In article ,
lionslair at consolidated dot net "lionslair at consolidated dot net" wrote:
lionslair at consolidated dot net wrote:

DoN. Nichols wrote:

In article ,
lionslair at consolidated dot net "lionslair at consolidated dot
net" wrote:

Gunner wrote:


On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:38:58 GMT,
(TheAlligator) wrote:

[ ... ]

Ooops. It wasn't Monkey that ran off of a diskette, it was
Mini-Linux. I see that I have copies of both, but now I can't
remember much about Monkey. I do remember that with Slackware, I
settled on Joe as my text-editor of choice, much more useable than
that arcane piece of nonsense that was imported from Unix - can't
remember the name of it.

Are you perhaps thinking of "vi"? I remember just enough of it
to edit the configuration file on jove (my own favorite editor)
(Jonathon's Own Version of Emacs -- a subset of emacs which is much less
resource hungry -- though on my current systems, even emacs is fast
enough, and does more.

[ ... ]

I cold wail away with Vi but once I got EMACS - that was nice - periodic
updates - I downloaded my first copy from JPL ftp site. A long time ago.
I like the multiple window and verticle edit ability. Some neat stuff.

[ ... ]

OOPS - didn't get Emacs from JPL - that was PEARL.
But that is an pearl of a different question.

O.K. Perl was originated by the same fellow who wrote the
newsreader trn -- Larry Wall. Back in the early days, in the man pages,
near the front, he stated "PERL stands for "Practical Extraction and
Report Language". However, near the end, in the "BUGS" section (which
used to be a standard part of all unix man pages), "Don't tell anyone,
but PERL *really* stands for "Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister".
He took features of every language which he had used and rolled them all
together into perl, making it possible for people to write almost
reasonable programs in it based on what they knew of other languages. I
remember one of the users who had taken a perl script and tried to make
it do what she wanted (without noticing that it was in perl), had
written using AWK syntax -- and it *almost* worked. :-)

It was first released in comp.unix.sources quite some time ago.

Emacs, IIRC, was written by RMS (Richard M Stallman) -- and the
name comes from "Editor MACros", as it was first implemented as a set of
macros for a different editor -- before it split off on its own.

Jove is a nice subset of emacs, with no built-in Lisp
interpreter, and limited (unless you re-compile after editing the
source) to line no longer than 2048 bytes long. Emacs will edit
*anything*, including binary files, and (if you have the proper
privileges) even edit a raw directory to clean up bad characters in
filenames -- such as '/' embedded in filenames by a Mac using a NFS
filesystem from a unix server. (The only other *totally* illegal
character in a filename is a null -- though there are some which can be
quite inconvenient. :-)

And -- jove is close enough to emacs in the command set so
switching back and forth is fairly painless.

I'm not sure what joe is like as an editor.

Enjoy,
DoN.
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DoN. Nichols wrote:
In article ,
lionslair at consolidated dot net "lionslair at consolidated dot net" wrote:

lionslair at consolidated dot net wrote:


DoN. Nichols wrote:


In article ,
lionslair at consolidated dot net "lionslair at consolidated dot
net" wrote:


Gunner wrote:



On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:38:58 GMT,
(TheAlligator) wrote:


[ ... ]


Ooops. It wasn't Monkey that ran off of a diskette, it was
Mini-Linux. I see that I have copies of both, but now I can't
remember much about Monkey. I do remember that with Slackware, I
settled on Joe as my text-editor of choice, much more useable than
that arcane piece of nonsense that was imported from Unix - can't
remember the name of it.


Are you perhaps thinking of "vi"? I remember just enough of it
to edit the configuration file on jove (my own favorite editor)
(Jonathon's Own Version of Emacs -- a subset of emacs which is much less
resource hungry -- though on my current systems, even emacs is fast
enough, and does more.


[ ... ]


I cold wail away with Vi but once I got EMACS - that was nice - periodic
updates - I downloaded my first copy from JPL ftp site. A long time ago.
I like the multiple window and verticle edit ability. Some neat stuff.


[ ... ]


OOPS - didn't get Emacs from JPL - that was PEARL.
But that is an pearl of a different question.


