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I don't see any way other than to keep spending money. You're doing
good so far - that lathe is worth a lot more than $500, or would be
in Seattle anyway. I think $300 for that tailstock may be as good as
you will do. You may need to do some work to get it aligned right.
Usually that means shimming between the 2 halves.

Your headstock electronics photo doesn't look to me like it's a
phase converter. I suspect it is a reversing mag switch setup. Is
there a power cord for this machine? How many horsepower is the motor?

Grant

Jeff P wrote:

I've been a lurker on this list for a couple of months, and I just
wanted to send out a little tool gloat... the weekend before last I
bought a Logan Lathe for less than the price of a new 9x20 import
lathe, and it's in great condition! I got it for $500. It's the 14"
7500 series, pictured he http://www.lathe.com/catalogs/7500.htm.
Everything runs smooth and is in excellent condition.

It's bigger than I was originally planing on getting, but I'm not
complaining! It was a fair amount of work to get it in the garage,
too. A friend and I put it up on 4x4 "skids" and used a Harbor Freight
come-along to winch it out of a rented trailer. We used stone-age
technology to haul it out, and it worked great.

I bought the lathe from a friend of Gunner's. Gunner set up the deal,
and I want to say thanks, and also to put in a good word! I wouldn't
hesitate to use Gunner to repair any machine tools I had that were
broken, or to buy tools from him. He was helpful and completely
forthright.

There is one other thing, I have a question about and I was hoping
someone would know.... I need to get a 220 outlet set up in the
garage, and I think I'll need a 3-phase converter. I'll have an
electrician put in the 220 outlet, but I'm not sure what to do about
the 3-phase. The lathe has a big electrical panel on the back with a
circuit breaker and some big transformers. I'm not exactly sure what
it's for. Is it a phase converter, or is it jsut part of the lathe?
Does any one have suggestions as to the best way to go? (I have some
pictures, too. Here's one of the inside of the panel:
http://www.geocities.com/webnrrd2k/classic_tan.html).

The lathe is usable as it is right now, but I would like swap out the
turret for a regular engine lathe type cross-slide and add a
tailstock.

Actually, Gunner lined up a place that has exactly the tailstock I
need, but it's $300. My wife and I have a kid due any day now, and I
blew all my fun-money on the lathe. Any one know of a tailstock or
cross-slide for a Logan 6500 series lathe going cheap? Maybe I'll just
have to wait and see if it turns up on ebay...

Any ways, I just wanted to say thanks again to Gunner, and thanks
again to everyone else who posts to r.c.metalworking!


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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:09:18 -0700, Jeff P wrote:

I've been a lurker on this list for a couple of months, and I just
wanted to send out a little tool gloat... the weekend before last I
bought a Logan Lathe for less than the price of a new 9x20 import
lathe, and it's in great condition! I got it for $500. It's the 14"
7500 series, pictured he http://www.lathe.com/catalogs/7500.htm.
Everything runs smooth and is in excellent condition.

It's bigger than I was originally planing on getting, but I'm not
complaining! It was a fair amount of work to get it in the garage,
too. A friend and I put it up on 4x4 "skids" and used a Harbor Freight
come-along to winch it out of a rented trailer. We used stone-age
technology to haul it out, and it worked great.

I bought the lathe from a friend of Gunner's. Gunner set up the deal,
and I want to say thanks, and also to put in a good word! I wouldn't
hesitate to use Gunner to repair any machine tools I had that were
broken, or to buy tools from him. He was helpful and completely
forthright.

There is one other thing, I have a question about and I was hoping
someone would know.... I need to get a 220 outlet set up in the
garage, and I think I'll need a 3-phase converter. I'll have an
electrician put in the 220 outlet, but I'm not sure what to do about
the 3-phase. The lathe has a big electrical panel on the back with a
circuit breaker and some big transformers. I'm not exactly sure what
it's for. Is it a phase converter, or is it jsut part of the lathe?
Does any one have suggestions as to the best way to go? (I have some
pictures, too. Here's one of the inside of the panel:
http://www.geocities.com/webnrrd2k/classic_tan.html).


