A member of the CCED list posted that someone appeared to have ripped
off his entire web page detailing his mods to the mill.
Sure enough, it's all there, and obviously a fraud, listed within a day
of the seller signing up, and bidder's identities protected.
The seller directly linked all images to the original web site.
Owner of said web site simply replaced one of the images with a fraud
warning.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573870182&category=25 276

This ends tomorrow and may be shut down before then, so take a quick
peek.

I like it!

Jon

In article , Jon Anderson says...

A member of the CCED list posted that someone appeared to have ripped
off his entire web page detailing his mods to the mill.
Sure enough, it's all there, and obviously a fraud, listed within a day
of the seller signing up, and bidder's identities protected.
The seller directly linked all images to the original web site.
Owner of said web site simply replaced one of the images with a fraud
warning.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573870182&category=25 276

This ends tomorrow and may be shut down before then, so take a quick
peek.

I like it!

This is amazingly funny.

I wonder what the seller is thinking right now!

Jim

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I didn't even notice that in the first two looks. He needs to change all the
images. eBay's usually very good about removing auctions using stolen
information or photos, so I'm surprised it hasn't been deleted after a
complaint.

GTO(John)

A member of the CCED list posted that someone appeared to have ripped
off his entire web page detailing his mods to the mill.
Sure enough, it's all there, and obviously a fraud, listed within a day
of the seller signing up, and bidder's identities protected.
The seller directly linked all images to the original web site.
Owner of said web site simply replaced one of the images with a fraud
warning.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573870182&category=25 276

This ends tomorrow and may be shut down before then, so take a quick
peek.

I like it!

Jon

And the seller says he's located in the USA, but ebay says he
registered in Canada..........

Bidders ID's are hidden because he didn't want anyone tipping them
off....

This ass has undoubtedly done this before as he seems to know the
"tricks"

As a "foreign" buyer, just try to get your money back from this
scum.... beyond the reach of our authorities and Canada's laws are
much more "relaxed" than even our own (which are pathetic enough) when
it comes to procecuting mail/internet fraud.


This is precisely why I don't ever bid on items from Canada or any
other foreign country unless the seller has plenty of good quality
feedback. Even then you take a risk.


While I've had mainly good results with ebay auctions, I've been
ripped off several times by US sellers that had good feedback but then
"went south"....

If I figure the money I think I saved on the "deals" that did pan out
versus the money I've lost on fraud, it's almost a wash.... Once you
add in the hassle of dealing with someone who is an amatuer when it
comes to shipping or who originally bought the item at a flea market
or garage sale and has no idea that parts are missing or the thing was
mis-represented to him..... etc. etc.,

I've begun to move away from ebay unless I'm looking for a specific
part to a specific machine and the seller can personally vouch for the
item.

I've had to ship a few things back to people for a refund... of
course then your out shipping both ways which is sometimes near or
more than the item was worth to begin with....




Jon Anderson wrote in message ...
A member of the CCED list posted that someone appeared to have ripped
off his entire web page detailing his mods to the mill.
Sure enough, it's all there, and obviously a fraud, listed within a day
of the seller signing up, and bidder's identities protected.
The seller directly linked all images to the original web site.
Owner of said web site simply replaced one of the images with a fraud
warning.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573870182&category=25 276

This ends tomorrow and may be shut down before then, so take a quick
peek.

I like it!

Jon

Jon Anderson wrote:
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573870182&category=25 276

This ends tomorrow and may be shut down before then, so take a quick
peek.

I like it!

Jon

There's more than one sharp cookie selling Girl Scouts on eBay, but so far I've
made out OK. I often e-mail sellers with questions before bidding and make my
decision to bid according to the kind of answers I receive. Only has two problems
in maybe 100 purchases over the last few years:

1. An ivory carving which turned out to be "Mandarin Ivory" which is a loaded
plastic material which looks pretty good, but won't fool an ivory collector. I
believe the seller made an innocent mistake as she took it back and paid me a full
refund immediately. BTW the stuff's easily identified; A red hot sewing pin will
melt its way right into an obscure spot on the piece, it won't do anything when
pressed against real ivory.

2. A CD containing a medical reference book. The seller displayed a photo of the
actual CD, but sent me a labeless home burned copy which was wouldn't even run
because it was missing several important files. The swine refused to take it back,
and actually said to me "How do I know you didn't make a copy of it and are trying
to rip me off?" He rescinded when I threatened to report him to the CD's
publisher, his local police department, and the AG in his state. I got my money
back along with a nasty threatening letter saying the only reason he was giving me
a refund is because he didn't want to go to jail again.

