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ISO car museum jackstands
In the warehouse where I office during the day, my boss has a collection
of about 55 collector cars. All but a few of them never move, except down. At any given time 1/3 of them have a flat tire. So we want to get the weight off the tires. We looked at jackstands, including the nice sleek ones that are coming out. But those are a bit expensive when you are looking at 200 or so. I know that car museums use a more specialized stand that just supports the weight at the ball joint, with the tire touching the ground in it's normal position. That's what we really need. Is there a source for those, or are they custom-made? Alternately is there anyone in the DFW area who would like to bid on 200 simple stands ? All we really need is a 6" steel plate with a 12" pice of heavy-wall 2" square tubing welded to the center. We can cut them to fit the individual cars with a chopsaw. Other suggestions welcome -- - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX |
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Rex B wrote: In the warehouse where I office during the day, my boss has a collection of about 55 collector cars. All but a few of them never move, except down. At any given time 1/3 of them have a flat tire. So we want to get the weight off the tires. We looked at jackstands, including the nice sleek ones that are coming out. But those are a bit expensive when you are looking at 200 or so. I know that car museums use a more specialized stand that just supports the weight at the ball joint, with the tire touching the ground in it's normal position. That's what we really need. Is there a source for those, or are they custom-made? Alternately is there anyone in the DFW area who would like to bid on 200 simple stands ? All we really need is a 6" steel plate with a 12" pice of heavy-wall 2" square tubing welded to the center. We can cut them to fit the individual cars with a chopsaw. Other suggestions welcome -- - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX 15 bucks each John |
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Rex: Try using sections of 4x4 or 6x6 set so that the grain is vertical. Craig C. |
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Good idea. Someone else suggested lengths of exhaust tubing
- - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX wrote: Rex: Try using sections of 4x4 or 6x6 set so that the grain is vertical. Craig C. |
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Old wheel rims from a salvage yard with 3" pipe risers welded and cut
to fit the axles on the display cars. CHeap to make and they work great. Bugs |
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Bugs wrote:
Old wheel rims from a salvage yard with 3" pipe risers Do the jacks realy have to be ugly? Or is this the Luginbuehl-Museum? Nick -- Motormodelle / Engine Models: http://www.motor-manufaktur.de Ellwe 2FB * VTM 87 * DLM-S3a * cubic more to come ... |
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Right now I'm leaning toward 3" exhaust tubing, cut to length.
- - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX Nick Müller wrote: Bugs wrote: Old wheel rims from a salvage yard with 3" pipe risers Do the jacks realy have to be ugly? Or is this the Luginbuehl-Museum? Nick |
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I'd be worrying about tipping over. You have a height of say 9" on a
base of 3", it takes very little effort to tip it over. Not to mention the exhaust tube cutting into the floor. Rex B wrote: Right now I'm leaning toward 3" exhaust tubing, cut to length. - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX Nick Müller wrote: Bugs wrote: Old wheel rims from a salvage yard with 3" pipe risers Do the jacks realy have to be ugly? Or is this the Luginbuehl-Museum? Nick |
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He wants the tires on the ground, but with most of the weight on the
stands. As long as there's some weight on the tires it might me pretty hard to knock them off. I would probably try one or two and see if I could knock them off first. Worst case, the tires are already on the ground and any corner with a flat drops a few inches. If this is just a warehouse and not open to the public, it doesn't sound too bad... This warehouse doesn't have vinyl tiles or anything does it? |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:15:15 GMT, RoyJ wrote:
I'd be worrying about tipping over. You have a height of say 9" on a base of 3", it takes very little effort to tip it over. Not to mention the exhaust tube cutting into the floor. Rex B wrote: Right now I'm leaning toward 3" exhaust tubing, cut to length. - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX Nick Müller wrote: Bugs wrote: Old wheel rims from a salvage yard with 3" pipe risers Do the jacks realy have to be ugly? Or is this the Luginbuehl-Museum? Nick How about 6" or 8" sonotube filled with concrete. Maybe cut a wood or mdf circle and set in the bottom when casting the concrete, then turn the other way up so that the car axles are protected. Mark Rand RTFM |
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:46:58 +0100, Mark Rand wrote:
How about 6" or 8" sonotube filled with concrete. Maybe cut a wood or mdf circle and set in the bottom when casting the concrete, then turn the other way up so that the car axles are protected. I'd be concerned about water-friendly material in contact with a car for long periods of time. |
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Here's the plan:
