/gallery/nwl7/_medium_DSCN7830.JPG
http://www.linuxno.de/_data/gallery/nwl7/DSCN7821.JPG


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Hi Nick

You are a thinking kind of guy. What is your thought about what would
happen if the cord *was* plugged in to a generator? (A generator with no
connection to ground.)
I thought that socket was for 200 volt cirtuits. If the socket did have
~200 volts between terminals, and they both contacted the water, is it
likely that the people would be in a high potetial area?
Does anyone know what happens if 220 VAC across terminals spaced 1 inch
apart is imersed in swimming pool water?

Jerry

On straight line connecting the terminals the gradient is 220V/inc therefore
an ant 1/2" long midway between the terminals would feel like touching a110V
outlet with the hand while standing on the neutral wire.

To visualize the electrical field emanating from the socket, allow some
simplification and inaccuracies, still leaving the concept intact.
If you draw a circle 10 feet in diameter centered 5 feet from the outlet on
a line perpendicular to the 1" spacing, you can think as the 220V are evenly
spaced across the 31.4 feet of the circumference.
A man 6 feet tall floating tangent to such circle will be exposed to
6x220/31.4 or nearly 40V.
If the man was standing in the water on the same circle, at breast level,
arms down, looking toward the outlet,
the 2 feet or so across its thorax would feel about 13V.

For every roughly circular path you can draw around the outlet you can apply
the same concept, the voltage gradient will be 220/path-lenght.

In reality the lines of constant gradient are not circles even under ideal
conditions. I a real pool depend from the water composition and
distribution, the location and conductivity of the wall and the structures
immersed, swimmers included and their geometry.

For example if the wall were made of copper, then the voltage between any
two points would be minuscule.

Mauro

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azotic wrote:

Simply shocking what some people do.

That photo is a fake.
http://www.linuxno.de/_data/gallery/nwl7/_medium_DSCN7830.JPG
http://www.linuxno.de/_data/gallery/nwl7/DSCN7821.JPG


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Hi Nick

You are a thinking kind of guy. What is your thought about what would
happen if the cord *was* plugged in to a generator? (A generator with
no connection to ground.)
I thought that socket was for 200 volt cirtuits. If the socket did
have ~200 volts between terminals, and they both contacted the water, is
it likely that the people would be in a high potetial area?
Does anyone know what happens if 220 VAC across terminals spaced 1 inch
apart is imersed in swimming pool water?

Jerry

On straight line connecting the terminals the gradient is 220V/inc
therefore an ant 1/2" long midway between the terminals would feel like
touching a110V outlet with the hand while standing on the neutral wire.

To visualize the electrical field emanating from the socket, allow some
simplification and inaccuracies, still leaving the concept intact.
If you draw a circle 10 feet in diameter centered 5 feet from the outlet
on a line perpendicular to the 1" spacing, you can think as the 220V are
evenly spaced across the 31.4 feet of the circumference.
A man 6 feet tall floating tangent to such circle will be exposed to
6x220/31.4 or nearly 40V.
If the man was standing in the water on the same circle, at breast level,
arms down, looking toward the outlet,
the 2 feet or so across its thorax would feel about 13V.

For every roughly circular path you can draw around the outlet you can
apply the same concept, the voltage gradient will be 220/path-lenght.

In reality the lines of constant gradient are not circles even under ideal
conditions. I a real pool depend from the water composition and
distribution, the location and conductivity of the wall and the structures
immersed, swimmers included and their geometry.

For example if the wall were made of copper, then the voltage between any
two points would be minuscule.

Mauro

Hi Mauro

As I read your post above, it appears that there is little danger to the
guys shown in the picture. Did I read it right??

Jerry

"David Billington" wrote in message
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William Noble wrote:
I don't see any way to tell if the power is "live" or not - doesn't look
like photoshop to me, but it is obviouisly a setup to make a point - why
else would all the folks be looking at the camera


Because someone said they were just about to turn on the power.

Looks like a German or Dutch electrical socket to me.


It does look very much like a Shuko power strip (German standard, 220 volt)
used in a number of countries around the world.

