First of all, I'd like to ask if Goodman is a top tier brand (as good as
Carrier, et al).

Here's why I'm asking this: I received a letter from my local Heating/
CentralAC contractor, with whom I have a service contract and already have
done business with. The letter said that this is the slow season for them,
and that since they have some quality 2004 Central AC systems, and 2004
furnaces, in inventory which they obtained at low prices (and these are
fully warranteed units, and not factory seconds or blems) they are making a
special offer. They say they have around 72 complete systems in the four
most popular sizes, so this is a limited offer.

Basically the deal is supposed to be that if I have one of the new AC units
installed in March at a normal price (including installation), then they
will "throw in" a brand new furnace at only $999 installed. My
understanding is that the total cost for the entire system would be
somewhere between $4500 and $6000 for the complete system depending on their
determination of the sizes for the new furnace and new AC units. My
understanding is that my total savings will by $1800 or more depending on
the size of the newly installed units.

I'm located in northern NJ, and currently my townhouse has a 17 year old
system with a 17 year old Carrier Furnace and a 17 year old Carrier central
AC system (condensor, evaporator coils, etc.).

This offer is intended for homeowners who have 15 yr. old or older systems.
They project that those who accept the offer will likely have heating bills
and cooling bills that are 30 or 40% lower and have some sort of guarantee
that if the heating bills and cooling bills are not 20% lower they will
"double my savings" if it is less than 20%. (not sure what they would do if
by some fluke my bills were higher rather than lower after the new
installation though).

Anyway, they say they would be happy to have a specialist come over and work
out the exact numbers, projected savings, etc. for me at no obligation.
They don't want to work based on the sizes of my existing units, and prefer
to take their own measurements.

Again, they say I'm under now obligation if they send someone over, but my
time is valuable. Is this worth pursuing? Would I be better off replacing
only when necessary? Is Goodman a quality top tier brand, or not? If not,
then what other brands do you recommend.

Thanks,

Jay

"jay" wrote in message
news:IUaVd.48799$W16.14242@trndny07...
First of all, I'd like to ask if Goodman is a top tier brand (as good as
Carrier, et al).

My understanding is that the total cost for the entire system would be
somewhere between $4500 and $6000 for the complete system depending on
their determination of the sizes for the new furnace and new AC units.

First, Goodman is bottom of the barrel.
Second, $4500-$6000 to install a furnace and AC seems like no big deal to
me! We often install furnace & AC for less than $4000! Price does have many
variables though, quality and efficiency of the equipment, labor rates in
your area for example.
If you are serious, get some quotes from other companies. this seems like
they are trying to "sell" you a new system, at regular price or more!!
Greg

THIS GUY CAN'T BE REAL

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"jay" wrote in message
news:IUaVd.48799$W16.14242@trndny07...
First of all, I'd like to ask if Goodman is a top tier brand (as good as
Carrier, et al).

Here's why I'm asking this: I received a letter from my local Heating/
CentralAC contractor, with whom I have a service contract and already have
done business with. The letter said that this is the slow season for
them,
and that since they have some quality 2004 Central AC systems, and 2004
furnaces, in inventory which they obtained at low prices (and these are
fully warranteed units, and not factory seconds or blems) they are making
a
special offer. They say they have around 72 complete systems in the four
most popular sizes, so this is a limited offer.

Basically the deal is supposed to be that if I have one of the new AC
units
installed in March at a normal price (including installation), then they
will "throw in" a brand new furnace at only $999 installed. My
understanding is that the total cost for the entire system would be
somewhere between $4500 and $6000 for the complete system depending on
their
determination of the sizes for the new furnace and new AC units. My
understanding is that my total savings will by $1800 or more depending on
the size of the newly installed units.

I'm located in northern NJ, and currently my townhouse has a 17 year old
system with a 17 year old Carrier Furnace and a 17 year old Carrier
central
AC system (condensor, evaporator coils, etc.).

This offer is intended for homeowners who have 15 yr. old or older
systems.
They project that those who accept the offer will likely have heating
bills
and cooling bills that are 30 or 40% lower and have some sort of guarantee
that if the heating bills and cooling bills are not 20% lower they will
"double my savings" if it is less than 20%. (not sure what they would do
if
by some fluke my bills were higher rather than lower after the new
installation though).

Anyway, they say they would be happy to have a specialist come over and
work
out the exact numbers, projected savings, etc. for me at no obligation.
They don't want to work based on the sizes of my existing units, and
prefer
to take their own measurements.

Again, they say I'm under now obligation if they send someone over, but my
time is valuable. Is this worth pursuing? Would I be better off
replacing
only when necessary? Is Goodman a quality top tier brand, or not? If
not,
then what other brands do you recommend.

Thanks,

Jay

I'm not making this up...I really did receive such a letter today regarding
the special offer on a furnace/ac installation.