Jeff, thats just the coolant pump/high/low/forward/reverse relays. You
do need a phase converter. Take a look at the motor data plate and see
what the HP rating is. You can get by with a cheapy PhaseOmatic
converter or take the time and make your own rotary converter from the
various free plans done by many of the gentlemen on this newsgroup. Id
be happy to donate a 3 phase motor of proper horsepower. I can probably
scrounge you up a cabinet, and other Stuff as well.

Be sure to post some pictures of the old girl now that you have it
cleaned up. Sigh..factory fresh ways, with about ZIP wear anyplace on
that machine.

The lathe is usable as it is right now, but I would like swap out the
turret for a regular engine lathe type cross-slide and add a
tailstock.

Actually, Gunner lined up a place that has exactly the tailstock I
need, but it's $300. My wife and I have a kid due any day now, and I
blew all my fun-money on the lathe. Any one know of a tailstock or
cross-slide for a Logan 6500 series lathe going cheap? Maybe I'll just
have to wait and see if it turns up on ebay...


Im still looking for other sources. Oh..btw..did you ask Greer about
chucks? He had some L0 three jaws for around $50 G

Any ways, I just wanted to say thanks again to Gunner, and thanks
again to everyone else who posts to r.c.metalworking!


It was my pleasure putting you and the lathe together. BTW..the seller
has decided to sell that 15" Clausing, for $2500 OBO, if you know anyone
whom wants it. Sure you cant use that Herbert or the Warner Swasey?
Chuckle..as you saw..they are both tooled up to the max and in good
shape.

Respects and regards

Gunner

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty
is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
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Nice Lathe Jeff,
After you get your 220 wired were you want. Making a phase converter
is as easy or as difficult as you want to make it. I would get a 2-5 hp
used 3 phase motor as my converter.(Gunner can help, know doubt). To make
a simple "pull start converter" hook it up this way. Your lathe has three
wires coming out of that box that you posted pic of. (It's just the magnetic
switches for the forward and reverse and stop buttons) Your phase
converter motor has three wires also. Hook the wire from the lathe to the
motor and run the 220 line wires (two of them) to the out side pair. Put a
appropriate size switch in one of the 220 lines. Now when you throw the
switch your motor should just hum and the shaft will jerk a bit. If you let
it go like that for a couple of seconds you'll blow your breaker. Put a
rope on the shaft and wind it up like the old mowers. Now pull the rope
and spin the motor, after it's spinning for a second throw the switch and LO
and BE Hold the Motor is RUNNING!!!!! Now turn on your lathe and it will be
running on 3 phase. Two things to watch for
1- on your converter motor it will have a diagram on how to wire all of
those wires in the box for 220 or 440, make sure you have it wired for 220.
2- If your lathe spins the wrong direction when you start it. Reverse any
two of the lathe wires to the converter motor's wires.

After you get that running for a while then you can look at making a nifty
push button start. Lots of help on the web, just do a google group search
on 3 phase converter. You find some very helpful info from some pretty
smart fellers.

Jerry



"Jeff P" wrote in message
...
I've been a lurker on this list for a couple of months, and I just
wanted to send out a little tool gloat... the weekend before last I
bought a Logan Lathe for less than the price of a new 9x20 import
lathe, and it's in great condition! I got it for $500. It's the 14"
7500 series, pictured he http://www.lathe.com/catalogs/7500.htm.
Everything runs smooth and is in excellent condition.

It's bigger than I was originally planing on getting, but I'm not
complaining! It was a fair amount of work to get it in the garage,
too. A friend and I put it up on 4x4 "skids" and used a Harbor Freight
come-along to winch it out of a rented trailer. We used stone-age
technology to haul it out, and it worked great.

I bought the lathe from a friend of Gunner's. Gunner set up the deal,
and I want to say thanks, and also to put in a good word! I wouldn't
hesitate to use Gunner to repair any machine tools I had that were
broken, or to buy tools from him. He was helpful and completely
forthright.

There is one other thing, I have a question about and I was hoping
someone would know.... I need to get a 220 outlet set up in the
garage, and I think I'll need a 3-phase converter. I'll have an
electrician put in the 220 outlet, but I'm not sure what to do about
the 3-phase. The lathe has a big electrical panel on the back with a
circuit breaker and some big transformers. I'm not exactly sure what
it's for. Is it a phase converter, or is it jsut part of the lathe?
Does any one have suggestions as to the best way to go? (I have some
pictures, too. Here's one of the inside of the panel:
http://www.geocities.com/webnrrd2k/classic_tan.html).

