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Inventor has a sprinkler interconnected to burglar sensors so burglar
gets wet. Apparently burglars do not like to get soaked by a sprinkler
so they go somewhere else. Sounds interesting, no worries about false
alarms.

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In article ,
Nick Hull wrote:

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_ron_col_0811.html

Inventor has a sprinkler interconnected to burglar sensors so burglar
gets wet. Apparently burglars do not like to get soaked by a sprinkler
so they go somewhere else. Sounds interesting, no worries about false
alarms.

I saw in a catalog somewhere an IR-triggered waterjet intended to keep
deer and other animals away from the shrubbery. Same idea, but
outdoors, with less precision. Seemed like something one could easily
cobble together from an IR motion detector (usually used to turn lights
on) and an electrically controlled valve controlling an ordinary lawn
sprinkler.

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
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In article ,
Nick Hull wrote:


http://www.palmbeachpost.com/accent/...2005/08/11/a1e
_ron_col_0811.html

Inventor has a sprinkler interconnected to burglar sensors so burglar
gets wet. Apparently burglars do not like to get soaked by a sprinkler
so they go somewhere else. Sounds interesting, no worries about false
alarms.

I saw in a catalog somewhere an IR-triggered waterjet intended to keep
deer and other animals away from the shrubbery. Same idea, but
outdoors, with less precision. Seemed like something one could easily
cobble together from an IR motion detector (usually used to turn lights
on) and an electrically controlled valve controlling an ordinary lawn
sprinkler.

Works fine at night when it is cool. Passive IR sensors (your typical
"motion sensor" are blind during the day when it is warm and the
bodies are warm. And yes, many burglaries occur during the middle
of the day. You could run some IR beams around via sender/receivers
so they break the beam when they go through it -- that works any
time, but is more difficult to build (like the door entry things in many
stores).

mikey

There is a product thats been around for some years now that sprays the
intruder with a fine mist that they may not even notice. The fluid is
tailored to each site and leaves an identifier that is detectable many
months later and resists washing off so if the cops get the person they
can prove they were on the premises. I think it was a UV flourescing
marker.

Nick Hull wrote:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/accent/...2005/08/11/a1e
_ron_col_0811.html

Inventor has a sprinkler interconnected to burglar sensors so burglar
gets wet. Apparently burglars do not like to get soaked by a sprinkler
so they go somewhere else. Sounds interesting, no worries about false
alarms.

"Ignoramus19325" wrote in message
news
would work fine around shrubbery, not so well around expensive machines
that would be damaged by water...

i


Chuckle! I can see it all now. "Gee, Martha, that sprinkler sure worked
great. The burglar didn't get away with our high end stereo system. Now
all we have to do is get it, and the room, dry. But we still have it!"

What's worse? Losing it, or having it destroyed by water?

Harold

In article , Joseph
Gwinn says...

I saw in a catalog somewhere an IR-triggered waterjet intended to keep
deer and other animals away from the shrubbery. Same idea, but
outdoors, with less precision.

Well that's gotta be a dumb idea. The deer around here would *flock*
to a setup like that.

"Such great food, and a bath to clean off in when you're done!"

:^)

Jim


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"Nick Hull" wrote in message
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| Inventor has a sprinkler interconnected to burglar sensors so burglar
| gets wet. Apparently burglars do not like to get soaked by a sprinkler
| so they go somewhere else. Sounds interesting, no worries about false
| alarms.
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I just had an idea, so perhaps someone can tell me how technically
feasible this is. The monitoring cameras about the shop are connected to
the web. The user gets a message on his cell phone that tells him that the
alarm has been tripped. His cell phone can go to the web and download the
images from the cameras, and make the decision about what to do. He can
also activate certain countermeasures in the areas and places he deems
appropriate. While the proper authorities are strolling over to respond,
the owner is more aware of the situation than them and can warn the police
that if he gets there first he starts shooting, so it's up to them to decide
if they wanted to summon an ambulance or not. This tends to speed the cops
up, regardless of how capable you are of carrying out that bluff.