I'm amazed that anyone intelligent enough to want to own a CNC mill would dare to
bid on one from a seller with no feedback who'd just signed up with eBay a few
days before. I wonder if the 14 "bids" showing when I looked at it are phonys too.

--

Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"If you can smile when things are going wrong, you've thought of someone to blame
it on."

cq cq to you i am sorry you feel that way
i put 4 on ebay a few month ago i have
been beat up all my life but i did not rip any on off if any one loose it is me
i under sell my self yes i had no feed back but i had wonder full machines
that went to china...
i replaced them from 2 machines i bought on ebay and i am a happy camper

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:00:56 -0800, someone who calls themselves Jon
Anderson wrote:

A member of the CCED list posted that someone appeared to have ripped
off his entire web page detailing his mods to the mill.
Sure enough, it's all there, and obviously a fraud, listed within a day
of the seller signing up, and bidder's identities protected.
The seller directly linked all images to the original web site.
Owner of said web site simply replaced one of the images with a fraud
warning.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573870182&category=25 276

This ends tomorrow and may be shut down before then, so take a quick
peek.

I like it!

Jon

As others have pointed out, the guy is slick, I'll give him that -
But Hans is even slicker in catching and dealing with it...

I'm gonna bookmark this one and follow what happens next.
Cue the William Tell Overture - that should draw the Lone Ranger out
of the woodworks...

I would report this to E-Bay myself, but you have to register first
before you can report it. No, thankee, not right now...

Those of you who do have E-Bay accounts, please write to complain
early and often - It's the Chicago Way... ;-)

Note to Hans Wedemeyer: This is getting coverage in the Usenet
newsgroup news:rec.crafts.metalworking and I am posting this message
there and E-mailing you a courtesy copy. Feel free to jump in with
your comments directly, the headers should get you to the thread.
Or search Google Groups for the root message of the thread -
www.google.com, click "Groups", and search for this Message-ID:


Does Texas Law still accept "Your Honor, He needed killin'." as a
valid defense? ;-)

-- Bruce --
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Electrician, Westend Electric (#726700) Agoura, CA

WARNING: UCE Spam E-mail is not welcome here. I report violators.
SpamBlock In Use - Remove the "Python" with a "net" to E-Mail.

LOL, paybacks sure are nice when they work out like this! I remember seeing
one about a car (I think), anyway, the pix were stolen (like this case), the
person who owned the images put one up with a note (in crayon) sayin he
likes little boys. Sure made the ebay ad look funny :-)

--
Lynn "I have opposable thumbs, and I'm not scared to use em" Amick
http://www.amickracing.com

"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
...
A member of the CCED list posted that someone appeared to have ripped
off his entire web page detailing his mods to the mill.
Sure enough, it's all there, and obviously a fraud, listed within a day
of the seller signing up, and bidder's identities protected.
The seller directly linked all images to the original web site.
Owner of said web site simply replaced one of the images with a fraud
warning.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ategory=25 27
6

This ends tomorrow and may be shut down before then, so take a quick
peek.

I like it!

Jon

Another EBay mill sale where it appears that the pictures are ripped
off, but in this case reformatted to try to make them look different is
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=25 276
The original sale was
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2568599174
It is the same kind of deal were the bidders ID are kept private so
someone who sees the ripped off pictures can't contact them. Also the
seller signed up the day he/she listed the mill.

Jerry

Jon Anderson wrote:
A member of the CCED list posted that someone appeared to have ripped
off his entire web page detailing his mods to the mill.
Sure enough, it's all there, and obviously a fraud, listed within a day
of the seller signing up, and bidder's identities protected.
The seller directly linked all images to the original web site.
Owner of said web site simply replaced one of the images with a fraud
warning.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573870182&category=25 276

This ends tomorrow and may be shut down before then, so take a quick
peek.

I like it!

Jon

Hi,

You can bet that most if not all the bids are seller provided....or
should we say were...the sale has been cancelled by the "seller". It
would seem our "seller" reads the Usenet lists and/or Yahoo groups
when he is not busy ripping off websites.

Check out the bid history when you get the time. When I first saw this
ad last night, it had 14 bids and the cancelled bid history now shows
a smaller number and in a very weird ordering. Any idea if this is an
artifact of Ebay or something more interesting.

