I've got a microscopic amount of experience with MIG, and zero with
fluxcore, so bear with me he

What happens if you weld fluxcore, and don't have the gas nozzle on
the welder?

I'll be repairing a bracket on my truck soon, and it'll be hard to get
at. In my tiny MIG experience, the single hardest problem I had was
clearly seeing the spark and the puddle; working under my truck's
dashboard I'll need all the help I can get.

I've never done fluxcore at all; every picture I've seen of fluxcore
in use -- including rigs that can't be converted to gas -- has shown a
gas nozzle just like for MIG around the contact tip. It isn't clear
to me why this should be necessary -- since the shielding comes from
the flux, it seems like it ought to work just fine to take the nozzle
off, and get a better view of the work. This is with a cold torch,
obviously.

So... commnts?

In article ,
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

clearly seeing the spark and the puddle; working under my truck's
dashboard I'll need all the help I can get.
....
So... commnts?

Under truck dashboard, I'd be reaching for the _good_ epoxy (and/or some
sheet metal screws and some extra sheet metal), not the welder. Between
frying engine computer (if not a very old truck) and access and fire
hazards...

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

Ecnerwal writes:

Under truck dashboard, I'd be reaching for the _good_ epoxy (and/or some
sheet metal screws and some extra sheet metal), not the welder. Between
frying engine computer (if not a very old truck) and access and fire
hazards...

Good thoughts... but I am convinced that the welder is the right
answer. It's really more behind the dash, up under the cowl, and it's
a bracket that bears quite a bit of force (Toyota used an unbelievably
stupid -- unless you've come across other instances of their
"engineering" -- bracket design for the clutch and brake pedals).
I've got a jury-rig involving a 7/16" threaded rod through the cowl
that is probably stronger than their design, but mating that with the
original mount would be better than either.

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

Ecnerwal writes:

Under truck dashboard, I'd be reaching for the _good_ epoxy (and/or some
sheet metal screws and some extra sheet metal), not the welder. Between
frying engine computer (if not a very old truck) and access and fire
hazards...


Good thoughts... but I am convinced that the welder is the right
answer. It's really more behind the dash, up under the cowl, and it's
a bracket that bears quite a bit of force (Toyota used an unbelievably
stupid -- unless you've come across other instances of their
"engineering" -- bracket design for the clutch and brake pedals).
I've got a jury-rig involving a 7/16" threaded rod through the cowl
that is probably stronger than their design, but mating that with the
original mount would be better than either.

It is very common to run fluxcore with no nozzle whatever.

GWE

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:21:28 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
wrote:

I've got a microscopic amount of experience with MIG, and zero with
fluxcore, so bear with me he

What happens if you weld fluxcore, and don't have the gas nozzle on
the welder?

I'll be repairing a bracket on my truck soon, and it'll be hard to get
at. In my tiny MIG experience, the single hardest problem I had was
clearly seeing the spark and the puddle; working under my truck's
dashboard I'll need all the help I can get.

I've never done fluxcore at all; every picture I've seen of fluxcore
in use -- including rigs that can't be converted to gas -- has shown a
gas nozzle just like for MIG around the contact tip. It isn't clear
to me why this should be necessary -- since the shielding comes from
the flux, it seems like it ought to work just fine to take the nozzle
off, and get a better view of the work. This is with a cold torch,
obviously.

So... commnts?

Works just fine without the gas nozzle. Splatters up the threads
something fierce though.

Gunner

Gunner writes:

Works just fine without the gas nozzle. Splatters up the threads
something fierce though.

Thanks to you and Grant. Exactly what I wanted to know (umm, threads?
the nozzles I've seen have been pushed on over o-rings?)

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:26:26 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
wrote:

Gunner writes:

Works just fine without the gas nozzle. Splatters up the threads
something fierce though.

Thanks to you and Grant. Exactly what I wanted to know (umm, threads?
the nozzles I've seen have been pushed on over o-rings?)

Whatever. Fluxcore needs no nozzle but (as Gunner sez) it'll splatter
up whatever might otherwise have been protected by a gas nozzle.

It doesn't take much protection to avoid that. Shrink tube will work
for a little while, has for me. Duct tape might also work, haven't
tried that because shrink tube worked for me.

Mind the sparks and glowing slag drops from fluxcore when working
under-dash. Exciting experience is quite likely if you don't.

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

It isn't clear to me why this should be necessary

Not necessary for the shielding gas (as there is none coming out of it), but
helps in avoiding short circuits.