The lathe is usable as it is right now, but I would like swap out the
turret for a regular engine lathe type cross-slide and add a
tailstock.

Actually, Gunner lined up a place that has exactly the tailstock I
need, but it's $300. My wife and I have a kid due any day now, and I
blew all my fun-money on the lathe. Any one know of a tailstock or
cross-slide for a Logan 6500 series lathe going cheap? Maybe I'll just
have to wait and see if it turns up on ebay...

Any ways, I just wanted to say thanks again to Gunner, and thanks
again to everyone else who posts to r.c.metalworking!



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Be sure to post some pictures of the old girl now that you have it
cleaned up. Sigh..factory fresh ways, with about ZIP wear anyplace on
that machine.


Yes! Bonus points for photos.

I''m going to keep my "Three Fisted Tails of Adventure and Metal Work"
online at: http://www.geocities.com/webnrrd2k/. Tune in on a browser
near you!
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:39:18 -0400, "Derstine"
wrote:

Nice Lathe Jeff,
After you get your 220 wired were you want. Making a phase converter
is as easy or as difficult as you want to make it. I would get a 2-5 hp
used 3 phase motor as my converter.(Gunner can help, know doubt). To make
a simple "pull start converter" hook it up this way. Your lathe has three
wires coming out of that box that you posted pic of. (It's just the magnetic
switches for the forward and reverse and stop buttons) Your phase
converter motor has three wires also. Hook the wire from the lathe to the
motor and run the 220 line wires (two of them) to the out side pair. Put a
appropriate size switch in one of the 220 lines. Now when you throw the
switch your motor should just hum and the shaft will jerk a bit. If you let
it go like that for a couple of seconds you'll blow your breaker. Put a
rope on the shaft and wind it up like the old mowers. Now pull the rope
and spin the motor, after it's spinning for a second throw the switch and LO
and BE Hold the Motor is RUNNING!!!!! Now turn on your lathe and it will be
running on 3 phase. Two things to watch for
1- on your converter motor it will have a diagram on how to wire all of
those wires in the box for 220 or 440, make sure you have it wired for 220.

It looks like it's set for 220, but I'll double check to make sure!

I'll document (online) what I do to get 3-phase 220 working, so it'll
be a tiny bit easier for others next time.

2- If your lathe spins the wrong direction when you start it. Reverse any
two of the lathe wires to the converter motor's wires.

After you get that running for a while then you can look at making a nifty
push button start. Lots of help on the web, just do a google group search
on 3 phase converter. You find some very helpful info from some pretty
smart fellers.

Thanks for the pointer!. Now that I know a little more about what I'm
looking for I found a couple of good resources:
http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/pro...nv/phconv.html
http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/ph-conv/ph-conv.html

http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/ph...converter.html

I'll be sure and read these a couple of times to make sure I
understand what's going on. I had electronics in high school, but
that's was a while ago...

Thanks for your help!



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someone would know.... I need to get a 220 outlet set up in the
garage, and I think I'll need a 3-phase converter. I'll have an
electrician put in the 220 outlet, but I'm not sure what to do about


Jeff, thats just the coolant pump/high/low/forward/reverse relays. You
do need a phase converter. Take a look at the motor data plate and see
what the HP rating is. You can get by with a cheapy PhaseOmatic
converter or take the time and make your own rotary converter from the
various free plans done by many of the gentlemen on this newsgroup. Id
be happy to donate a 3 phase motor of proper horsepower. I can probably
scrounge you up a cabinet, and other Stuff as well.

Wow, thanks again, I'll gratefuly take you up on your offer! The Logan
has a 2hp 3-phase motor. Do you still have my work email? I'll be
happy to send any other info off-list.

Im still looking for other sources. Oh..btw..did you ask Greer about
chucks? He had some L0 three jaws for around $50 G

I ended up buying a nice, almost-new independent 4-jaw from Greer. I
was fooling around with centering some of the bar-stock I got when I
picked up the Logan and I can get the 4-jaw to center to a thou' or
so. Pretty cool! Thanks for the tip! (If anyone's curious, Greer's in
So. Cal., site is at: http://www.greermachinery.com/).