There was this story I recall a long time ago about some homeowner than
had someone constantly breaking into his shed, despite repeated calls to the
cops. The cops were never in hurry every time, so eventually the homeowner
called back a minute after the initial call to state "Never mind, I shot him
myself." The cops showed up in a flash and caught the guy. They weren't at
all happy with his statement, but completely understood his reasoning.

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"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote:

"Ignoramus19325" wrote in message
news
would work fine around shrubbery, not so well around expensive machines
that would be damaged by water...

i


Chuckle! I can see it all now. "Gee, Martha, that sprinkler sure worked
great. The burglar didn't get away with our high end stereo system. Now
all we have to do is get it, and the room, dry. But we still have it!"

What's worse? Losing it, or having it destroyed by water?

Makes more sense to put the water sprinkler OUTSIDE so the crook gets
sprayed while he is still outside trying to break in.

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In article ,
jim rozen wrote:

In article , Joseph
Gwinn says...

I saw in a catalog somewhere an IR-triggered waterjet intended to keep
deer and other animals away from the shrubbery. Same idea, but
outdoors, with less precision.

Well that's gotta be a dumb idea. The deer around here would *flock*
to a setup like that.

"Such great food, and a bath to clean off in when you're done!"

In fact, it does scare the der off. Deer are very jumpy and ANYTHING
will scare them off.

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How about the internet controlled hunting site that lets users actually
shoot a critter?

"carl mciver" wrote in message
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"Nick Hull" wrote in message
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|
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/accent/...2005/08/11/a1e
| _ron_col_0811.html
|
| Inventor has a sprinkler interconnected to burglar sensors so burglar
| gets wet. Apparently burglars do not like to get soaked by a sprinkler
| so they go somewhere else. Sounds interesting, no worries about false
| alarms.
|
| --
| Free men own guns, slaves don't
| www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

I just had an idea, so perhaps someone can tell me how technically
feasible this is. The monitoring cameras about the shop are connected to
the web. The user gets a message on his cell phone that tells him that
the
alarm has been tripped. His cell phone can go to the web and download the
images from the cameras, and make the decision about what to do. He can
also activate certain countermeasures in the areas and places he deems
appropriate. While the proper authorities are strolling over to respond,
the owner is more aware of the situation than them and can warn the police
that if he gets there first he starts shooting, so it's up to them to
decide
if they wanted to summon an ambulance or not. This tends to speed the
cops
up, regardless of how capable you are of carrying out that bluff.

There was this story I recall a long time ago about some homeowner than
had someone constantly breaking into his shed, despite repeated calls to
the
cops. The cops were never in hurry every time, so eventually the
homeowner
called back a minute after the initial call to state "Never mind, I shot
him
myself." The cops showed up in a flash and caught the guy. They weren't
at
all happy with his statement, but completely understood his reasoning.

In article et, carl mciver
says...

There was this story I recall a long time ago about some homeowner than
had someone constantly breaking into his shed, despite repeated calls to the
cops. The cops were never in hurry every time, so eventually the homeowner
called back a minute after the initial call to state "Never mind, I shot him
myself." The cops showed up in a flash and caught the guy. They weren't at
all happy with his statement, but completely understood his reasoning.

IIRC this story had the guy calling the cops, and they replied they
had no officers in the area and it would take hours to get there.

When they showed up, he expressed suprise that they really *did*
have somebody there.

This tale was supposed to have happened in the UK someplace I think.

Jim


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Spray 'em down with rat sex pheromones!

"Nick Hull" wrote in message
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_ron_col_0811.html

Inventor has a sprinkler interconnected to burglar sensors so burglar
gets wet. Apparently burglars do not like to get soaked by a sprinkler
so they go somewhere else. Sounds interesting, no worries about false
alarms.

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:57:31 GMT, Tom Gardner wrote:
How about the internet controlled hunting site that lets users actually
shoot a critter?

You mean the joke that people took seriously and which never existed,
that one?

