On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:37:30 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:



And I simply use that for a geopolitical digital detection system. I
can tell which portion of So. California Im in, by which digit folks
in other cars give me. Orange County, Riverside, San Bernadino, San
Fernando..the digit is usually a thumbs up. In West Hollywood, The
Peoples Republik of Santa Monica..its another finger.

Gunner



You get two thumbs up from this here (Western) Canadian :=)

Dont let the *******s wear you down, eh?


Peace,
BK

In article , Gunner Asch says...

Im probably one of the few who even makes the attempt to be publicly
opinionated..with my Cowboy Calvin ****ing on the word Liberals in the
rear window of my pickup truck.

Life's more than a bumper sticker, Gunner.

And I simply use that for a geopolitical digital detection system.

Well there is that. Around here you don't need that, you can tell
where you are by how the folks around you drive, and what they're
driving.

Jim


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Let the record show that Artemia Salina wrote back on
Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:27:38 -0400 in rec.crafts.metalworking :

I really wonder what guys like you would do if, by magic, every
Lefty (or whoever it is that's not on Your Team) were suddenly
to vanish, never ever to be heard from again. Ever. How would
you and Gunner fill your time with nothing to complain about?
I think you'd be bored and miserable without the other team
around to fight with and complain about.

Oh, there is plenty to complain about, always will be. And if there is
nothing to complain about, we'll complain about that, too. See Sig.

OTOH, right now there are a lot of conservatives who do not like the
GOP's acceptance of the presupposition that everything has to be done or
managed from Washington DC. If the Left Liberals of the DNC (etc) were to
all succumb to the Avian Flu, then the political battle would shift back to
the basic presuppositional one of: what is the role of the Federal
Government (or any government) in the life of the country. Or to put it
more succinctly: where is it written in the Constitution that the US
Government is to have jurisdiction over [_____]?

It is interesting to note, there doesn't seem to be any member of
either chamber, who has asked that question consistently over the last 40
years.


tschus
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Let the record show that "Hawke" wrote back on Sun,
23 Oct 2005 01:05:52 -0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
I saw a bit but for the popular press that was pretty good. Leaving
out the Delay bit and forgetting that the powerful NRA is a citizens
interest group that defends the Second Amendment.

The campaign contribs at bottom were priceless. We know what pays for
liberals to run.

Wes

Yeah, but do you know who pays for Righties to run? I can tell you it ain't
large numbers of common folk chipping in twenty bucks each.

If memory serves, it was more like large numbers of folk chipping in an
average of forty eight bucks.

The Democrats are the ones who still are depending on deep pocket
liberals ponying up the big contributions.


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On 24 Oct 2005 12:56:19 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner Asch says...

Im probably one of the few who even makes the attempt to be publicly
opinionated..with my Cowboy Calvin ****ing on the word Liberals in the
rear window of my pickup truck.

Life's more than a bumper sticker, Gunner.

No ****? And here I was thinking life was a chocolate fudgcicle.

And I simply use that for a geopolitical digital detection system.

Well there is that. Around here you don't need that, you can tell
where you are by how the folks around you drive, and what they're
driving.

Jim

I wonder...does that make my bright yellow 82' Volvo brick, with the
NRA sticker in the rear window..a Stealth vehicle?

Gunner


"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On 24 Oct 2005 05:57:34 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, jim rozen
quickly quoth:

In article , Gunner Asch says...

On the other hand..the honest reader finds this sort of bias
disgusting and says so.

What's the opposite of that - a 'dishonest reader?' Heh.

An Egyptian reader: One in denial. groan


That's sort of an odd word choice, I would have said 'skilled'
or 'critical' or 'careful.' Not to nit pick but I truly don't
think that folks who are suckered in by propoganda (and by
this I mean anything done by an author with even a tiny ax
to gind) are being willfully dishonest.

Do you feel equally as disgusted when you see a blatant
right wing propoganda tract, as I do when I see the reverse?
If you say "there are no right wing propoganda tracts, only
strongly stated right wing opinions" then you fail the test.
LOL.

Yes, disgusted enough to remove myself from the Republican party.


Propoganda has a continuum of subtlety. I think the extreme
ends do a poor job of advocating their position - to the point
of souring folks. I think the folks doing the *writing* are
the ones being dishonest in those cases, not the readers.

I think both are true. The writer is biased and the reader is in
denial about it. Both lose from it.


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Greetings and Salutations...

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 05:17:30 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:39:53 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Martin H. Eastburn" quickly quoth:

Was there only 1 picture ?
Not one for the papers and one for the locals ?
Normally there are many pictures taken. Not just one.

The picture in question was the one used in the history textbooks.
He brought in an unretouched (or considerably less retouched) photo
which showed the actual happening, not some prudish and historically
inaccurate semblance.