1 Inflate tires to 50 lbs 2 Accurately Measure floor to support point on suspension, close to wheel, preferably ball joint. 3 Cut tubing to size, place under support points 4 Reduce air pressure to normal, bringing majority of weight onto tubing. By doing this most of the weight should be borne by the tubing. The contact patch of the tires will add stability. Worst case, if the car rolls off the stands, the "drop" might be 1/2 inch, unless all the tires are flat. As for the floor, it's an old concrete warehouse floor. We are going to try a few today. I'll let you know how it turns out. - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX RoyJ wrote: I'd be worrying about tipping over. You have a height of say 9" on a base of 3", it takes very little effort to tip it over. Not to mention the exhaust tube cutting into the floor. Rex B wrote: Right now I'm leaning toward 3" exhaust tubing, cut to length. - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX Nick Müller wrote: Bugs wrote: Old wheel rims from a salvage yard with 3" pipe risers Do the jacks realy have to be ugly? Or is this the Luginbuehl-Museum? Nick |
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Larry Fishel wrote:
He wants the tires on the ground, but with most of the weight on the stands. As long as there's some weight on the tires it might me pretty hard to knock them off. I would probably try one or two and see if I could knock them off first. Worst case, the tires are already on the ground and any corner with a flat drops a few inches. If this is just a warehouse and not open to the public, it doesn't sound too bad... This warehouse doesn't have vinyl tiles or anything does it? Exactly our thinking, Larry. No, this isn't open to the public. Probably an average of 20 people per week, typically customers, vendor reps, or friends of employees. |
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Mark Rand wrote:
How about 6" or 8" sonotube filled with concrete. Maybe cut a wood or mdf circle and set in the bottom when casting the concrete, then turn the other way up so that the car axles are protected. Mark Rand Mark For the fronts, I probably won't want anything over 3". I need them to bear on the A-frame (where so equipped) and be as unobtrusive as possible. On a solid rear axle a 6" might work. Rex |
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In article , Rex B
wrote: Other suggestions welcome Fill the tires up with water and a little antifreeze to stop rust. A foot-operated bicycle pump from Wal-Mart submerged in a trough of water works OK for pumping water into tires, though it's slow going. -- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/ |
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Now that's something I haven't thought of.
Don't think the boss would buy into it though. - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX B.B. wrote: In article , Rex B wrote: Other suggestions welcome Fill the tires up with water and a little antifreeze to stop rust. A foot-operated bicycle pump from Wal-Mart submerged in a trough of water works OK for pumping water into tires, though it's slow going. |
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6x10 pine, had some left over from my barn building some years back, a
12 inch piece is a dandy jackstand, soft so it won't mar anything, and a real 6 inches[sawmill cut] will hold the balljoint of most things. If not a suitable spacer[related to the suitable drift] and then mark them with a sharpie as to which car they belong to. Wood won't scratch or dent things as badly as steel when some bozo flings it about, won't nick the paint on the way in or out punch a big hole and pass a chunk of that big yellow poly rope through it with a knot on each end and you don't have to be under the car to remove[like wheel chocks] |
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these are going to be semipermanent.
I thought about wooden blocks but I would prefer something less bulky, for aesthetic reasons. - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX yourname wrote: 6x10 pine, had some left over from my barn building some years back, a 12 inch piece is a dandy jackstand, soft so it won't mar anything, and a real 6 inches[sawmill cut] will hold the balljoint of most things. If not a suitable spacer[related to the suitable drift] and then mark them with a sharpie as to which car they belong to. Wood won't scratch or dent things as badly as steel when some bozo flings it about, won't nick the paint on the way in or out punch a big hole and pass a chunk of that big yellow poly rope through it with a knot on each end and you don't have to be under the car to remove[like wheel chocks] |
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Rex I may have missed something. Have you rejected the $26.00 for four aluminum jack stands from Harbor Freight? It seems that the aluminum stands would have an intrinsic value, so they could be sold whenever they are not needed. And, at $6.50 each, the aluminum stands seem quite affordable. Jerry "Rex B" wrote in message ... these are going to be semipermanent. I thought about wooden blocks but I would prefer something less bulky, for aesthetic reasons. - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX yourname wrote: 6x10 pine, had some left over from my barn building some years back, a 12 inch piece is a dandy jackstand, soft so it won't mar anything, and a real 6 inches[sawmill cut] will hold the balljoint of most things. If not a suitable spacer[related to the suitable drift] and then mark them with a sharpie as to which car they belong to. Wood won't scratch or dent things as badly as steel when some bozo flings it about, won't nick the paint on the way in or out punch a big hole and pass a chunk of that big yellow poly rope through it with a knot on each end and you don't have to be under the car to remove[like wheel chocks] |
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Jerry, I have not seen that particular deal.