Jerry

"JR North" wrote in message
.. .
The level of current stupidity notwithstanding, nobody is *that* stupid.
JR
Dweller in the cellar


Wanna bet??????

OTOH, pool water isn't all that conductive. Water in general isn't very
conductive unless it has something like salt in it (consider all the
Christmas lighting set-ups out in the rain...). And, of course, to get a
jolt, one has to make themselves part of the circuit, i.e., connect
themselves between power and ground. Just being in an energized pool
wouldn't do it (consider the little bird perched on the power line...).

So, they'd probably get away with it...

Jerry

Jerry Foster wrote:

It does look very much like a Shuko power strip (German standard, 220
volt) used in a number of countries around the world.

You just have to look at the URL, to conclude they are Germans. And yes,
this are "Schuko" ("Schutzkontakt" = protective earth contact) plugs and
no, we do have 230V. :-)


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azotic wrote:

Simply shocking what some people do.

That photo is a fake.
http://www.linuxno.de/_data/gallery/nwl7/_medium_DSCN7830.JPG
http://www.linuxno.de/_data/gallery/nwl7/DSCN7821.JPG


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Hi Nick

You are a thinking kind of guy. What is your thought about what would
happen if the cord *was* plugged in to a generator? (A generator with
no connection to ground.)
I thought that socket was for 200 volt cirtuits. If the socket did
have ~200 volts between terminals, and they both contacted the water, is
it likely that the people would be in a high potetial area?
Does anyone know what happens if 220 VAC across terminals spaced 1 inch
apart is imersed in swimming pool water?

Jerry

On straight line connecting the terminals the gradient is 220V/inc
therefore an ant 1/2" long midway between the terminals would feel like
touching a110V outlet with the hand while standing on the neutral wire.

To visualize the electrical field emanating from the socket, allow some
simplification and inaccuracies, still leaving the concept intact.
If you draw a circle 10 feet in diameter centered 5 feet from the outlet
on a line perpendicular to the 1" spacing, you can think as the 220V are
evenly spaced across the 31.4 feet of the circumference.
A man 6 feet tall floating tangent to such circle will be exposed to
6x220/31.4 or nearly 40V.
If the man was standing in the water on the same circle, at breast level,
arms down, looking toward the outlet,
the 2 feet or so across its thorax would feel about 13V.

For every roughly circular path you can draw around the outlet you can
apply the same concept, the voltage gradient will be 220/path-lenght.

In reality the lines of constant gradient are not circles even under
ideal conditions. I a real pool depend from the water composition and
distribution, the location and conductivity of the wall and the
structures immersed, swimmers included and their geometry.

For example if the wall were made of copper, then the voltage between any
two points would be minuscule.

Mauro

Hi Mauro

As I read your post above, it appears that there is little danger to the
guys shown in the picture. Did I read it right??

Jerry


First the assumption of a "floating" generator you expressed is not
guaranteed in the pictures, the source may be grounded on one side, in that
case things get complicated, the man can be touching the bottom (grounded)
and be close to the Hot side and get 220V.

Second what I wrote is based MY understanding basic physic principles,
before anybody risk THEIRS lives to verify this they should make their own
research.

The common wisdom of not mixing water and electricity is fundamentally
sound.
Large, wet skin surfaces loaded with body weight are better contact (lower
resistance) than a dry fingertip gently brushing a small electrified screw
head, for example.

Ultimately, is not necessarily the voltage that is dangerous, is the current
across the body muscles, particularly the hearth.
Some of the voltage available from the generator is "lost" to push the
current across all the connections and what is left is actually across the
body.

The official safe voltage is around 40V, I do not remember the details, the
lowest body resistance is 2000 ohms and a current of 10 mA through the
hearth is often lethal.

The fact that 40V across 2000 ohms produces 20mA and the voltage is still
considered safe may be rationalized by considering that not all the current
is going to flow through sensitive organs.

Mauro

"MG" wrote:

For example if the wall were made of copper, then the voltage between any
two points would be minuscule.