And it happens all the time. When I was in high school,
we read McBeth in the English class. I was annoyed, but, not
really surprised (having had a healthy disrespect for authority
for many years already) to find that the Porter's Scene was
completely excised. I took rather too much pleasure at taking
MY copy of Shakespeare's works to school that day, and, not only
pointing out to the teacher that the scene was gone, but, reading
it out loud to the class!
Ms. Wiles, who was quite a nice person, tried to smooth
it over, but, in retrospect, I think the fact that she did not make
any serious effort to shut me up may have been a hint that she
did not entirely like the censorship herself.
Oddly enough, now that we have such a huge firehose
of information (the Net, CNN, Fox News, etc), it seems harder
and harder to get to the truth. The biggest problem I see, though,
is that most folks simply find the spin they like, and, demonize
all other versions. Few folks are willing to seek out several
sources, with differing views, and, consider all the points to
sift out what truth is left. Perhaps, actually, it is not
only being unwilling, but, thanks to the "PC" school system,
most folks are UNABLE to do this these days.
In any case, it is a challenge and one should NEVER
accept the first version of the truth one gets.
Mulder's mentor was right...trust no one.
Regards
Dave Mundt

Dave Mundt wrote:
Greetings and Salutations...

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 05:17:30 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:39:53 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Martin H. Eastburn" quickly quoth:

Was there only 1 picture ?
Not one for the papers and one for the locals ?
Normally there are many pictures taken. Not just one.

The picture in question was the one used in the history textbooks.
He brought in an unretouched (or considerably less retouched) photo
which showed the actual happening, not some prudish and historically
inaccurate semblance.

And it happens all the time. When I was in high school,
we read McBeth in the English class. I was annoyed, but, not
really surprised (having had a healthy disrespect for authority
for many years already) to find that the Porter's Scene was
completely excised. I took rather too much pleasure at taking
MY copy of Shakespeare's works to school that day, and, not only
pointing out to the teacher that the scene was gone, but, reading
it out loud to the class!
Ms. Wiles, who was quite a nice person, tried to smooth
it over, but, in retrospect, I think the fact that she did not make
any serious effort to shut me up may have been a hint that she
did not entirely like the censorship herself.
Oddly enough, now that we have such a huge firehose
of information (the Net, CNN, Fox News, etc), it seems harder
and harder to get to the truth. The biggest problem I see, though,
is that most folks simply find the spin they like, and, demonize
all other versions. Few folks are willing to seek out several
sources, with differing views, and, consider all the points to
sift out what truth is left. Perhaps, actually, it is not
only being unwilling, but, thanks to the "PC" school system,
most folks are UNABLE to do this these days.
In any case, it is a challenge and one should NEVER
accept the first version of the truth one gets.
Mulder's mentor was right...trust no one.
Regards
Dave Mundt

QUESTION AUTHORITY

A bumper sticker that was pasted on my door (upside down) for two decades!
A friend once tried to tell me that it was upside down - there was a
'pregnant pause'.............

Ken.

In article , Dave Mundt says...

And it happens all the time. When I was in high school,
we read McBeth in the English class. I was annoyed, but, not
really surprised (having had a healthy disrespect for authority
for many years already) to find that the Porter's Scene was
completely excised. I took rather too much pleasure at taking
MY copy of Shakespeare's works to school that day, and, not only
pointing out to the teacher that the scene was gone, but, reading
it out loud to the class!

No kidding. I have an unexpurgated version of "All Quite on the
Western Front" which starts out quite differently than the
usual one read in classrooms.

All the soldiers are sitting on open-air ****ters, playing
cards.

Ms. Wiles, who was quite a nice person, tried to smooth
it over, but, in retrospect, I think the fact that she did not make
any serious effort to shut me up may have been a hint that she
did not entirely like the censorship herself.

Funny about that too. The folks who are in charge of controlling
the informatin flow, sometimes aren't all that keen on censoring
it....

Jim


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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:47:28 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Dave
Mundt quickly quoth:

And it happens all the time. When I was in high school,
we read McBeth in the English class. I was annoyed, but, not
really surprised (having had a healthy disrespect for authority

I learned to question authority early on, too. We're the lucky
ones vs. the sheeple, eh? BTW, isn't it "MacBeth"?


for many years already) to find that the Porter's Scene was
completely excised. I took rather too much pleasure at taking
MY copy of Shakespeare's works to school that day, and, not only
pointing out to the teacher that the scene was gone, but, reading
it out loud to the class!

Tres magnifique, monsieur.


Ms. Wiles, who was quite a nice person, tried to smooth
it over, but, in retrospect, I think the fact that she did not make
any serious effort to shut me up may have been a hint that she
did not entirely like the censorship herself.