O.K. Perl was originated by the same fellow who wrote the
newsreader trn -- Larry Wall. Back in the early days, in the man pages,
near the front, he stated "PERL stands for "Practical Extraction and
Report Language". However, near the end, in the "BUGS" section (which
used to be a standard part of all unix man pages), "Don't tell anyone,
but PERL *really* stands for "Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister".
He took features of every language which he had used and rolled them all
together into perl, making it possible for people to write almost
reasonable programs in it based on what they knew of other languages. I
remember one of the users who had taken a perl script and tried to make
it do what she wanted (without noticing that it was in perl), had
written using AWK syntax -- and it *almost* worked. :-)

It was first released in comp.unix.sources quite some time ago.

Emacs, IIRC, was written by RMS (Richard M Stallman) -- and the
name comes from "Editor MACros", as it was first implemented as a set of
macros for a different editor -- before it split off on its own.

Jove is a nice subset of emacs, with no built-in Lisp
interpreter, and limited (unless you re-compile after editing the
source) to line no longer than 2048 bytes long. Emacs will edit
*anything*, including binary files, and (if you have the proper
privileges) even edit a raw directory to clean up bad characters in
filenames -- such as '/' embedded in filenames by a Mac using a NFS
filesystem from a unix server. (The only other *totally* illegal
character in a filename is a null -- though there are some which can be
quite inconvenient. :-)

And -- jove is close enough to emacs in the command set so
switching back and forth is fairly painless.

I'm not sure what joe is like as an editor.

Enjoy,
DoN.
Cool -

I noticed in the back of my Perl manual (an early one - nutshell) Larry Wall was at the
time a programmer at the JPL. He authored rn and 'patch' and perl. metaconfig that writes
config files as well. The last time I heard of Wall, he had just been sued by INTEL
as he was a consultant to them on scripts and the internet - he showed the IT group how
open their network was and got in hack several times. Then he flat broke in from the outside
and showed them what was possible. He found out what would be done... Oh - I have a 'first printing' :-)
My March 1987 Emacs - a sixth edition, version 18... GNU Emacs - Written in C and has a Lisp Interpreter.
Like the LIFE 'game' that is bundled. I have emacs for windows - other computer now. It was in a
download support site for Emacs and was still active a few years ago.

Martin

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Martin Eastburn wrote:
....
I noticed in the back of my Perl manual (an early one - nutshell)
Larry Wall was at the time a programmer at the JPL. He authored
rn and 'patch' and perl. metaconfig that writes config files
as well. The last time I heard of Wall, he had just been sued
by INTEL as he was a consultant to them on scripts and the
internet - he showed the IT group how open their network was
and got in hack several times. Then he flat broke in from
the outside and showed them what was possible.
....
Wrong. Randal Schwartz (not Wall) was convicted of felonies at
Intel. Schwartz was co-author with Wall on the first edition of
"Programming perl". He is not a co-author on current edition.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pperl/
http://www.answers.com/topic/randal-l-schwartz
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pperl3/
-jiw

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:07:33 +0000, Gunner wrote:


Which one is best, with the simplest learning curve, best hardware
detection ans so forth?

Difficult question to answer, especially in a metalworking newsgroup,
because different distros offer different capabilities, or strong points
and weak points. Most people haven't tried all of the distros available
so they can only offer you opinions about the ones they use. This always
leads to arguments about which is "best."

You'd do better to read a site like http://distrowatch.com/ which has
reviews on a number of different Linux distros with comparisons.

James Waldby wrote:

Martin Eastburn wrote:
...

I noticed in the back of my Perl manual (an early one - nutshell)
Larry Wall was at the time a programmer at the JPL. He authored
rn and 'patch' and perl. metaconfig that writes config files
as well. The last time I heard of Wall, he had just been sued
by INTEL as he was a consultant to them on scripts and the
internet - he showed the IT group how open their network was
and got in hack several times. Then he flat broke in from
the outside and showed them what was possible.

...
Wrong. Randal Schwartz (not Wall) was convicted of felonies at
Intel. Schwartz was co-author with Wall on the first edition of
"Programming perl". He is not a co-author on current edition.
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pperl/
http://www.answers.com/topic/randal-l-schwartz
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pperl3/
-jiw
Thanks for the correction - I seem to recall that now. Now I'm surprised
he was working with Intel. He wasn't a programmer of sorts - but an operator of sorts.
Quote: "Randal L. Schwarz is an eclectic tradesman and entrepreneur, making his
living through software design, technical writing, system administration,
security consultation and video production."
I suppose he could program and use computers from some of the jobs he held.

Martin

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