Nick

In article ,
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

I've got a microscopic amount of experience with MIG, and zero with
fluxcore, so bear with me he

What happens if you weld fluxcore, and don't have the gas nozzle on
the welder?


Lincoln supplies a screw-on cover for the MIG gun tip for flux-core
work. It protects the threads on the gas diffuser.

It's Part Number M16418-R, IIRC, for the Weld-Pak 155.

Perhaps the other manufacturers have similar parts?


I'll be repairing a bracket on my truck soon, and it'll be hard to get
at. In my tiny MIG experience, the single hardest problem I had was
clearly seeing the spark and the puddle; working under my truck's
dashboard I'll need all the help I can get.

I've never done fluxcore at all; every picture I've seen of fluxcore
in use -- including rigs that can't be converted to gas -- has shown a
gas nozzle just like for MIG around the contact tip. It isn't clear
to me why this should be necessary -- since the shielding comes from
the flux, it seems like it ought to work just fine to take the nozzle
off, and get a better view of the work. This is with a cold torch,
obviously.

So... commnts?

John Husvar writes:

Lincoln supplies a screw-on cover for the MIG gun tip for flux-core
work. It protects the threads on the gas diffuser.

It's Part Number M16418-R, IIRC, for the Weld-Pak 155.

Thanks!

"Joe Pfeiffer" wrote: (clip) What happens if you weld fluxcore, and don't
have the gas nozzle on the welder? (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The copper wireguide protrudes through the nozzle, so removing the nozzle
should have no effect, except:

You will be working in crowded conditions, where, as you say, it may be
difficult to see. Be extra careful not to let the copper end touch
anything. I can't remember for sure, but I think I've done this.

BTW, since you say you're not used to using fluxcore--be sure to reverse the
polarity on your torch.

"Leo Lichtman" writes:

"Joe Pfeiffer" wrote: (clip) What happens if you weld fluxcore, and don't
have the gas nozzle on the welder? (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The copper wireguide protrudes through the nozzle, so removing the nozzle
should have no effect, except:

You will be working in crowded conditions, where, as you say, it may be
difficult to see. Be extra careful not to let the copper end touch
anything. I can't remember for sure, but I think I've done this.

BTW, since you say you're not used to using fluxcore--be sure to reverse the
polarity on your torch.

Thanks for the reminder

Not a whole lot of experience welding but LOTS of experience putting out
fires in vehicles, some from welding. Have your fire extinguisher handy,
an easy way to get
the heck out, and a phone nearby outside, so you can call me if things go
south! Oh yeah, not in the garage, please...
--

Strube
Professional Firefighter, amateur everything else I try to do...
This is Charles Struble and I approve this email

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:34:11 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

"Leo Lichtman" writes:



BTW, since you say you're not used to using fluxcore--be sure to reverse the
polarity on your torch.

Thanks for the reminder


While we are in reminder mode... It may be worth wasting some thin sheet and
half a pound of wire on practice. The Fluxcore wire behaves quite a bit
differently from conventional wire and may take you by surprise if you assume
that the settings you know will work for it.

regards
Mark Rand
RTFM

Charles Struble wrote:

Not a whole lot of experience welding but LOTS of experience putting out
fires in vehicles, some from welding. Â*Have your fire extinguisher handy,
an easy way to get
the heck out

Not just that, get a second person watching! BTDT. No severe damage. G
Since then, we strictly practiced that procedure, despite being young and
stupid.


Nick

Nick Mueller writes:

Charles Struble wrote:

Not a whole lot of experience welding but LOTS of experience putting out
fires in vehicles, some from welding. *Have your fire extinguisher handy,
an easy way to get
the heck out

Not just that, get a second person watching! BTDT. No severe damage. G
Since then, we strictly practiced that procedure, despite being young and
stupid.

Lots of good reminders here, for which I thank you. The rig belongs
to a neighbor, who will want to watch the show in any case!

Mark Rand writes:

While we are in reminder mode... It may be worth wasting some thin sheet and
half a pound of wire on practice. The Fluxcore wire behaves quite a bit
differently from conventional wire and may take you by surprise if you assume
that the settings you know will work for it.

*Definitely* going to be following that one.

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

The rig belongs
to a neighbor, who will want to watch the show in any case!

But not watch you welding, but looking in places where you can't see what's
going on! *That's* his task and he clearly has to be aware of it. Remind
him that it is *his* car going up in smoke.

Just a reminder. You know that, he doesn't.