Jay

THIS GUY CAN'T BE REAL

goodman is crap. most internal comps are made in china. avoid or get burnt
"jay" wrote in message
news:s9cVd.53322$sR5.42815@trndny05...
I'm not making this up...I really did receive such a letter today
regarding
the special offer on a furnace/ac installation.

Jay

THIS GUY CAN'T BE REAL

Here's a link that may help you.

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=1

Tom



"jay" wrote in message
news:IUaVd.48799$W16.14242@trndny07...
First of all, I'd like to ask if Goodman is a top tier brand (as good as
Carrier, et al).

Here's why I'm asking this: I received a letter from my local Heating/
CentralAC contractor, with whom I have a service contract and already have
done business with. The letter said that this is the slow season for
them, and that since they have some quality 2004 Central AC systems, and
2004 furnaces, in inventory which they obtained at low prices (and these
are fully warranteed units, and not factory seconds or blems) they are
making a special offer. They say they have around 72 complete systems in
the four most popular sizes, so this is a limited offer.

Basically the deal is supposed to be that if I have one of the new AC
units installed in March at a normal price (including installation), then
they will "throw in" a brand new furnace at only $999 installed. My
understanding is that the total cost for the entire system would be
somewhere between $4500 and $6000 for the complete system depending on
their determination of the sizes for the new furnace and new AC units.
My understanding is that my total savings will by $1800 or more depending
on the size of the newly installed units.

I'm located in northern NJ, and currently my townhouse has a 17 year old
system with a 17 year old Carrier Furnace and a 17 year old Carrier
central AC system (condensor, evaporator coils, etc.).

This offer is intended for homeowners who have 15 yr. old or older
systems. They project that those who accept the offer will likely have
heating bills and cooling bills that are 30 or 40% lower and have some
sort of guarantee that if the heating bills and cooling bills are not 20%
lower they will "double my savings" if it is less than 20%. (not sure
what they would do if by some fluke my bills were higher rather than lower
after the new installation though).

Anyway, they say they would be happy to have a specialist come over and
work out the exact numbers, projected savings, etc. for me at no
obligation. They don't want to work based on the sizes of my existing
units, and prefer to take their own measurements.

Again, they say I'm under now obligation if they send someone over, but my
time is valuable. Is this worth pursuing? Would I be better off
replacing only when necessary? Is Goodman a quality top tier brand, or
not? If not, then what other brands do you recommend.

Thanks,

Jay

2-05 Consumer Reports just completed a 6-? yr study polling 60000? about
their furnace reliability issues. Goodman came in a solid Last place.

Email me I will send you the article

Jay,
You are just too funny. Now I know the kind of nit-wit that falls for
that crap. Would that letter happen to have been put out by a Service
Experts company? Would you like me to send you the copy of one I have
from them?
Bottom line, get several estimates and dont fall for all that savings
crap on the equipment and your utility bill unless they give you the
savings in writing and guarantee to pay you any amount they
overstated.
Bubba

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 04:01:44 GMT, "jay" wrote:

First of all, I'd like to ask if Goodman is a top tier brand (as good as
Carrier, et al).

Here's why I'm asking this: I received a letter from my local Heating/
CentralAC contractor, with whom I have a service contract and already have
done business with. The letter said that this is the slow season for them,
and that since they have some quality 2004 Central AC systems, and 2004
furnaces, in inventory which they obtained at low prices (and these are
fully warranteed units, and not factory seconds or blems) they are making a
special offer. They say they have around 72 complete systems in the four
most popular sizes, so this is a limited offer.

Basically the deal is supposed to be that if I have one of the new AC units
installed in March at a normal price (including installation), then they
will "throw in" a brand new furnace at only $999 installed. My
understanding is that the total cost for the entire system would be
somewhere between $4500 and $6000 for the complete system depending on their
determination of the sizes for the new furnace and new AC units. My
understanding is that my total savings will by $1800 or more depending on
the size of the newly installed units.

I'm located in northern NJ, and currently my townhouse has a 17 year old
system with a 17 year old Carrier Furnace and a 17 year old Carrier central
AC system (condensor, evaporator coils, etc.).

This offer is intended for homeowners who have 15 yr. old or older systems.
They project that those who accept the offer will likely have heating bills
and cooling bills that are 30 or 40% lower and have some sort of guarantee
that if the heating bills and cooling bills are not 20% lower they will
"double my savings" if it is less than 20%. (not sure what they would do if
by some fluke my bills were higher rather than lower after the new
installation though).

Anyway, they say they would be happy to have a specialist come over and work
out the exact numbers, projected savings, etc. for me at no obligation.
They don't want to work based on the sizes of my existing units, and prefer
to take their own measurements.

Again, they say I'm under now obligation if they send someone over, but my
time is valuable. Is this worth pursuing? Would I be better off replacing
only when necessary? Is Goodman a quality top tier brand, or not? If not,
then what other brands do you recommend.

