On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:17:00 -0700, the opaque "Harold and Susan
Vordos" clearly wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
So Harold, from what orifice do you get your grease? ...or do we NOT want
to know.

Chuckle! Generally, the one at the top of the can. You know, the
can-------- the one with grease in it.

I hope you keep separate cans: 1 spotlessly clean one for bearings and
1 for OTHER use.


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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:24:56 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:51:25 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

The best way is to use what God gave you, a booger, to temporarily hold
the
screw to the driver. (sorry, but it works)

I use ear wax. Dig deep, make a circular motion and withdraw and the
screwdriver has a fair temporay screw glue, without the hairs found in
the usual booger.

Gunner

Stupid me! I use grease.

Harold

And Ill bet you pay for it too. Right? And here I was thinking you
were frugal.



Gunner

"Greg Postma" wrote in message
...
Tom Gardner wrote:
The best way is to use what God gave you, a booger, to temporarily hold
the
screw to the driver. (sorry, but it works)


Tom, Remind me to never borrow your screwdriver


Greg

It's snot as bad as it sounds ...

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:25:57 -0700, the opaque "Harold and Susan
Vordos" clearly wrote:


"Grady" wrote in message
news:XxmQe.9295$Sj1.4046@okepread04...
Yes, but we called it an Oh Jesus spring. Everytime you took it apart
and
the spring would let loose to who knows where, you would mutter under
your
breath Oh Jesus!

Yep! Jesus clip, Jesus spring, Jesus ball.

I have a Jesus Clip Holder I bought from the Mac man many moons ago.
It's for those little clips holding the actuating rods onto the
brackets and throttles on those old things called "carburetors".

Silly me, I use a new tip in my magnetic screwdriver when screws
fall off. The new tip grasps brass screws well when a magnet won't.



Actually, along those lines, something that works fairly well is to
use a 1 gallon ziplock bag to take things apart -- you can see what
you are doing but much less chance of it escaping (or any other clear
plastic bag you can find).

mikey

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:17:00 -0700, the opaque "Harold and Susan
Vordos" clearly wrote:

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
So Harold, from what orifice do you get your grease? ...or do we NOT
want
to know.

Chuckle! Generally, the one at the top of the can. You know, the
can-------- the one with grease in it.

I hope you keep separate cans: 1 spotlessly clean one for bearings and
1 for OTHER use.


OR------work with clean hands.

Harold

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:24:56 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:51:25 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

The best way is to use what God gave you, a booger, to temporarily
hold
the
screw to the driver. (sorry, but it works)

I use ear wax. Dig deep, make a circular motion and withdraw and the
screwdriver has a fair temporay screw glue, without the hairs found in
the usual booger.

Gunner

Stupid me! I use grease.

Harold

And Ill bet you pay for it too. Right? And here I was thinking you
were frugal.



Gunner


Not always. A gun and mask and a quick withdrawal from my local auto parts
store seems to work! g

Harold

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:40:44 -0700, the opaque "Harold and Susan
Vordos" clearly wrote:

I hope you keep separate cans: 1 spotlessly clean one for bearings and
1 for OTHER use.

OR------work with clean hands.

Ha! You IDEALIST, you.

I found that a squeezable tube of grease works well for those OTHER
uses.

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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:41:48 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:24:56 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:51:25 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

The best way is to use what God gave you, a booger, to temporarily
hold
the
screw to the driver. (sorry, but it works)

I use ear wax. Dig deep, make a circular motion and withdraw and the
screwdriver has a fair temporay screw glue, without the hairs found in
the usual booger.

Gunner

Stupid me! I use grease.

Harold

And Ill bet you pay for it too. Right? And here I was thinking you
were frugal.



Gunner


Not always. A gun and mask and a quick withdrawal from my local auto parts
store seems to work! g

Harold

Hurry it up! Mobile 1 or your life!

Gunner

Placing your head on the floor, sideways, works well, too. The smallest
object stands out, and adding light could only help.

Harold

Placing my head sideways on the floor usually just leads to a nap:}

--
Peter DiVergilio
Most of the money I've wasted was mostly spent trying to impress people who
were never going to like me anyway!