Nick

The gas lens doesn't work like a Mig or Tig setup. It does, however,
help contain the shielding gas around the puddle, which helps weld
quality somewhat, and protects the copper nose of the torch from
shorting to the work.
JR
Dweller in the cellar

Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

I've got a microscopic amount of experience with MIG, and zero with
fluxcore, so bear with me he

What happens if you weld fluxcore, and don't have the gas nozzle on
the welder?

I'll be repairing a bracket on my truck soon, and it'll be hard to get
at. In my tiny MIG experience, the single hardest problem I had was
clearly seeing the spark and the puddle; working under my truck's
dashboard I'll need all the help I can get.

I've never done fluxcore at all; every picture I've seen of fluxcore
in use -- including rigs that can't be converted to gas -- has shown a
gas nozzle just like for MIG around the contact tip. It isn't clear
to me why this should be necessary -- since the shielding comes from
the flux, it seems like it ought to work just fine to take the nozzle
off, and get a better view of the work. This is with a cold torch,
obviously.

So... commnts?


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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:31:41 +0200, Nick Mueller
wrote:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

The rig belongs
to a neighbor, who will want to watch the show in any case!

But not watch you welding, but looking in places where you can't see what's
going on! *That's* his task and he clearly has to be aware of it. Remind
him that it is *his* car going up in smoke.

Just a reminder. You know that, he doesn't.

Drape everything you can in damp cotton duck dropcloths or wool
blankets. And wrap all the cables in the immediate area under the
dashboard, too. You want to use wool or fiberglass "Welders
Protective Pads/Blankets" held in place with spring clips over
anything that can get damaged.

Give your 'Safety Man' a garden hose with a trigger nozzle or a full
garden sprayer with clean water in it, and the nozzle set for heavy
cone spray. And a charged dry-chem or CO2 fire extinguisher or two
close at hand if it turns out the water isn't enough.

The water sprayer will be used to lightly dampen all the exposed
surfaces each time right before you start to weld, and put out the
fire in the carpet (and your coveralls) from flying red-hot slag
dingleberries - without all the cleanup issues blowing off a Dry
Chemical extinguisher inside the car would cause.

(Not to mention the "Unplanned Change of Underwear" after he blasts
you in the face with Ammonium Phosphate powder.)

Long time ago I had a shop putting a new collector and muffler on my
Corvair, and when he picked up the Hot Wrench that little voice of
reason in my head said to get the garden hose and stand by as Safety
Man. And I have learned that when that little voice speaks, it's
usually right.

The shop owner openly criticized my doing this - Famous Last Words:
"What could go wrong?" with the "You're just a kid, what do you know?"
addendum for good measure. Then he flipped his hood down and got to
work cutting out the old collector.

Not thirty seconds later he lit off the firewall insulation with the
backwash from the torch, and I was right there with the hose...

After that, he wasn't laughing any more.

When they ask "What could go wrong?", tell them the Top Ten Things
that could go wrong. It either shuts them up right quick, or it
clarifies you're working with someone who is too careless to be
entrusted with your safety and/or property.

-- Bruce --

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:54:41 -0500, "Charles Struble"
wrote:

Not a whole lot of experience welding but LOTS of experience putting out
fires in vehicles, some from welding. Have your fire extinguisher handy,
an easy way to get
the heck out, and a phone nearby outside, so you can call me if things go
south! Oh yeah, not in the garage, please...


I was stick welding yesterday under the hood of my new old van..Moby
Dick.

thermostat housing bolts sheared off at the heads. Used 3/32" Blue
Max 708S stainless rod to weld nuts on the stubs. Id sprayed plenty
of P'Blaster on the bolts the day before..some of which soaked into
the bits of waterpump gasket that were standing proud. Got a bit busy
there for a couple minutes when I took off the hood and found a nice
big waterpump gasket wick burning all around the waterpump. And
licking at the wiring harnesses....

Didnt hurt anything, just got the old ticker going pretty good for a
few minutes.

Bolts sucessfuly removed btw. No big deal

Gunner

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

Give your 'Safety Man' a garden hose with a trigger nozzle or a full
garden sprayer with clean water in it, and the nozzle set for heavy
cone spray.

But don't try to extinguish a gas fire with water. Stupid idea!

Nick

....
I was stick welding yesterday under the hood of my new old van..Moby
Dick.

Hey Gunner,

Have I been sleeping under a rock? What vehicle did you finally settle on?
Major Gunner grade scrounge or something to just get by?