I don't think that is correct, or even close for any points except
those immediately adjacent to the wall.

for points immediately adjacent to the outlet contacts, it is clearly
200 or 220 or whatever it is being fed with.
More important any way would be the current flow, which will depend on
the resistance of all portions of all current paths.
jk

"MG" wrote:

First the assumption of a "floating" generator you expressed is not
guaranteed in the pictures, the source may be grounded on one side, in that
case things get complicated, the man can be touching the bottom (grounded)
and be close to the Hot side and get 220V.


That ignores the issue that the pool bottom itself is not grounded. In
fact the entire pool is insulated by the polyethylene (or vinyl or
whatever it is made of) from ground.

Now the instant the first idiot steps out and has a foot both in the
pool and on the ground..... Well BEST case is, he ends up feeling
like god it self, kicked him in the nuts.


Second what I wrote is based MY understanding basic physic principles,
before anybody risk THEIRS lives to verify this they should make their own
research.
Amen to that!
jk

For example if the wall were made of copper, then the voltage between any
two points ON THE WALL would be minuscule.

I thought it was implied.

MG


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"MG" wrote:

For example if the wall were made of copper, then the voltage between any
two points would be minuscule.


I don't think that is correct, or even close for any points except
those immediately adjacent to the wall.

for points immediately adjacent to the outlet contacts, it is clearly
200 or 220 or whatever it is being fed with.
More important any way would be the current flow, which will depend on
the resistance of all portions of all current paths.
jk

On 2008-01-20, Nick Mueller wrote:
Jerry Foster wrote:

It does look very much like a Shuko power strip (German standard, 220
volt) used in a number of countries around the world.

You just have to look at the URL, to conclude they are Germans. And yes,
this are "Schuko" ("Schutzkontakt" = protective earth contact) plugs and
no, we do have 230V. :-)

And it looks to me as though the power cord has been replaced
with tubing through which water is being pumped into the strip to flow
out of everywhere -- so it is not likely to be powered.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 2008-01-20, Jerry Foster wrote:

"JR North" wrote in message
.. .
The level of current stupidity notwithstanding, nobody is *that* stupid.

[ ... ]

Wanna bet??????

OTOH, pool water isn't all that conductive. Water in general isn't very
conductive unless it has something like salt in it (consider all the
Christmas lighting set-ups out in the rain...).

But most swimming pools have the water chlorinated, which
increases the conductivity.

But -- the earlier estimates of distribution of voltages in the
pool assumes (among other things) a constant impedance of the water or
anything else in it. Typically, the human body has a much lower
resistance than the typical pool water, so the distribution would be
more voltage across the water than across the human bodies, so instead
of say 16V, it might be more like 3V for a standing person.

And, of course, to get a
jolt, one has to make themselves part of the circuit, i.e., connect
themselves between power and ground. Just being in an energized pool
wouldn't do it (consider the little bird perched on the power line...).

The little bird is perched on one side of the line. The air
between the bird and the other side of the line is very high impedance,
so there is no real problem for the bird there. In contrast, (assuming
that the power strip is *really* connected to power) both sides of the
line are in a somewhat conductive medium (the chlorinated pool water), so
if you are in the wrong place you can get a lot more current than you
want -- especially from a 230V line. Also -- with European power
systems, that would be 230V on one side, and 0V (ground) on the other
side, and the water is probably well grounded through the plumbing which
recirculates it through the filters -- so get yourself between the hot
side and most of the pool and you are at significant risk.

So, they'd probably get away with it...

No bets on that. But with the water pouring out of all of the
connector holes, I consider it more likely that the power cord has been
replaced with a hose of the same diameter and color, and water is being
pumped through it instead of electrons. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 2008-01-20, jk wrote:
"MG" wrote:

First the assumption of a "floating" generator you expressed is not
guaranteed in the pictures, the source may be grounded on one side, in that
case things get complicated, the man can be touching the bottom (grounded)
and be close to the Hot side and get 220V.


That ignores the issue that the pool bottom itself is not grounded. In
fact the entire pool is insulated by the polyethylene (or vinyl or
whatever it is made of) from ground.

That depends on how old the pool is, and what it is made for.
Many of the older pools are poured concrete, which would be excellent
ground connections when submerged.