Thanks,

Jay

There are outfits here (San Antonio) that have run ads that are almost
the same word for word as what you have, though not always selling
Goodman equipment. Pure BS. Goodman's marketing strategy is to be the
lowest cost equipment available. It is the equipment of choice for all
the unliscenced/fly-by-night/ incompetant etc. installers, which is one
of the main reasons for the bad reputation the units have. I have seen
the CR article, but it was some time back, and don,t remember all the
details. I do remember that Rheem and Ruud scored differently--
absolutely identical units (think Chevy/GMC). Installation is the most
important factor. The best unit made is junk if not properly installed.
A properly installed Goodman will usually give satisfactory service.
There are actually units on the market that I would choose Goodman over,
but that is just my opinion. I especially get a kick out of the part of
that ad that guarantees the utility savings. Even bigger BS. If you
trade your car in on a new one, does the dealer guarantee what your fuel
mileage/savings will be? The only bigger bunch of crap I have ever seen
was an ad here some years back which said that the local VoTech schools
were in dire need of old HVAC equipment for their students to get hands
on experience with, and that this company was going to do it's civic
duty to remedy the situation by allowing $400 trade-in allowance for old
units, regardless of condition, and donating them to the local schools
so the poor students wouldn't have to sit around twiddling their thumbs.
As a general rule:: hang up on telemarketers, discard all spam, toss
all such junk mail where it belongs. My $.02 Larry

jay wrote:

....

...The letter said that this is the slow season for them,
and that ... this is a limited offer.

....

And one of the siding places on our local TV is running an ad saying
they're trying to protect their fine craftsman and their families during
the winter and so they need you to do your residing project now...(of
course, the ad says they're going to pay them full-time whether you
"help" or not)...

Goodman is ok, they had made some pretty bad equip in
the past, but newer one is ok.

You need to know BTU of your existing system to compare

Goodman GMS8/GDS8 ~$500 (80% SS/MS).
Goodman GMS9/GCS9 ~$700 (93% SS/MS)
Goodman GMV9/GCV9 ~$1100 (93% TS/VS)

I bet they are offering GMS8s or at most 9s. Think of that
as $500 - 700 discount on $4500 install. Not bad
but not sooo hot either.

Find good trusted installer.... Mention 4500 offer.

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:19:28 -0600, (m Ransley)
wrote:

2-05 Consumer Reports just completed a 6-? yr study polling 60000? about
their furnace reliability issues. Goodman came in a solid Last place.

Email me I will send you the article


Why not post a link up to it here?

later,

tom @ www.ChopURL.com

jay posted for all of us....

First of all, I'd like to ask if Goodman is a top tier brand (as good as
Carrier, et al).

Here's why I'm asking this: I received a letter from my local Heating/
CentralAC contractor, with whom I have a service contract and already have
done business with. The letter said that this is the slow season for them,
and that since they have some quality 2004 Central AC systems, and 2004
furnaces, in inventory which they obtained at low prices (and these are
fully warranteed units, and not factory seconds or blems) they are making a
special offer. They say they have around 72 complete systems in the four
most popular sizes, so this is a limited offer.

Basically the deal is supposed to be that if I have one of the new AC units
installed in March at a normal price (including installation), then they
will "throw in" a brand new furnace at only $999 installed. My
understanding is that the total cost for the entire system would be
somewhere between $4500 and $6000 for the complete system depending on their
determination of the sizes for the new furnace and new AC units. My
understanding is that my total savings will by $1800 or more depending on
the size of the newly installed units.

I'm located in northern NJ, and currently my townhouse has a 17 year old
system with a 17 year old Carrier Furnace and a 17 year old Carrier central
AC system (condensor, evaporator coils, etc.).

This offer is intended for homeowners who have 15 yr. old or older systems.
They project that those who accept the offer will likely have heating bills
and cooling bills that are 30 or 40% lower and have some sort of guarantee
that if the heating bills and cooling bills are not 20% lower they will
"double my savings" if it is less than 20%. (not sure what they would do if
by some fluke my bills were higher rather than lower after the new
installation though).

Anyway, they say they would be happy to have a specialist come over and work
out the exact numbers, projected savings, etc. for me at no obligation.
They don't want to work based on the sizes of my existing units, and prefer
to take their own measurements.

Again, they say I'm under now obligation if they send someone over, but my
time is valuable. Is this worth pursuing? Would I be better off replacing
only when necessary? Is Goodman a quality top tier brand, or not? If not,
then what other brands do you recommend.

Thanks,

Jay



Hey Jay, rhymes nicely... I can almost picture the ad you received and have
seen it here in PA. They must sell that ad thru a trade publication or
service... anyway do a Google search this question has been discussed SO
MANY times.
--
Tekkie