Karl

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:16:25 GMT, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:

...
I was stick welding yesterday under the hood of my new old van..Moby
Dick.

Hey Gunner,

Have I been sleeping under a rock? What vehicle did you finally settle on?
Major Gunner grade scrounge or something to just get by?

Karl

ah hum...I had a budget of about $4k +/- a smidge...so I did a bit of
scrounging....

Sitting in my driveway, is a 2001 Ford Ranger, extended cab with a 3.0
liter engine and auto, airconditioning to freeze the hubs of hell.
101K miles. Interior is mint, with factory CD player and alarm with
keyless remote.

I paid the owner $1000 cash. I paid her back tickets and fees and the
registration transfer to me $431, and the impound fee of $740 after
she got it impounded because she let the registration lapse, had no
insurance and no drivers license because she stopped paying child
support. (druggies...sigh)

Yesterday I had my mechanic put on new pads, a new rotor and grease
seals, and go completly through it. $230 He says its in marvelous
shape, with a couple cosmetic issues that are easy to resolve, the
biggest being a busted headlight and dinged fender and a tweaked rear
bumper. Taking it off and bending the mounting brackets will fix that.

So Im into a 6 yr old pickup for $2401. I also bought a used
headlight assembly $50 and a replacement drivers side fender $15.
.. Ill also need a topper or shell. Ill scrounge something up or use
the one I have on the Mazda..though really want a phone company/cable
company shell with ladder rack.. Ones for an extended cab Ranger are
hard to find.
This coming weekend she gets the fender and headlight assembly.

Retail bluebook is about $4500 in current condition
$2465 invested to date

This afternoon, Ill be putting a new thermostat and housing $35 (ouch)
on my 1989 Ford 350 Extended 1 ton van (91K miles, 5.8l, auto, Reese
towing package, electric brake controller etc, alarm, refridgerator,
internal 110vt wiring and inverter)
, then installing the new radiator, hoses, starter ($219) and the (2)
batteries (7 yr) $109. I already put on (5) really nice 235/70/R16
used tires $125. I paid the owner $1000 for the van.
$1488 invested to date, plus will need registration and smog..figure
another $150

$1638 invested so far in the van.

Combined investment is $4135.

Oh..I purchased a flatbed trailer $100 (single axle, way over built
and has electric brakes) and put that utility body $25 that I had
sitting out back on it (really nice fit), along with the big tool box.
Ill be mounting the near new Honda 3500 watt genset (swapped for an
elderly thread roller..free), and the Oster pipe threader (free) and
various other stuff including pipe and standard vise and ladder
rack.(got the steel waiting out back)
Ill have to paint it. Ive got 2 gallons of Industrial Rustoleum
(white..Habitat for Humanity...$10) and a friend who runs a sand
blasting company....How much does a case of beer cost?

So...I now have a daily driver (21mpg so far), a 1 ton heavy hauler
(need a phone company van kit with all the racking and shelves and
stuff ....anyone got one?) capable of pulling a Bridgeport from
California to Podunk Falls, and a facilities maintainance trailer that
will have all the Stuff onboard needed to do just about any sort of
installation/repair/overhaul, in one package

A fair amount of sweat equity but..shrug...by the time its all said
and done..Ill have about $4500 involved. Crom willing and the creek
dont rise. Cost of copious amounts of Diet Mt. Dew not included...been
well over 105F for the past month...gack!

And I just got an message from a client who wants me to help set up a
36,000 sqft fabrication facility from scratch. WhooHoo!

God I love it when good scrounges come together.

Did I do ok so far?

Gunner

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:54:28 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner
Asch quickly quoth:

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:16:25 GMT, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:
Hey Gunner,

Have I been sleeping under a rock? What vehicle did you finally settle on?
Major Gunner grade scrounge or something to just get by?


Combined investment is $4135.

Oh..I purchased a flatbed trailer $100 (single axle, way over built
and has electric brakes) and put that utility body $25 that I had
sitting out back on it (really nice fit), along with the big tool box.
Ill be mounting the near new Honda 3500 watt genset (swapped for an
elderly thread roller..free), and the Oster pipe threader (free) and
various other stuff including pipe and standard vise and ladder
rack.(got the steel waiting out back)
Ill have to paint it. Ive got 2 gallons of Industrial Rustoleum
(white..Habitat for Humanity...$10) and a friend who runs a sand
blasting company....How much does a case of beer cost?