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:57:31 GMT, Tom Gardner wrote:
How about the internet controlled hunting site that lets users actually
shoot a critter?

You mean the joke that people took seriously and which never existed,
that one?



Shucks! But yea, like that. I've been looking at DVR intruder systems and
it isn't a big stretch. I bet a shotgun would be easy, a rifle would take
more work.

carl mciver wrote: ...
The monitoring cameras about the shop are connected to
the web. The user gets a message on his cell phone that tells him that the
alarm has been tripped. His cell phone can go to the web and download the
images from the cameras, ...

My web cam, which I hardly used, has a detector mode. You focus it on
an area. If the picture changes it detects it and can send you email
with a picture attached. I thought that was cool, but never used it.
Bob

I doubt if this idea would prevent your problems, but it would not cost
much and might save its cost. Harbor freight sells an air horn for
cars for not much money. Less than $20 including shipping. It ought
to have pretty much everything needed to hook it into your burgler
alarm system. Might be even more effective if plumbed into your
compressed air system. Add a water sprinkler system and flood lights
at all the possible exits, and they might decide there were better
places to burgle. If you do add flood lights and sprinklers, make sure
they are not easily disabled prior to entering the building.

You don't have to be burgle proof, just less desireable than other
places.

Dan




Ignoramus19325 wrote:
would work fine around shrubbery, not so well around expensive machines
that would be damaged by water...

Nick Hull wrote:
Makes more sense to put the water sprinkler OUTSIDE so the crook
gets sprayed while he is still outside trying to break in.

Rig up a water balloon cannon.
Fire a volley of H2O projectiles
at the crooks. When they throw rocks
in defense, sue their asses off.


Lump

Tom Gardner wrote:
... I bet a shotgun would be
easy, a rifle would take more work.

How about a shotgun that LOOKS like it's
set to blast the intruders. Doesn't have
to really be loaded. Surely the machine
experts here could devise an ominous
looking trip/trigger device. Crook
walks in, faces a 12ga with wires
and levers connected to the trigger.


Lump

I like the way you think!

"Lumpy" wrote in message
...
Tom Gardner wrote:
... I bet a shotgun would be
easy, a rifle would take more work.

How about a shotgun that LOOKS like it's
set to blast the intruders. Doesn't have
to really be loaded. Surely the machine
experts here could devise an ominous
looking trip/trigger device. Crook
walks in, faces a 12ga with wires
and levers connected to the trigger.


Lump

wrote in message
ups.com...
| I doubt if this idea would prevent your problems, but it would not cost
| much and might save its cost. Harbor freight sells an air horn for
| cars for not much money. Less than $20 including shipping. It ought
| to have pretty much everything needed to hook it into your burgler
| alarm system. Might be even more effective if plumbed into your
| compressed air system. Add a water sprinkler system and flood lights
| at all the possible exits, and they might decide there were better
| places to burgle. If you do add flood lights and sprinklers, make sure
| they are not easily disabled prior to entering the building.
|
| You don't have to be burgle proof, just less desireable than other
| places.
|
| Dan
|

I remember some web site years ago about some folks whose hobbies
consisted of restoring old air raid sirens. They went into a great amount
of detail discussing the rebuild of one powered by a Chrysler V8. I bet
that sumbitch was loud!

I don't think they's sue you, or even come back, if you blew out their
eardrums!

In article ,
"Lumpy" wrote:

Tom Gardner wrote:
... I bet a shotgun would be
easy, a rifle would take more work.

How about a shotgun that LOOKS like it's
set to blast the intruders. Doesn't have
to really be loaded. Surely the machine
experts here could devise an ominous
looking trip/trigger device. Crook
walks in, faces a 12ga with wires
and levers connected to the trigger.

I used something similiar to protect my lobster traps. The device has a
float switch, a battery, some wires going into a pipe with 2 end caps.
When someone pulled the float to get a free lobster, they realized it
was a bomb that malfunctioned. Lobster thefts were down that year in
all nearby traps.

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