Now the instant the first idiot steps out and has a foot both in the
pool and on the ground..... Well BEST case is, he ends up feeling
like god it self, kicked him in the nuts.

With what odds that the kick in the muscles will toss him back
into the pool?

And consider the common aluminum ladders used for exiting home
pools, which might be grounded outside the pool.

Second what I wrote is based MY understanding basic physic principles,
before anybody risk THEIRS lives to verify this they should make their own
research.
Amen to that!

I know that I would not risk *my* body in such an experiment.
The odds are either electrocution or drowning after being rendered
unconscious by the shock.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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"DoN. Nichols" wrote: (clip)the water is probably well grounded through the
plumbing which
recirculates it through the filters -- so get yourself between the hot
side and most of the pool and you are at significant risk.(clip) But with
the water pouring out of all of the
connector holes, I consider it more likely that the power cord has been
replaced with a hose of the same diameter and color, and water is being
pumped through it instead of electrons. :-)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So you are really at risk of being watercuted, and the discussion about the
risk is only academic, but let's pursue it anyway. The outlet strip, if it
were really connected, would have a hot and a common. Water would carry
current between the two, mostly INSIDE the power strip. If it didn't blow
the breaker, the water inside the strip would heat up, and maybe start to
boil. This would be the main path for the current. If you imagine what the
potential field around that floating outlet strip would look like, it is
easy to see the voltage gradients a short distance away would be very low.
I doubt you would even feel a tingle if you were a few feet away.

I'm not busy right now. If someone will pay my round trip airfare, I will
volunteer to walk around in the pool with the power on. :-).

On 2008-01-21, Leo Lichtman wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote: (clip)the water is probably well grounded through the
plumbing which
recirculates it through the filters -- so get yourself between the hot
side and most of the pool and you are at significant risk.(clip) But with
the water pouring out of all of the
connector holes, I consider it more likely that the power cord has been
replaced with a hose of the same diameter and color, and water is being
pumped through it instead of electrons. :-)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So you are really at risk of being watercuted, and the discussion about the
risk is only academic,

Agreed -- except if someone decides to try it based on the
images.

but let's pursue it anyway. The outlet strip, if it
were really connected, would have a hot and a common. Water would carry
current between the two, mostly INSIDE the power strip. If it didn't blow
the breaker, the water inside the strip would heat up, and maybe start to
boil. This would be the main path for the current. If you imagine what the
potential field around that floating outlet strip would look like, it is
easy to see the voltage gradients a short distance away would be very low.
I doubt you would even feel a tingle if you were a few feet away.

This is assuming that the return and ground wires are intact.
If only the hot wire is intact, then there would be a gradient between
the hot side of the connectors on the outlet strip and the point at
which the water was pumped out of or into the pool for filtration. And
if the pool were a poured concrete one instead of a plastic lined one
with relatively soft fill around it, then *any* path between the hot
pins and the container of the pool would have similar gradients.

I'm not busy right now. If someone will pay my round trip airfare, I will
volunteer to walk around in the pool with the power on. :-).

I would not (and I don't suggest that you do so either)-- I just
don't trust the outlet strip, the extension cord into which it is
plugged, and perhaps even the wiring at the breaker box. They *may* all
be good -- but I am not betting my life on it.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Leo wrote: I'm not busy right now. If someone will pay my round trip
airfare, I will
volunteer to walk around in the pool with the power on. :-).

Don N wrote: I would not (and I don't suggest that you do so either
(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Leo responds: Well, this is how I would proceed, in the unlikely event
someone takes me up on my offer. First I would observe the behavior of the
water in and around the outlet strip. I would want to see steam, to verify
that the current is flowing INSIDE the outlet strip. Then I would go to the
far end of the pool and stick a toe in. Then a foot. Then a leg. I would
walk slowly in the water toward the outlet strip, paying attention to any
evidence (tingling) of voltage. My bet is that I would arrive at short
distance from the "hazard" without any trouble. Of course, I would expect
you to be standing by, ready to unplug, just in case.

