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Trouble with cut-off operation on lathe
This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I
usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? |
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Jim Reed wrote:
This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? Your best bet is a carbide insert. Costs a bit more but the results will be sure to satisfy. The tool holder has a blade with a notch on the end the insert presses into and can be replaced by popping out with a tool included. These inserts have a geometry with folds the chips, making them smaller than the groove being cut. It makes for a free cutting action and prevents chips from building up in the cut. Fred |
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try making your cutoff cut wider than your tool before your cutoff
groove gets too deep in the material. for example, poke your cutoff tool into the material .025, then move the tool over about .050 then go another .025, then move back and poke in another .025 so your groove is .050 wider than the tool to allow relief so the material doesnt pinch the tool. also use lots of cutting oil and make sure your tool is sharp. if you can use a saw instead, It would probably be better Jim Reed wrote: This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? |
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I agree with Fred, switching to carbide improved the situation. Do you
oil the cut? I find oil helps also. Steve Jim Reed wrote: This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? |
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Jim Reed wrote:
This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? As a last resort--turn the tool/holder upside down & run the lathe backwards----it works.....use same tool/work geometry only upside down.. |
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"Jim Reed" wrote in message ... This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? I'm not familiar with the Alorix, is it ridgid? Carbide is the answer I'd bet if you have the ridgidity. I use a big-assed QC post with as short as possible carbide cut-off tool, very slow feed with flood oil...and it still scares the crap out of me. I prefer to saw! That Reed-Prentice is a WONDERFULL chunk of iron! I thought I had the only one. Would you have a book on it? |
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I have had far better results with parting of tool inserts than solid
tools. I part of 6" bar at 400-600rpm on my herbert with no problems but with the same tool on a smaller lathe it chattered like hell. my best result on the smaller lathe was having the tool just below centre and finding the right speed by trial and error, and yes it only worked on one of 12 speeds on this lathe. Ron Jim Reed wrote: This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? |
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On Sat, 13 May 2006 22:31:48 -0500, jerry wass
wrote: Jim Reed wrote: This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? As a last resort--turn the tool/holder upside down & run the lathe backwards----it works.....use same tool/work geometry only upside down.. This is the first thing Id do. The "popping and chattering" indicates to me that something is seriously loose or the machine isnt rigid enough..so running it on the opposite side of the machine tends to tighten things up on a sloppy floppy lathe. The centerline issue is also something that may cause this. What kind of lathe is it? Gunner The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong. In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years .. It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power. Theodore Dalrymple, |
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All of those suggestions help. Turning the blade upside down sounds
counter-intuitive, as it seems as though it would be far less rigid, but it's worked for me. Maybe it has something to to with the chips clearing the groove more easily. |
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Sorry, my typing is atrocious (spelling is bad too.). It's an Aloris
knock-off. "Tom Gardner" wrote in message t... "Jim Reed" wrote in message ... This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? I'm not familiar with the Alorix, is it ridgid? Carbide is the answer I'd bet if you have the ridgidity. I use a big-assed QC post with as short as possible carbide cut-off tool, very slow feed with flood oil...and it still scares the crap out of me. I prefer to saw! That Reed-Prentice is a WONDERFULL chunk of iron! I thought I had the only one. Would you have a book on it? |
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I also tend to answer letters before they're finished. I have a photocopy