Atta Girls/Boys to her and all like her!


Oddly enough, now that we have such a huge firehose
of information (the Net, CNN, Fox News, etc), it seems harder
and harder to get to the truth. The biggest problem I see, though,
is that most folks simply find the spin they like, and, demonize
all other versions. Few folks are willing to seek out several
sources, with differing views, and, consider all the points to
sift out what truth is left. Perhaps, actually, it is not
only being unwilling, but, thanks to the "PC" school system,
most folks are UNABLE to do this these days.
In any case, it is a challenge and one should NEVER
accept the first version of the truth one gets.

"I saw it on the Internet. It -must- be true." bseg


Mulder's mentor was right...trust no one.

Yes, the Truth IS out there.


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In article , Larry Jaques says...
ne gets.

"I saw it on the Internet. It -must- be true." bseg

Or on the local level, the "Cites?"

Jim


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On 17 Nov 2005 10:35:27 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, jim rozen
quickly quoth:

In article , Larry Jaques says...
ne gets.

"I saw it on the Internet. It -must- be true." bseg

Or on the local level, the "Cites?"

?



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In article , Larry Jaques says...

[1] "I saw it on the Internet. It -must- be true." bseg

Or on the local level, the "Cites?"

?

You know what I'm talking about. The 'cite wars' where
any position can be 'justified' by pulling a URL out of
your hat to some whacko web site that supports whatever
position is being pumped up.

The more links, the more it has to be true, right?

Basically a restatement of proposition [1] above....

"I saw the sun come up this morning."

"You got a cite for that??"

Jim


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It happens all the time now ,heck the schools don't even teach state
history ,they just go into national and world history and they never
teach the cause and effect of anything in history you get to college and
then you find out some of the stuff you learned is either prettied up or
has alot of inaccuracies ,I wonder how many people in here ever heard of
the whiskey rebellion in western PA ,how bout the time in Tennessee
right after WW2 in this one town the veterans returned home didn't like
the way their town was so corrupted and being ran into the ground that
they got together and took siege of the town by taking up arms and they
succeeded in getting the current government removed ,look it up if you
can find it my brother showed me an old article he had come across one
day on the internet,and finally for right now that washington served as
our first president but at the time there was no time limit originally
so he could actually serve til he dropped dead or willingly stepped down
,congress decided that it was best to limit the time to 4 years to keep
the president from becoming too power hungry and to make him work to
keep his position

On 17 Nov 2005 19:37:04 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, jim rozen
quickly quoth:

In article , Larry Jaques says...

[1] "I saw it on the Internet. It -must- be true." bseg

Or on the local level, the "Cites?"

?
--snip--

"I saw the sun come up this morning."

"You got a cite for that??"

OK, got it. titter

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:14:34 -0500, badaztek wrote:

It happens all the time now ,heck the schools don't even teach state
history ,they just go into national and world history and they never
teach the cause and effect of anything in history you get to college and
then you find out some of the stuff you learned is either prettied up or
has alot of inaccuracies ,I wonder how many people in here ever heard of
the whiskey rebellion in western PA ,how bout the time in Tennessee
right after WW2 in this one town the veterans returned home didn't like
the way their town was so corrupted and being ran into the ground that
they got together and took siege of the town by taking up arms and they
succeeded in getting the current government removed ,look it up if you
can find it my brother showed me an old article he had come across one
day on the internet,and finally for right now that washington served as
our first president but at the time there was no time limit originally
so he could actually serve til he dropped dead or willingly stepped down
,congress decided that it was best to limit the time to 4 years to keep
the president from becoming too power hungry and to make him work to
keep his position

Not to upset the poster, but this has to be the longest sentence I've
ever read!

Rastus wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:14:34 -0500, badaztek wrote:


It happens all the time now ,heck the schools don't even teach state
history ,they just go into national and world history and they never
teach the cause and effect of anything in history you get to college and
then you find out some of the stuff you learned is either prettied up or
has alot of inaccuracies ,I wonder how many people in here ever heard of
the whiskey rebellion in western PA ,how bout the time in Tennessee
right after WW2 in this one town the veterans returned home didn't like
the way their town was so corrupted and being ran into the ground that
they got together and took siege of the town by taking up arms and they
succeeded in getting the current government removed ,look it up if you
can find it my brother showed me an old article he had come across one
day on the internet,and finally for right now that washington served as
our first president but at the time there was no time limit originally
so he could actually serve til he dropped dead or willingly stepped down
,congress decided that it was best to limit the time to 4 years to keep
the president from becoming too power hungry and to make him work to
keep his position


Not to upset the poster, but this has to be the longest sentence I've
ever read!

Maybe the poster is European and the commas represent periods. :-)
(to borrow a bit of thread from another) :-)
...lew...