Hey, did you get that Gorton mill ID'd?
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:48:52 -0700, Jeff P wrote:

someone would know.... I need to get a 220 outlet set up in the
garage, and I think I'll need a 3-phase converter. I'll have an
electrician put in the 220 outlet, but I'm not sure what to do about


Jeff, thats just the coolant pump/high/low/forward/reverse relays. You
do need a phase converter. Take a look at the motor data plate and see
what the HP rating is. You can get by with a cheapy PhaseOmatic
converter or take the time and make your own rotary converter from the
various free plans done by many of the gentlemen on this newsgroup. Id
be happy to donate a 3 phase motor of proper horsepower. I can probably
scrounge you up a cabinet, and other Stuff as well.

Wow, thanks again, I'll gratefuly take you up on your offer! The Logan
has a 2hp 3-phase motor. Do you still have my work email? I'll be
happy to send any other info off-list.


My email is good, simply reply or email to this post.

Im still looking for other sources. Oh..btw..did you ask Greer about
chucks? He had some L0 three jaws for around $50 G

I ended up buying a nice, almost-new independent 4-jaw from Greer. I
was fooling around with centering some of the bar-stock I got when I
picked up the Logan and I can get the 4-jaw to center to a thou' or
so. Pretty cool! Thanks for the tip! (If anyone's curious, Greer's in
So. Cal., site is at: http://www.greermachinery.com/).

Hey, did you get that Gorton mill ID'd?


Not yet. Ive been told by an old time Gorton guy, that its a rather
scarce item called a Jig Mill. It has the atributes of both a jig borer
and a small mill.

I worked at Jeffs about 12 hrs Saturday, moving stuff around and got to
the point where I could reach that Jig Mill, and pull it out of that
corner so I could put it on the forklift. Damn that little ******* is
heavy. Its NOT going to come home with me on my little utility trailer.
Im going to have to make arraingements to borrow a heavier duty trailer,
or get somone to haul it up over the mountain for me.

Its going to look really nice next to its big brother, the Gorton 1-22
Mastermill that I rebuilt. Btw..there are two of the Mastermills on ebay
going rather cheaply.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=12 584
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=12 584
This one btw..is in Irwindale. I saw it today and its in pretty good
shape

Now if I could only scrounge up one of these...Id have a triple header
G
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=45 022

Gunner

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On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 00:06:17 GMT, Glen wrote:

On the subject of Logan's. I have run across a little 9 x 18 model #400
Logan. It is in very cherry shape, it appears almost unused. Comes with
2 sets qc gears and a 3 jaw but nothing else. They are asking $500. I
know it's all relative to ones needs but does anyone know what these
Logan's are going for these days?

TIA, Glen G.


Very fair price IMHO.

Gunner

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Yeah,
I think i will jump on it. I have an Atlas/Craftsman 6" but i
have never been that happy with it. It does have a fair amount of
tooling though. The Logan i found only has a 3 jaw and the seller
THINKS he has a collet chuck around somewhere.

Glen G.

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electrician put in the 220 outlet, but I'm not sure what to do about
the 3-phase. The lathe has a big electrical panel on the back with a


On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:39:18 -0400, "Derstine"
wrote:
switches for the forward and reverse and stop buttons) Your phase
converter motor has three wires also. Hook the wire from the lathe to the
motor and run the 220 line wires (two of them) to the out side pair. Put a
appropriate size switch in one of the 220 lines. Now when you throw the


I just bought a 3-phase motor from a nearby shop (Wright Metals, in
Costa Mease, CA) that I'm going to make the phase converter out of.
Derstine, you said it should be hooked up to the out side pair (of the
motor). There are three wires comming out that take 220 power, and one
ground that connects to the outside frame of the motor. I'm not sure
which pair is the out side pair. Does it mater, as long as the two 220
single phase wires are hooked up to two of the three "power" wires
from the motor?

If it's useful, from the motors plate:
Reliance Electric Duty Master A-C
Frame: 1821
Type: P
Ins. Cl: B
HP: 3
RPM: 1730
Volts: 230/460
Amps: 9.2/4.6
Hz: 60
S.F.: 1.5
Design: B
Code: J
Phase: 3
Amb: 40 c
Duty: Cont
Nema Nom: Eff.: 80

It was never used, and I paid $125. I think I paid a little high, but
it was sort of an impulse buy as I want to have a phase converter to
run the Logan.
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