"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message
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Leo wrote: I'm not busy right now. If someone will pay my round trip
airfare, I will
volunteer to walk around in the pool with the power on. :-).

Don N wrote: I would not (and I don't suggest that you do so either
(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Leo responds: Well, this is how I would proceed, in the unlikely event
someone takes me up on my offer. First I would observe the behavior of
the water in and around the outlet strip. I would want to see steam, to
verify that the current is flowing INSIDE the outlet strip. Then I would
go to the far end of the pool and stick a toe in. Then a foot. Then a
leg. I would walk slowly in the water toward the outlet strip, paying
attention to any evidence (tingling) of voltage. My bet is that I would
arrive at short distance from the "hazard" without any trouble. Of
course, I would expect you to be standing by, ready to unplug, just in
case.


Hi Leo

You probably niticed that there are a couple ground terminals included in
those 200 volt sockets. I suspect you are just trying to get a free ride
to somewhere warm enough to have an outdoor swimming pool.

Jerry

"Jerry" (clip) I suspect you are just trying to get a free ride
to somewhere warm enough to have an outdoor swimming pool.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jerry, you're too clever for me. Anyone willing to help me get $15 million
into the US for a goodly share?

Oddly enough, I have a pair of flip flops almost identical to those
and they do indeed float very well, riding quite high in the water.

I think it's a real shot but with the power off.

Where is the power strip plugged in? Look closely...it isn't.




On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 02:57:50 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:


"Christopher Tidy" wrote: That doesn't look edited to me, but it does look
deliberately posed.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Have you watched the David Letterman bit called, "Will it Float?" What we
have depicted here is a pair of flip-flops (footwear), supporting a
four-outlet electical thing. I don't think the flip-flops would float by
themselves, much less support the additional weight they are shown carrying.
Then we have an electric cord coming straight up for about 6", but it
doesn't tip. I say it was probably photographed on the deck and "cloned"
in.

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:


That depends on how old the pool is, and what it is made for.
Many of the older pools are poured concrete, which would be excellent
ground connections when submerged.

Granted, but the pool in question is the one in the picture, a plastic
inflatable.

I know from personal experience that concrete is a good enough
conductor for electric shock.

jk

jk wrote:
"DoN. Nichols" wrote:



That depends on how old the pool is, and what it is made for.
Many of the older pools are poured concrete, which would be excellent
ground connections when submerged.


Granted, but the pool in question is the one in the picture, a plastic
inflatable.

I know from personal experience that concrete is a good enough
conductor for electric shock.

As is asphalt or 'blacktop'.
DAMHIKT.

--Winston

On Jan 18, 7:02 pm, "azotic" wrote:
Simply shocking what some people do.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...bill/idots.jpg

Best Regards
Tom.

Another related story about the wrong way to use electricity....

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Sex/sto...4190645&page=1

Deadly Sex
Man Clipped Electric Cord to Wife and Plugged It In During Sex
January 25, 2008 --


A woman died during a night of "bizarre sex" in which her husband used
an electrical cord to stimulate her, but ended up shocking her, police
said.

Kirsten Taylor, 29, was found unconscious Wednesday night at the
couple's Lower Windsor Township home. She was taken to York Hospital,
where she was pronounced dead.

Toby Taylor first said his wife was shocked by a hair dryer, according
to a police affidavit. But when burns were found on her body, police
said Taylor told them he had clipped an electrical cord to his wife
and plugged it into a power strip, which he then turned on and off.

He told authorities the couple had used the technique before.

Taylor, 37, was jailed Thursday in lieu of $100,000 bail on
involuntary manslaughter and reckless endangerment charges. He did not
have a lawyer at his arraignment and no lawyer had been entered in his
court file as of Friday.

York County Coroner Barry Bloss called it a case of "bizarre sex."

"I have never seen anything like this," Bloss said. "Even if you did
it before, you have to know you could kill someone."

The township police chief, David Sterner, said the jolt of electricity
is believed to have triggered a heart attack in the woman.

An initial autopsy did not determine the cause of death, Bloss said. A
final determination awaits further testing of the electrical equipment
and a toxicology test, he said.