The comment of more "sharp cookies selling Girl Scout cookies" is
correct from my observations. It used to be that someone like Babin
was the exception but now one must be rather cautious as to who you
are dealing with since the sleaze in question are getting more
sophisticated.

Let's be careful out there...

TMT


Jeff Wisnia wrote in message ...
Jon Anderson wrote:
snipped


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2573870182&category=25 276

This ends tomorrow and may be shut down before then, so take a quick
peek.

I like it!

Jon

There's more than one sharp cookie selling Girl Scouts on eBay, but so far I've
made out OK. I often e-mail sellers with questions before bidding and make my
decision to bid according to the kind of answers I receive. Only has two problems
in maybe 100 purchases over the last few years:

1. An ivory carving which turned out to be "Mandarin Ivory" which is a loaded
plastic material which looks pretty good, but won't fool an ivory collector. I
believe the seller made an innocent mistake as she took it back and paid me a full
refund immediately. BTW the stuff's easily identified; A red hot sewing pin will
melt its way right into an obscure spot on the piece, it won't do anything when
pressed against real ivory.

2. A CD containing a medical reference book. The seller displayed a photo of the
actual CD, but sent me a labeless home burned copy which was wouldn't even run
because it was missing several important files. The swine refused to take it back,
and actually said to me "How do I know you didn't make a copy of it and are trying
to rip me off?" He rescinded when I threatened to report him to the CD's
publisher, his local police department, and the AG in his state. I got my money
back along with a nasty threatening letter saying the only reason he was giving me
a refund is because he didn't want to go to jail again.

I'm amazed that anyone intelligent enough to want to own a CNC mill would dare to
bid on one from a seller with no feedback who'd just signed up with eBay a few
days before. I wonder if the 14 "bids" showing when I looked at it are phonys too.

--

Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"If you can smile when things are going wrong, you've thought of someone to blame
it on."


--

The real sellers should put a watermark on their pix to stop theft.







Too_Many_Tools wrote:
Hi,

You can bet that most if not all the bids are seller provided....or
should we say were...the sale has been cancelled by the "seller". It
would seem our "seller" reads the Usenet lists and/or Yahoo groups
when he is not busy ripping off websites.

Check out the bid history when you get the time. When I first saw this
ad last night, it had 14 bids and the cancelled bid history now shows
a smaller number and in a very weird ordering. Any idea if this is an
artifact of Ebay or something more interesting.

The comment of more "sharp cookies selling Girl Scout cookies" is
correct from my observations. It used to be that someone like Babin
was the exception but now one must be rather cautious as to who you
are dealing with since the sleaze in question are getting more
sophisticated.

Let's be careful out there...

TMT


Jeff Wisnia wrote in message
...
Jon Anderson wrote:
snipped



http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ategory=25 27
6

This ends tomorrow and may be shut down before then, so take a quick
peek.

I like it!

Jon

There's more than one sharp cookie selling Girl Scouts on eBay, but
so far I've made out OK. I often e-mail sellers with questions
before bidding and make my decision to bid according to the kind of
answers I receive. Only has two problems in maybe 100 purchases over
the last few years:

1. An ivory carving which turned out to be "Mandarin Ivory" which is
a loaded plastic material which looks pretty good, but won't fool an
ivory collector. I believe the seller made an innocent mistake as
she took it back and paid me a full refund immediately. BTW the
stuff's easily identified; A red hot sewing pin will melt its way
right into an obscure spot on the piece, it won't do anything when
pressed against real ivory.

2. A CD containing a medical reference book. The seller displayed a
photo of the actual CD, but sent me a labeless home burned copy
which was wouldn't even run because it was missing several important
files. The swine refused to take it back, and actually said to me
"How do I know you didn't make a copy of it and are trying to rip me
off?" He rescinded when I threatened to report him to the CD's
publisher, his local police department, and the AG in his state. I
got my money back along with a nasty threatening letter saying the
only reason he was giving me a refund is because he didn't want to
go to jail again.

I'm amazed that anyone intelligent enough to want to own a CNC mill
would dare to bid on one from a seller with no feedback who'd just
signed up with eBay a few days before. I wonder if the 14 "bids"
showing when I looked at it are phonys too.

--

Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"If you can smile when things are going wrong, you've thought of
someone to blame it on."


--

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:01:06 -0700, "mrbonaparte"
wrote:

The real sellers should put a watermark on their pix to stop theft.

There is no real seller- the pics and text are from a how-to web site.

-Carl