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:40:44 -0700, the opaque "Harold and Susan
Vordos" clearly wrote:

I hope you keep separate cans: 1 spotlessly clean one for bearings and
1 for OTHER use.

OR------work with clean hands.

Ha! You IDEALIST, you.

I found that a squeezable tube of grease works well for those OTHER
uses.

--
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We talkin' 'bout KYJelly, here??? G
Ken.
I'm in shape -- round's a shape isn't it?

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:12:17 GMT, the opaque Ken Sterling (Ken
Sterling) clearly wrote:

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:40:44 -0700, the opaque "Harold and Susan
Vordos" clearly wrote:

I hope you keep separate cans: 1 spotlessly clean one for bearings and
1 for OTHER use.

OR------work with clean hands.

Ha! You IDEALIST, you.

I found that a squeezable tube of grease works well for those OTHER
uses.

We talkin' 'bout KYJelly, here??? G
Ken.

Oops, sorry. "...for those other -shop- uses."

BTW, KY is a lube, not a grease. If you don't believe there's a
difference, roll up your sleeves and bend over. Do you want regular
or Ethyl?

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Once you get used to those little ones, a 1206 (1/8" long) seems like a
cinder block. When I'm laying out & routing the board I zoom in about
10X, which magnifies the parts to about the size of the proverbial
postage stamp, The boards I just finished soldering are half the size
of a stamp.

Helpful hints: Wear an Optivisor with the #3 lens for soldering and the
flip-down round lens for inspection, use .015" rosin-core solder if
allowed, pull fine sandpaper between the tweezer tips to make them
parallel. IC leads can be checked by dragging a needle down them and
listening for the off-pitch sound of the needle hitting an unsoldered
pin.

JW, who has had to splice IC bonding wires with silver epoxy.

wrote:
Once you get used to those little ones, a 1206 (1/8" long) seems like a
cinder block. When I'm laying out & routing the board I zoom in about
10X, which magnifies the parts to about the size of the proverbial
postage stamp, The boards I just finished soldering are half the size
of a stamp.

Helpful hints: Wear an Optivisor with the #3 lens for soldering and the
flip-down round lens for inspection, use .015" rosin-core solder if
allowed, pull fine sandpaper between the tweezer tips to make them
parallel. IC leads can be checked by dragging a needle down them and
listening for the off-pitch sound of the needle hitting an unsoldered
pin.

Even easier:

1. Apply water-soluble flux to board
2. Lay down a thin layer of solder to all pads
3. Clean board and apply another coat of flux
4. Lay down part on top of pads and hit with hot air
5. Clean board

I regularly do 200+ pin ICs this way, for repairs
and prototypes. The only trick is aligning the part
to the board before you get a couple of pins tacked down.

JW, who has had to splice IC bonding wires with silver epoxy.

Never been there, never want to be...

"Gunner" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:41:48 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:24:56 -0700, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:51:25 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

The best way is to use what God gave you, a booger, to temporarily
hold
the
screw to the driver. (sorry, but it works)

I use ear wax. Dig deep, make a circular motion and withdraw and
the
screwdriver has a fair temporay screw glue, without the hairs found
in
the usual booger.

Gunner

Stupid me! I use grease.

Harold

And Ill bet you pay for it too. Right? And here I was thinking you
were frugal.



Gunner


Not always. A gun and mask and a quick withdrawal from my local auto
parts
store seems to work! g

Harold

Hurry it up! Mobile 1 or your life!

Gunner


You got it!

Harold

"Peter DiVergilio" wrote in message
...

Placing your head on the floor, sideways, works well, too. The
smallest
object stands out, and adding light could only help.

Harold

Placing my head sideways on the floor usually just leads to a nap:}

--
Peter DiVergilio


I've found a few of those in the process, too. Didn't lose any of them, but
I was happy to have found them.