But we did look at Jackstands initially, as that's the normal solution. But conventional jackstands have 2 problems: 1 - The pyramical base keeps you from placing it far enough outboard in some cases. 2 - The adjustment is too coarse. If one of the notches happens to be correct, you are extremely lucky There is a showier style of stand that would work, but these cost us at least $14 at distributor cost, buying 200 at a time. That's the stands tat come with this package: http://ai.pricegrabber.com/product_i...180593_125.jpg But I have not found the 4-pc Al set for $26.00. Would you have a HF part number, or a link? - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX Jerry Martes wrote: Rex I may have missed something. Have you rejected the $26.00 for four aluminum jack stands from Harbor Freight? It seems that the aluminum stands would have an intrinsic value, so they could be sold whenever they are not needed. And, at $6.50 each, the aluminum stands seem quite affordable. Jerry "Rex B" wrote in message ... these are going to be semipermanent. I thought about wooden blocks but I would prefer something less bulky, for aesthetic reasons. - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX yourname wrote: 6x10 pine, had some left over from my barn building some years back, a 12 inch piece is a dandy jackstand, soft so it won't mar anything, and a real 6 inches[sawmill cut] will hold the balljoint of most things. If not a suitable spacer[related to the suitable drift] and then mark them with a sharpie as to which car they belong to. Wood won't scratch or dent things as badly as steel when some bozo flings it about, won't nick the paint on the way in or out punch a big hole and pass a chunk of that big yellow poly rope through it with a knot on each end and you don't have to be under the car to remove[like wheel chocks] |
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"Rex B" wrote in message
... Jerry, I have not seen that particular deal. But we did look at Jackstands initially, as that's the normal solution. But conventional jackstands have 2 problems: 1 - The pyramical base keeps you from placing it far enough outboard in some cases. 2 - The adjustment is too coarse. If one of the notches happens to be correct, you are extremely lucky There is a showier style of stand that would work, but these cost us at least $14 at distributor cost, buying 200 at a time. That's the stands tat come with this package: http://ai.pricegrabber.com/product_i...180593_125.jpg But I have not found the 4-pc Al set for $26.00. Would you have a HF part number, or a link? - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX How about these: http://www.campingworld.com/browse/p...33&prodID=1714 Description Olympian Aluminum Stacker Jacks safely stabilize your trailer or pop-up. Aluminum Stacker Jacks have a max. capacity of 8,000 lbs. each. Screw extends height 11" to 17". Heavy-duty, non-corrosive cast aluminum base. Permanent handle can't get lost. Set of two. Mfr. one year warranty. Aluminum Stacker Jacks, set of 2 Club Price $17.99 Reg $19.99 Aluminum Stacker Jacks, set of 4 Club Price $33.29 Reg $36.99 |
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RAM^3 wrote:
How about these: http://www.campingworld.com/browse/p...33&prodID=1714 Description Olympian Aluminum Stacker Jacks safely stabilize your trailer or pop-up. Aluminum Stacker Jacks have a max. capacity of 8,000 lbs. each. Screw extends height 11" to 17". Heavy-duty, non-corrosive cast aluminum base. Permanent handle can't get lost. Set of two. Mfr. one year warranty. Aluminum Stacker Jacks, set of 2 Club Price $17.99 Reg $19.99 Aluminum Stacker Jacks, set of 4 Club Price $33.29 Reg $36.99 That does look interesting. I have seen those, may have owned some in the dim past. Still more than the boss would want to pay, but there may be a wholesale source in qty 200. Thanks for the link Rex |
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"Rex B" wrote in message
... RAM^3 wrote: How about these: http://www.campingworld.com/browse/p...33&prodID=1714 Description Olympian Aluminum Stacker Jacks safely stabilize your trailer or pop-up. Aluminum Stacker Jacks have a max. capacity of 8,000 lbs. each. Screw extends height 11" to 17". Heavy-duty, non-corrosive cast aluminum base. Permanent handle can't get lost. Set of two. Mfr. one year warranty. Aluminum Stacker Jacks, set of 2 Club Price $17.99 Reg $19.99 Aluminum Stacker Jacks, set of 4 Club Price $33.29 Reg $36.99 That does look interesting. I have seen those, may have owned some in the dim past. Still more than the boss would want to pay, but there may be a wholesale source in qty 200. Thanks for the link Rex You *may* be able to find these at an RV supply place locally. If so, write down the name/address of the manufacturer/distributor and contact them directly. |
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"RAM^3" wrote in message ... SNIP | | How about these: | http://www.campingworld.com/browse/p...subOf=117,33&p rodID=1714 | | Description | Olympian Aluminum Stacker Jacks safely stabilize your trailer or pop-up. | Aluminum Stacker Jacks have a max. capacity of 8,000 lbs. each. Screw | extends height 11" to 17". Heavy-duty, non-corrosive cast aluminum base. | Permanent handle can't get lost. Set of two. Mfr. one year warranty. | | Aluminum Stacker Jacks, set of 2 | Club Price $17.99 | Reg $19.99 | | Aluminum Stacker Jacks, set of 4 | Club Price $33.29 | Reg $36.99 A buddy of mine just picked up a set of four from JC Whitney. Set of four 6000 pound jacks for $36.49. Item number ZX129333B. Sound just like the ones mentioned. Seeing as how the prices are so close, I bet shipping charges will be the decision maker between the two. |
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