So...I now have a daily driver (21mpg so far), a 1 ton heavy hauler
(need a phone company van kit with all the racking and shelves and
stuff ....anyone got one?) capable of pulling a Bridgeport from
California to Podunk Falls, and a facilities maintainance trailer that
will have all the Stuff onboard needed to do just about any sort of
installation/repair/overhaul, in one package

A fair amount of sweat equity but..shrug...by the time its all said
and done..Ill have about $4500 involved. Crom willing and the creek
dont rise. Cost of copious amounts of Diet Mt. Dew not included...been
well over 105F for the past month...gack!

I could have driven that little Hyundai down there for next to
nothing, but it has next to nothing in the way of hauling capacity.
I knew it'd be too damned hot, too, so I left it for you to enjoy
alone.


And I just got an message from a client who wants me to help set up a
36,000 sqft fabrication facility from scratch. WhooHoo!

Most excellent, duuude.


God I love it when good scrounges come together.

Did I do ok so far?

You're 4 for 3 in my books: Two gnu veHickelz (both Fords), plus a
trailer, plus you were right around the budget. Kudos.

- Metaphors Be With You -

UGH - what a sad story for me! - What a winner for you!

Kool! Wonder if the phone company / power company is having a junk
sale - truck wreck that will offload the back... Get a crane...

Finally got the 'pink slip' on my truck - and here is one - been here for
several years - loan company up north 200+ miles. Texas.
I got a Ca. title. Now I have to convert it at what cost.
Maybe I can get farm or ranch on it - it states commercial on the title.

Anyone know ?

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Life; NRA LOH & Endowment Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/


Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:16:25 GMT, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:

...
I was stick welding yesterday under the hood of my new old van..Moby
Dick.
Hey Gunner,

Have I been sleeping under a rock? What vehicle did you finally settle on?
Major Gunner grade scrounge or something to just get by?

Karl

ah hum...I had a budget of about $4k +/- a smidge...so I did a bit of
scrounging....

Sitting in my driveway, is a 2001 Ford Ranger, extended cab with a 3.0
liter engine and auto, airconditioning to freeze the hubs of hell.
101K miles. Interior is mint, with factory CD player and alarm with
keyless remote.

I paid the owner $1000 cash. I paid her back tickets and fees and the
registration transfer to me $431, and the impound fee of $740 after
she got it impounded because she let the registration lapse, had no
insurance and no drivers license because she stopped paying child
support. (druggies...sigh)

Yesterday I had my mechanic put on new pads, a new rotor and grease
seals, and go completly through it. $230 He says its in marvelous
shape, with a couple cosmetic issues that are easy to resolve, the
biggest being a busted headlight and dinged fender and a tweaked rear
bumper. Taking it off and bending the mounting brackets will fix that.

So Im into a 6 yr old pickup for $2401. I also bought a used
headlight assembly $50 and a replacement drivers side fender $15.
. Ill also need a topper or shell. Ill scrounge something up or use
the one I have on the Mazda..though really want a phone company/cable
company shell with ladder rack.. Ones for an extended cab Ranger are
hard to find.
This coming weekend she gets the fender and headlight assembly.

Retail bluebook is about $4500 in current condition
$2465 invested to date

This afternoon, Ill be putting a new thermostat and housing $35 (ouch)
on my 1989 Ford 350 Extended 1 ton van (91K miles, 5.8l, auto, Reese
towing package, electric brake controller etc, alarm, refridgerator,
internal 110vt wiring and inverter)
, then installing the new radiator, hoses, starter ($219) and the (2)
batteries (7 yr) $109. I already put on (5) really nice 235/70/R16
used tires $125. I paid the owner $1000 for the van.
$1488 invested to date, plus will need registration and smog..figure
another $150

$1638 invested so far in the van.

Combined investment is $4135.

Oh..I purchased a flatbed trailer $100 (single axle, way over built
and has electric brakes) and put that utility body $25 that I had
sitting out back on it (really nice fit), along with the big tool box.
Ill be mounting the near new Honda 3500 watt genset (swapped for an
elderly thread roller..free), and the Oster pipe threader (free) and
various other stuff including pipe and standard vise and ladder
rack.(got the steel waiting out back)
Ill have to paint it. Ive got 2 gallons of Industrial Rustoleum
(white..Habitat for Humanity...$10) and a friend who runs a sand
blasting company....How much does a case of beer cost?