Harold

1. Apply water-soluble flux to board ...

That does work very well in general, but I frequently have to mix tiny
discretes with prototype or custom power modules that require enough
heat to toast the stuff around them, and the available hot air guides
never match the footprint. For those cases where the hot air tools fail
I grind diagonal cutters to a very narrow point that will cut
individual leads (these are .010 wide on .020 or 0.5mm centers) and
snip the bad part loose. The cutters are easy to resharpen if the edge
is ground away except for about 1/8" at the tip. To sharpen them just
sand the rounded bottom surface on a belt sander.

jw

Finally, the voice of reason in this stringed out thread! So far, Bob is
the only responder that suggests black holes and alternate universes -- and
he is quite close. Actually, there is a little critter that dwells under
workbenches and all other low furniture types. Known as a "yahootie", the
varmit reaches out and grabs whatever strikes the floor and pulls it under
his lair or sometimes throws it under something across the room.

Bob Swinney
"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message
...
We used to call it the "sproing coefficient". As in "Be careful taking
that thing apart, it has a very high sproing coefficient." Many complex
mechanical assemblies have a high sproing coefficient. As some time
during disassembly, there is a "sproiiiiiing" sound and irreplacable small
parts depart into the black holes scattered around the workshop that lead
to alternate universes.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Ernie Leimkuhler" wrote in message
...
snip
At gunsmithing school we referred to that as "springout".
You are working on a gun, remove a major section, and all you hear is
the teensy sound of a tiny spring bouncing off the wall somewhere behind
you.

Marlin rifles always did that.
Damn those things are hard to find.

--
"I love deadlines, especially the wooshing sound they make as
they fly by" - Douglas Adams

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:02:32 -0700, "william_b_noble"
wrote:

actually, what you need is a highly motivated shop assistant whose only
desire is to clean up after you and put everything back in the exact place
where you will look for it (regardless whether that location makes any sense
or not), and who is never injured by flying metal, and is immune to cursing


I'll start looking immediately :-)

Mark Rand
RTFM

I seem to recall that Einstein was one of the first to yell that out when
the lights turned on! Yahoooooooo

Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Robert Swinney wrote:
Finally, the voice of reason in this stringed out thread! So far, Bob is
the only responder that suggests black holes and alternate universes -- and
he is quite close. Actually, there is a little critter that dwells under
workbenches and all other low furniture types. Known as a "yahootie", the
varmit reaches out and grabs whatever strikes the floor and pulls it under
his lair or sometimes throws it under something across the room.

Bob Swinney
"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message
...

We used to call it the "sproing coefficient". As in "Be careful taking
that thing apart, it has a very high sproing coefficient." Many complex
mechanical assemblies have a high sproing coefficient. As some time
during disassembly, there is a "sproiiiiiing" sound and irreplacable small
parts depart into the black holes scattered around the workshop that lead
to alternate universes.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Ernie Leimkuhler" wrote in message
...
snip

At gunsmithing school we referred to that as "springout".
You are working on a gun, remove a major section, and all you hear is
the teensy sound of a tiny spring bouncing off the wall somewhere behind
you.

Marlin rifles always did that.
Damn those things are hard to find.

--
"I love deadlines, especially the wooshing sound they make as
they fly by" - Douglas Adams





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I seem to recall that Einstein was one of the first to yell that out when
the lights turned on! Yahoooooooo

Martin
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Robert Swinney wrote:
Finally, the voice of reason in this stringed out thread! So far, Bob is
the only responder that suggests black holes and alternate universes -- and
he is quite close. Actually, there is a little critter that dwells under
workbenches and all other low furniture types. Known as a "yahootie", the
varmit reaches out and grabs whatever strikes the floor and pulls it under
his lair or sometimes throws it under something across the room.

Bob Swinney
"Bob Chilcoat" wrote in message
...

We used to call it the "sproing coefficient". As in "Be careful taking
that thing apart, it has a very high sproing coefficient." Many complex
mechanical assemblies have a high sproing coefficient. As some time
during disassembly, there is a "sproiiiiiing" sound and irreplacable small
parts depart into the black holes scattered around the workshop that lead
to alternate universes.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Ernie Leimkuhler" wrote in message
...
snip

At gunsmithing school we referred to that as "springout".
You are working on a gun, remove a major section, and all you hear is
the teensy sound of a tiny spring bouncing off the wall somewhere behind
you.

Marlin rifles always did that.
Damn those things are hard to find.

--
"I love deadlines, especially the wooshing sound they make as
they fly by" - Douglas Adams





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...... and all this time I thought it was *Edison*.....???
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