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Re. Marking steel for dial
Couple of days ago, I hit upon a great way to whiten engraved marks in steel
dials and such. "Whiteout" correction fluid.. Daub it on with just the tips of the bristles. Then scrape off the excess with your finger nail. Finally clean up the surrounding area with very gentle swipes of almost dry acetone on a rag. You want to swipe over the mark with just enough acetone to remove the excess Whiteout; dry enough to not soak into the whitened depression. Special paints are made for this, but Whiteout is quick and cheap, and fairly long lived AGAICT. On my spin indexer, I whitened critical marks such as the ( ) pointer, and ( 0 ); and geometrically significant numbers like 60, 90, 120, 180, 240, 270, 300. Bob Swinney |
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Re. Marking steel for dial
Hey Bob,
I've used it for that too. In fact, I buy both the "brush" stuff, and the pen type, and the marker type. Great stuff all round. Works great for writing on metals and dark stuff too. And CHEAP!!!! Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:21:32 -0500, "Robert Swinney" wrote: Couple of days ago, I hit upon a great way to whiten engraved marks in steel dials and such. "Whiteout" correction fluid.. Daub it on with just the tips of the bristles. Then scrape off the excess with your finger nail. Finally clean up the surrounding area with very gentle swipes of almost dry acetone on a rag. You want to swipe over the mark with just enough acetone to remove the excess Whiteout; dry enough to not soak into the whitened depression. Special paints are made for this, but Whiteout is quick and cheap, and fairly long lived AGAICT. On my spin indexer, I whitened critical marks such as the ( ) pointer, and ( 0 ); and geometrically significant numbers like 60, 90, 120, 180, 240, 270, 300. Bob Swinney |
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Re. Marking steel for dial
Brian,
Did you go to N.A.M.E.S.this year? Did you help them find Mike Graham? I remember you guys live in about the same general area. I can't make N.A.M.E.S. this time. Blew the budget on a steamboat cruise on the Mississippi Queen. I do get to see an interestring steam engine, though. The Queen's Engines have a 10 foot stroke. Bob Swinney Bob Swinney "Brian Lawson" wrote in message ... Hey Bob, I've used it for that too. In fact, I buy both the "brush" stuff, and the pen type, and the marker type. Great stuff all round. Works great for writing on metals and dark stuff too. And CHEAP!!!! Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:21:32 -0500, "Robert Swinney" wrote: Couple of days ago, I hit upon a great way to whiten engraved marks in steel dials and such. "Whiteout" correction fluid.. Daub it on with just the tips of the bristles. Then scrape off the excess with your finger nail. Finally clean up the surrounding area with very gentle swipes of almost dry acetone on a rag. You want to swipe over the mark with just enough acetone to remove the excess Whiteout; dry enough to not soak into the whitened depression. Special paints are made for this, but Whiteout is quick and cheap, and fairly long lived AGAICT. On my spin indexer, I whitened critical marks such as the ( ) pointer, and ( 0 ); and geometrically significant numbers like 60, 90, 120, 180, 240, 270, 300. Bob Swinney |
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Re. Marking steel for dial
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:21:32 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote: Couple of days ago, I hit upon a great way to whiten engraved marks in steel dials and such. "Whiteout" correction fluid.. Daub it on with just the tips of the bristles. Then scrape off the excess with your finger nail. Finally clean up the surrounding area with very gentle swipes of almost dry acetone on a rag. You want to swipe over the mark with just enough acetone to remove the excess Whiteout; dry enough to not soak into the whitened depression. Special paints are made for this, but Whiteout is quick and cheap, and fairly long lived AGAICT. On my spin indexer, I whitened critical marks such as the ( ) pointer, and ( 0 ); and geometrically significant numbers like 60, 90, 120, 180, 240, 270, 300. Bob Swinney Whiteout works pretty good on the lettering on firearms and the front sight too. Gunner "I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism. As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist |
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Re. Marking steel for dial
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:35:42 GMT, Gunner wrote:
Whiteout works pretty good on the lettering on firearms and the front sight too. Ah, for photographing markings, in a way that doesn't permanently alter the gun? |
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Mike, and NAMES was Re. Marking steel for dial
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:16:35 -0400, Brian Lawson
wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:17:36 -0500, "Robert Swinney" wrote: Brian, Did you go to N.A.M.E.S.this year? Did you help them find Mike Graham? I remember you guys live in about the same general area. I can't make N.A.M.E.S. this time. Blew the budget on a steamboat cruise on the Mississippi Queen. I do get to see an interestring steam engine, though. The Queen's Engines have a 10 foot stroke. Bob Swinney XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Hey Bob, Yes, I was there at NAMES 2006. It was only 35 minutes further drive for me, time-wise, than the old places. I go a few days early to help out, and this year I was "dockmaster", so too busy to see the show as well as a visitor would, or could, or should!! My legs are bad, so any slack moments I tend to grab a chair out on the loading dock and wait for the next load to show up, so I truly do not get to see too much. By the time late Saturday afternoon rolls around, I've been there and busy working for 4 days and I'm whipped, and as most if not all the arrivals are in, I head for home just prior to the Saturday closing. What I did see was very good though, and well received. I think most people liked the single large hall, rather than the double rinks of the past two years, the lack of "overhead wires and air lines" makes it look more professional, and the lighting is very good too. Disappointment on the part of some exhibitors is that while there is compressed air piped in "everywhere", there was not electricity available free due to the "house rules" at the Seagate. Hopefully, some sort of arrangement can be made for following years to provide it to those who need it. I heard good comments on Ron Ginger's seminar too, and I wish I had attended. I have no idea as to paid attendance, nor what is "normal/usual", but it sure looked like lots of people throughout Saturday. The Seagate Center is easy to find and get to, and parking is readily available at reasonable rates, and if there is rotten weather (like last year in 2005), the line forms inside the building out of the weather!! I have no idea how the vendors fared, but with the well spaced aisles there was no need to "by-pass" anyone. Quite a number of new vendor faces too, and of course lots of the regulars, but some were conspicuous by their absence. Maybe one of each of them can jump in here and have their say as to how they felt it went. Hopefully you'll make it next year, April 21 & 22, 2007. And about Mike. I noticed someone PINGing him here on RCM last week, but I didn't get in on the hunt. I seem to recall he lived a bit north-west of Toronto. near Bolton or Caledon, which is about 160 plus miles from me. I figure if he wanted to chat with us, he'd be here. I will contact someone (that's you Speff) who knows him better than I, and at least tell him he is sorely missed by us all and that someone is trying to contact him for specific reason. I've seen the Delta King (or was it Queen) from the Muzipee shoreline, but not been aboard, and not even seen the Mississippi lady you were on except in Live Steam magazine. Sounds like a hoot! Got any pix?? Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. It was a good show, and I hauled home plenty of iron (the 1/3 Galloway kit). However, a number of vendors I usually see weren't there or I didn't see them. I didn't see Scott Logan or the Hodgsons. Ron Colonna had his H-D running like, well, an H-D. The scale Duesenberg was there, a full scale steam launch, and a Model "D" JD just ticking over. The extra distance was a good excuse to spend the night. The Seagate Center is much nicer than the rinks, and like Brian said, no standing around outside. It finally dawned on me to take lots of detail photos of the completed Galloway hit'n miss on display, so I did that before driving home Sunday morning. I could post some pics if anyone's interested. Pete Keillor |
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Mike, and NAMES was Re. Marking steel for dial
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:16:35 -0400, Brian Lawson
wrote: I will contact someone (that's you Speff) who knows him better than I, and at least tell him he is sorely missed by us all and that someone is trying to contact him for specific reason. Hi, Brian. I haven't talked to Mike in years. AFAIK, via DOC who lives near him, he's been doing different stuff these days (digital photography). BTW, you're about 10,000 miles closer to where he lives than I am at the moment. ;-) Thanks for the detailed report on NAMES & sorry I had to miss it this time. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Re. Marking steel for dial
On 25 Apr 2006 22:09:54 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:35:42 GMT, Gunner wrote: Whiteout works pretty good on the lettering on firearms and the front sight too. Ah, for photographing markings, in a way that doesn't permanently alter the gun? Correct. Or simply for "dress up" and adding to whatever "cool factor" it may have. Some folks use gold inlay/paint to make it a bit dressier. The front sight use of course is obvious. Gunner "I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism. As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist |
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Mike, and NAMES was Re. Marking steel for dial
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:53:11 -0400, Pete Keillor
wrote: HUGE SNIP I could post some pics if anyone's interested. Pete Keillor Hey Peter, Yes, please!! Or.............. at least send them to me! Thanks. Brian Lawson |
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Mike, and NAMES was Re. Marking steel for dial
"Brian Lawson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:53:11 -0400, Pete Keillor wrote: HUGE SNIP I could post some pics if anyone's interested. Pete Keillor Hey Peter, Yes, please!! Or.............. at least send them to me! Thanks. Brian Lawson Thanx, guys for the reports on NAMES. I wonder though if the show will be long for this world if Scott Logan doesn't go anymore. For sure, it doesn't sound the same without Hodgson's radial on display. Pete's 1/3 Galloway just about fills my ambition. I have a small H or M of Bob Shores but haven't started on it yet. Maybe soon. Bob Swinney |
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Mike, and NAMES was Re. Marking steel for dial
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:43:18 -0400, Brian Lawson
wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:53:11 -0400, Pete Keillor wrote: HUGE SNIP I could post some pics if anyone's interested. Pete Keillor Hey Peter, Yes, please!! Or.............. at least send them to me! Thanks. Brian Lawson OK, Brian, I've uploaded the photos. Look for the NAMES 2006 gallery on http://peteiii.smugmug.com/ . If you want higher resolution of any of them, let me know. I cut the resolution in half for faster uploads. If you don't mind, let me know how Smugmug works for this. I'm using it for personal stuff and when I have loads of photos. I don't want to swamp the dropbox. Pete Keillor |
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Re. Marking steel for dial
I have done lots of color filling and finally mastered it. First, the
marking must be quite deep and without a burr. Clean the object well by dipping in acetone or naptha. When dry apply the laquer of choice.It can be pretty heavy. open up an old white pages phone book and blot the surface ink off. Just press it down, move to clean spot, repeat until only a very thin film is left. ley dry overnight. Take some scotch transparent tape and lift off that residue. If that doesn't quite get it use auto wax and a soft cloth to finish it up. I like KIT liquidwax |
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Hey Peter,
Super, and Superb. Beautiful shots!! And the resolution was perfect. Thank You. And I'm not sure what you might have concerns with "SmugMug" or whatever, but it all worked just great for me at least. That is a fine looking engine too. Good luck with it. Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:56:42 -0400, Pete Keillor wrote: On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:43:18 -0400, Brian Lawson wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:53:11 -0400, Pete Keillor wrote: HUGE SNIP I could post some pics if anyone's interested. Pete Keillor Hey Peter, Yes, please!! Or.............. at least send them to me! Thanks. Brian Lawson OK, Brian, I've uploaded the photos. Look for the NAMES 2006 gallery on http://peteiii.smugmug.com/ . If you want higher resolution of any of them, let me know. I cut the resolution in half for faster uploads. If you don't mind, let me know how Smugmug works for this. I'm using it for personal stuff and when I have loads of photos. I don't want to swamp the dropbox. Pete Keillor |
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Mike, and NAMES was Re. Marking steel for dial
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:12:10 -0400, Brian Lawson
wrote: Hey Peter, Super, and Superb. Beautiful shots!! And the resolution was perfect. Thank You. And I'm not sure what you might have concerns with "SmugMug" or whatever, but it all worked just great for me at least. That is a fine looking engine too. Good luck with it. Take care. Brian Lawson, Bothwell, Ontario. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX snip No problem, I just hadn't heard much feedback. Smugmug's good from the input side, I just wanted an opinion from the viewer side. For smugmug, I just do all resizing and corrections into a folder, then I can set up a gallery and load the whole folder. It's ~$20 / yr, which ain't bad. Time will tell if the Expo does well in Toledo. In spite of the absence of some well known names, I think it will. I met a couple of folks who drove from Iowa while waiting in line. They lived 20 miles apart and had never met. This was the first show for one of them, a retired farmer. That seems a good omen. Pete Keillor |
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