So...I now have a daily driver (21mpg so far), a 1 ton heavy hauler
(need a phone company van kit with all the racking and shelves and
stuff ....anyone got one?) capable of pulling a Bridgeport from
California to Podunk Falls, and a facilities maintainance trailer that
will have all the Stuff onboard needed to do just about any sort of
installation/repair/overhaul, in one package

A fair amount of sweat equity but..shrug...by the time its all said
and done..Ill have about $4500 involved. Crom willing and the creek
dont rise. Cost of copious amounts of Diet Mt. Dew not included...been
well over 105F for the past month...gack!

And I just got an message from a client who wants me to help set up a
36,000 sqft fabrication facility from scratch. WhooHoo!

God I love it when good scrounges come together.

Did I do ok so far?

Gunner







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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:11:28 +0200, Nick Mueller
wrote:
Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

Give your 'Safety Man' a garden hose with a trigger nozzle or a full
garden sprayer with clean water in it, and the nozzle set for heavy
cone spray.

But don't try to extinguish a gas fire with water. Stupid idea!

No, that's what the Dry Chemical and/or CO2 extinguisher you have
sitting right there next to you are for - when you realize that water
isn't going to cut it this time, takes you three seconds to drop the
hose, grab an extinguisher, pull the pin, squeeze and sweep.

Still a hell of a lot faster than if you weren't there working the
safety man position at all, or if you had to go run to get the F.E.
off the wall bracket and run back.

I've tried the opposite and it doesn't work well - put out burning
stucco lath (tar paper) Class A fire with a CO2, and it flashes again
when the CO2 blows away. (But in the switchroom, Halon and CO2 was
all we had. They didn't want any oopsies with water on electronics.)

I have a wide assortment of extinguishers scattered around my house
to fit any possible need - ABC, BC, Purple-K, pressurized water, CO2.
Halon 1211 by the computers, and Potassium Acetate "Class K" for the
kitchen.

Southern California is bone dry and it's only the start of the
summer, we're going to have a vicious wildfire season this year - and
if everyone doing any sort of outside work (brush clearance,
construction) in a "wilderness interface area" has a water source or
an extinguisher readily at hand, we could stop half the wildfires
before they got going.

Welding or grinding sparks will get away and start an inferno really
fast - or if you're prepared and paying attention, you can jump on it
and put the fire out in the first few seconds. You need to have it
right there with you - If you have to 'run back to the truck and get
something', it's going to be too late.

-- Bruce --

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:16:25 GMT, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:

...
I was stick welding yesterday under the hood of my new old van..Moby
Dick.

Hey Gunner,

Have I been sleeping under a rock? What vehicle did you finally settle on?
Major Gunner grade scrounge or something to just get by?

Karl

Major Gunner? You could get in deep doodoo with such an allegation.
G

Bruce L. Bergman wrote:

when you realize that water
isn't going to cut it this time, takes you three seconds to drop the
hose, grab an extinguisher, pull the pin, squeeze and sweep.

The point is: You shouldn't even try to extinguish a gas fire with water. *)

*)
That only reminds me at a story at the army when I was welding some
signs**). The biggest idiot***) of the shop came by with a brush soaked in
gas and brushed over the glowing weld. Sure the brush ignited. He waved it
around and the fire went out. He did it a second time (you bet, I told him
not to do so). It ignited again, he tried to wave it out again. But the
brush fell out of his hand, right into a pan with gas. :-)
****** You know, when we had to use the fire extinguisher, we had to report
it. And that would only have triggered questions. What did that idiot do?
He ran for some water. NO!NO!NO!, don't do it! He did it anyhow and the
fire now was on the floor too. OK, we had to use the fire-extinguisher ...

**)
That only reminds me of ...
A major came by and watched me and asked, why it takes so long (we only had
OA). I just looked at him and without a word handed him the rod and the OA
torch. He left without further complaining. :-)

***)
That only reminds me ...
That moron was in cart racing. When he needed a new piston, he must have
confused the ordering number. 'Cause he got a piston without a window in
the skirt. What did he do? He clamped the piston in the vice, center
punched for 4 holes and drilled them. Then filed the rest. Well, the piston
got a "tad" oval. But nothing that couldn't be fixed with a hammer (in his
opinion).


Nick

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:50:32 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:16:25 GMT, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:

...
I was stick welding yesterday under the hood of my new old van..Moby
Dick.

Hey Gunner,

Have I been sleeping under a rock? What vehicle did you finally settle on?
Major Gunner grade scrounge or something to just get by?

Karl

Major Gunner? You could get in deep doodoo with such an allegation.
G

Major? Oh hell no. My parents were married.

Gunner