of the manual from the people at the Yahoo Reed-Prentice user group. I don't know if there are any left. We have been bantering around the idea of getting it on the 'net so all can have one. Just haven't found the perfect avenue yet. "Tom Gardner" wrote in message t... "Jim Reed" wrote in message ... This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? I'm not familiar with the Alorix, is it ridgid? Carbide is the answer I'd bet if you have the ridgidity. I use a big-assed QC post with as short as possible carbide cut-off tool, very slow feed with flood oil...and it still scares the crap out of me. I prefer to saw! That Reed-Prentice is a WONDERFULL chunk of iron! I thought I had the only one. Would you have a book on it? |
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"Jim Reed" wrote in message ... I also tend to answer letters before they're finished. I have a photocopy of the manual from the people at the Yahoo Reed-Prentice user group. I don't know if there are any left. We have been bantering around the idea of getting it on the 'net so all can have one. Just haven't found the perfect avenue yet. OMG...will trade brushes! |
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jerry wass writes: Jim Reed wrote: This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? As a last resort--turn the tool/holder upside down & run the lathe backwards----it works.....use same tool/work geometry only upside down.. Check cross-slide backlash, any present turns directly into a depth-of-cut if the work sucks in the parting tool- which happens easily even if you're careful with height and rake. If your cross-feed has more than a few thousanths of backlash, I'll bet a penny thats whats happening. My 12" American literally shattered the parting blade and bent a 1.5" steel bar I was parting due to the (considerable) backlash- scared the **** out of me. I have a length of acme and a new nut that I'll fit at some point soon... My little 6" Atlas has very little crossfeed backlash and parts fine. Gregm |
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Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. It turns out my cutoff tool was
flexing. I guess I'm going to have to buy something thicker. The thickest I have found is 1/4". I moved the tool I have until only about 1.5" stuck out, and could cut .010 to .015 per rev., no problem at all. It just made beautiful curls. Oh, and I stuck with automatic feed. I would imagine if I tried to hand feed, I would have problems with jamming around the tool like Tee-Nut implies. It cuts so well on auto feed, I don't want to do it any other way. "Tom Gardner" wrote in message . com... "Gunner" wrote in message ... http://yarchive.net/metal/parting_off.html Solid Gold! |
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Hi,
- This is from my early days when I 1st started out working in a shop: FREEHAND and on a 1920 Hendey. - You need to have your tool holder short as possible and a solid setup. I always ground the under relief to the curve of the grinding wheel. Flat on top. Perpendicular to the work and dead on centerline. Run slow, not too fast. LOTS OF SULPHUR BASED OIL. I ease in to the work, then I add a lot of handwheel pressure torque. Doing it freehand it is a touchy-feely thing. Not too easy / not too heavy, but heavier than you would think, steady, even pressure. Of course your machine's ways/gibs need to be no slop there. - Now with NC tape or CNC, you can keep your surface feed rate constant as the diameter is reduced, you can increase your speed. And if an enclosed housing, you can run coolant as liberally as you wish to flush away the chips and keep everything cool. And CNC tooling tends to be a very solid setup. - The other thing to consider is use a good piece of tool bit tool steel---USA, sorry. The import stuff is crap. Carbide insert tooling and the appropriate holder will do better results but more $$. - One old fart told me to not let my chips get hotter than corn yellow as to how to judge your speed. I realize serious production requires powder blue chips, but if doing it freehand, that's another story. - -+- Kurt =============== - Trouble with cut-off operation on lathe Group: rec.crafts.metalworking Date: Sat, May 13, 2006, 7:58pm From: (Jim*Reed) This is my first lathe and I am having trouble with using a cut-off tool. I usually am cutting of mild steel, although I've tried stainless, brass, and some junkyard shafts. The diameter ranges from 6" to 1". On almost every cut I have the cut-off tool popping at times and chattering at other times. All of my cuts look as though I used a machete and chopping motions while the lathe rotated. I have made sure the tool is 90 degrees to the work, that the tool meets the work at or just below even with the center, and that everything is tight. I have broken a few cutoff tools, and once hit the wall over 20 feet away with the broken piece. (Yes, I wear safety glasses). I am using a tool by Wholesale Tool (wttool.com), page 156 of their latest catalogue. It is a "P-Shaped M-2 cut off blade". Specifically, the P4 - 5/32X11/16X5. I flood the cutting area with oil. I have tried almost every speed on the lathe - roughly 150 to 450 RPM. My lathe is a Reed-Prentice 16X54, and the toolholder is an oriental Alorix knock-off. * I've used a new 15" four jaw and a 8" three jaw chuck. What do I check/change? |
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